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« on: February 20, 2012, 11:24:55 AM »
 

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Hello guys, I was having interesting discussions with Aaron and Don Boyer about printing custom playing cards from us.
Don Boyer said that there could be a lot of people out here who would be interested in getting high quality custom playing cards printed for an affordable price and asked me to post the best deal for the community.
So here is approximate costing for printing 5000 custom playing cards of 2 colors -> :)
Red colored decks: 2500
Blue colored decks: 2500
Total : 5000decks
Size: Poker
Paper:Plastic coated, 320 gsm,Exclusive & Made-To-Order from Germany.
Printed on : Heidelberg SpeedMaster
Finish available: Quantum Grain Finish, UV finish, Ultra Gloss and Matte finish.
Shipping and Handling Charges are all inclusive for USA only.
Custom duty/charges are also included for USA only.
Delivery time(USA only): India to NewYork 3 business days. NewYork to rest of USA 2 business days by FedEx/DHL.

Delivery Time(Non-USA):7 days
Delivery Cost(Non-USA): As actual

::Additional Costs(if required)::
Cellophane wrapping for 5000decks: $30
2 Color Dozen box printing: $400

::Payment Mode::
PayPal
Bank Wire
EBay(in process)
Any more info feel free to communicate.

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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 12:04:07 PM »
 

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Sounds great... my only problem is the plastic coating  :-*
I'm not a fan of plastic coated decks at all and I'm not familiar with any of those finishes....
Is it possible to print it at the USPCC?
 

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 12:10:47 PM »
 

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No ofense, but I still need to say SORRY first.
It is really difficult for me to be proud to tell my fellow collectors : "look, these decks are made in India..." :-\
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Sounds great... my only problem is the plastic coating  :-*
I'm not a fan of plastic coated decks at all and I'm not familiar with any of those finishes....
Is it possible to print it at the USPCC?

The whole point is that he offers an alternative to USPCC. If he was to print through them it would most likely be more expensive because you would be adding a middle man.

I think this is very interesting! I like the idea of having a good alternative to USPCC. It's obviously a very different and strange brand to most people but I think over time you could do some big things! Best of luck to you! I hope to hear more soon.
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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 01:46:42 PM »
 

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Probably the most critical thing for a lot of us designers is if you can do full 4-color printing, so that we can do truly full color art. Also, would you have the capability to do spot colors so we can work in metallics? I know that being forced into 2 color only would be a limiting factor in many designs.

Would it be possible to get a sample deck of some kind so that us designers could compare a real deck in hand to see the handling/finish/etc? I am aiming all of my cards very squarely at flourishers and magicians as well as collectors so having cards that handle well is imperative.

I'd be curious to see what your products are like. The price is certainly right!
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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 01:49:58 PM »
 

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Thanks brown_baggs .
Building a brand takes a lot of time, even years and years of hardwork.
I started this company after all I had to go through while printing my first decks. Its for those who want quality, new decks and at highly competitive price so that they have sufficient breathing space for retail/wholesale.
I am still 22,extremely passionate about playing cards and card magic.
I dont want to make quick money but want to evolve my company and stay in this business as long as I can.

Only what we can guarantee right now is  fast delivery of high quality work, at best price with minimum/no hassle !
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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 05:22:35 PM »
 

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Sounds great... my only problem is the plastic coating  :-*
I'm not a fan of plastic coated decks at all and I'm not familiar with any of those finishes....
Is it possible to print it at the USPCC?


You must be familiar with the Archduke Eaglebacks?  This man's firm is the printer.  The cards have excellent handling, comparable to Moth/Myth and The Watcher.  You could say all decks are "plastic coated" if you get right down to it, unless they're printed on plain paper and have no additional finish.


No ofense, but I still need to say SORRY first.
It is really difficult for me to be proud to tell my fellow collectors : "look, these decks are made in India..." :-\


Actually, if you told them you deck was made by Archduke Cards, they'd take a second look.  The Eaglebacks are really good cards - high quality on German-made paper and cheaper than USPC without making sacrifices.  My Eaglebacks are among my favorite cards.



The whole point is that he offers an alternative to USPCC. If he was to print through them it would most likely be more expensive because you would be adding a middle man.

I think this is very interesting! I like the idea of having a good alternative to USPCC. It's obviously a very different and strange brand to most people but I think over time you could do some big things! Best of luck to you! I hope to hear more soon.


Open a pack of Eaglebacks and you'll know at what quality he produces cards.  The idea of a GOOD QUALITY ALTERNATIVE to USPC is totally what the custom deck market needs right now.


Probably the most critical thing for a lot of us designers is if you can do full 4-color printing, so that we can do truly full color art. Also, would you have the capability to do spot colors so we can work in metallics? I know that being forced into 2 color only would be a limiting factor in many designs.

Would it be possible to get a sample deck of some kind so that us designers could compare a real deck in hand to see the handling/finish/etc? I am aiming all of my cards very squarely at flourishers and magicians as well as collectors so having cards that handle well is imperative.

I'd be curious to see what your products are like. The price is certainly right!


You won't have trouble with card quality - as I've stated over and over above!


Rajas, I can imagine there's a few things that some custom card designers will need to know.


- Can you produce a full 4-color print job?
- Can you create custom faces as well as custom backs, and at what charge?
- Can you provide special features like spot coloring and metallic inks, and again, at what charge?
- Do you have other stocks and finishes available?  What are they like?  Some designers want a certain feel to the cards.


Paul Carpenter (Xmetal) is the man behind Encarded, and his premiere deck, Tendril, is currently in Kickstarter with well over 100% funding.  Right now, he's printing with USPC, but for future decks, he and other actual card designers here would LOVE to have a viable alternative to USPC.  They can make great cards, but they're also difficult for many to work with.

Here's a sample of the type of machine he stated above that he's using for the print work - a Heidelberg Speedmaster.
http://www.heidelberg.com/h/www/en/content/products/sheetfed_offset/70x100/speedmaster_sm_102,features

I get the feeling that four-color work won't be an issue.
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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 05:41:41 PM »
 

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I've got the Jill deck; German made.  I LOVE the stock on this deck but the finish... well, it's certainly not for everyone (doesn't spread or fan).  I'll see if I can pick up some Eaglebacks, they sound interesting.   
 

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 08:30:27 PM »
 

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Don vouching for the quality means a lot. :) If cards can be done 4 color, and the stock is quality and handling is good, I'd certainly be interested in exploring the options. My current deck is set with USPCC but I have no contract requirements for the next one. I will need 4-color, spot color and pretty strong detail though.

Rajas, would it be possible to get a few sample decks of your finishes? Handling is a priority but I'm quite intrigued and if we have options beyond the "standard" I'd love to explore them.
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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 08:45:38 PM »
 

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Rajas, I'd love to consider printing with you. Here is what I need:

Samples of all the finishes and papers you offer.
4-color CMYK printing
Samples of tuck cases you provide (I love the Archduke Eagleback cards, but I hated the tuck cases).
Samples of deck seals you can produce.

That's about it! :)
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 08:58:23 PM »
 

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wow, that would be great!
Did I just get upgraded to discourse v2?
 

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 11:13:04 PM »
 

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wow, that would be great!
Did I just get upgraded to discourse v2?

Nathan, are you sure you're posting in the right forum?  That's kind of an "out of left field" statement...

Guys - at least those of you planning on printing decks - this could be the answer to some if not all of your prayers regarding getting an alternative to USPC.  The quantum grain finish on the Eaglebacks is really an amazing thing to see in action, and the Heidelberg press looks like it could handle more complex print jobs than a simple two-color deck.

I'm going to be quiet now while Rajas and the deck creators talk business...  :))  Don't mind me, I'm just sitting in the corner...  Pretend I'm not here...
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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2012, 03:16:04 AM »
 

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The Eagle Backs are great, but the finish is a tad weird for me. It feels almost powdered or "soaped." The stock thickness makes a lot of flourishing almost impossible as well.

I'd love to see a sample of a thinner stock with various finishes though. Of course, four color printing is a must.

I have nothing keeping me at USPCC except that they already have a custom deck department set up.
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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2012, 03:37:38 AM »
 

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Another question I would like to add would be the matter of international business. The members here are not 100% in the United States so I would like to take the initiative in throwing in a couple of questions.
Since you already answered my question of being able to ship internationally in our email conversation, another thing I would like to know is if it will be possible to send the products directly from India or does it have to pass through New York?
Since India is closer to the Philippines, I figured it may result in faster and more affordable costs for both of us.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2012, 04:15:14 AM »
 

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Hey, I'd be very interested as well! I'll be waiting for the information others have asked for already.
Finally a reasonable alternative. ;D
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Another question I would like to add would be the matter of international business. The members here are not 100% in the United States so I would like to take the initiative in throwing in a couple of questions.
Since you already answered my question of being able to ship internationally in our email conversation, another thing I would like to know is if it will be possible to send the products directly from India or does it have to pass through New York?
Since India is closer to the Philippines, I figured it may result in faster and more affordable costs for both of us.
since he ask .. i am wondering can you ship to singapore ?? since it is quite near to singapore
 

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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2012, 05:47:47 AM »
 

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Another question I would like to add would be the matter of international business. The members here are not 100% in the United States so I would like to take the initiative in throwing in a couple of questions.
Since you already answered my question of being able to ship internationally in our email conversation, another thing I would like to know is if it will be possible to send the products directly from India or does it have to pass through New York?
Since India is closer to the Philippines, I figured it may result in faster and more affordable costs for both of us.
since he ask .. i am wondering can you ship to singapore ?? since it is quite near to singapore

I didn't know you were working on your own deck design!  Please, tell us about it.
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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2012, 08:01:40 AM »
 

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One word WOW! I am just coming home from factory and get to see so many replies and questions.
Thanks Don Boyer again for such encouraging comments. It definitely means a lot to us.
I will try to answer the all queries in this post.

Minimum quantity: 5000

4 color printing: YES

Custom back and Custom Faces: YES (NO extra charge)

Metallic Ink: YES

Paper Stock: 300gsm, 315gsm, 320 gsm (Exclusive, Germany)

100% Plastic Stock: YES

Embossed Tuck Case: YES

Tuck Case Types: U-Shape (standard bicycle), Cigarette Box, Custom Box

Display Boxes :
YES

Worldwide shipping : YES. Cards will be sent from INDIA only(no middlemen).
Shipping charges are as actual which means we charge the same amount that our shipping company takes from us. Generally, due to lot of international transactions taking place between USA and INDIA, rates are comparatively low. Our logistic relationships are extremely strong which means we get the best market rate for other countries as well.

Customer Privacy Policy: We do not sell/send the decks/artwork for which you don't have rights. We do not even sell the SECONDS to those who do not have the rights.

Shipping Partners: DHL/FedEx/DTDC

Shipping Modes: door to door(costliest), port to port(cheaper), sea(can be cheapest for orders over 1000kg)

Delivery Schedule: within 3 weeks from approval of digital proofs and receipt of advance payment. We have record of 15 days of completing the entire process.

Hope this helps. Quote follows in next post.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2012, 08:04:49 AM by Rajas Paranjpe »
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Re: Print 5000 Custom Decks and Delivered @ $4600
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2012, 08:18:30 AM »
 

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Approximate Quotations as requested
Shipping as actuals.

Job 1:
         5000 Decks of Custom Poker Sized Sized (3.5" x 2.50") playing cards with 315 gsm black centered board inserted in a printed  in 4 color + 1 metallic color with the carton being printed in 4 color foiled and embossed.

Cost 1:    Rs56.80/- or $1.2 Per deck.

Job 2:
         5000 Decks of Custom Poker Sized (3.5" x 2.50") playing cards with 315 gsm black centered board 4c + 4c  inserted in a  2 color printed captive tuck box

Cost 2:   Rs33.68/-  or $0.69 Per deck.

Art Works: All you have to do is submit an artwork in any digital format either Mac or PC. There are no set up charges except if the artworks have to be worked on extensively.This rate is exclusive only to the members of aethercards.com
Any queries feel free to ask
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2012, 09:33:21 AM »
 

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Rajas.... I'm really excited to see more feedback on your printing co. I think it's really awesome to finally have an alternative printers other than uspcc... I mean no offense to the wonder people of bikes but they are a tad bit pricey.

I will stay tuned to this forum to get updates and feedbacks. In the meantime.. I will be hard at work.
 

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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2012, 08:16:33 PM »
 

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Depending on how the cards handle, we could print the Discourse deck, if it ever happens to be completed, through your printing company. Also, decks like the Steampunk deck in my signature would have been so much better if only they had been printed through your company!
 

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2012, 08:23:14 PM »
 

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Depending on how the cards handle, we could print the Discourse deck, if it ever happens to be completed, through your printing company. Also, decks like the Steampunk deck in my signature would have been so much better if only they had been printed through your company!
I was thinking the same thing! The discourse deck could have a much lower goal if we printed through Rajas. But you have to get 5000 decks here Alex had said he could get us a lower run at USPCC.
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2012, 08:45:40 PM »
 

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Okay. You got me. I'm interested. Let me play around with the Archdukes first though plus my designs aren't exactly what you would call finished yet anyway. I'll send you an email once I'm ready.


Another question I would like to add would be the matter of international business. The members here are not 100% in the United States so I would like to take the initiative in throwing in a couple of questions.
Since you already answered my question of being able to ship internationally in our email conversation, another thing I would like to know is if it will be possible to send the products directly from India or does it have to pass through New York?
Since India is closer to the Philippines, I figured it may result in faster and more affordable costs for both of us.
since he ask .. i am wondering can you ship to singapore ?? since it is quite near to singapore

I didn't know you were working on your own deck design!  Please, tell us about it.
In due time my friend, in due time...  ;)



Rajas.... I'm really excited to see more feedback on your printing co. I think it's really awesome to finally have an alternative printers other than uspcc... I mean no offense to the wonder people of bikes but they are a tad bit pricey.

I will stay tuned to this forum to get updates and feedbacks. In the meantime.. I will be hard at work.


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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2012, 12:01:32 AM »
 

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I'm sorry i did not post in purple :( I was in a hurry and i manually type the [ color = purple ] tags and what nots here. So yeah on the ipad it is kinda tedious. (you are right @moon.exe)
Anyway, @kensei777 please do update me with anything in regards to this matter okay? Thanks!
 

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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2012, 04:16:36 PM »
 

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Rajas,

As Alex said, if I can get/buy a sample deck for each stock/finish so that I can see how the handling and feel is, I'd strongly consider using you if the quality is there. Design doesn't matter to me, I just want to see how your printed detail is and if the cards work well for cardistry.

My current deck design is going USPCC (http://kck.st/xPNhv7) but I am open to any alternatives if I can achieve the look and feel I want.

Also, I know that you have 5000 minimum in the quotes you've given us here, but what is the true minimum you could print (though I'd assume all per deck costs would be higher)? My thought there is what if I wanted to try a truly crazy design idea, or do something super limited? I'd be curious if that would be possible.
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