You are Here:
Sishou Deck Design - Updated 2nd October 2014

Author (Read 7084 times)

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 6th
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2013, 09:57:09 PM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:


I dunno but when I saw this I immediately thought.
"why not go for a terracota soldier look?"

they are actually the kings of ancient chinese history :P
« Last Edit: January 07, 2013, 10:43:58 PM by alvinhy »
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 6th
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2013, 02:21:30 AM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:
The site sells most of the specialized hardware, paper, and laminate which, when combined with some items you can find at a decent hardware or art supply store, will allow you to print cards, either standard or gaffed, from your home computer and turn them into cards that the average spectator would have a hard time telling apart from "the real deal" from USPC.

They also specialize in ebooks, and have a HUGE selection of PDFs of books on magic.

Thanks! This would be a great way to avoid costs of a prototype deck! Or just print out the uncut sheet of a deck before release.
(Granted after you buy all the equipment and supplies, the cost for the first deck would be the same as the USPC's :P)
[/quote]

When making ANYTHING from scratch, the first one, the prototype, usually costs many multiples over the "retail value" - it's all the ones after that which are profit-makers!  Yes, the first will be expensive, but anything after that requires no new hardware investment, just supplies like paper, ink and laminate.

they are actually the kings of ancient chinese history :P

I love this art - it's like a more polished and refined version of the Pedale Design "Misc. Goods Co." deck with a Chinese influence.  But I have a strong recommendation.

Unless it's critical to the art in your opinion, I'd suggest making the index smaller and closer to the corner.  If you're concerned about the "white space" that will leave, do like standard courts and add a large pip next to the character's head to either side.  In fact, those courts will shift the head off-center to either the left or the right, allowing space for a larger pip next to the head.

Doing that will increase the functionality of the deck, making it more practical for use.  It will also provide flourishers with a very attractive face fan - indices that are this large and far from the corner won't be visible in most garden-variety fans.
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 6th
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2013, 02:39:37 AM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:
Quote

I love this art - it's like a more polished and refined version of the Pedale Design "Misc. Goods Co." deck with a Chinese influence.  But I have a strong recommendation.

Unless it's critical to the art in your opinion, I'd suggest making the index smaller and closer to the corner.  If you're concerned about the "white space" that will leave, do like standard courts and add a large pip next to the character's head to either side.  In fact, those courts will shift the head off-center to either the left or the right, allowing space for a larger pip next to the head.

Doing that will increase the functionality of the deck, making it more practical for use.  It will also provide flourishers with a very attractive face fan - indices that are this large and far from the corner won't be visible in most garden-variety fans.

Hey don,
thanks for all the feedback I really appretiate it!
I shall listen do your advice and move the index to the corner for better face fanning.

Thank god I took the time to ask for opinions on the forum before I launched! There are so many mistakes and little bits I didnt even know what appeals to a deck collector.

Also, for pricing ive been lurking around and people are saying $15 a deck is really expensive. However Im planning to price 1 deck at maybe $13 and 2 decks at $25
The high price is because im based in UK and shipping to US will cost quite a bit.

Do you think the price will put people off?
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 6th
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2013, 04:07:20 AM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:
Quote

I love this art - it's like a more polished and refined version of the Pedale Design "Misc. Goods Co." deck with a Chinese influence.  But I have a strong recommendation.

Unless it's critical to the art in your opinion, I'd suggest making the index smaller and closer to the corner.  If you're concerned about the "white space" that will leave, do like standard courts and add a large pip next to the character's head to either side.  In fact, those courts will shift the head off-center to either the left or the right, allowing space for a larger pip next to the head.

Doing that will increase the functionality of the deck, making it more practical for use.  It will also provide flourishers with a very attractive face fan - indices that are this large and far from the corner won't be visible in most garden-variety fans.

Hey don,
thanks for all the feedback I really appretiate it!
I shall listen do your advice and move the index to the corner for better face fanning.

Thank god I took the time to ask for opinions on the forum before I launched! There are so many mistakes and little bits I didnt even know what appeals to a deck collector.

Also, for pricing ive been lurking around and people are saying $15 a deck is really expensive. However Im planning to price 1 deck at maybe $13 and 2 decks at $25
The high price is because im based in UK and shipping to US will cost quite a bit.

Do you think the price will put people off?

I do.  But there are other options.

You should get in touch with me by PM.  I offer consulting services to playing card designers.  Or at least my signature says I do!  :))  Perhaps I should update it and put that part in bold or something...
« Last Edit: January 08, 2013, 04:07:54 AM by Don Boyer »
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 7th - Jack Hearts
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2013, 10:29:36 AM »
 

MrMollusk

  • Extraordinaire
  • *
  • 975
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
  • I like birds.

  • Kickstarter:
Look great so far! Just a small question: When are you planning to put this up on Kickstarter?

« Last Edit: January 08, 2013, 10:31:22 AM by MrMollusk »
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 7th - Jack Hearts
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2013, 10:51:06 AM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:
Quote
I do.  But there are other options.

You should get in touch with me by PM.  I offer consulting services to playing card designers.  Or at least my signature says I do!  :))  Perhaps I should update it and put that part in bold or something...
so even $12 a pack seems expensive...hmm because shipping is so expensive in us.

Look great so far! Just a small question: When are you planning to put this up on Kickstarter?
Launching once the designs are complete. I have been in contact with USPC already
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 7th - Jack Hearts
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2013, 10:55:25 AM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:
Quote
I do.  But there are other options.

You should get in touch with me by PM.  I offer consulting services to playing card designers.  Or at least my signature says I do!  :))  Perhaps I should update it and put that part in bold or something...
so even $12 a pack seems expensive...hmm because shipping is so expensive in us.

To quote Obi-Wan Kenobi, "There are ALTERNATIVES to fighting..."  You should contact me.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2013, 10:58:37 AM by Don Boyer »
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 7th - Jack Hearts
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2013, 03:40:40 PM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:
Quote
I do.  But there are other options.

You should get in touch with me by PM.  I offer consulting services to playing card designers.  Or at least my signature says I do!  :))  Perhaps I should update it and put that part in bold or something...
so even $12 a pack seems expensive...hmm because shipping is so expensive in us.

To quote Obi-Wan Kenobi, "There are ALTERNATIVES to fighting..."  You should contact me.

Thanks Don!
I shall contact you once the designs are close to finish. I still have 11 court cards 2 jokers to 3 aces to do lol...
heres the latest jack of hearts
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 7th - Jack Hearts
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2013, 07:57:58 PM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:

Thanks Don!
I shall contact you once the designs are close to finish. I still have 11 court cards 2 jokers to 3 aces to do lol...
heres the latest jack of hearts

Now that looks sweet!
« Last Edit: January 08, 2013, 07:58:24 PM by Don Boyer »
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2013, 08:40:02 PM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:
Thanks!
I like the queen of hearts better. Just finished designing it! Fresh out the oven,
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2013, 06:44:26 AM »
 

therealmackay

  • True Member
  • *
  • 40
    Posts
  • Reputation: 3
this is going to be one sweet deck of cards!

MUST grab a hold of some of these. Lovely design
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2013, 08:04:43 AM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:
thank you therealmackay, I hope this deck does get funded through kickstarter!
I put a lot of effort in this deck :P and its my first time designing one too hahah
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2013, 11:29:48 AM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:
They are very, very beautiful.
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2013, 03:52:26 AM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:
thank you don!
the ace of spades is finally finished
« Last Edit: January 10, 2013, 02:15:49 PM by alvinhy »
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2013, 07:32:35 AM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:
thank you don!
the ace of spades is finally finished
this is a poster so the index is not on


You really have some serious talent.  That's one of the more attractive AoS images I've seen in a while.  You managed to combine ornate and elegant in one image, and that's not an easy task.

If you aren't already, you should watermark your photos.  Emmanuel Jose had an issue with a Russian knock-off of his deck being printed before he had his available.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2013, 07:34:37 AM by Don Boyer »
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2013, 02:17:10 PM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:
oh wow thats a big issue!
i guess thats all im going to show to the public, until the project is launched!
Gonna aim for 13.1.13 for launch date
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2013, 08:10:20 PM »
 

Lara Krystle "Lane"

  • Former Moderator
  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 682
    Posts
  • Reputation: 50
  • "Why go through the world unnoticed?" -

  • YouTube:
oh wow thats a big issue!
i guess thats all im going to show to the public, until the project is launched!
Gonna aim for 13.1.13 for launch date


Yeah that is a wise choice. And if you are going to release some sneak previews of the deck it will be very very wise (like Donsaid) to watermark them EXTENSIVELY. We don't want other people stealing you hard work. :)

Great job on the designs! Im definitely looking forward to the release of this deck.
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2013, 08:22:49 PM »
 

RandyButterfield

  • 52 Plus Joker Member
  • Discourse Royalty
  • *
  • 499
    Posts
  • Reputation: 52

  • Twitter:
oh wow thats a big issue!
i guess thats all im going to show to the public, until the project is launched!
Gonna aim for 13.1.13 for launch date


Yeah that is a wise choice. And if you are going to release some sneak previews of the deck it will be very very wise (like Donsaid) to watermark them EXTENSIVELY. We don't want other people stealing you hard work. :)

Great job on the designs! Im definitely looking forward to the release of this deck.

I think as long as you leave a few Courts until the end it won't be a problem. Emmanuel ended up posting all 56 of his Curator Face Cards at a hi resolution throughout a year. If a few of the Cards were left out the counterfeit Deck printer most likely wouldn't have been able to create new designs for the missing Cards, and wouldn't have been able to print the stolen Deck. I like the way he shows his new cards now, with the angled photos. They show of the Design nicely, and highlight his paper-cutting technique!

thanks, Randy



 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated Jan 9th QUEEN of HEARTS
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2013, 06:48:55 AM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:
oh wow thats a big issue!
i guess thats all im going to show to the public, until the project is launched!
Gonna aim for 13.1.13 for launch date


Yeah that is a wise choice. And if you are going to release some sneak previews of the deck it will be very very wise (like Donsaid) to watermark them EXTENSIVELY. We don't want other people stealing you hard work. :)

Great job on the designs! Im definitely looking forward to the release of this deck.

I think as long as you leave a few Courts until the end it won't be a problem. Emmanuel ended up posting all 56 of his Curator Face Cards at a hi resolution throughout a year. If a few of the Cards were left out the counterfeit Deck printer most likely wouldn't have been able to create new designs for the missing Cards, and wouldn't have been able to print the stolen Deck. I like the way he shows his new cards now, with the angled photos. They show of the Design nicely, and highlight his paper-cutting technique!

thanks, Randy

Yeh I have spoken with Emmanuel. Got a lot of advice from him! I guess ill leave it as it is and maybe just show the joker right before release :P :-[
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated 2nd October 2014
« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2014, 06:00:17 PM »
 

alvinhy

  • Elite Member
  • *
  • 141
    Posts
  • Reputation: 9
  • SiShou Playing Cards

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Kickstarter:

  • Twitter:
So after almost two years, here are some updates :)
Going to complete this deck before releasing on kickstarter.
I really like this Joker design. How about you?
 

Re: Sishou Deck Design - Updated 2nd October 2014
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2014, 10:18:01 AM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:
So after almost two years, here are some updates :)
Going to complete this deck before releasing on kickstarter.
I really like this Joker design. How about you?

I like it a lot, which is why we're talking about it in the Plethora.  The deck's essentially made already in terms of the design, and it's been Kickstarted at least once, so add comments there.

http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=3991.0
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/