PlayingCardForum.com - A Discourse For Playing Cards
Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: CBJ on February 17, 2012, 04:48:01 PM
-
This deck will be on Kickstarter tomorrow!
From UC:
"A new Bicycle Spectrum deck is in the works. This is a true rainbow deck, in that the 808 Rider backs are printed in a full color spectrum, one unique color per card! When the cards are spread, a beautiful color rainbow spectrum appears before your eyes. The box is pure eye candy.
I have no vested interest in this other than as a collector who had heard about this fantastic deck. It is truly unique, and not only is it collectable; it also has a number of clever magic applications.
The designer is putting it out through the Kickstarter site. However, I have heard that its production is not dependent on Kickstarter funding. That is, the designer has already placed a paid order with the USPC Co., meaning that the decks will definitely be available within the next couple months to Kickstarter backers.
Here’s a copy/paste link to a cool video preview put out by the designer:
http://www.tricksite.com/spectrum/launchtemp.html (http://www.tricksite.com/spectrum/launchtemp.html) "
CBJ
{ Click for larger pics }
-
I like the uncut of this deck. Not sure about the tuckbox.
-
Okay I love. This very much. Shahs I hoe they make more than a 1 k run of this. I'm sick and tired of limited number f decks
-
This is definitely one of the best multicolored/rainbow decks I've seen!! I really like the uncut and the cards looks really nice. Overall this is really cool, I'll be sure to back for a couple of these!! It's nice that the wait won't be too long either. Thanks for the info CBJ!!
-
I don't like the box either.
But the deck is cool. I would get 2 or 3...
These would be cool as gaff cards for a regular rider back deck and would make for some cool color changes!
Are the fronts of the cards different colors?
-
I don't like the box either.
But the deck is cool. I would get 2 or 3...
These would be cool as gaff cards for a regular rider back deck and would make for some cool color changes!
Are the fronts of the cards different colors?
That's a good question. It'll be cool if all the fronts were different colors, but that would probably get too confusing. So I bet it's standard. It's says by the uncut "exclusive kickstarter poster" so is it not an uncut? There's a huge difference between a poster and an uncut :-\
-
yeah I just noticed that...
I hope it's an uncut, and not a poster.
Maybe they'll offer both.
CBJ
-
Yeah, I agree with you guys. I don't like the tuckbox, but I love the idea of all the backs being different colours. No doubt I'll pledge for at least one copy of this deck.
-
This would look amazing in Flourishes! I really like this.
-
So just found out these are Bicycle stock with Magic Finish. I know many people were probably wondering and I just found out so I thought I would share it with you all. I don't really care too much but many magicians and flourishers do, so I thought you would all like to know.
-
And as a deck on its own, you shuffle it once and you got a nice big mess on your hands, which would be annoying. Looks cool in proper order and each card could be used in effects of various kinds. I'm guessing that with them not showing the faces at all, they are probably standard. Since my 4 year old daughter is always bugging me for "rainbow cards" I guess I'll have to pick one up. :)
-
These are looking tasty :0
-
I should get some few of these too.
For a color changing deck routine.
-
I'm sure some of the brilliant minds on here could come up with some sweet uses for this deck!!
The cards look awesome from what I've seen and I'm really looking forward to this unique deck.
-
Not really good for playing poker... But nice to add to the collection... Don't usually critique, but the spade on the box should have been kept closer to the original... count me in...
-
i will get some too! cosmo solano usually puts out great magic stuff!
so this wont be a letdown!
-
Not really good for playing poker... But nice to add to the collection... Don't usually critique, but the spade on the box should have been kept closer to the original... count me in...
I hear there will be two Ace of Spades in the deck. One like the one pictured on the front of the box and one classic riderback AoS with a random design.
Just talked with Coz and he said it was cool if I shared the pictures, so here ya go!
(http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f6293510%5fAJR8v9EAAX8%2fTz8HPw4RBTt91Us&pid=2.2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailNeo)
(http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f6293510%5fAJR8v9EAAX8%2fTz8HPw4RBTt91Us&pid=2.3&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailNeo)
(http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f6293510%5fAJR8v9EAAX8%2fTz8HPw4RBTt91Us&pid=2.4&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailNeo)
I know I'm really loving the look of the deck! What do you all think?
-
Hey all, I was surprised to see this thread pop up so quickly!
I won't be butting in much here, but I thought I'd answer a question that seems to have come up often already...
The pics above, (someone snagged from the video's I guess?) show the POSTER, NOT the uncut sheet.
I made the poster for myself and several people wanted one (not even card people) so I decided on making some posters.
YES there will be uncut sheets!
And they are laid out pretty much the same so they look pretty cool (imho).
Funny about the box! The biggest and most compliments I've gotten so far are for the box, from the folks who've seen it and the art dept at USPCC went out of their way to tell me that it's one of their faves!
It's great info to hear what you all think! SERIOUS food for thought!!!
No worries! It's good feedback! The ball's already rolling at USPCC but I still have time to adjust if I find it's necessary.
By the way, I hand made a deck similar to this over 10 years ago, they weren't a nice spectrum, and the mish-mash of colors (should you mix them etc) actually looks very cool too.
Well I'm tempted to talk more about the fine tuning I've done over the past couple of months, regarding deck order etc, but I'll leave it til the launch.
I'm very excited about this I've been wanting to do this for soooooo long! So forgive me if I toot my horn a little loud!
Thanks for discussing it no matter what!
What a cool forum, thanks brown bags for telling me about it.
Coz
-
Oh sorry, one more thing...
The deck comes with a standard Ace too, except that the spade is "spectrum" colored. The back of it fits the spectrum right where the traditional bike blue would go so you can replace it with an AS from any blue deck and it works perfectly. Again those details and more will be discussed/revealed in the details after the launch.
-
It's great to hear from the designer, what time will kickstarter be up?
-
I know I'm really loving the look of the deck! What do you all think?
Me too, but I already posted what I thought on UC and feel tired to copy them. :-[ :-[
Anyway I will get 1 or 2 :P
-
I can't wait until' the release. I'll get some only if the price is under $8.
-
sorry, not sure about the time... unfortunately there's a snag in the final steps to get the amazon account set up (I'll spare you the details) I had to fax things and instead of insant I am awaiting the verification which is being done manually. I have a work around but it could take up half the day tomorrow... then back to the computer to reset it up with amazon... I'll try and keep you posted.
-
Is there anything done to the faces? Or is it just standard?
-
Is there any gaff card? a double backer with different colors?
-
NOOOO!!! Anglo had the same concept with their cards.. now I've to get this too!!!
Here's the link: [size=78%]http://playingcards.wikidot.com/others:anglo (http://playingcards.wikidot.com/others:anglo)[/size]
-
NOOOO!!! Anglo had the same concept with their cards.. now I've to get this too!!!
Here's the link: [size=78%]http://playingcards.wikidot.com/others:anglo (http://playingcards.wikidot.com/others:anglo)[/size]
The Anglo version isn't exactly the same - they go into the gray spectrum as well, shades between white and black.
I could have fun figuring out a gag with this and a deck of black Bikes. I'd buy two, I guess, depending on the price.
-
Don brings up an important thing.... whats the price?
-
They look cool but they arn`t really something I would pick up. I have other rainbow decks and personally I just find them useless.
-
The SPECTRUM deck is based on a deck I designed (well created and made) a little over 10 years ago. I made the deck on an inkjet printer, to go with a rainbow deck routine I had created and was a staple in my act. Actually made three of them! Anyway... the whole point of this deck isn't just the rainbow idea, but that it matches the most common deck in the world, Bicycle. This fact alone gives it serious real world use built in, super easy to ring in a real deck since you can't throw a rock without hitting a place you can pick up a bike deck. I used to do the routine with borrowed cards when at someone's home! In all my searches it's odd that I never ran across the Anglo cards, (very nice BTW!) in fact I've had nightmares over the past decade that someone would do this!
I actually would have done this deck years ago if I wanted to come up with an original design (and I did) but without the Bicycle backs I wasn't interested.
So I read somewhere (sorry lots going on here, head's a little foggy) that the SPECTRUM deck isn't anything new, the Bicycle design is the WHOLE point. I'm extremely lucky and blessed that this idea stayed in my head for this long and didn't leak out and sneak into someone else's brain! When I started searching I honestly was prepared to be devastated and find a rainbow, Bicycle deck. Not trying to compete with Anglo, just clarifying my motives in this release and the most important quality, Bicycle backs. I'm awfully proud to become a part of the Bicycle legacy!
Is there any gaff card? a double backer with different colors?
Yes, a gaff, double backer, blue on one side, rainbow on the other, I went round and round with the jokers and other gaff ideas trying to make the most of the gaff card(s). After a ridiculous amount of thought and indecision, I settled on this double backer, due to the creation of a new, strong and easy to do rainbow deck routine. The rainbow double backer fits perfectly in the routine. I created the routine this morning and love it! Sent the artwork to USPCC this afternoon.
Also the extra Bicycle Ace of Spades with some new touches for added "bonus" effect. So the deck has the Spectrum Ace of Spades and the Bike Ace.
The faces match those of Bicycle decks, so that it can be used with regular bicycle cards of course. (Deck switches etc)
Now that the work on the deck is done, I'll be putting the DVD together, which will be available also as a less expensive, private website for members only.
The website allows for me to add new ideas should they creep in!
Hey if anyone has any ideas, requests etc for this deck there's still a few days (esp. this weekend) for me to make changes. Any ideas that would make the deck even more usable for you will be entertained! No promises, but I'm all ears!
Thanks everyone for such nice support so early on!
Just days away from the proofs from USPCC! Woo Hoo!
"Ya see Timmy, dreams can come true!"
Coz
-
Is there any gaff card? a double backer with different colors?
Yes, a gaff, double backer, blue on one side, rainbow on the other, I went round and round with the jokers and other gaff ideas trying to make the most of the gaff card(s). After a ridiculous amount of thought and indecision, I settled on this double backer, due to the creation of a new, strong and easy to do rainbow deck routine. The rainbow double backer fits perfectly in the routine. I created the routine this morning and love it! Sent the artwork to USPCC this afternoon.
Glad to hear this, the double backer is exactly what I want. Hope we are not thinking about the same trick (so that we may have 2 different tricks). Will your tricks come along with the deck, or they will be sold separately?
-
Glad to hear this, the double backer is exactly what I want. Hope we are not thinking about the same trick (so that we may have 2 different tricks). Will your tricks come along with the deck, or they will be sold separately?
Separately, but as you'll see there'll be a special price on kickstarter (really low) for access to the private web site, just to say thanks! I know not everyone who buys cards are magicians, so the routines are just for those who want them.
The Private web site will have all the same videos the DVD will, but will grow as ideas and routines come. A forum too just for deck switch/rainbow deck related discussion.
Love to hear your idea! I'll be trying to shoot live performance video of the routine as soon as I can, but with my schedule it might be a while... of course I'll have it for the DVD etc.
I was going to just put a double backer with some really odd color, but the rainbow of colors on the back is way better.
-
Rainbow back is good, originally I thought of a white or black back. You know, the color should not resemble any of the 52 cards, it have to be outstanding among them. :)
EDIT: if your rainbow back is not special enough, I will use a marker pen to paint it black. hahaha :P
_
-
Looks like a nice deck for magic and all that, but as a flourisher I can say it's definitely not the first thing I thought of. :P I'm sure everyone will find a use for those, with the obvious exception of poker players.
-
....
** duplicate post **
** SORRY. I clicked the wrong button **
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Qmyil4-ylKY/Tui_8xA2c5I/AAAAAAAADH4/WPNo0Cuy2M0/s500/15.jpg)
-
I'm actually curious to see how the Spectrum deck would look with all of those Dan and Dave type flourishes... I do just a little of my own but right now my prototype deck (used in the video) really doesn't handle well, and the decks I made ten years ago which do handle well aren't a full spectrum of colors.
@ digipunk, funny one of the first designs had a black card and a reverse/white card as the gaffs...
-
Has the kickstarter launched yet?
-
So I can't resist but get one deck so I can see what it looks like when you do Under Pressure with the backs. *drools*
-
hey all! Okay so ironed out the problem with Amazon Payments, essentially it locked me out and I had to fax stuff and everything that should have been instantaneous could have taken a week! I followed every little instruction from them and it was fixed this morning. Whew!
I'm just going over the kickstarter page right now to make final corrections etc. any minute now... okay any hour now is more fair.
I'm dying to get feedback about the box, after so many accolades on the box to see some on here not pleased with it I'd love to hear some constructive criticism!
-
I think the box is just a little too plain. Try adding something to the spade and some more designs to the box
Its not bad at all. It just could be better
-
The thing that got me was that a colourful deck should have a colourful box, I think instead of a black background have a white one? And then the rainbow stuff :)
-
Yeah I think the only thing I would say about the box is that it is such a harsh contrast to the cards. The cards are lively and bright and the box is dark. I think maybe making it a white box would do a world of good for it!! Just a suggestion.
Can't wait for this to go live!
-
Seems like a very obvious gimmicky deck that tkaes no time to design. Hmm... $4 value, won't pay more.
-
Relax, Kanped, we don't even know what the price will be.
No Kickstarter yet? Cosmo, I trust you'll keep us posted...
-
Seems like a very obvious gimmicky deck that tkaes no time to design. Hmm... $4 value, won't pay more.
we haven't seen the faces yet. And its not always about design... Its also about the idea behind it.
-
Well seeing as he's been keeping us updated, so I wouldn't expect him to stop now haha. That wouldn't do much to promote his project :P
-
Thanks addictz, to each his own! I'm sure to some it is about the design, and that's okay!
Thanks everyone for the suggestions on the box... will kick it around, I've got a couple of day and I am pretty fast when it comes to designing this stuff.
I posted (I thought I did) that the launch was happening any minute just a few minutes ago, and looking at it the post isn't there?
has this sight been weird for anyone else? I couldn't get on it all day til just a bit ago.
One more thing, the faces have to match bike decks for those who wish to do a routine.
I'm not for a minute expecting this to compete with an artist's custom creation, the design IS the rainbow in bikes.
any minute now... I'll post a direct link.
Coz
-
LAUNCHING IN 5...
-
4...
3...
2...
1!
-
I love the black background on the box and the way it looks like all the colours of the light spectrum are shining through the box design.
-
Can we have the link please
-
This deck is almost a magic deck... $4 is too cheap, I mean the bicycle rainbow deck? With all the different backs is so much more :L
-
dangit! THE kickstarter page hung! okay one more sec!!! LOL
-
BOOM! it's launched! woooo hooo! Sorry I'm pretty excited!
here's the link!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1790617455/the-spectrum-deck
thanks all!
Coz
-
Video is reuploading... but all looks good!
-
I was so excited about this deck but I don't think I can pledge $15 just now :/ I may later on though :)
-
Awesome! That joker is so sick! I love it! I just shared it all over Facebook. Good luck with it!
-
I'm from Canada and will not be pledging.
$15 for one deck is insane. The Brimstones and Americanas were $5 (shipping incl to Canada) when they launched.
And I really wanted an uncut, but I will not spend $55 for it.
Man, I'm just frustrated by all these people selling a deck that costs less than $4 to make for $10+ dollars
How can Russel from CircleCityCards do it, and you guys can't. PLease explain!
(stepping down from his soap box)
CBJ
-
Gotta agree with CBJ here, I mean I love this deck and want it, but $15 to the uk? I just cant do that right now. I appreciate the effort gone in and everything but too steep. Sorry.
-
Why do you think its $15? It's not, I'm on my phone very difficult to post , sorry
-
Why do you think its $15? It's not, I'm on my phone very difficult to post , sorry
1 deck is $10 and international shipping is $5
Thats $15
-
$10 a deck, $5 shipping...
-
and we all know ... the uncut cost the same as the deck.. or less.
so to price it at $45 is nuts.
I'm getting sick of the kickstarter decks.
And I'm curious.. I thought USPS had 1 price shipping.. it it fits, it ships.
1 deck = $5 shipping
2 decks = $7 shipping
3 decks = $8 shipping
6 decks = $10 shipping
Is this accurate?? If so, how the hell did Russel do it for $5 all in?
CBJ
-
Wow, too difficult to post from my phone I will answer everyone's questions later
-
I thought uncuts cost $15 dollars from USPCC
-
Two sources have said different things to me:
1. The USPCC ask you how many you want left uncut when they start printing... Meaning they would be the same cost as a normal deck.
2. Uncut sheets cost $5 each (not that far off a normal deck cost)
$45 is too high...
-
Two sources have said different things to me:
1. The USPCC ask you how many you want left uncut when they start printing... Meaning they would be the same cost as a normal deck.
2. Uncut sheets cost $5 each (not that far off a normal deck cost)
$45 is too high...
$30 is plenty for an uncut sheet.
-
i read somewhere that these decks actually cost less than 2$ to produced.
i,m okay with price somewhere around 7-8$ which i think thats a bit expensive comparing with E, T11, D&D, the BC decks. but i understand that these arent a mass production like those. however, judjing from the revision1 deck that were only 5$. i think kickstarter decks nowadays is too expensive. not only this spectrum decks, but a lot of projects as well. some of those im willing to pay for that cause im falling in the design. but now i think i gotta change my mind. i might stop buying any kickstarter decks at all. cant bare the price. buying a brick of kickstarter decks and pay $100? i would rather buy a brick of E decks much cheaper. i remembered that E decks were complained to be expensive a while ago. now that its very cheap comparing to these. also, E decks design is always awesome. they are real professional. D&D also charges 8.88$ for a deck, whats happening to cards market!!!!
-
Funding decks at this price, only encourages more people to start their Kickstarter deck campaigns at this price.
I would have happily paid $5 plus shipping.
I would have picked up 2 decks..
Cosmo will absolutely succeed in this campaign, the goal is really low... but I hope he realizes that these price tactics are becoming more and more frowned upon by the card community.
After the campaign... "The cards will retail for $14.95 after the campaign"
and it looks like he'll be doing a second run after this 2500 run, with the only difference being the seal sticker.
man, stop the insanity
ANDDDD>.... so for Americans, the price is $10 shipping in. So, in that $10, some of that goes towards packaging and shipping. let's say $2 total for that. So the decks is really selling for $8
but, If I buy it, I have to pay $15... so, it's really like $7 shipping for 1 deck! Total B/S
Jay
-
I feel slightly bad for the bad press these prices are attractive - please don't think its personal, the card market is mental right now (kickstarter is useful in that it raises money but its restrictive, costs you 10% and is a weird process in which we dont preorder a deck definitely, just reserve the right to preorder, and then if its going to be made because those who said they'll preorder will cover the cost, you then preorder)
My favorite card company is BBM, and they're decks are £5, which is like $8. E's infinity is $8 as well. A lot of people on these forums are into deck design and know the price. I got quoted between $1.75 and $2.50. Take the top end of that, and include $1000 for art charges, $1500 for shipping to you and other costs (there are loads of hidden) that makes it $3.50 a deck to produce... It's a great magic effect but I don't think it's worth the RRP of $15... In my mind this is the kinda of deck that flourisher should get, and be able to go through about 20 without killing themselves. I mean its a beautiful deck - and maybe $15 for the deck and trick would go well, but $30 dollar trick? You can get some mouthwatering stuff from E or theory11 for that. The uncut sheet is a no holds barred thing, I mean $45 a bit steep - but they are truly limited, and we've seen them go for more and less.
I think the main issue isn't the kickstarter prices, but the RRP's of all this stuff - very few decks can go for $15 - they have to be very limited, awesome and from an established source, they normally have metallic ink and what not. And like I said the dvd thing is expensive as well. This leads to the problem, you've given kickstarter backers a good discount off, a third off (let's take shipping out cos that's always applicable). The issue is the kickstarter price, its the RRP from the kickstarter is derived. If it was a $10 RRP, Kickstarter $7 it'd make it much more reasonable. Don't forget that is still twice what you pay for the deck (based on estimations).
Ideally that above would be for a design deck, a collectors deck (Bicycle galvanic comes to mind... Vortex and tendril seem too pratical and innovative). For this deck, $7 RRP, $5 Kickstarter. Even if you sell 2,000 on kickstarter you more than break even.
-
Sorry CBJ I wrote all that while you were posting, didn't mean to just repeat you... Cosmo did you think of doing a special, limited free international shipping like Sean did with Galvanic - you check out any Galvanic post and you'll see it was a massive hit.
-
these are nice
-
@Tigre
What the hell dude? Whats with the footer you got there? First post, great way to make an impression.
-
Awesome! That joker is so sick! I love it! I just shared it all over Facebook. Good luck with it!
Haha you must have missed that I posted it yesterday :P It's pretty sweet though!
I just backed for a few of these!! I've said this before but this is one of the best rainbow decks I've seen. I'm pretty excited about it. I don't have a huge problem with the price like some people do, so overall not many complaints.
these are nice
Yes, yes they are! Try to make your posts a little more purposeful though mate. Also check out the "introduce yourself" board. You'll find it's a nice place to get to know the community!
-
First off, HUGE THANK YOU to those who've already pledged!
Wow CBJ it's not insanity, why you're so angry is beyond me... some will buy these, some won't, I'm not upset with YOU if you DON'T buy them, if you don't agree with the price. I researched several other very successful projects and used them as my examples... some will think that an original design deck has more value and some will think the usability of this deck has more and some will think something else! I'm not trying to shove these down anyone's throats! with the exception of The earlier mentioned rainbow deck, the other "brand name" rainbows sell for over 20 dollars and they don't have the "same back" design quality. From a magician's viewpoint that's huge. So no offense is meant to those of you who don't understand the 10.00 price tag.
Look I won't get on here to defend myself, and it may sound that way, but I do think it's my duty to at least try and explain.
Shipping internationally... I will take the time to help you all understand the costs a little later... unfortunately I'm out of time right now, but will get on it, mostly because I don't just see folks saying, nah, too much, but I do see some flaming already! Silly. My wife would love a 300 dollar coach bag, but we went to ross and got a nice one for 20 bucks. I certainly won't complain to anyone about things I'm not willing to spend money on nor that some of my friends go ahead and drop the 300 bucks to keep their wives happy!
If someone else is able to charge 5 bucks flat, it's probably because they've made up for it all in volume and they've done this several times. I'm trying to keep the shipping right at what it should be. If you've spent two hours out of your day as I do shipping you realize what the term "handling" really means. and I'm not trying to tack on extra for that.
You, Jay, are doing the right thing by not buying it. You are supporting what you believe in and if this is insanity, then it's the only way to stop it.
I personally think that a new design of a deck every couple of days is what's insane, mostly because of the satuation I don't even know where to begin, hence I buy almost none! And that sucks! Oh, and some have become millionaires doing it. But I'm not upset that they give me the chance to. And some folks LOVE spending their money that way, no one forces them to.
To call the 2 dollar difference insanity is pretty harsh... I think anyway.
Many will spend more on a burger and coke and not have a cool deck of cards to show for it... :-)
Oh and anytime anyone out there is willing to risk 7-10,000 bucks just to break even let me know, I"d love to have you as an investor in future projects.
I've agreed with my wife not to look at kickstarter tonight anymore, but within an hour it was going nuts... Sorry if 2 bucks or even 4 bucks ruins it for some of you. There's a very nice deck available for 10 dollars, Anglo, mentioned earlier in this post. I recommend that one if SPECTRUM isn't for you. Wait, I just checked three websites, shipping is around $12.00.
I'll reconsider the shipping issues as I have no intention of gouging or making money on that, but I know for a fact that cheapest shipping on a deck of cards is just under 5 bucks international, I just weighed a deck and checked yesterday. not to mention a buck for the envelope and label.
I seriously will check that out and adjust for fairness if justified. The heavier the package the more it costs.
I'm happy to answer to anything but if you want to take pot shots or be rude, I'll just bow out, I'm not into it.
Again, no offense meant. 'Cmon guys you don't like it fine, like I said, I'm not angry at anyone who won't buy it. and no one buys it, I'm screwed. The 7 grand is real money. Real money that feeds kids and pays rent. No one, including me is out to break even.
Again, HUGE THANKS to those of you who have supported this!
Awesome!
Coz
-
Fair play, I wish you the best of luck :)
-
Hey Cosmo..
Let me start by saying something that I forgot in my last posts...
I REALLY like this deck. And, from the time I saw your poster prototype, I was determined to buy the uncut.
That's why I was upset that if I wanted a deck and a uncut, it was going to cost me quite a bit.
That being said... We could go back and forth all day with the price issue.
So, let's just agree to disagree.
Like I said, I'm a huge fan of the deck... an even bigger fan of the uncut.
So much so, that I posted it on my FB http://www.facebook.com/BicyclePlayingCards
I have around 250 different Bicycle decks, I'm sure one of yours will eventually end up in the collection.
I wish you all the best in your endeavor.
CBJ aka Jay
-
Hey Cosmo..
Let me start by saying something that I forgot in my last posts...
I REALLY like this deck. And, from the time I saw your poster prototype, I was determined to buy the uncut.
That's why I was upset that if I wanted a deck and a uncut, it was going to cost me quite a bit.
That being said... We could go back and forth all day with the price issue.
So, let's just agree to disagree.
Like I said, I'm a huge fan of the deck... an even bigger fan of the uncut.
So much so, that I posted it on my FB http://www.facebook.com/BicyclePlayingCards
I have around 250 different Bicycle decks, I'm sure one of yours will eventually end up in the collection.
I wish you all the best in your endeavor.
CBJ aka Jay
Yeah I was the same! I was dying to get an uncut but sadly the price is just too steep.
-
these are nice
is this philly D!?!?! lol i kid
it seems like a lot of people are really liking this deck, but to me it just seems like yet another re-coloration of the rider backs.
-
I recall reading somewhere that the Multicolor Deck by Fragment Design was the most expensive deck produced at the time, and the amount of color that went into it is only a fraction of what's on this deck. It's easy to play with colors when you're talking about a desktop printer, but when you're talking about using plates and a printing press for mass production with some degree of quality, I can see where it would get costly, fast.
They're probably even "in-between" colors needed, like on some high-end photo printers that use five or six different colors and not simply three. Each of those requires another plate and adds another level of complexity to the project.
Frankly, at the $9 a pack I'm getting my two decks for, I see this as a bargain. But then again, I don't require international shipping.
-
??? Funded in less than 24 hours!
Congrats man. Hopefully I can buy 2 of them. Its just tough with all the decks coming out.
-
??? Funded in less than 24 hours!
Congrats man. Hopefully I can buy 2 of them. Its just tough with all the decks coming out.
Awesome news!! Congrats! Can't wait to see this deck in person
-
If you look at this as a magic deck, what Cosmo says he intitally made it for, $10 a deck is pretty cheap for a color changing deck like this, much cheaper then most.
-
If you look at this as a magic deck, what Cosmo says he intitally made it for, $10 a deck is pretty cheap for a color changing deck like this, much cheaper then most.
That's a very valid point. This isn't like a regular deck of cards, or even a regular custom deck of cards. The primary use for these is magic, and perhaps cardistry. You'd never bring them to a poker table. I've paid as much as $80 for a gaffed/rigged deck, so yes, it's reasonably priced.
-
Boom Baby!
4 hrs 12 minutes.... FUNDED!
Unbelievable thanks all!
Coz
-
I'm sure it's too late to do anything about it now, but I'm kind of surprised you didn't limit the rewards. What happens if you end up getting backers for more than the 2500 initial print?
-
damn i want an uncut but i dont want 4 decks with the uncut sheet :( i just want two decks
-
$10 for a deck with only two custom cards? Pass. I'd spend $5, at the most.
-
I appreciated that you took the leap to mostly fund it yourself, and pledged for a couple. One will make a fun collector item but the other will be for my daughter who has bugged me and bugged me for a 'rainbow deck' of cards. Now I don't have to sit there in photoshop for hours and print all that out. :)
-
Hours? C'mon, it's just hue slider and saving at regular intervals. An hour, maybe.
-
Cosmo,
since you designed the Spectrum deck as a magic related item,wouldn't it be better to have two identical Jokers?
I mean the Jokers are natural duplicates and the magic community would appreciate that.
Just my opinion as a magician.
;-)
PS: i really like your Joker design,very nice Jesters!
-
Cosmo,
since you designed the Spectrum deck as a magic related item,wouldn't it be better to have two identical Jokers?
I mean the Jokers are natural duplicates and the magic community would appreciate that.
Just my opinion as a magician.
;-)
PS: i really like your Joker design,very nice Jesters!
I went round and round about the gaffs, there is no perfect solution. my thoughts on duplicate jokers is that people know that there are 2 jokers in the deck, people don't always realize that 1 is the guarantee joker, a double backer is a more natural solution for a deck like this. but then with 52 different colors what color do you make a double backer?
like I said round and round. I finally took the deck and just started playing to see what might come out it of it, I came up with a really cool routine which would use a gaff that would be unique and kinda cool.
using a joker as a duplicate has never appealed to me.
I'm sure someone will come up with a better idea for the gaff and I`ll wish I had thought of it but for now I hope I am appealing to the magic community.
Thanks for the idea, since I still have the opportunity to make changes i'm always open!
-
Hey Cosmo,
I have the kickstarter page bookmarked to automatically look up "playing cards"
Your deck does not show up when you search for that. only if you type in "bicycle"
Not sure how the search engine works on Kickstarter.. but it seems like this might hinder your fundraiser a bit
Anyway, just thought I'd let you know
CBJ
-
hey good timing I noticed that last night, 4 a while it wouldn't even find it if I put in the word spectrum and I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to address that , it could be that I don't have the word playing cards in there like I should I'm not sure how the search engine works there either but I'll look into it immediately I canT say how much I appreciate that. many of my posts and responses are by phone so I apologize for grammatical errors and not being able to cut and paste quotes !
-
yeah I can't figure it out the word playing cards is all over the place I added it to the title but that didn't seem to help
-
What will happen with the extra money?
-
I'll be posting the faq's this afternoon that will answer all these types of questions. including the question about limiting that was mentioned earlier.
Coz
-
It's amazing to me all the haters that come out to downgrade someone's hard work... Especially people that design / produce their own decks... He's not trying to reinvent the wheel like some of you out there... Congratulate the guy... If you like the deck buy one... If you don't like it, then don't buy it... But don't criticize this particular deck... What's there to criticize... It's a Bicycle Brand Rider Back 808 made up of the colors of the rainbow... Really, are you hating on rainbows??? Don't hate on rainbows... hahaha...
-
Everyone loves RAINBOWS!
(http://www.prguitarman.com/comics/poptart1red1.gif)
-
LOL! Thanks JM, my sentiments exactly... Surprising to hear from someone who I admired... oh well!
So I relish comments negative, positive, good, bad, indifferent as it is an opportunity to open up discussion, get a different perspective. and in these cases discussion is a chance to educate others about the product.
So here's why I'm glad the subject was brought up...
It wasn't just an idea to have a rainbow Bicycle deck that would match the deck of cards the ENTIRE WORLD was familiar with, it was a dream! The lack of original artwork was actually ON PURPOSE!
52 different cards with original faces would have ruined my whole intention. So for ANYONE reading, I won't say, "sorry..." but instead, "rest assured!" that this deck does NOT have a bunch of new artwork! It will look exactly like a Bicycle deck until YOU are ready to show off the rainbow!" The one thing that some might think makes this a 4 dollar deck, is EXACTLY the reason I truly believe it's far more valuable than that.
I'm so fortunate to now become a part of the History of Bicycle decks!
Okay so today's my wife's birthday and since she let me put up every penny I have to get this going, I think she deserves my attention! I'm signing out for most of the day and will get back to the FAQ's asap!
Oh, let me answer this one real quick:
What will happen with the extra money?
I know that's a common "Kickstarter" question, but in the case of a finite product (as apposed to say someone is trying to fund the cost of publishing a book) there really isn't "extra money" everyone who pledges, gets a deck (or decks). That's it.
Now that brings up: what about if (and it looks very likely) we go PAST the 2500 decks? I factored that in and I do have a plan.
The logic behind limiting the pledges is too long to go into here, and became a logistical nightmare, but I'll just say in the kickstarter arena it caused more problems than it solved.
I researched and studied every card project on Kickstarter I could for almost 2 weeks, made spreadsheets took notes etc.
there are pro's and cons of it all.
Either way I Guarantee that this run will ONLY be 2500 decks, as I have already discussed how to handle the issue should I sell out.
Honestly I wasn't sure HOW they would be received, in a world where "new" artwork decks come out every other day. ;-)
I anticipated the problem but didn't think it was very likely. so yes there's a plan and if you bought based on the limited run, please don't worry, I'm sticking to that and have a plan.
My marketing plan on all of this is carefully put together and constantly being carefully thought out, (doin' my best here) in fact I am working closely with a marketing consultant, who, (for those of you who think I'm over pricing) I've already paid enough to pay for a new set of wheels! (that's an inside joke between me and him, he actually just bought new transportation in part due to my business!)
I couldn't be happier at this point. If you want new artwork there are some great ones out there, and some not so great, but the choices are almost insane! If you want a cool, unique bicycle deck which now will forever be listed as one of the official bicycle decks in history and also has some great uses (magic-wise) I got one for sale on kickstarter! Woo hoo!
I'll make this promise, I won't go talking smack about ANYONE'S effort or deck designs, even though I think some of the designs are hideous and some are awesome!
Don't hate rainbows! Rainbows are good.
Peace!
Coz
-
I went round and round about the gaffs, there is no perfect solution. my thoughts on duplicate jokers is that people know that there are 2 jokers in the deck, people don't always realize that 1 is the guarantee joker, a double backer is a more natural solution for a deck like this. but then with 52 different colors what color do you make a double backer?
like I said round and round. I finally took the deck and just started playing to see what might come out it of it, I came up with a really cool routine which would use a gaff that would be unique and kinda cool.
using a joker as a duplicate has never appealed to me.
I'm sure someone will come up with a better idea for the gaff and I`ll wish I had thought of it but for now I hope I am appealing to the magic community.
Thanks for the idea, since I still have the opportunity to make changes i'm always open!
OK, so if people know there's two jokers in a deck, why not make a duplicate card? Pick whichever card(s) have the same red and/or blue back as standard Bicycle Rider Backs and make a second, identical version. It would be nice for doing double lift tricks or taking a card off the top of the deck without revealing the spectrum colors of the other backs.
-
that's a good idea, that's actually why I changed two of the colors to the exact color values of the standard red and blue!
none of the reds or blues were exactly the same color so I asked uspcc for the exact values. Also, this allows you to use it with a real red or blued deck, you just cut to the color you want on top. Plus I made sure that the bottom most card leads into the top card so no matter where you cut the deck the spectrum continues... (did that make sense?)
Coz
-
that's a good idea, that's actually why I changed two of the colors to the exact color values of the standard red and blue!
none of the reds or blues were exactly the same color so I asked uspcc for the exact values. Also, this allows you to use it with a real red or blued deck, you just cut to the color you want on top. Plus I made sure that the bottom most card leads into the top card so no matter where you cut the deck the spectrum continues... (did that make sense?)
Coz
Makes perfect sense to me. Another possibility is to make two blue- and/or red-backed cards in that exact shade but give them different values - if you can think of an effective way to incorporate them into a magic trick. I like the two identical cards for a particular trick I do that usually uses jokers, but for this deck, maybe two different cards with the same back color would be better. You've been at this game far longer than I have; what do you think?
I can already envision putting the cards into "reverse faro" order and cutting down to the differently-valued card with the same back - it could be made to seem as if the two stacks were both blue-backed or red-backed cards. Faro them together (easy enough, since most decks these days faro face-up anyway) and now the cards have been sorted into rainbow order with the spectator none the wiser.
-
So after much thought and discussion with my little "think tank" group of friends as well as my marketing consultant out of Florida, the gaffs for the SPECTRUM deck will change slightly:
the routine with the rainbow/blue, double-backed card (full spectrum of colors on one card) is very cool, but I got an email from someone who I've been bouncing things off of, (thanks Simon Beck!) and he informed me that he uses a red deck! So that routine isn't as appealing to him. I went back and forth about the solid color and because of only having one card slot left, I decided blue since the color change is more drastic.
Red looks great too though!
So now I'll be including the double backer but one blue and one red.
this way it works for all and opens up way more possibilities than having a rainbow colored Ace.
Wish they'd give more card slots!
Thanks
Coz
-
$10 for a deck with only two custom cards? Pass. I'd spend $5, at the most.
Hey wanted to thank Russel K. personally here...
I see he changed his mind about the SPECTRUM deck... thanks for the order!
Coz
-
So now I'll be including the double backer but one blue and one red.
this way it works for all and opens up way more possibilities than having a rainbow colored Ace.
Thanks for the update. It is not the gaff card I want but it doesn't matter, because your specturm backs include normal red and blue, right? I have blank face cards with red or blue blacks, I will add them into your deck and still can perform the routine I want. :P
_
-
$10 for a deck with only two custom cards? Pass. I'd spend $5, at the most.
Hey wanted to thank Russel K. personally here...
I see he changed his mind about the SPECTRUM deck... thanks for the order!
Coz
Yeah! I thought about it and I still think the price for a single deck is a bit high. I pledged for the uncut sheet, it looks amazing and I will be proud to show it on my office wall! Congrats on the funding, remember shipping and fees are going to be killer, don't blow all your extra money on a 'vacation*' just yet!
* vacation = cocaine and escorts :D
-
I pledged. Although I don't think this is the best deck ever released (I greatly prefer CCC, AC, and Robert Butler's decks), I still thing this one is pretty creative. Pledged for 25$. I was wondering if it was possible for me to add 2 decks to my order, making it 45$. Is that possible?
-
I don`t mind the deck but, I have a couple rainbow decks and they arn`t anything special. Also with shipping $15 is too much for me to spend on this deck with all the other decks that are coming out.
-
I pledged. Although I don't think this is the best deck ever released (I greatly prefer CCC, AC, and Robert Butler's decks), I still thing this one is pretty creative. Pledged for 25$. I was wondering if it was possible for me to add 2 decks to my order, making it 45$. Is that possible?
Well this is more for magicians and routines. It's also a collectors piece. I wouldn't put it in the same category as some other Kickstarter decks. Granted they are all beautiful decks but they offer different things.
I woud email Coz if you want to adjust an order. He's really good at replying really fast and he's super helpful!
-
I kinda hate myself for this since you've heard my opinions but hey my granddad offered to buy me anything (Within reason) so that I could show him and a few friends a great trick, and it's a bicycle deck and I am a bicycle collector - and I really love the coloured bike decks and have them all (all but yellow that stupid thing) so I caved and ordered one - look forward to the release and all :)
EDIT - I forgot to write the have them all bit :L
-
Hey Nathan,
I didn't realize you posted that question here, I pm'd you on kickstarter... thanks again!
@Fallen_Angel...
damn i want an uncut but i dont want 4 decks with the uncut sheet :( i just want two decks
it's easy to get what you want on kickstarter, I've made custom pledges for several people, just send me a kickstarter message if you want. Happy to make it work for ya!
You can also just get the card and sheet, then add the difference. there's a verification at the end where you make it clear what the money was for.
Regarding the gaff, unfortunately there's only two slots for gaffs so it's impossible to do all the things I'd like, or all the things people would want...
@hazofhorsham lol! thanks for picking one up! I didn't take any of your opinions as negative! Whenever someone says $XX of dollars is too much I just hear, it's too much for me... everyone has their comfort zone! And if your grandad would buy you anything within reason, well, I gotta say wow, i'm honored you chose the SPECTRUM deck!
And yes this deck really was designed by and for magicians, but along the way, and the reason for the jokers and ace really came from a friend who's a big card collector who educated me on that market. Also the limited run gold seal was highly suggested by a couple of VERY prominent names (I'm sure you know who they are, but I won't mention them without their consent) in the card collecting community.
So truthfully, just IN CASE someone who collected cards got one of the decks, I wanted to offer something to them as well.
Lots and lots of thought, weeks, months of back and forth, even meetings in person and skype! Sounds silly doesn't it?
Anyway, thanks everyone!
Coz
-
@Cosmo Solano - Thank you for your quick response. :D Also, are you planning on having any additional bonuses for beating your goal?
-
I'd like to do something, not sure yet!
-
Maybe you could have additional pledges or bonuses with certain pledges.
-
The box looks 1000% better! Great job, the cards look awesome.
-
Mmm I don't really like the back of the box. Uncommon to print the Joker there.
Any picture for the back side of the uncut?
-
No pictures of the back of the uncut sheet but heres a poster.
-
Yeah I've seen the poster, but more interested in the uncut. I don't think it'll look the same.
-
The box looks 1000% better! Great job, the cards look awesome.
Other than the AOS's and the Jokers, the face of the cards look pretty standard to me. I already have the Rainbow deck and the Tetra deck, so I'll pass on these.
-
I honestly dont get all the hype about this deck. It is a bunch of standard cards that don`t match each other.
-
The point is though it's a magic deck! Most magic decks cost must more. Look at Ellusionist gaff decks. They cost no more to produce, yet cost six times as much! $30 for one of Ellusionist's magic decks. Now I know E has a lot more artists, and there are more tricks, but I just feel that people should stop complaining about the price and realize that this deck isn't made for everyone. It wasn't meant to be liked by everyone. It was for a specific audience of magicians and flourishers and this is cheaper than many of the other color-changing decks I've seen.
Also, could you please change the title of this thread? Thanks :)
-
I'm not sure how you can compare this to a gaff deck, there's nothing gaff about it other than the backs. The majority of gaff decks are face gaffed. I'm sure this will be a deck that appeals to some, but for a colour changing deck, I know a few that are better suited. That's just my opinion, so for those that do order them..enjoy :) they are kind of unigue, I guess :-X
-
How exactly is this a magic deck? Sure if you're using it to do colour changes, but how is it different from any other regular decks out there (by regular I mean non-gaff decks). I'm no magician so I don't know much about tricks, but I don't think this deck could do you too much good comparing to other decks.
-
This wouldn`t be super practical for anything. I think E`s gaff decks are 100x better although I can see how people could like this deck.
-
Just for its colours I guess. I'm not sure how many, but I know there aren't many decks that are printed with more than 6 colours.
-
Hey just realized the graphic for the backs of the uncut was some how cut off! that's weird! I'll fix it in a few...
Glad you like the box (well some of you...)
:-)
Made mockups of about 8 different boxes, and it's a completely different thing when you have it in your hands then it is on the computer screen.
Oh by the way, the graphics of the uncuts are not the actual proofs I'll be getting those any day now, someone was asking me to post a picture of the uncut, so the picture you see I made... there will likely be a few very minor differences...
Just uploaded the picture again... should look fine now.
Thanks again!
Coz
-
It's wrong to compare this to a gaff deck, if you state that the price is justified because it is a magic deck and therefore for magicians; that is fair enough. However if you are a magician and you were in the market of buying a magic deck, you can either get 1 colour changing trick and nice flourishes for $15rrp, or a deck of 54 different tricks for $30ish rrp. You can reason that this deck is okay to cost more than other standard decks because it's magical, but in my opinion it doesn't equal a gaff deck. You can't get as much use out of it - and no offense Coz - I don't think it would be as hard hitting as a gaff trick. All this doesn't really matter, the guys sold enough on kickstarter, he's making his deck and everyone who has a deck on its way (myself included) won't be disappointed - it is a simple concept and you get what you expect. I don't think there is much room for let down with this deck since you know its a rider back, you know is quality guaranteed and you know it's different colours. Not in the league of a gaff deck and it's pointless to compare them. If you want a comparision I would assume a magic makers rainbow deck would be suitable (except that deck has value in the fact it's 54 different back styles which means you get like santa backs etc which are awesome). Thats just what I think...
-
It's wrong to compare this to a gaff deck, if you state that the price is justified because it is a magic deck and therefore for magicians; that is fair enough. However if you are a magician and you were in the market of buying a magic deck, you can either get 1 colour changing trick and nice flourishes for $15rrp, or a deck of 54 different tricks for $30ish rrp. You can reason that this deck is okay to cost more than other standard decks because it's magical, but in my opinion it doesn't equal a gaff deck. You can't get as much use out of it - and no offense Coz - I don't think it would be as hard hitting as a gaff trick. All this doesn't really matter, the guys sold enough on kickstarter, he's making his deck and everyone who has a deck on its way (myself included) won't be disappointed - it is a simple concept and you get what you expect. I don't think there is much room for let down with this deck since you know its a rider back, you know is quality guaranteed and you know it's different colours. Not in the league of a gaff deck and it's pointless to compare them. If you want a comparision I would assume a magic makers rainbow deck would be suitable (except that deck has value in the fact it's 54 different back styles which means you get like santa backs etc which are awesome). Thats just what I think...
I completely understand what you are saying. When I was comparing it to the Ellusionist gaff deck I just meant price wise. People are saying that this deck shouldn't be so pricey because it doesn't cost any more to produce (besides the low quantity) then a normal deck, and what I was trying to say was that E does the same thing, and they sell it for $30. When I was comparing them I wasnt necessarily comparing the applications and use, because gaff decks definitely have more uses, I was comparing prices, and I'm sorry that I was not clear enough in my above posts.
-
Man Cosmo.. I'm not sure why you changed the back design layout.. but now I would not buy it
Old layout
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/poster600.jpg)
New layout
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/cmyk-final2.jpg)
The new layout/color scheme is horrible. And the addition of the two "rainbow" backs kills it COMPLETELY
Please tell me you're going to change it back, I had planned on buying one.
If it stays like this... I'll have to pass
CBJ
-
What does the rest of the forum think??
Did he kill the amazing look of this uncut?
CBJ
-
Well, I don't think he killed it. I do think the first one looks better but the new one isn't that bad. It's still a pretty sweet uncut sheet that would look great hanging on any wall. That's just my take on it.
I'm curious to hear what everybody else thinks?
-
I agree with you CBJ.
Cosmo that was a very sweet and simple layout, please don't change it.
-
Ugh, I pledged for an uncut too. I just wanted the nice an simple 808 backs with 56 different SOLID colors.
1. KILL the rainbow cards.
2. I like the rearranged colors, it makes more sense than the original.
-
I thought maybe the black border was throwing my eyes off a bit...
so I cropped that out. Here's a side by side
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/Untitled-2.jpg)
-
the newer one doesn`t look nearly as good. The old pattern looked way cooler.
-
@loldudex2 I can see where you are coming from though :) I just think this deck either has die hard defenders that think it's brilliant, and those that don't seem to understand it (I am probably the latter) I guess it comes down to two things a) Do you have the money? b) Does your liking/disliking to the deck convince you to buy/not buy it. You can buy decks you don't like just for the sake of having, and you can ignore decks you do like because of financial issues. I see your point, I was just providing the other side of the argument :)
In terms of the uncut sheet I believe you guys are debating? The rainbow card kills it because it interupts the spectrum - one of the great bit of design is the whole complete cycle of colours and the rainbow cards kill it there. Apart from that I don't think the order is too much of an issue :)[/size]
-
I liked the old one better, especially with the black background. The white one hurts the eye.
-
I agree. The rainbow cards throw it off and make it look somewhat cluttered rather then elegant. I don't think either one is terrible, but I definitely prefer the first one like many of you said.
-
Hi all, I responded but due to my time constraints will have to edit and respond a little later...
Thanks!
-
I am not going to quote the post above because of the length, but thank you Cosmo for telling us this and giving us the information. I am very glad with the passion that you have, and I really enjoy that you took the time to inform us of all of this. I will admit, I've never been really fond of this deck, and although I am still not a huge fan, I love the fact that you are explaining yourself and your humble approach at this. I can tell you really have a passion for this deck and seeing that gives me the strong urge to pledge.
Thank you for keeping us updated, and keep on truckin'. :)
-
hey thanks loldude!
Unfortunately I deleted the post!!! Hoping to do it before any responses... my apologies! It was too long and I'm so exhausted I really want to edit it just to clean it up..
the down and dirty until then: nothing has changed in the uncut, y'all are comparing the poster to it.
I'll follow up later with an explaination to clear it up!
Thanks!!!
-
This post might not make any sense to some now.. because he erased his post.
Needless to say, he made some comments that were directly aimed at me... so here we go...
Alright Coz...
Some of this was obviously directed at me, so I'll address that..
First off... I STARTED THIS THREAD! Did I have a problem with your price point when the campaign started? Of course I did! You hide behind this.. "well other decks are selling for that much, so why can't I " mentality. It's overpriced .. PERIOD. It's not just opinion, it's fact. At a 2500 deck run, your deck costs $3 to make... MAX.
AND, some of these other ARTISTS have worked there asses off designing a fully custom deck. Not just using different color rider backs, one ace pip, and one joker design. You make it seem like you've slaved away at this deck, making this masterpiece.. If you want to talk about sweat and tears.. talk to Russel, Lance, Alex, Adam, or Alex Chin. These artist's decks deserve that price point. But even some of them sell for much cheaper.
Face it, you just pumped out a fancy color rider back.
as for the uncut.. trust me, everyone was under the impression that the poster was a darivitive of the uncut design. Why wouldn't they. Not once till today did you mention that it wouldn't look like that. So, like Russel mentioned earlier, he purchased one thinking that's what they looked like.
I understand that there is not a black border on the uncuts, I've been collecting cards a long time. The only reason I cropped out the black was to see how the 2 looked side by side on even territory.
You are right on one thing for sure... I have not pledged yet. But members on here can tell you, I had contacted them about doing a group Canadian purchase, because I WANTED that uncut.
You can't just zero out someone who gives criticism on your project even though they might not pledge. You can go back to my first post, how I wrote how I liked the uncut... and now I'm upset it's not what it was indirectly portrayed as.
Anyway, now that you've erased your post.. you can twist this any way you like..
Honestly, I don't want to have a back and forth argument on this.
I was trying to help.. honestly.
I told you when I couldn't find your deck in the search engine..
I posted that the different look of the uncut as opposed to the poster was not as visually appealing. (maybe a little too harshly, but I was trying to help)
So, let's just end this. now. Do what you're going to do with your project, and from here on out... I'll stay out of it.
Jason
-
EDIT - DELETED BECAUSE IT WAS OFF TOPIC AND I THINK THE OTHER ISSUES ARE MORE IMPORTANT.
-
I understand what you are saying, Cosmo Solano, but I have to say I agree with CBJ on this one. Anyways, whatever your decision, this won't change my pledge. Good luck,
Nathan
-
Coz, can you please confirm the design of the uncut sheets?
I much prefer the way the poster looks, and I might need to change my pledge!
-
I was not expecting this project to go so far! Congrats Coz
-
Okay sheesh,
Moving on, my apologies to those who don't like the uncuts. In case you're not aware kickstarter allows cancellations. Please I would never want anyone get them and be disappointed.
I know and practice in a way that shows my integrity, so I wont even touch the accusations of being misleading.
The real issue is that some are okay and some aren't okay with the way they look.
The uncuts were never posted on kickstarter, the posters were. The posters have black backgrounds and a title at the bottom. I don't recall any uncut sheets EVER being printed that way.
Care was taken to call them posters and NOT to elude any relationship to the uncut sheets. This isn't in defense but stating a fact for anyone who hasn't been to the kickstarter site yet and might assume the worst of my efforts. Nuff said.
I recently posted an update on the kickstarter site titled: "These are your cards, not mine!" due to printing issues, the box design had to change, much to my dismay. I finally conceded to a design that seemed to work best (all things considered) and after getting a message about it, and through sheer luck came up with something that is more like what I wanted and everyone liked! Yay!
I do feel this deck belongs to those who get it, and have worked hard to consider the feedback.
So regarding the uncut sheets: An uncut sheet is a product of the deck, exists because of the deck. The deck is first and foremost. To alter the design strictly for the sake of the appearance of the uncut sheet would compromise the deck itself. With that said, just before launching on kickstarter, I kept looking at the printing layout wishing it could be different. The deck would have been everything it is now and less work for me had I left it alone and the uncut sheet would have been interesting but not in spectrum order.
Here's the original uncut, as it would have been in ACE-King order, so those of you who like uncut sheets, understand that I spent two days re-arranging the color scheme, laying out the cards and resubmitting everything to USPCC for one reason, to make the uncut sheets more attractive.
Here's what it ALMOST WAS:
(http://www.tricksite.com/spectrum/images/uncut01.jpg)
The old layout
Some here in this forum have asked me to change it back, but it is as it always was, unless I change it back to the above layout. It never was layed out like posters. Besides, the poster which I'll agree is prettier, is cheaper! Win/win!
For those who like the details: the cards are printed in order from left to right in a row, then back to the left at the next row. and so on, so either I screw up the spectrum when you actually use them and spread them out, or I go with the spectrum starting over on the next row. And since this is about the deck more than anything, the compromise HAS to be with the sheet.
I can tell you, the uncut will look awesome on my wall as is and I can't wait for it. Even the above image is pretty cool for an uncut.
The first thing that makes the uncut sheet appealing to me is that it's an actual sheet from the printing of the deck itself, I thought that's why collectors like them? If not the have I got a cooool poster for you!
The deck comes with the cards that it comes with and every card HAS to go somewhere!
On the 2nd day of kickstarter I posted the uncut image you may have seen, at the request of a backer. at that point only a few sheets had been ordered, so there was no hiding anything.
One last thing, Hazofhorsham deleted a very VERY important point... In my haste to present the uncut image I used an existing sheet from a google search and superimposed the jokers and ace etc, since the rest of the deck is standard bicycle faces. It didn't hit me that the order of the front is in si stebbins rather than A-K!
Understanding that the focal point of the "look of the uncut" issue is about the back colors, I simply over looked the order of the front.
Time constraints won't allow me to make an accurate mock up of the front, and I will take down the front sample right away to avoid confusion.
Even though hazofhorsham deleted the post and I could have just fixed it without mention, I wanted to be "transparent" as always.
All the best intentions! Glad I got saw that H!
Kickstarter took off today again! Whoo hoo!
Coz
-
Coz, can you please confirm the design of the uncut sheets?
I much prefer the way the poster looks, and I might need to change my pledge!
Hey there, the uncut sheet will look as you've seen it on the kickstarter page, with possible MINOR changes to the gaff cards. You still have 24 days and I will be posting the final proof of the uncut sheet as soon as I get it (hopefully in a few days) So you can wait to cancel until you see the proof, or cancel and reconsider later. The color order won't change guaranteed. If you're not crazy about it then yes you may want to change your pledge. You can cancel or decrease if a poster is more appealing.
-
Thanks magicaddictz!
yeah and today is blowing me away!
-
I will most likely pick up an uncut.
I had a vision of getting it framed similar to this...
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6037/6312176861_deb9be6b8f_b.jpg)
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6225/6312669326_d458a93ab6_b.jpg)
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6222/6312188997_030ba71804_b.jpg)
To see the full thread of these go here http://aethercards.com/discourse/index.php?topic=413.0
CBJ
-
Congrats on almost 400%!
-
Holy crap, I'm jealous! I now wish I had been collecting all these years! Very nice sheets CBJ
Thanks to YOU Nathan and those like ya! Yes hit a milestone, 200 backers. Maybe I shouldn't say this, and please don't ask.... but I've been giving out bonuses for various milestones, so far several have gotten a free deck or something.
Unreal... Unreal.
-
Details plz? How much would we have to pledge to get one? and 12,000$ pledged and 200 backers makes.... drumroll... On average 60$ per backer! Wow!
-
Detailz on ??? the bonuses? it's secret! haven't hit 12k yet! close.... tick tock tick tock.
-
Hey Cosmo,
I need a bit of clarification... did you get rid of the "rainbow" cards in the corner? is the uncut sheet 56 different one colored cards?
-
Holy crap, I'm jealous! I now wish I had been collecting all these years! Very nice sheets CBJ
Thanks to YOU Nathan and those like ya! Yes hit a milestone, 200 backers. Maybe I shouldn't say this, and please don't ask.... but I've been giving out bonuses for various milestones, so far several have gotten a free deck or something.
Unreal... Unreal.
I don't believe those are CBJ's. I'm pretty sure that they are Chin's from Season's playing cards.
-
^^ I second loldudex2's statement. I know for a fact that those are Alex Chin's, creator of the Season's playing cards.
Detailz on ??? the bonuses? it's secret! haven't hit 12k yet! close.... tick tock tick tock.
Does that mean I will be able to know how I can get some of the bonuses when we hit 12k?
-
I think the box looks much nicer with the cutaway of the backs of the cards... Classy and good looking... I'm glad the Joker was removed from the box... Although I'm not overly critical of any artists work, I must say If I had my way the creepy looking Joker would be replaced with a more classic style bicycle Joker... Being this is a true Bicycle 808 Rider Back, it would be nice to have a classic Rainbow style Joker... I'm just saying... Am I alone that this joker looks a little like a reject from a Batman comic???
-
When I first saw it I thought it was like a vintage joker art from batman :L
-
Thanks for you're thoughts on the joker, this joker in fact is modeled after the joker from Batman. Its my trademark joker from the effect I have on the market called joker Monte, a brilliant effect created by David Neighbors. my favori te joker has always been the classic arrco joker from way back, so I took my joker and modified it as short of a tribute to the Arrco Joker. (the collar with the bells and the hat). I've always gotten compliments on it, in fact I've been asked to make t shirts with it and stuff, one guy even asked me if he could use it for a tattoo! To me all jokers jesters and clowns are creepy, but then I kinda like creepy.
-
Thanks for you're thoughts on the joker, this joker in fact is modeled after the joker from Batman. Its my trademark joker from the effect I have on the market called joker Monte, a brilliant effect created by David Neighbors. my favori te joker has always been the classic arrco joker from way back, so I took my joker and modified it as short of a tribute to the Arrco Joker. (the collar with the bells and the hat). I've always gotten compliments on it, in fact I've been asked to make t shirts with it and stuff, one guy even asked me if he could use it for a tattoo! To me all jokers jesters and clowns are creepy, but then I kinda like creepy.
When I saw it I instantly hought of Arrco, and the Batman joker, so you hit your target right on :)
-
Maybe we should have why so serious captioned ;)
-
Maybe we should have why so serious captioned ;)
I bet its trademarked or something, but even it it isn't it would look way to cheesy on this deck.
-
I was being sarcastic :L I always wanted one of the cards from the films but I think films and other things have their own place... I would never want a batman deck :L
-
Actually several of my friends said this is a variant of the Arrco joker and unfortunately that's why they don't pledge this deck :'( :'(
-
I'm just glad I don't have to look at the joker on the box...
-
Although I like the old box's back design better, I think the new one is almost as good, and I would much rather have that than the joker!
-
The of the boxisn`t very attractive to me. It just doesn`t look good to me.
-
The of the boxisn`t very attractive to me. It just doesn`t look good to me.
I agree, but I also think that it's really hard to make a good box for a "rainbow" deck!
-
Why not just have a rainbow riderback as a representation? And did we establish why it was black? To me the box isnt a deal breaker, but I must admit the black box thing is a bit... Throwing off - it's too aggressive.
-
Thanks for you're thoughts on the joker, this joker in fact is modeled after the joker from Batman. Its my trademark joker from the effect I have on the market called joker Monte, a brilliant effect created by David Neighbors. my favori te joker has always been the classic arrco joker from way back, so I took my joker and modified it as short of a tribute to the Arrco Joker. (the collar with the bells and the hat). I've always gotten compliments on it, in fact I've been asked to make t shirts with it and stuff, one guy even asked me if he could use it for a tattoo! To me all jokers jesters and clowns are creepy, but then I kinda like creepy.
When I saw it I instantly hought of Arrco, and the Batman joker, so you hit your target right on :)
Agreed! I thought of those two as well. It's different but it doesn't look bad. I think it works really well with this deck
-
I think the standard Bicycle 808 box but in black/grey/white would be awesome. It would be like The Wizard of Oz, startes out black and white (sepia really) and then becomes color.
Still asking....
Are the 'rainbow' cards on the bottom right of the uncut sheet still there?
I see on the Kickstarter page they are but I am not sure if it is up to date.
-
I think the standard Bicycle 808 box but in black/grey/white would be awesome. It would be like The Wizard of Oz, startes out black and white (sepia really) and then becomes color.
Still asking....
Are the 'rainbow' cards on the bottom right of the uncut sheet still there?
I see on the Kickstarter page they are but I am not sure if it is up to date.
Ah that's a brilliant idea!! That would look fantastic. I don't think any Bicycle deck has done that yet. It would be very Wizard of Ozish haha. I think many people would love that
-
I'll be posting the proof of the uncut when I get it sometime this coming week...
the routine that will be on the DVD will use the rainbow card(s) you saw, so at this time there's at least one of the rainbow cards.
I've come up with a couple other routines which could use a double backer, so the gaffs are still being decided.
The art dept. is working on the setting up the colors right now, so I have this weekend to make up my mind about the gaffs.
The gaffs are based on the routines for the DVD.
-
I'll be posting the proof of the uncut when I get it sometime this coming week...
the routine that will be on the DVD will use the rainbow card(s) you saw, so at this time there's at least one of the rainbow cards.
I've come up with a couple other routines which could use a double backer, so the gaffs are still being decided.
The art dept. is working on the setting up the colors right now, so I have this weekend to make up my mind about the gaffs.
The gaffs are based on the routines for the DVD.
I'm just going to say this. If the battle between the deck is to make the gaffs functional, or the uncut look good, the Magic should come first.
-
Woohoo! Just hit 12k! 400%!
-
Woohoo! Just hit 12k! 400%!
Awesome! Are you adding anything on or doing anything with the extra funds?
-
I'm just going to say this. If the battle between the deck is to make the gaffs functional, or the uncut look good, the Magic should come first.
Yeah, but there are a million gaff possibilities... and as much as I love Lance Miller's Actuators, the uncut is really marred by the 3 of spades on the back side.
How many other chances do we have of having a perfect 808 back uncut with 56 different colors? this could be the ONE, and I am really hopeful for that. It would be an amazing collectors piece.
-
I'm just going to say this. If the battle between the deck is to make the gaffs functional, or the uncut look good, the Magic should come first.
Yeah, but there are a million gaff possibilities... and as much as I love Lance Miller's Actuators, the uncut is really marred by the 3 of spades on the back side.
How many other chances do we have of having a perfect 808 back uncut with 56 different colors? this could be the ONE, and I am really hopeful for that. It would be an amazing collectors piece.
I do agree that a uncut of this deck would be awesome. I may think about getting one but idk. The thing about uncuts is I don`t like how they dont cost much more than a regular deck to get but they cost 5x the deck price to buy. This is with all uncuts not just this one.
-
Black-and-white or sepia tuck box: interesting idea but doesn't help sell the deck much. The current box gives the buyer an idea of its contents more effectively. IF you saw it sitting on the shelf at your local magic shop, you'd have a very clear idea of what kind of deck it was. I like the black background on this box, actually - it reminds me of the Pink Floyd album cover for "Dark Side of the Moon".
The argument for a 56-card spectrum uncut sheet is a good one - but it doesn't trump the fact that this is a deck first (and a magic deck at that), an uncut sheet second. If there's a few different cards needed, in particular one or two with a rainbow back, so be it. He's not making the deck because he thought it would be cool for collectors to have a wicked-looking uncut sheet; he's making it because it's a commercial-grade version of a deck that he previously had to make by hand in order to perform some of his magic tricks.
While I fully recognize that a poster isn't the same as an uncut sheet, he has created two different posters that show off only cards in different shades of color, with no rainbow backs or unsightly gaff cards - it won't have the collector's value, but it will have the beauty that an uncut sheet with that layout would have. And it's not as hard on the wallet to get, either!
-
Black-and-white or sepia tuck box: interesting idea but doesn't help sell the deck much. The current box gives the buyer an idea of its contents more effectively. IF you saw it sitting on the shelf at your local magic shop, you'd have a very clear idea of what kind of deck it was. I like the black background on this box, actually - it reminds me of the Pink Floyd album cover for "Dark Side of the Moon".
The argument for a 56-card spectrum uncut sheet is a good one - but it doesn't trump the fact that this is a deck first (and a magic deck at that), an uncut sheet second. If there's a few different cards needed, in particular one or two with a rainbow back, so be it. He's not making the deck because he thought it would be cool for collectors to have a wicked-looking uncut sheet; he's making it because it's a commercial-grade version of a deck that he previously had to make by hand in order to perform some of his magic tricks.
While I fully recognize that a poster isn't the same as an uncut sheet, he has created two different posters that show off only cards in different shades of color, with no rainbow backs or unsightly gaff cards - it won't have the collector's value, but it will have the beauty that an uncut sheet with that layout would have. And it's not as hard on the wallet to get, either!
Don, you are a gentleman and a scholar!! I couldn't have put it more perfectly!
Please guys, read Don's post regarding this. Please, it's simple... only purchase the uncut sheet if you like it! The poster looks AWESOME!
BTW, the proof will be posted soon, then you can decide. I have had much input on this, and more people like the rainbow/gaff SHOWING on the backs side of the uncut sheet than the front! I can't go back and forth anymore and will have to make the decision based on what I feel is best.
when it's all said and done, there will be just a fraction of uncuts produced, no where NEAR the number of decks. They are what they are...
Thanks again!!
-
A BIG thank you to all of you who pledged the kickstarter SPECTRUM deck project!
SOLD OUT OF THE GOLD SEAL DECKS! (please read the backers update for details)
WOW! Thanks again and again and again.......
coz
-
Hey Cosmo, I think the Gold and Black Seals is a great idea! Glad I got 3 gold ones. Also, I upped my pledge to get an additional black one!
-
Just saying, I think the gold and black seal is dumb... whats the point? Why not have more gold seal or more black seal?
-
Just saying, I think the gold and black seal is dumb... whats the point? Why not have more gold seal or more black seal?
the gold seal black seal thing doesn't hurt anyone, playing cards are not printed 1 deck at a time, they are printed in runs, which really is only important to the collector, if you're getting the deck to open and use then it doesn't really matter what seal is on it. it's like first edition printing of books. so there's really nothing dumb or smart about it. if the seals don't matter to you than it has no bearing. the good news is that those who would like the deck can still get it thanks to the second run. A commitment has to be made as to how many decks are being printed,if more or wanted or needed any second run has to be ordered . the collector likes to know whether or not they're getting the first or second run that's really all the seals are for, identification.
-
Just saying, I think the gold and black seal is dumb... whats the point? Why not have more gold seal or more black seal?
the gold seal black seal thing doesn't hurt anyone, playing cards are not printed 1 deck at a time, they are printed in runs, which really is only important to the collector, if you're getting the deck to open and use then it doesn't really matter what seal is on it. it's like first edition printing of books. so there's really nothing dumb or smart about it. if the seals don't matter to you than it has no bearing. the good news is that those who would like the deck can still get it thanks to the second run. A commitment has to be made as to how many decks are being printed,if more or wanted or needed any second run has to be ordered . the collector likes to know whether or not they're getting the first or second run that's really all the seals are for, identification.
I think the gold/black seal is pretty cool actually! I'm glad that there is a difference in the two runs as well. I might have to up for a black seal deck as well! Thanks for the update
-
Meh I see the point of the seal difference but in my opinion there's no real reason for it. The idea you have is that only collectors will care whether it is first, or second printing and that's why the seal is different - I don't think we (speaking as a collector myself) do care as this deck has very minimal collecting quality. No offense meant but you know why I got mine - the attracting thing to me is the different colours... It's great for magic and flourishing - but in terms of what collectors look for:
-Big name reputable company (this is your first deck)
-Few available (as soon as they ran out you said you'd print more)
-Intrinsic and time heavy design (it's just the riderback design coloured)
-Unbuyable (Gold arcane cough... In matter of fact we are half funding these)
-Specifically Designed for collectors (Red artifice etc, these were designed for magicians)
-Not designed to be sold (some magic decks make it big in the collecting world)
So like I say nice design, but apart from the bicycle name I don't think this is ever going to be collectable.
-
Great points hazaofhorsham, not a collector myself, nor having the ability to see the future, I'm just doing things the best I can in a way that's no harm either way. A second run will happen no matter what color the seal is, so why not change the color just for reference sake? Should the deck not be collectible then the seals won't matter anyway, should they become collectible, the seals will have been a good idea. No harm no foul either way. I spent many hours in discussion and planning of this deck, not with magicians as you might think, since it's initial reason is for magic and that's my area of expertise, but with some heavy hitter collectors. Hands down the advice to me was: limit the first run to 2500, which was all my budget could handle anyway, and in the event that the demand calls for more cards, identify the second run in some way, the seal being the most recommended.
I love the discussion but gold seal, black seal, pink seal, polka dotted seal, really doesn't hurt anything but does offer the identifier for those who might want it. I say if it means nothing to you tear it open and have some fun with them! And by the way with all the respect for your experience in the world, I'm told quite the opposite about the collect-ability of the cards. Just like the box, the uncuts, and the gaffs, I get 6 of one, 1/2 a dozen of the other. Of course theirs are just opinions as well... who knows?
to each his own!
Who'd have thought a crappy little plastic cracker jack toy that most people threw away could ever be worth thousands? Personally, and in all honesty, I'm just happy that I'll FINALLY have the deck in my hands to use!
-best!
Coz
-
Thanks Nathan! And again thanks brown_baggs for everything!
coz
-
Meh I see the point of the seal difference but in my opinion there's no real reason for it. The idea you have is that only collectors will care whether it is first, or second printing and that's why the seal is different - I don't think we (speaking as a collector myself) do care as this deck has very minimal collecting quality. No offense meant but you know why I got mine - the attracting thing to me is the different colours... It's great for magic and flourishing - but in terms of what collectors look for:
-Big name reputable company (this is your first deck)
-Few available (as soon as they ran out you said you'd print more)
-Intrinsic and time heavy design (it's just the riderback design coloured)
-Unbuyable (Gold arcane cough... In matter of fact we are half funding these)
-Specifically Designed for collectors (Red artifice etc, these were designed for magicians)
-Not designed to be sold (some magic decks make it big in the collecting world)
So like I say nice design, but apart from the bicycle name I don't think this is ever going to be collectable.
I have to differ with you on the points you've raised.
Some magicians actually do collect tricks as collectible items as well as useful props. To them, yes, there would be a difference in the first and second printings, just as there would be to card collectors in a "regular" custom playing card deck.
The other points:
- Big name reputable company
Apparently you aren't familiar with his work in creating card magic tricks and devices. He is a known name, not someone out of the blue. I own his Joker Monte, though I haven't quite mastered it yet, as well as one or two other tricks he's created! I'm not sure what magic decks he may have made before, but he has a good deal of experience in making cards just from the assorted gaffs he's had created.
- Few available
The first run is indeed a limited run. The second is not an infinite run, either. Both runs combined are only 5,000 decks - fewer than some D&D decks, I'd wager, and both runs are equal in quantity to a single print run of some of the rarer new decks on the market, like every single rare deck made by Ellusionist, the Black New Fan Backs, and so on.
- Intrinsic and Time-Heavy Design
The cards are still being tweaked, the box was redesigned twice, selecting the right shades may sound easy but it's not, and the work involved in printing this must be insane in terms of different inks and printing plates needed. I would guess this is a five-to-seven-color job including black and spot colors. It's not the most difficult deck ever made, but it wasn't like he took a stroll in his garden in the morning, decided "Hey, I'll make a deck today!," and had a finished design by dinner time.
If you count handmade prototypes, he's spent over TWENTY YEARS working on this deck's design and functionality as a magic deck. It's not just the pretty shapes and colors, it's how it works in front of the spectators that went into the design of this deck.
- Unbuyable
With only 5,000 decks made in both print runs, and the first run of 2,500 already sold out before the first deck's been printed, you won't exactly be finding this in Kmarts across the country... Even the Gold Arcane you referenced in your example is "buyable", just not from Ellusionist. Unbuyable would be an ancient Chinese deck from the first millennium CE which resides in a PRC museum, not Gold Arcane!
- Specifically Designed for collectors (Red artifice etc, these were designed for magicians)
First, as stated earlier, some people do collect magic props - this would be one of them. Second, they're not available in unlimited quantities, which is another thing that gets a collector's juices going.
Lastly, the Artifice deck v.1 was NOT "specifically designed for collectors", in either color. Every deck Ellusionist's made, even the limited-edition decks, were meant to be functional magic and cardistry decks as well as (with the exception of all the gaffed decks) a good set of playing cards. Otherwise, why bother with things like Magic Finish? If it never leaves the box and sits on a collector's shelf, the finish could be made of sandpaper and you'd never know the difference.
Collectibility is something the market determines, not something built into the design from the beginning - those who try making a deck collectible from the start with inadequate foundation for it to be so (Mismag822/AFCCC's "there's only five" decks, the Big Gun decks) don't usually fare very well. You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that a 1920s Racer Back deck, a pack of Jerry's Nugget, a deck of pre-USPCC Arrcos or even a pack of Smoke v.1 was "specifically designed for collectors", but they are all highly sought-after by them.
- Not designed to be sold
This baffles me. There are the giveaway limited-edition/premium decks like Ellusionist has. But are you trying to say that Smoke & Mirrors v.1 were NOT DESIGNED TO BE SOLD? Or any of the above-mentioned collectible decks, with the exception of "premium" decks like E's rarities? Think about this statement for a moment...
If you don't like the difference seal colors, more power to you - you're not being forced to buy the deck with either seal on it. But as I see it, your statements about what makes a deck collectible are just plain wrong.
-
LONG POST - READ IF INTERESTED OR DON... :)
Meh I see the point of the seal difference but in my opinion there's no real reason for it. The idea you have is that only collectors will care whether it is first, or second printing and that's why the seal is different - I don't think we (speaking as a collector myself) do care as this deck has very minimal collecting quality. No offense meant but you know why I got mine - the attracting thing to me is the different colours... It's great for magic and flourishing - but in terms of what collectors look for:
-Big name reputable company (this is your first deck)
-Few available (as soon as they ran out you said you'd print more)
-Intrinsic and time heavy design (it's just the riderback design coloured)
-Unbuyable (Gold arcane cough... In matter of fact we are half funding these)
-Specifically Designed for collectors (Red artifice etc, these were designed for magicians)
-Not designed to be sold (some magic decks make it big in the collecting world)
So like I say nice design, but apart from the bicycle name I don't think this is ever going to be collectable.
I have to differ with you on the points you've raised.
Some magicians actually do collect tricks as collectible items as well as useful props. To them, yes, there would be a difference in the first and second printings, just as there would be to card collectors in a "regular" custom playing card deck.
The other points:
- Big name reputable company
Apparently you aren't familiar with his work in creating card magic tricks and devices. He is a known name, not someone out of the blue. I own his Joker Monte, though I haven't quite mastered it yet, as well as one or two other tricks he's created! I'm not sure what magic decks he may have made before, but he has a good deal of experience in making cards just from the assorted gaffs he's had created.
- Few available
The first run is indeed a limited run. The second is not an infinite run, either. Both runs combined are only 5,000 decks - fewer than some D&D decks, I'd wager, and both runs are equal in quantity to a single print run of some of the rarer new decks on the market, like every single rare deck made by Ellusionist, the Black New Fan Backs, and so on.
- Intrinsic and Time-Heavy Design
The cards are still being tweaked, the box was redesigned twice, selecting the right shades may sound easy but it's not, and the work involved in printing this must be insane in terms of different inks and printing plates needed. I would guess this is a five-to-seven-color job including black and spot colors. It's not the most difficult deck ever made, but it wasn't like he took a stroll in his garden in the morning, decided "Hey, I'll make a deck today!," and had a finished design by dinner time.
If you count handmade prototypes, he's spent over TWENTY YEARS working on this deck's design and functionality as a magic deck. It's not just the pretty shapes and colors, it's how it works in front of the spectators that went into the design of this deck.
- Unbuyable
With only 5,000 decks made in both print runs, and the first run of 2,500 already sold out before the first deck's been printed, you won't exactly be finding this in Kmarts across the country... Even the Gold Arcane you referenced in your example is "buyable", just not from Ellusionist. Unbuyable would be an ancient Chinese deck from the first millennium CE which resides in a PRC museum, not Gold Arcane!
- Specifically Designed for collectors (Red artifice etc, these were designed for magicians)
First, as stated earlier, some people do collect magic props - this would be one of them. Second, they're not available in unlimited quantities, which is another thing that gets a collector's juices going.
Lastly, the Artifice deck v.1 was NOT "specifically designed for collectors", in either color. Every deck Ellusionist's made, even the limited-edition decks, were meant to be functional magic and cardistry decks as well as (with the exception of all the gaffed decks) a good set of playing cards. Otherwise, why bother with things like Magic Finish? If it never leaves the box and sits on a collector's shelf, the finish could be made of sandpaper and you'd never know the difference.
Collectibility is something the market determines, not something built into the design from the beginning - those who try making a deck collectible from the start with inadequate foundation for it to be so (Mismag822/AFCCC's "there's only five" decks, the Big Gun decks) don't usually fare very well. You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that a 1920s Racer Back deck, a pack of Jerry's Nugget, a deck of pre-USPCC Arrcos or even a pack of Smoke v.1 was "specifically designed for collectors", but they are all highly sought-after by them.
- Not designed to be sold
This baffles me. There are the giveaway limited-edition/premium decks like Ellusionist has. But are you trying to say that Smoke & Mirrors v.1 were NOT DESIGNED TO BE SOLD? Or any of the above-mentioned collectible decks, with the exception of "premium" decks like E's rarities? Think about this statement for a moment...
If you don't like the difference seal colors, more power to you - you're not being forced to buy the deck with either seal on it. But as I see it, your statements about what makes a deck collectible are just plain wrong.
I appreciate that magicians create tricks - but magic trick vs card collectors? I would say there are more playing card collectors - and would reason this with the fact that big name magicians (DB, D&D, and the likes) go into the card market once they establish a name - lee asher is the same. It's okay to say that these magicians started their card line as their personal props but let's face it if you make a deck of cards as a prop you wouldn't produce a whole line? Maybe just a couple, each an improvement on the last, for example DB relaesed the Tally Ho lions, bee split spades, split spades lions, white lions - all in different colors. I have seem some mad trick collectors - with libraries full of books and props. Again I appreciate that he is a relatively big name in magic, but in terms of the whole magic and card community I am not overly sure. Please don't think I am just being negative I am just trying to be realistic - you may have your own opinion and that is fine, you obviously know of him because you have an earlier trick. Also, this isn't the first normal deck to rainbow trick. Magic makers did a similiar trick as well.
Big name reputable company?
Again I am not saying he isn't known in magic - I am saying he isn't known for his cards. I mean I wouldn't buy a E deck based on their magic selection? If they make a gaff dvd it could have some of the best sleights and tricks on it but I have no idea of the quality of the cards and so I wouldn't immediatly start collecting. If they produce a few and you think "Wow these are amazing" then the next few decks you will start collecting. This is true for any new area you are breaching into.
Few avaliable?
2,500 decks is a limited run agreed but a deck is only as limited as it's design run AND it's distribution. Look at the BG1E - the first lot were a run of 5,000 - but you couldn't get them. If you could buy them they wouldn't be rare. It took about 4 years to get all of them into circulation - where as this deck will be to the public by the end of the summer (my bet). To make a deck truly rare doesn't just mean a limited run, it meant limiting the AVALIABLITY. There is a difference. Would you say the Bicycle Pirate Decks were rare? By your logic they are, and I would add that their rarity is even higher as they come in sets. Furthermore, the distribution of this deck can't be controlled... It is available to everyone with a credit card (sorry paypal guys) who heard about it. Again it's the whole avalibility isn't just the number of decks.
Intrinsic and Time-Heavy Design?
I admit the is probably my fault - I by no means meant to say this deck was a cop out. I wasn't saying Coz had speant no time - I was saying that the designs that are successfully rare are new and abstract - they challenge cards. Gold Arcanes aren't just limited - they are beautiful cards. I am not saying this spectrum isnt awesome - but the riderback isn't a new creative design. I think what Cos has done is amazing. But for this trick to work the cards have to be common, he said so himself.
Unbuyable?
Again these are readily avaliable. They are on kickstarter and if you argue - like you did earlier - that the second run will also be limited, well it's still out there. I mean I had a couple of weeks to decide whether to get this 'collectible' deck - and that diminshes the point. Also I think you are forgetting the fundamentals about kickstarter - one of the biggest boost is a reseller buying a load of decks - Cos has sold 5 of his top three packages, which are aimed at resellers. One bought 300 decks - they will appear all over the place in large numbers. Again diminishing the collectibility. I can't emphasize enough that it's the avalibility of the cards.
Specifically designed for collectors?
This isn't. Fact. I mean it's a limited run and everything - but from what I have read from Coz, he doesn't want this to be collectible. He has said time and time again "I want people to like the magic" "the deck is a trick, it's for magicians". He has spent a lot of time and effort making the dvd to show the trick. He wants it performed, not on a shelf for someone to go in twenty years time "this was a great trick, I wanted to keep it all intact". I get the impression he likes the look of broken and used decks. In my opinion he isn't in the market of extorting collectors... No mentions D&D. The red artifice decks were designed to be highly sort after, same as BG1E and gold arcanes. Yeah they look awesome and have functioning magic capabilities but you know they are made for for collectors. You know it's marketing. If a deck isn't designed to be collectible - can you tell me why E would authorize a 5000 deck run (costing around $15,000) to not be sold? The thing with the the finish and quality of the decks? That's for the reason I stated earlier? E can do things like that because they are a big name and have people who will vouch for their quality. A deck has to be of high quality - otherwise people wouldn't collect it. Jerry's were unknown and worthless... A few magicians use them and are like "Wow these are great for the flourishes we do" and bang - instantly collectible. Agreed collectibility is something the market determines - but at the base it is supply vs demand. Increase the demand and decrease the supply proportionaltly increases the collectibility. A crap deck that looks horrible would be lucky to sell a 100. A great deck looking beautiful from a big name with good marketing would sell loads... But if loads aren't availible people get desperate and pay higher giving higher prices and you can see where it gets.
Not designed to be sold?
I wasn't on about E or D&D. I mean that some decks aren't sold at all. I believe early DB decks were his to use, I know the sepia split spades lions were his personal stash. Also I know other magicians who create a deck for their show - they aren't going to sell the deck sometimes it's a giveaway to their customers, others it's just a few left over (the card ninja in japan did this, green tally ho I believe was a similar thing)
You seem to be under the impression I meant a collectible deck falls under all of these areas - no, it just normally falls under a few. Go on name a rare deck, and try not to fit it under a catergory?
In essence my argument says two facts in a detailed more round about way:
1. Few avaliable (in the unbuyable, not design to be sold and few avaliable)
2. High demand (Big name reputable company, intrinsic and time heavy design, designed for collectors)
As I stated above it is a simple equation: Supple < Demand = Collectable.
I respect all of your authority on the discourse and when I first saw people calling you Don, I genuinly thought it was because you were like the head (as in the mafia, the big boss) - You know your cards and I don't particularly want to be embroiled in a debate with you but we both have opposite opinions. You have yours, I have mine - we'll have to wait a few years to find out who is correct. Maybe then I'll regret that I didn't buy more gold seals when I could, maybe I'll be greatful. Who knows? Thank you for your side of things because it clarified that some of my things seemed unfounded - but yeah I hope I answered your points.
Thanks
-
I think it's a great idea. It is fun for both him, collectors, and magician, and doesn't cost anything extra. + it looks nice!
-
Those are some long posts :P
Cosmo, will the decks be available after Kickstarter too? I don't have money to buy these at the moment.
-
yes they will, I plan on having them available for the magic dealers...
-
Cosmo - how many decks of the Gold Seal were made available on kickstarter? Because you said you sold out the other night buy I only count 1261 sold decks... I am thinking only half of the 2500 run?
-
Cosmo - how many decks of the Gold Seal were made available on kickstarter? Because you said you sold out the other night buy I only count 1261 sold decks... I am thinking only half of the 2500 run?
I think maybe he is keeping the rest for himself... Although it does seem like a lot!
-
Cosmo - how many decks of the Gold Seal were made available on kickstarter? Because you said you sold out the other night buy I only count 1261 sold decks... I am thinking only half of the 2500 run?
I think maybe he is keeping the rest for himself... Although it does seem like a lot!
I'd be guessing those would go to resellers or something. I doubt he need that many extras haha
-
Cosmo - how many decks of the Gold Seal were made available on kickstarter? Because you said you sold out the other night buy I only count 1261 sold decks... I am thinking only half of the 2500 run?
I think maybe he is keeping the rest for himself... Although it does seem like a lot!
I'd be guessing those would go to resellers or something. I doubt he need that many extras haha
I meant to say he is keeping them for himself to resell them afterwards, once the prices will have increased.
PS: I just reached 4 days spent online on AC!
-
@hazofhorsham: We don't see completely eye to eye on this, but at least you understood what I was getting across and it helped to refine your ideas about this deck and collectible decks in general. What more could a person ask for?
My "authority" around here is fiction! Some people appreciate my opinions and respect them, others probably think I'm full of cow dung. I write a lot so my posts appear in front of more faces and more people make up their minds about who I am. But I have no more authority around here than you do. It's a community, not a hierarchy.
-
Nathan the question wasn't where the others were going, it was just how many were around in the kickstarter thingymajig - I figured he'd have a few for himself ;) and his site etc etc.
Don - Yeah I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Although I agree with what you've said, but a community is sorta hierarchical. You're impression of someone makes you biased either side of what they say - if you respect someone you'll listen, if not you'll take it with a pinch of salt. Ah well life is life.
-
Regarding the 2500 decks... Originally this wasn't going to be a kickstarter project, as I've stated, I had committed to the production no matter what. So I had a couple of dealers lined up already who wanted pretty high numbers.
In fact, I WAS planning on hanging on to at least a few dozen for myself, again not knowing how they'd sell. Once I did the math I realized that I will end up with very little for myself! In fact I'm hoping to renegotiate a few dozen to keep for me, but the commitments to the dealers have been made and of course I'll have to honor it!
Coz
-
Regarding the 2500 decks... Originally this wasn't going to be a kickstarter project, as I've stated, I had committed to the production no matter what. So I had a couple of dealers lined up already who wanted pretty high numbers.
In fact, I WAS planning on hanging on to at least a few dozen for myself, again not knowing how they'd sell. Once I did the math I realized that I will end up with very little for myself! In fact I'm hoping to renegotiate a few dozen to keep for me, but the commitments to the dealers have been made and of course I'll have to honor it!
Coz
Well, perhaps you'll modify/improve the deck somehow, and Spectrum v2 will be born... If you upgrade it, it's not a straight-up reprinting; you're making a new deck based on but not identical to the old one.
-
The box looks so awesome! I love the back of the box, its a new idea to me and I really like it. Awesome work Cosmo!
52Cartes posted this pic today.
-
Wow! I really like the back, but I think it looks weird with the cards being cut off. I feel it would look better if the cards were slightly smaller so they weren't cut off, but overall it's no big deal.
-
Wow! I really like the back, but I think it looks weird with the cards being cut off. I feel it would look better if the cards were slightly smaller so they weren't cut off, but overall it's no big deal.
I like the cut-off - it implies there are more cards. It looks like a close-up section of an uncut.
-
Wow! I really like the back, but I think it looks weird with the cards being cut off. I feel it would look better if the cards were slightly smaller so they weren't cut off, but overall it's no big deal.
I like the cut-off - it implies there are more cards. It looks like a close-up section of an uncut.
I had realized the back implied there were more cards, but I hadn't noticed how until you posted. Thx.
@Cosmo Solano - How come poster #2 costs so much more than #1?
-
I'm telling ya, Don Boyer takes the words right outta my mouth over and over... Yes the design is meant to imply that there's "more".
The original box had 52 little tiny cards on it and it just wasn't going to print right. glad you like the box... I have gotten several emails saying they were mad that the joker's no longer on the box! everyone has their own taste! I'm happy with the box now!
Poster Number 2 is more, mostly because it cost me more to print it, I didn't have a good source and WAY over paid, I also was so anxious that I printed them, then I changed the name from SPECTRUM 52 to the SPECTRUM deck. So whether or or not there's value in the name change thing will remain to be seen. OKAY NO debates on that! :-) Putting it on kickstarter really is more of an experiment, since this poster would not be reprinted due to the name change, I was wondering if there might be an interest, a little so far, we'll see how it goes!
.
Thanks
-
Ahh, ok I understand about the box now, and now that you put it like that, I really enjoy it!
-
I'm telling ya, Don Boyer takes the words right outta my mouth over and over... Yes the design is meant to imply that there's "more".
Got any paid openings for a spokesperson, you let me know! :))
-
I'm happy to post this...
"Hey all! I received the 2nd revision of the proofs early this morning and approved them! As mentioned, I decided that while the colors looked great, they could be BETTER! So I painstakingly changed 44 of the 56 card back colors and now the colors blend even better than ever!
I spent an entire day adjusting and experimenting with the colors, then sent them on to a professional graphic designer to double check for me and it was WELL WORTH IT!
Here's an image of the proof I received from the USPCC this morning...
(this image is also on the project home page here on kickstarter along with the uncut of the card faces)"
(http://www.tricksite.com/spectrum/images/uncut-b.jpg)
I'm VERY happy that that those 2 "rainbow" cards are gone! I'll be placing my order later today!
Also, here's the tuck box proof
(http://www.tricksite.com/spectrum/content/images/tuckboxfull.jpg)
I really like the flap!
Good work Cosmo! I'm looking forward to adding this deck to my collection, and having the uncut on my wall!
CBJ
-
I love the flap on the box! That is a great little addition. The colors do look a little better but they looked fine to me before! :P
Good luck and I hope it all goes well!
-
and i am going to repledge again.... thank god those horrible rainbow cards are gone!
-
@CBJ: thanks for the post!
@magicaddictz: Yeah, the colors looked great before but there were a few that were too "close" to each other and once I tweaked one, it created a domino effect!
I then decided if I was going to mess with them I might as well go through with a fine tooth comb! The yellow to green is better, th purple to red, better over all, while fine before, just better now!
ummm, well thanks for the "kind words" Russell... :-) I think.
Thanks!
-
@CBJ: thanks for the post!
@magicaddictz: Yeah, the colors looked great before but there were a few that were too "close" to each other and once I tweaked one, it created a domino effect!
I then decided if I was going to mess with them I might as well go through with a fine tooth comb! The yellow to green is better, th purple to red, better over all, while fine before, just better now!
ummm, well thanks for the "kind words" Russell... :-) I think.
Thanks!
It seems that Russ, like a number of others, thought the one or two rainbow-backed cards that you were planning to include at one point so badly marred the appearance of the uncut sheet that they were put off of investing. Now that it's gone, they're thrilled and bumping up their investments or reinvesting.
Any news on what the joker backs are colored and what gaff cards you made with this new design?
-
will you be changing the back of the box ?? they seriously look awful .. that is just what i think although hardly seem but the back and front of the box sort of dun have a link ..
-
will you be changing the back of the box ?? they seriously look awful .. that is just what i think although hardly seem but the back and front of the box sort of dun have a link ..
I think the back of the box is meant to have a functional purpose rather than an aesthetic one. Since each back is a different colour, it can't really show one back to suit all of them that would properly describe the backs of the cards visually. I'm sure I also just read him saying that putting all of the cards' backs on the box was too cluttered and wouldn't print well. So, he went for a happy medium of showing a few card backs to give an idea of what the cards look like.
-
I think the box looks great... I'm proud to say that this will be my first uncut sheet and will look great framed...
-
will you be changing the back of the box ?? they seriously look awful .. that is just what i think although hardly seem but the back and front of the box sort of dun have a link ..
Would you explain why you think the back of the box looks awful? What specifically triggers this response? Do you have an idea as to how you think it would look better?
As discussed above, the original design of showing all 56 card backs was impractical - they'd be too small to recognize as cards. The compromise idea which is the current design gives the idea that there are many colors on the backs, more than is visible on the box, by appearing to be a close-up of a section of the back of an uncut sheet of Spectrum. I'm rather fond of the compromise idea since it conveys the concept of there being more without actually having to show more. Did you have something in mind that somehow improves upon this?
You "dun" need a link to the front and back - they're already HERE, on this topic. Look hard, you'll find them.
Now I am "dun".
-
"dun"
THANK YOU! :D
-
"dun"
THANK YOU! :D
Please, there's no need for applause... Just throw money! Large bills are preferred...
-
big lesson learned, you can't please everyone! I understand some like the box some don't, some like the uncuts some don't. The main product is the deck. Period. I would say if the design of the box is more important to you than the product itself, and you don't like the box, it's probably not for you.
I was happy to see that Russell cancelled his pledge on the uncut since he didn't like it (and pleased to see he repledged) but I couldn't change it based on one person's point of view. the changes made have always been my best attempt to be of service to the overall product. I actually got MANY more responses in favor of the Joker box but still felt the box had a purpose to serve. I had many other designs that I was going to post and get thoughts but after seeing the drastically different opinions I realized it would just be opening up debates and not get anywhere. Again for everyone who liked one thing there has been someone else who didn't like it...
Thanks for everything everyone!
coz
-
big lesson learned, you can't please everyone! I understand some like the box some don't, some like the uncuts some don't. The main product is the deck. Period. I would say if the design of the box is more important to you than the product itself, and you don't like the box, it's probably not for you.
I was happy to see that Russell cancelled his pledge on the uncut since he didn't like it (and pleased to see he repledged) but I couldn't change it based on one person's point of view. the changes made have always been my best attempt to be of service to the overall product. I actually got MANY more responses in favor of the Joker box but still felt the box had a purpose to serve. I had many other designs that I was going to post and get thoughts but after seeing the drastically different opinions I realized it would just be opening up debates and not get anywhere. Again for everyone who liked one thing there has been someone else who didn't like it...
Thanks for everything everyone!
coz
Stick to your artistic (and illusionist) vision! It's why this deck exists in the first place.
-
This deck is a class act... The cards are great... The box is great... The uncut sheet is great (and I don't like uncut sheets)... As for anyone who has anything to say about it... Go buy the Devo April Fools deck, that's probably more your style...
-
Wow thanks JM, Don!
Coz
-
10 hours left!
Get your decks NOW!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1790617455/the-spectrum-deck?ref=search
CBJ
-
Funding successful with 704% and 476 backers! Congratulations Cosmo Solano!
I realised I pledged on the 27th February, just as the second print run with black seals was being offered! So, it seems I just missed out on the first run which is a shame, but nevertheless, I'm looking forward to handling these cards. Although, like the Fantastique decks, I don't think I'm going to want to shuffle them!
-
Funding successful with 704% and 476 backers! Congratulations Cosmo Solano!
I realised I pledged on the 27th February, just as the second print run with black seals was being offered! So, it seems I just missed out on the first run which is a shame, but nevertheless, I'm looking forward to handling these cards. Although, like the Fantastique decks, I don't think I'm going to want to shuffle them!
holy shit i feel like a retard. I just looked at my fantastique deck to see what you were talking about and never realized the animation on the back... haha!
I cant wait for these decks either I pledged for 6 1st ed + 1 2nd edition!!
-
Congrats ont the deck! I must admit that I did not see this deck going this far! I hope to get them in the near future.
-
Congradulations of Funding, I didn`t pledge because I just didnt feel that it was my kind of deck, But Congratz nontheless.
-
Thanks everyone for everything!
Very excited right now, what a huge success this was for me!
Between kickstarter and the prior commitments to my distributor and a few other larger distributors I came close to needing a third edition!
Thanks all!
Coz
-
Congratulations on the funding! Let's hope the whole printing process goes smoothly and we could have these decks in our hands in no time!
-
Well, all looks good on scheduled production, as expected we should ship these in April.
There are no issues and there won't be any changes, in fact all has been approved now for over a week.
Thanks for all the Kudos!
coz
-
Well, all looks good on scheduled production, as expected we should ship these in April.
There are no issues and there won't be any changes, in fact all has been approved now for over a week.
Thanks for all the Kudos!
coz
That sounds great, but remember - at this stage, it's all in USPC's hands! They have a unique knack of finding ways and reasons for delaying some print jobs, particularly if you are an independent operator and not a big company. Just don't make any promises the USPC won't let you keep! :))
-
Before the funding end .. i managed to pledge for 3 decks .. normally i would go for the brick .. but not money .. trying to save up money liao
-
Yes I know Don, that's exactly why I choose my words carefully! As I said, so far, everything has gone nicely, including getting on the print Queue as expected.
And that's also why I make sure everyone knoww I'll keep them updated. Stuff happens and if it does we'll keep an eye on it!
Over all I know how long some have waited for their decks, and that sometimes uspcc is blamed, but as I've discovered, some of the delays were actually just that, blamed on USPCC even though there were other reasons...
I worked with them years ago, they had the same reputation of being difficult etc, but they were awesome to me then as they have been lately!
Thanks again Don!
-
Congrats! I unfortunately had to remove my pledge at the last moment, but congrats nonetheless!
-
Yeah I noticed that! :-(
LOL no problem I just noticed cuz I recognized your name from here...
thanks anyway no problem!
Coz
-
Hey everyone... I'm quite a bit less experienced in the world of card collecting than most of you, with the SPECTRUM deck I've gotten many requests for signed decks. One person asked me to "carefully" open the cellophane, sign the box and put the box back into the cellophane. I know how much of a pain that is as I do an effect that requires that.
Is it common to sign ON the cellophane, or remove the cellophane and sign the box?
With several hundred decks to sign it will take FOREVER to remove and replace the box!
Thanks in advance!
Oh just for fun, if you haven't seen it yet, here's a photo my rep at USPCC sent me:
(http://www.tricksite.com/spectrum/content/images/cut%20sheet%20pic.jpg)
Coz
-
Different people sign differently. D&D signs on cello, Lance does what was requested I you and others sign on the tuck without cello. You are the one doing the signing, so do what you are comfortable with.
-
I think it would be best to sign on the box not the cello because the cello signing could rub off/ smudge. Also that picture looks awesome! Kinda wishing I would have pledged for one now...
-
I would sign on the cello because it doesn't rub off and it preserves as much of the value of the deck as possible. Those uncuts look awesome Coz. Grats on the printing!
-
I personally would sign on the cello. As Nathan stated, it preserves value. Also, I have never had one of my cello signed decks smudge or lose the sig over time
-
I was told by a few others that there's no issue with the cello smudging as well!
thanks!
BTW there will still be a few uncuts available on my site later, shortly after I get everything shipped etc.
coz
-
I need some decks and uncut...where is this site?
-
I need some decks and uncut...where is this site?
Right here: http://www.cosmosolano.com/trickstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=20
-
Awesome, thank you for the link. $15...limits how many I will get
-
well there is the Kickstarter coupon code...
saves you a few bucks
type kickstarter into the coupon code there.
-
Thank you for the code, Cosmo. I will be sure to use it
-
there is no problem at signing the cellophane .. i have 2 set of new fan back that is signed none of the signature is sort of rubbing off
-
there is no problem at signing the cellophane .. i have 2 set of new fan back that is signed none of the signature is sort of rubbing off
While there are no issues with a signature rubbing off if the signature isn't fresh and still wet, there are benefits to having the cellophane removed before signing.
I have decks in both states - signed right on the box, and signed on the cellophane. I'll use examples of both.
I have some David Blaine White Lions decks that are signed on the box. I opened one and carry it sometimes for use. A collector could say, "Wow, you've killed the value of that deck," but if I bust that out for performing a trick, my spectator (or friend, family member, co-worker, etc.) will often say something to the effect of, "Holy cow, that's David Blaine's autograph! When did you meet him? That's so cool!"
I have a Bicycle Brimstone deck signed by Russ Kercheval that's signed on the cellophane. The deck is still sealed and wrapped. To a collector, that's like the Holy Grail. But to me, it might as well be sealed in amber unless I don't care about losing the collectible value of the deck. You could say the same about the above example, to be sure, but with the signature on the cellophane, I also have to be careful to preserve the cellophane on the box after it's been opened if I want to retain that signature for "show-off" purposes to spectators or friends. One mistake opening that wrapper or handling it after it's been opened and the signature is destroyed. I could somehow tape the cellophane down to preserve it, but then it looks like crap, and what's the point?
That doesn't mean I don't like my autographed Brimstone pack. But it does mean that I'll be far less likely to use it as an "active" part of my collection.
But I'm so far off topic here, it's ridiculous. Guys - on the subject of the Spectrum deck - I can't wait to get mine!
Cosmo, I just filled out my survey earlier this evening - everyone else, if you kickstarted this one, what are you waiting for?! :))
-
Thanks Don, yeah! What are you waiting for??? There's still a good percentage that haven't filled it out, we're getting geared up for shipping!!!
-
Don i know what you are trying to say ..
i have both deck signed on the box and on the cellophane ..
i have a black crown deck signed by alex pandrea on the box so the cellophane is taken off but i dun really use the deck because the deck is like so precious to me and i am afraid when i bring it out to perform i will damage the box .. when i perform magic to my friend i will take out my card and put the box in my pocket after my performance i take back out the box , the box is normally damaged .. so in the end i just open another black crown deck to play with it instead of using the signed black crown deck .. and also a few day ago i just take the deck out again because i want to check if it is in a stack when i take out the deck , the deck does not handle really well maybe is because of the humid
i have 3 set of zennethkok new fan back uncut .. 1 not signed , 1 signed on the box , 1 signed on the front .. regardless of whether they are signed or not they are very precious to me .. i did not open any of the signed deck you guys might think what the point of it and it is just collecting all the dust .. but i will put my signed deck stacking on top of my collection or i would put it at a very visible location so people can see the signed deck and they might say cool did you meet the person who signed it and it would also naturally start a conversation and again it would be sort of a ice breaker and i can start to perform trick to the person ..
i like both of the way i have my decks signed .. i normally buy more than 1 decks so if i have a deck signed on the cellophane i would open another deck to play with .. if i have a deck signed on the deck itself i would just keep a deck and also open another deck
-
Cosmo, I just filled out my survey earlier this evening - everyone else, if you kickstarted this one, what are you waiting for?! :))
From the Kickstarter update: "NOT ALL SURVEYS WILL GO OUT TODAY!"
So, I'm going to go with: I'm still waiting for the survey.
-
Hey, Big H, I have to ask you...
i have 3 set of zennethkok new fan back uncut .. 1 not signed , 1 signed on the box , 1 signed on the front ..
...just how big is the box that the uncut came in, and how on earth did they wrap it in cellophane? ???
Cosmo, I just filled out my survey earlier this evening - everyone else, if you kickstarted this one, what are you waiting for?! :))
From the Kickstarter update: "NOT ALL SURVEYS WILL GO OUT TODAY!"
So, I'm going to go with: I'm still waiting for the survey.
Droll. Very droll. 8)
-
Cos, will the decks be available at any resellers? I probably only want one deck and could combine that with other decks with another reseller?
-
most magic retailers will have them... my distributor is Murphy's magic supplies, this particular item isn't an exclusive so other retailers outside their customer base can get them as well.
I beleive there will be at least one or two card dealers online who will have them so far.
I will also post the uncuts on my site as I will have some available.
-
there is no problem at signing the cellophane .. i have 2 set of new fan back that is signed none of the signature is sort of rubbing off
While there are no issues with a signature rubbing off if the signature isn't fresh and still wet, there are benefits to having the cellophane removed before signing.
I have decks in both states - signed right on the box, and signed on the cellophane. I'll use examples of both.
I have some David Blaine White Lions decks that are signed on the box. I opened one and carry it sometimes for use. A collector could say, "Wow, you've killed the value of that deck," but if I bust that out for performing a trick, my spectator (or friend, family member, co-worker, etc.) will often say something to the effect of, "Holy cow, that's David Blaine's autograph! When did you meet him? That's so cool!"
I have a Bicycle Brimstone deck signed by Russ Kercheval that's signed on the cellophane. The deck is still sealed and wrapped. To a collector, that's like the Holy Grail. But to me, it might as well be sealed in amber unless I don't care about losing the collectible value of the deck. You could say the same about the above example, to be sure, but with the signature on the cellophane, I also have to be careful to preserve the cellophane on the box after it's been opened if I want to retain that signature for "show-off" purposes to spectators or friends. One mistake opening that wrapper or handling it after it's been opened and the signature is destroyed. I could somehow tape the cellophane down to preserve it, but then it looks like crap, and what's the point?
That doesn't mean I don't like my autographed Brimstone pack. But it does mean that I'll be far less likely to use it as an "active" part of my collection.
I completely understand your point.
Technically as magicians and collectors we would need 1 signed on the cellophane, 1 signed underneath the cellophane, and 2 non-signed (1 to keep and 1 to play with). + some extras to resell :P
-
I completely understand your point.
Technically as magicians and collectors we would need 1 signed on the cellophane, 1 signed underneath the cellophane, and 2 non-signed (1 to keep and 1 to play with). + some extras to resell :P
Magicians need two. One to use, one in case the first one gets trashed during a trick.
Collectors need the entire print run but will settle for what they can get. :))
-
@Don loved your comment. i love using standered decks just because there are so many. :)
-
I suggest one to show, one to save, one to open and display and one to practice with, one to practice torn and restored card, one to replace that one, one to frame, one for every room so you can always admire them, one to keep in your briefcase, one for the road, one in each pocket, one in the fridge, one in each sock, one for the front yard and one for the back, one for the garage, and one for a rainy day. and a spare one for each of the others mentioned.
that should cover you and then I could retire early.
-
I suggest one to show, one to save, one to open and display and one to practice with, one to practice torn and restored card, one to replace that one, one to frame, one for every room so you can always admire them, one to keep in your briefcase, one for the road, one in each pocket, one in the fridge, one in each sock, one for the front yard and one for the back, one for the garage, and one for a rainy day. and a spare one for each of the others mentioned.
that should cover you and then I could retire early.
But let's not forget the house of cards they can build and live in, too - you have kids to put through college, don't you? :))
-
great Idea!!! Add what he said...
-
I suggest one to show, one to save, one to open and display and one to practice with, one to practice torn and restored card, one to replace that one, one to frame, one for every room so you can always admire them, one to keep in your briefcase, one for the road, one in each pocket, one in the fridge, one in each sock, one for the front yard and one for the back, one for the garage, and one for a rainy day. and a spare one for each of the others mentioned.
that should cover you and then I could retire early.
But let's not forget the house of cards they can build and live in, too - you have kids to put through college, don't you? :))
Why not also make a playing card college for your kids while you are at it? Generations of success!