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Hello all :)

I've been working on the box design (for the Fire Red deck) and am hoping for some feedback on the two design drafts below (I'm stuck on which one to finalise:))





Any thoughts you have are most welcome!

Annette :)

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Design & Development / Re: Feedback on custom deck
« on: March 31, 2017, 11:19:51 AM »
Hi Dan - I only just went through your thread and was sorry to get to the end to see that you cancelled your campaign :(
Despite not being a die-hard alien fan, I like your artwork and it was a fascinating ride to see the design changes you made on route to launch. It's hard when life gets in the way - and sometimes impatience plays its part too ;) I'm sure you will do well with this deck and wish you luck for the re-launch :)
*wave*

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Oh Heck yes!!!! Stunning is a good word. Bold and gently intense. Can't wait to shuffle these.

-eh

Thank you Eddie :) Bold and gently intense - I really like that!
*wave*
Annette :)

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Thank you so much Cardfool - I can't tell you how much your positive and enthusiastic feedback means. :)

I'd love to release this with both the Fire Red and Underwater Blue back (with matching tuckboxes) - either both together - or if more practical, one could be a stretch goal. I'm starting on the box(es) now, with updates to follow soon :)

*wave*

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Thanks for your advice ecNate and for popping in - much appreciated  :)

It's been a while, but finally dexterity is coming back and I'm delighted to to pick this project up again :)

Thanks for the feedback on the Jokers - it's great to have fresh eyes and pointers :)
Helshawk, I liked your suggestion to rearrange the 'hanging off hat' pips - and the red Joker now has a diamond on the hat and a heart earring :) To make it fair, the blue Joker also received a few small tweaks to make those hanging pips more part of the hat:



VIZAĜO - the card back design

I wanted the back of the cards to be part of the face theme, with lots of colour and detail. The drawing process has been so much fun and I do hope you enjoy end result :)


Cleaned up line drawings for the back design

Fire Red


Underwater Blue


And the two colour versions side by side ...


Thanks for looking and take care!
Annette :)


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Design & Development / Re: Feedback on card back?
« on: March 19, 2017, 07:38:42 AM »
Hi Frosty,
You have some interesting elements going on in your design, like Skinny I'm definitely seeing the arched ceiling, pillars and dome ... :) Line-weight variation can add interest and depth, using thick vs thin to emphasise different aspects of a design. At the moment there's a bit of competition and overlap happening with your line weights, which a bit of cleaning up should fix. You could opt for a single line weight to give the design the look of an architectural drawing or isometric sketch... or refine variation to line by considering which parts of the design are 'closest', 'most important' or 'largest' as a way of deciding line thickness.

Naturally, the design and idea has to work for you, so the above are just my 2 cents ;) Looking forward to seeing more cards :)
*wave*

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Hi Sunish,

Just wanted to say I was heaps excited to receive my Divine Art Playing Cards in the post - the cards look great and the little booklet included with the deck makes it extra special. Definitely worth waiting for :) Congratulations!   :bosswalk:

Annette :)

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Design & Development / Re: Best USA fulfillment service for Playing Cards?
« on: February 11, 2017, 09:45:55 PM »
Skinny, they look absolutely gorgeous!! I am so so SO happy to see them in action  :D

I agree, the deck looks amazing and so much fun - with infinite possibilities :)

I too am curious about fulfilment solutions from Australia. To date, I have been shipping my decks directly - and while postage to the US isn't as expensive as to some European countries, anything that cuts down on shipping cost for backers is a good thing :)

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Sorry to hear about you finger breaking! I hope you have a speedy recovery. I love what you've done with the deck (I've been lurking for a while on this particular thread).

Thanks so much intlgrrl :) I'm glad you like and I'm truly excited about finishing this deck - the support and feedback here has been both amazing and super inspiring :) I'm sad and sorry about the delay, especially as my finger is taking a little longer to heal than originally expected, though as soon as it's bendable I'll be right on track to complete the back and box :) There's this saying that 'everything happens for a reason' - somehow the universe wants me to slow down at the moment and while it is hard to... perhaps it is a good thing :)

Looking great, hope you recover soon!

When and where can we expect to see this available for (pre) sale?  Will this be a KickStarter or other pre-sale method, are your printing direct and then selling from stock?

Hi ecNate and thanks for stopping by :) At this stage I'm planning to launch the deck as my first KickStarter campaign - as soon as I have the back and box designs I will be seeking quotes from EPCC and Legends and start building the campaign... 

There's a lot for me to learn, so any advice is absolutely more than welcome :) :)  I'm currently thinking that as the artwork is bold and colourful throughout the deck, the first printing goal wouldn't need additional 'bells & whistles' (possibly a custom seal) - stretch goal could include synthetic tuck case and/or printing on the inside of the tuck ... and maybe a booklet or coins (though I need to look into those kind of extras :)) I also need to work out which option is best in terms of fulfilment, and if using a fulfilment company is preferable to sending decks from Australia.

Anyways... I am (again) really, really sorry about this unfortunate delay - hoping you're all well and enjoying life. *wave* from our ongoing record heatwave in the land downunder :)

Annette :)

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Fabulous job on the whole deck.   It looks fantastic.  If i may make a wee critique of the jokers, here is my take.  I love that you have incorporated the black cards and red cards into the two jokers along with the angular aspect for the red and the curvy aspect for the black.  I like the pips at the end of the jester cap on the black but not on the red.  It seems haphazard.  Maybe using one as an earring and the other to top the jester cap perhaps.  Just my two cents and it may not even be worth that much as it is so minor.

This deck is great all the way. I'll agree with the basically insignificant critique from Helshawk. When seen side by side, the hearts and diamonds look a little off on the joker. I think that's partly because the red suits are "attached" to the jester's hat in a different spot than the black suits are. The hat (curling up vs. down) emphasizes it. Seen apart from each other, I don't notice it.

Thank you Helshawk and skinny :) So glad you pointed out the hearts and diamonds on the Joker hat - something was bugging me, but I was a little too lost in the detail to see. I'll definitely have a play around and post an update very soon. I like the earring/hat idea, thank you :)

This is going to sound ridiculous but I managed to break my finger last weekend (on a bushwalk - clambering up a rock, which wasn't a particularly clever thing to do...)! Luckily it's a clean break and will heal fine - I just have to be patient, which isn't the easiest  ???  ::) Drawing for the card back is underway and while I'm 'strapped' I will keep working on the ideas in my head. :)

I put some drawing images up on my art blog if you want to revisit the pre-painted stage of the artwork:
http://www.abolinaart.com.au/blog/looking-back-at-the-illustration-process/

Thanks for stopping by
Annette :)

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Not having seen your design it is hard to give specific advice :) I agree with Helshawk, there are lots of tutorials online - if you include Gimp in your search you should come up with some useful and inspiring tips - and having put time and effort into the cards, you want to make the back your own :)

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Hi Annette,

Glad to see you back. The direction this deck has taken is simply awesome and looking forward to the jokers now :)


Regards,
Sunish

Thanks so much Sunish - glad to hear :)

Here's a look at the two Jokers... two-way designs with happy and colourful faces:


The 'red' Joker has its name in red - and incorporates colours from hearts and diamonds


The 'black' Joker incorporates colours from clubs and spades



Thanks for looking - *wave*
Annette :)

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Sorry to hear of your husband's poor health and best wishes for a speedy recovery!

Love all the changes you have made, especially the half face pips, and am really excited for this deck! 

Wishing you and your loved ones the best in 2017!  May it be filled with Joy and Happiness!

Thank you so much Cardfool - your kind words and positive support mean the world :)
Hoping that you and yours will have all the best for this new and exciting year! :)

I'll be shocked if I buy more than a handful of decks in 2017, but this will be one of them.  Well done.

Thank you ever so much for your humbling and overwhelming endorsement ecNate :)

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Design & Development / Re: Laying out uncuts for Make Playing Cards
« on: January 02, 2017, 02:02:11 AM »
Hi variantventures :) - not sure if this helps: http://www.makeplayingcards.com/design/uncut-sheet-playing-cards.html ? It looks to be different from the deck builder specifically aimed at uncut sheets - it should be possible to define the position of each card ... I haven't used it, so don't quote me if I'm wrong :)

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Hi Ziggletooth :)

You could get in touch with one or a few printers you are considering and ask them to send you samples of cards - if you explain that you want to see the 'colour' of the card stock hopefully they can send you samples which haven't been 'edge to edge' printed with some random photo image (like samples I got from MPC about 4 years ago.... ;) )
Helshawk's advice is great - if you want complete control over the 'white' - add a tint. Then again, if you find a printer with paper stock you like, you can leave the 'white' transparent in your design.

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Firstly, I am so sorry for the long delay in replying and posting updates here :(

A few months ago my husband became ill unexpectedly - Despite the upheaval and worry; some events seem to shine a light on what matters in life; love, family, friendships – and we’re lucky to be surrounded by wonderful people. Being positive about him recovering – and taking things day by day really, truly helps …

I do feel terrible about not popping in for so long, but want you guys to know that your involvement and awesome feedback along the way has been so inspiring, so thank you - and (in advance) thank you for your patience ;)

In between things I have found time to keep working on the cards and am definitely feeling that the deck is starting to take real shape, which is exciting.

The 4 Aces

First versions (especially clubs and hearts) have been reworked, scaling back some of the detail and refining the artwork, which continues the main theme of this deck; the Face:



The Number Cards

The original idea for the number cards was to repeat a smaller size pip identical to the one on the ace … However, the amount of detail made them quite busy, and following some great feedback :) I went back to the drawing board ... After playing around with different ideas I came up with the half-half pip … These ‘divided’ pips show a face in profile with a solid field of colour completing the symbol shape ... using colours to match the courts and aces in each suit.

Spades:


Diamonds:


Clubs:


Hearts:


And a look at Ace, court and number card together from each suit:









Next up will be the Jokers and the card back ...

Thanks so much for looking and I hope you've all had a great Christmas and that 2017 will be splendid!
Annette :)

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Having just gone through your exciting thread, I like this last back version the best :) The illustrations are great and while I haven't familiarised myself with the stories behind the deck, there's plenty that grabs the eye. I agree with previous posters about favouring standard pips for the corner indices - there are decks which combine 2 sets of pips (non-standard or tarot or something else) to show indices in all 4 corners (like the Arcana deck), but somehow I think your design would work better with the standard pips (x2) and allow the custom pips to shine in the centre of the card :)

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Congratulations Sunish! So glad to see you funded on this one (and I can't wait to see the cards!) :)

*wave*
Annette :)

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The tuck can be printed in full CMYK color and can take foil - the Chameleons deck was Expert's first to use this material and it has holographic foil stamped on the special edition green deck.  (I think - I'm going off the top of my head!)  But CMYK is a certainty.

It looks like paperboard, lasts like plastic and has a nice tactile feel to it, in my opinion.  It will last considerably longer than typical paper tuck boxes.  One thing I've noticed with vintage decks - the first thing to fall apart is usually the box, not the cards, under normal wear and tear.  Synthetic tucks would be the opposite - they'd outlast the paper cards.

Thanks for that information Don, glad to hear that full CMYK is available - I'll be finding a deck with a synthetic tuck as soon as I can, to get a feel of the real thing :) When I read your post, my eyes jumped through the sentence to make it: "Looks like paperboard, tastes like plastic ..." and I thank you for the unintentional laugh :)


The last issue of Card Culture #23, page 15, Jetsetter Premier Edition features a synthetic paper tuck. It may help to see one that way but nothing is as cool as having it in your hands. Off the top of my head Synthetic paper is also used in 52+Joker Pack Jackets available at the club site as well as the 52+Joker Gold deck, Liars and Thieves, Chameleons available from Conjuring Arts. There are more of course just not coming to mind right now.

I like the little diamond feature on the 0 of the 10 and in the O on Vizago. Finding a way to stick my favorite suit on the other three is pretty great in my book.

The AoS feels a little odd to my eye. The human eye is naturally drawn to the lightest areas, something out of how we fear the dark and all that from way back when, in AoS there are two eyes but not on an even level. This causes my eyes to have to shift back and forth and this aspect is something that is okay we do it every day. Even so between the shift I have to refocus on what I'm looking at to actually see what's there. It's like it's missing a way for my eye to flow from point to point if that makes sense. It may be because of the orientation of one image under the other or the way the colors are represented. When it comes to eye feel allowing the eye to flow over an image will usually generate more like, an image that requires a refocus will usually generate more dislike. The initial reaction, most often a subconscious one, on a major card like AoS can be a pretty big determining factor to back or not, buy or not. Thought I would bring it up.

Thanks Fess for your list of decks with synthetic tucks - now I definitely have a selection to go shopping ...

Also, I truly appreciate your feedback on AoS - I think maybe because I'm so used to inverting, flipping and working on curved 3D surfaces, my eyes will see a face whether it is upright or up-side-down - and... with a visual idea on hand, I plough ahead with little regard for those confusing visual aspects ;)  You do make a good point and I'm glad for feedback that makes me think and see things in a different light, thank you :)

I went back and had another look and thought that well, the idea can still work if the faces are symmetrical - as looking in opposite direction is about seeing things from different perspectives - and can also be about looking into a mirror ...

Ace of Spades - #2



Thanks for looking
Annette :)



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Actually, an interior of metallic foil might be nice - it lends the box a rather royal look, especially depending on the color chosen.  Red's a good option, though if purple's available, go for it!

Metallic inks have become less popular since foil stamping on the cards has become a revived art.  But it's VERY expensive.  Cheaper to get foil on the box - collectors like shiny things.  Ironic, considering that matte finishes on tucks are also very popular rather than glossy finishes.

If you're going for a limited edition of a specific size, a serially-numbered custom deck seal is another popular option.

Interesting - and definitely food for thought :)

Just tossing this out there, I love the synthetic paper tucks they've come up with. The stuff is fantastic. I usually carry my deck in a little case but it's pretty thick and can be annoying. The synthetic paper tucks slip in my pocket and I don't have to worry about the tuck being mangled like paper ones so no case, pack jacket or clip required. It's a beautiful thing.

We've diverted this topic enough - we should probably get back on track or take this to a new topic!

BTW: I'm in total agreement on the new synthetic tucks - they're fantastically durable and have a nice texture to them.  However, they don't take embossing well at all - Expert PCC won't offer embossing with synthetic tucks.  They'll give you foil stamping, they'll give you die cut windows in the box if you want them, they might even be able to use metallic inks, but no embossing.

Thanks Fess and Don - (and the diversions were interesting too) Synthetic paper tuckbox - I like the sound of this one!  :) I haven't come across these before, so curious if full colour printing is possible - or would the design need to be more sparse? While I'd need to look into it more, it sounds like the tuck is more than enough 'bells & whistles' to need any embossing on top :)

Moving along with the designs ... :)

After settling on the name, I dived into the lettering:



Ace of Spades



Two faces look in opposite direction within the Ace of Spades - one upright and one up-side-down - symbolising that clarity of mind comes with the ability to see things from more than one perspective...

Another look at the number cards ...

This idea for number cards is about bringing the classic pip (or suit symbol) together with a face in profile, to create a symmetrical flow – where the detail in the faces is balanced against the solid colour of the pip shape (in this case, the spade):



Still tweaking to do, though I'm always happy to hear your thoughts - and thanks for looking!
Annette :)

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Hi all,

Continuing November specials - this 3 Day sale on Nine Lives Playing Cards (poker) ends Midnight 10 November (Australian Eastern Daylight savings Time) - 50% off and less than 24 hours to go :)



Annette :)




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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Collect for Fun? Or Profit?
« on: November 09, 2016, 09:23:25 AM »
I've been carrying a deck of cards on me for so long I feel naked without one. I've gone so far as to stash a mini deck in the watch pocket over keeping one of my pocket knives with me on occasions that a bulging pocket just wouldn't do. Just shuffling a deck can reduce my stress. Sorting to rank and suit for just a minute relaxes me and seems to refill my patience just a bit. For me they are never an investment and not for profit. Quite honestly I have never sold a deck of playing cards. I've been known to trade a bit now and a again. I gift some decks to people who show an interest as well with the hope to awaken something inside that says pick up another deck or two and enjoy. I have a fear that if I was to start selling decks I wouldn't enjoy them as much as I do. Like I would be chasing something different at that point. I'll stick with the smile and pleasure instead. This is just me, for those who wheel and deal and get pleasure from that I think it's great. I give them money, they give me beautiful decks in exchange. I appreciate those who sell their treasures so others can enjoy them as well.

Fess - I loved your response. It is straight from the heart. In this digital world, where devices take most of our time, playing cards are the one that can bridge the gap between families and enable them to bond with each other (same can be said about board games too). Though not scientifically proven but I believe cardistry improves concentration, hand-eye coordination and also act as a stress buster. Playing card collectors also have a deep appreciation of the art of varied kinds, and this is a good hobby to have.

I too love Fess' response - and agree with Sunish's reply :)
My collecting is on a very novice level, though each new deck is a treasure I enjoy, share and play with (too curious and excited to keep a deck in it's wrapping...).  I can't do any fancy tricks, though shuffling and sorting through a deck of cards is the visual feast that relaxes my mind - and gives hands that are always looking for something to do - something to do ;)

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You kinda sorta have to complete the whole design first.  You might end up wanting certain bells and whistles for your backs or tuck boxes that will alter your price quote - metallic inks, foil stamping, embossing, side-loading tucks, interior printing, custom seals, UV inks, etc.  If you know you're going to go plain vanilla for certain, using only CMYK-blended colors and no fancy add-ons, then it practically doesn't matter; yes, you can approach them for a quote - but they might want to see the finished design before they can give you that quote.

Thanks Don :)
I do like 'kinda sorta' - and yes I can relate to that it's best to have all details locked in before providing a quote. I'll need to think about the bells and whistles - at this point the 3 that seem cool to me are: embossing (on box), interior printing and custom seals ... I don't think metallic inks or foils would be the go on this one ...

My focus is more on the design and I fear I'm less enlightened as to what collectors like, so if anyone has a wishlist I'm all ears! :)

*wave* Annette :)

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Sorry for the delay folks, unexpected events have kept me preoccupied recently, which unfortunately has meant less time for creative work ... :( Though as things settle, I'm looking forward to be back on track with this truly exciting project. Just wanted to let you know, I'm still here :)

From other design/development posts I gather that there is little point in seeking quotes from printers, until both back and box design are complete? (my top favourites would be EPCC or Legends for this deck)...  The tricky part is that with the way I work, the back and box become the last to complete ... and I suppose I'm wondering if I actually need to wait until they're done before approaching printers; given that quotes can take some time ..?

Thanks for visiting *wave*
Annette :)

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These are now available on CARC too:

http://shop.conjuringarts.org/store/pc/Nine-Lives-Limited-Edition-Abolina-Art-226p1369.htm

Exciting news PrincesTrouble - truly glad to see that Nine Lives have found their way to Conjuring Arts! :)

This photo made me sooooooo happy:



Cardistry is a skill I greatly admire (beyond shuffling, my attempts to gracefully handle a deck of cards invariably result in '52 pickup'...) and it really is ever so cool to see 'my cards' handled in such a flairful way :)

I just launched a brand new integrated shop on Nine Lives feels very 'grown-up' if you ask me ;) ... . And being my annual month of specials (November), there are some exciting offers if you want to pick up Nine Lives decks at a discount rate...

Currently: 50% off 1st edition (bridge size) playing cards (until 3 November - midnight EDST). More specials to follow throughout the month and I warmly welcome you to pop through the door at: https://www.ninelivestarot.com.au/blog/shop/

*wave*


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