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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Steamboat date of Mfg.
« on: January 09, 2024, 02:35:48 PM »
1908-1910 probably

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: September 28, 2023, 09:19:13 AM »
Along that same line of observance of the QoD facing I have dug deeper into a subject I brought up on my website about the Longley brothers. That is the symbol on the hilt of the sword of the KoH. The symbol (shown below) can be followed through all their connected card companies (Card Fabrique, Globe, American Playing Card, USPC and National). (First symbol shown below) I have also found connected symbols for ones used by Telbax, Midland and the Independent Playing Card Company which are all connected to Wesley Culp. (Second Symbol shown below)
I am compiling a database of these symbols and an article/website. I will be searching out more decks to photograph and catalog at the Cleveland Convention this year to test my theory. So if you are there with an odd deck please come see me. If you are not coming I would appreciate any KoH closeup photos. My email is daveseaney@att.net

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: September 28, 2023, 08:40:43 AM »
Here is something I noticed recently with court cards (US pre-1930). I have searched the "Ask Alexander" archives and cannot find that anyone has mentioned this before. Why does the Queen of Diamonds face to our LEFT on cards made by the Western card makers (USPC, APC, KPCC, etc) and the ones made by East Coast makers (Dougherty, Cohen, Hart, NYCC, Pyramid, etc) face to our RIGHT? Has this ever been discussed?
This would seem to be a way to narrow down where an unknown deck came from.

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The Conversation Parlor / Re: USPCC CODE 1898"A"
« on: September 21, 2023, 01:42:08 PM »
Let me add this to the conversation. On July 2, 1894, the United States Printing Company became The United States Playing Card Company. Why did they wait 4 years to start date coding? Nothing I could find in their history points to an event to start coding their cards. Production didn't change, their new factory in Norwood would not be in production until 1901. Why the change?  It seems like the coding would have started after the name change. Thoughts?

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You might try Daniel Dragojevich at World Class Playing Cards.
http://worldclassplayingcards.com/

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: April 14, 2023, 09:02:02 AM »
I have a list of known and unknown cancellations from the American Revenue Association. V.M.S./U.S.A. is an unknown.

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1895-1910  But since there no date code letter on it I would lean toward 1890s. Do you have a box with a tax stamp?

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That color stamp was used on decks that were "On Hand" at a business or card company when the tax went into effect. Could be the initials of a department store.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: April 13, 2022, 11:29:26 PM »
Looking for information about a playing card company in Milwaukee between 1876 and 1883. The owner was Frederick A Klatt. His partner was a hardware store owner named A W Coe. I cannot find any pictures, or names, of his cards. Even Klatt disappears after 1883. Any information would be appreciated.

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The Conversation Parlor / Re: USPCC CODE 1898"A"
« on: April 12, 2022, 10:45:04 PM »
You might find this story I did about Fireside helpful.   https://pcconnections.weebly.com/mr-wilson-and-fireside-games.html

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: March 31, 2022, 03:03:37 PM »
GRC is for Guy R Cockley the inventor. I had an article that describes exactly the cards you posted. I am tying this deck to a story about "Political Euchre" from 1884 by Louis Lum Smith. Cockley's idea was really close to Smith's deck. You win by accumulating enough electorial votes to elect your president. The votes appear on the cards.
Thanks again for coming up with pictures of these rare cards.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: March 30, 2022, 04:07:16 PM »
Does anyone have any cards from a card game called "Election"? I cannot find any pictures for a story I am working on about it.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: A. Ball & Bro
« on: March 16, 2022, 11:23:04 AM »
Here is a story I just did on Annie
https://fpopc.weebly.com/a-ball--brother.html

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: March 02, 2022, 01:25:44 PM »
Does anyone have any items, or early decks of cards, from A. Ball & Brother Company of Chicago in the late 1800s? Putting together a story about A. Ball which happens to be Annie Ball.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Playing Card Wrapper Non-Tax Stamps
« on: February 25, 2022, 05:35:02 PM »
Found this unused, and unmounted, one at a stamp store. He did not know where it was from.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: February 08, 2022, 11:29:04 AM »
The deck contained 55 cards which should have made it be required for a tax stamp (Any deck with 54 cards and over) The printing on the boxes just have that USPC look.
I have several documents from the Lenawee County Historical Society where Adrian, Michigan is located. They have a deck of Cheyenne on display but never knew anything about Swastika. Same deck just a different name. That will come out in my story.
I will cover the life of Samuel Roy Beal (the man that designed Swastika and signed your document), his partner James Denny Crandall and William O. Albig (who changed Swastika to Cheyenne)

UPDATE: The story is now available at  https://fpopcg.weebly.com/swastika---cheyenne.html

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: February 06, 2022, 06:07:10 PM »
Here are 2 decks I am working on. The boxes have that USPC look but cannot prove if they printed them. Hoping to find one with a tax stamp to pin it down. Swastika was 1906-12 and Cheyenne was 1912. One company lead to the other.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: February 03, 2022, 12:16:24 PM »
Here is the story. Thanks again for the info and pictures.
https://fpopcg.weebly.com/alice-d-leys-royalty.html

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: February 01, 2022, 10:29:14 AM »
These pictures are fantastic. I will use them in my story if you don't mind with a credit to you. The cards do not feature any actual royalty. The people on the court cards were just friends of Alice's in Wayne. She had a launch party on New's Eve for 1910 where many of the people featured attended. The tiny local historical society has no information about who these people might be. I have been in contact with her great-grandson (he is still in Wayne) and his family has no idea. Should be posting the story by next week.
I have 2 pictures of Alice. Both have here with flowers on her dresses.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: January 31, 2022, 12:46:53 PM »
Does anyone have any knowledge of a box for this deck? Or any owners? The deck is called ROYALTY but is called BOUQUET in the Hochman (NS10)  It was designed by Alice D Ley of Wayne, Nebraska. It originally came in a box with another deck called 400 and instructions for game play. Working on a story about this deck.

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Hochman Updates / Re: Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
« on: December 01, 2021, 07:05:15 PM »
I like that NY63 card back. The AoS is a George G White design.      https://fpopc.weebly.com/g-g-whites-card-designs.html

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Here is a story about those cards.   https://fpopc.weebly.com/freedom-playing-cards.html

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Heya
« on: October 10, 2021, 06:10:32 PM »
Welcome Gav!
People store their collections all sorts of ways I've seen on here. From plastic containers (like me) to some really fancy cabinets.
I would suggest to use the SEARCH function for whatever types of cards you're into. I'm sure someone on here likes whatever you do.
I would also suggest you check out, and join, 52+Joker (https://52plusjoker.org/) The club has a lot of knowledge and expertise.

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Hochman Updates / Antique Card Games (Non-Standard)
« on: August 26, 2021, 05:59:56 PM »
Here is a deck from Carthage, Missouri. All the companies existed between 1900-1920. Still researching,

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member
« on: August 20, 2021, 06:57:30 PM »
Welcome! You should come to the 52+Joker Convention in October in Niagara Falls. Everything you want to know, learn and see will be there.

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