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The Conversation Parlor / Re: Playing card horror stories.
« on: July 23, 2014, 07:40:33 AM »
What a fabulous coversation topic, who doesn't have a horror story?

Many years ago Tom and I were asked to lend a few decks to a group who were producing a film on playing cards. They wanted to photo them at their studio. Being protective of our collection we said a firm no. However with some persuasion we reluctantly agreed but only if they came to our house.

Long story but on the last day they reneged because some of their equipment couldn't be moved.

They begged and we allowed them to take the decks.

When they returned them, a card was missing!
 
An argument followed but they did cover the cost of the cards but those who collect know its not the money but the joy of owning a complete, mint and a very old deck..

A few months later we were contacted by the new head of the studio. She apologised for the mishap and told me that the person who we had dealt with had been fired for incompetence!

Duh!

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I am impressed with the decks designed for this contest - lots of clever ideas!  Good luck to all and thanks for your great entries. Thank you also to those who are voting as it makes the efforts by the designers and the administrators as well as the Expert Playing Card Co. worthwhile. 

So add your vote, its very easy to do!

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So am I my sweet man!!!

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Wow - Bicycle Deck sold for $808
« on: May 04, 2014, 05:43:41 PM »
Hey Mike
I think most of the rest of the decks in the lot were bargains - glad you won them!

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Wow - Bicycle Deck sold for $808
« on: April 28, 2014, 02:46:53 PM »
I love the "Bikes".   Maybe that is why I was not surprised to see that this nice Bicycle deck went for big bucks -  I actually thought it would go higher.  Why?  Because there are many Bike collectors and the early Bicycle decks have always commanded a BIG price - some bigger than others. The factors which dictate the greatest prices are; 1. The decks with the four earliest jokers - the “low wheeler” and the colored joker being the rarest, especially the latter (see all below).  2. The green and brown backs as well as two-colored backs as there were not many published. 3. Gold edges are very rare.  4. There are a few with rarer backs, especially “Oak Leaf”, published about 1885 with only about 4 examples known.  Of course. mint and completeness, including the joker and box are necessary to command a top price.  Lastly are the very, very rare four WW1 decks, published in November 1918.  These are definitely among the most valuable standard American playing card decks.

We collectors are nuts!
 


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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Anti-KS : Encarded Zenith
« on: April 27, 2014, 11:48:51 AM »
Congratulations Paul, I am delighted that you have limited this lovely deck to 1000 as I really believe that a known limited number makes it much more desirable to collectors.  Obviously you will continue to sell out your decks as fast as you can design them and I can't imagine anyone more deserving.

See you in Charleston...

Judy

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Welcome to the ranks "Bp69", you are so well respected on discourse and will be a great addition to the rest of the moderators without whom this website would not function the way it does. Thank you so much!

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We do - I will never forget how delighted we were when we found the first one. It probably was the start of my two favorite areas of card collecting - RM/USPC cards and ephemera!

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Nice find and one of my favorite pieces of playing card ephemera - full of good info on USPC'S/Russell/Morgan earliest issues. Now your challenge will be to find the other 4!!

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Pleasure to be here!
« on: April 16, 2014, 01:10:34 PM »
Welcome BW (love it!)

Tom and I also love cards.  We have collected for so many years that I have lost track of how long. The area of our collection I really love are the very early USPC decks starting with those that were published under the R&M banner.  We do collect antique cards but we are definitely quite fascinated with all these wonderful new issues coming out.  So much to choose from!

Enjoy!


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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: White Whale -- Moby Deck
« on: March 21, 2014, 03:03:01 PM »
In reference to the early Spade Aces, many of them are beautifully engraved and collectible,  I have always had a passion for them as well as the fantastic early Jokers and have collected them both for years. Those that advertise a product are delightful and there are great narrow ads as well as the wides to look for.  I rarely see much for sale but if I do and we don't have them I'm there.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: White Whale -- Moby Deck
« on: March 21, 2014, 02:51:16 PM »
Hey Daniel

Just keep adding those links!  The more wonderful early decks of playing card decks that collectors see, the more the newer collectors will understand about our passion for the old.  It is hard to explain the difference between lithography and modern day printing unless you see the decks side by side but there is a difference.  Call it patina.

However I am routing for the collectors of new decks as well.  Surely these must be the antiques of the future.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Court Card Beginnings
« on: March 21, 2014, 02:38:34 PM »
Thanks Lief

I see that I must study our cards a little more closely, I never noticed that this brave Queen of Hearts is sporting a scabbard!  I bet your deduction is correct, otherwise why.....

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Playing Card Plethora / Court Card Beginnings
« on: March 20, 2014, 02:10:14 PM »
I thought that perhaps I might give card collectors a bit of information about card designs.  The court cards as we know them today are very similar to the early French cards, the prototypes for the cards we still use today. Although the courts in those days were single-ended the colorings and costumes are quite recognizable today. Many playing decks with completely different court designs have been produced over many years to try to sell players on a different style but it has never worked.   Card players prefer to stick to the familiar.

The first two rows show French cards, all in the 1690 to 1710 range - those on the bottom row are mid-1700.  If you look closely at the Queen of Hearts in that row you can figure out why my user namer is Heartq!

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: The Case for Congress
« on: March 20, 2014, 10:32:11 AM »
I am delighted to see this topic being explored as I am a fan of the early wide Congress decks of which there are over 250 designs. For years, as collectors, we ignored these cards while seeking out other fields but suddenly they swam into our view and from then on they became collectible.  They were not popular then and we could buy them starting as low as $5 in good shape. However everything changes and so have their prices.  Recently the two decks below were sold. The first, near mint, for over $300 and second, mint in the wrapper, for $85.

Why this difference?

In this case it’s the category.  Any early Congress deck which features women is highly desirable.  Dogs and Native American subjects run a close second. Also condition and completeness are definitely a big factor in collecting these cards. In our years of collecting they have increased many times in value.

I think the later cards from the 40’s on have been overlooked. They are beautiful and quality decks and have a huge range of designs.
Kudos to Josh, for seeking them out - clearly they can only go up in value!

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Early Standard Court Cards
« on: March 18, 2014, 08:33:56 PM »
Wow Daniel, I am impressed!  What observation powers indeed.  I have never studied these cards in this way but I will from now on.  Thanks for the feedback, maybe I will put it into the next issue of CTD so keep tuned.

Regarding the "bikes"  I believe the courts were generally basically the same but after 1890 there were some changes which have led to the court cards we see today. Below are the earliest court cards for Russell and Morgan (USPC) c1885 and the second row shows the same courts from c1915 deck.  If you have a later deck maybe you can add scans if there are differences.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Early Standard Court Cards
« on: March 18, 2014, 08:51:33 AM »
 I have been wanting to discuss the court cards in a deck in relation to what are commonly known as standard designs. The following deck was published c1860 by Dondorf, undoubtedly one of the finest German playing card manufacturers ever. Here we see these beautiful, colorful courts which are clearly recognizable as Kings Queens and Jacks and can see that they are based on the oldest standard playing card patterns. The Kings and Queens are three-quarter length and the Jacks, full-length with legs. Single-ended courts such as these were common until the mid-19th century, when they were slowly replaced by double-ended courts, making them much easier to see when playing card games.  Several manufacturers at this time were experimenting with decorative versions of the standard International pattern but this is probably the most outstanding example of this type.
Check out the following fabulous website for more information on this fantastic company as well as other great examples of early playing cards and manufacturers.
http://www.wopc.co.uk/germany/dondorf/

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: March 15, 2014, 08:03:25 AM »
Here is something I've been meaning to ask about.  Playing cards for Dominos.  Copyright 1908 by USPCC.  Two decks of double 9's in a leather case. I tried to picture a representative sample, it's just likea set of Dominos, but in playing card format...

Not much artwork as there are no court cards.  I tried to do some Internet research but never hit on the right keywords to yield much.  So, how often do you see something like this?  Any thoughts about the back?

Frankly, any information at all would be appreciated.
Here is something I've been meaning to ask about.  Playing cards for Dominos.  Copyright 1908 by USPCC.  Two decks of double 9's in a leather case. I tried to picture a representative sample, it's just likea set of Dominos, but in playing card format...

Not much artwork as there are no court cards.  I tried to do some Internet research but never hit on the right keywords to yield much.  So, how often do you see something like this?  Any thoughts about the back?

Frankly, any information at all would be appreciated.

Hi Adam
Very nice set but probably not in the original case (yours looks like a nice old one, possibly period to the cards).

If memory serves me, USPC made two small domino sets; the first, the size of regular dominos, the second slightly larger. Both types came in a burgundy colored slipcase and both had red and white speckled backs. However your cards could possibly have been packaged in a tuckcase. 

I do not recall seeing many of these over the years, we did own one set once but not in its original box. 

Nice find - rare?  Maybe!!

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One of my favorite backs as well

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Two Old Tally Hos Post 1965
« on: March 13, 2014, 02:53:26 PM »
An interesting idea for an article as we have never done this before, probably because there has not been much in the way of changes in the designs.  However for example, the Bicycle tuck boxes have changed a little over the years and in some cases with the very first decks, Tigers for example, they have slightly changed the box designs. 

I am going to try to do some research on this but probably won't have enough material to cover the later years (after 1912). If I do, you will be the first to know!

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Show Me Your BEST OF THE BEST!
« on: March 10, 2014, 01:15:06 PM »
This thread is such fun and particular thanks to Princess Trouble for showing me so many interesting and unusual decks.  This is definitely an education for me and it is quite fantastic how many creative people there are designing these wonderful cards - so much talent!

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Show Me Your BEST OF THE BEST!
« on: March 06, 2014, 12:00:41 PM »
You are good and on the right track! The court cards on both are great standard style designs but for me personally I like more traditional colors. The Oracle deck doesn't meet my expectations for the back or Spade Ace but of course this is completely subjective.

Thanks so much for sharing these cards with me as I definitely can't scroll through all the new decks on the net.  Hopefully one will meet all my criteria.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Show Me Your BEST OF THE BEST!
« on: March 06, 2014, 10:48:42 AM »
Maybe this should be a contest for a CTD write up!

I also like the others you posted but the first is the winner to date.

We do have WI - very unique packaging. Still the courts are not as clever as I would like. The following is a little more like what I am thinking of. 

http://www.graphic-exchange.com/images/02identity/jaqk2/JAQK_PLAYINGCARDS_CARDS.jpg

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Show Me Your BEST OF THE BEST!
« on: March 06, 2014, 10:13:38 AM »
Hi pt

This is definitely a goodie and theme-wise right up my alley.  However to be perfect requires standard syle courts. 

But, can I still get this one and will I meet you in Charleston along with the notables from Discourse?

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Show Me Your BEST OF THE BEST!
« on: March 06, 2014, 09:43:48 AM »
Very nice but too much going on - love a pure white background.  Keep posting!

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