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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: November 15, 2017, 01:58:39 PM »
Quote from: Adamkelly on November 15, 2017, 08:35:48 AM
You guys are an engaging bunch, huh?! 😂😂😂😂

Here’s a free tip... if you want to grow your community - humour the new people who stop by... some of us may have ended up engaging over the longer term... unfortunately, in this case, now we’ll never know... best of luck - hopefully you guys rediscover why you wanted a forum in the first place :).

Walter Kraus (1908-85) is a famous East German card designer. He worked for Spielkartenfabrik Altenburg GmbH. This company was bought by Cartamundi in 2002 and merged with another subsidiary called Altenburger und Stralsunder Spielkarten (ASS). Your particular deck is called "Sweetheart No. 7011" and was designed in 1956.

Here is your deck: http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks06/d04591/d04591.htm

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: The 2017 52 Plus Joker Convention - a Travelogue
« on: October 18, 2017, 09:18:19 AM »
Quote from: Don Boyer on October 18, 2017, 01:28:28 AM

The Dawson Lifetime Achievement Award went to Gene Hochman, given posthumously to his son, Mike.

Next year's convention will be in Cleveland.  It's a nod to the Chicago Playing Card Collectors, which is merging with 52 Plus Joker in the coming year - they specialize in single-card collecting!

I'm glad Dawson got an award named after him. The last time I sent an email to him, I never got a reply. I didn't know it at that time, but he was already hospitalized.

The Chicago club is probably the oldest organization in the world dedicated to collecting playing cards. I think they've been around since the 1950s.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: USPCC Collection
« on: October 13, 2017, 06:16:11 AM »
There was an earlier thread about it:
Quote from: gambler on August 28, 2017, 02:46:27 PM
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2017/08/25/vanderbilt-now-home-to-extraordinary-gaming-collection/

Here is another article: http://www.bicyclecards.com/article/vanderbilt-university-preserves-uspc-book-collection/#filter

No word yet on when it will be available for public viewing.

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Design & Development / Re: [Deck in development] Playing cards + Tarot
« on: September 16, 2017, 06:03:41 AM »
RW is under copyright protection in some countries. I'm not sure about how safe it is to use adapted imagery from that deck. You may need permission from some companies or estates if you want to sell it in say the UK. It is probably safer to use a more traditional deck like Marseilles or any of the old Italian ones.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: United States Playing Card Co. Collection Acquired By Vanderbilt Libraries
« on: August 28, 2017, 04:13:06 PM »
Great news. That collection hasn't been available for public view since 2001.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Was there a USPCC museum catalog?
« on: April 21, 2017, 05:43:32 AM »
The USPCC ended public access to their private collection back in 2001. I never had a chance to visit it. Was a catalog ever produced for this collection? I can only find Hargrave's 1930 "A History of Playing Cards..." as the closest thing to a catalog but it had no reference numbers to each deck.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Viceroys: the latest deck in production by Shimmering
« on: February 01, 2017, 10:25:25 AM »
Very nice. Another great homage to historic decks. The corner indices are a bit too small.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: 1902 British Joker?
« on: January 12, 2017, 12:25:36 PM »
The British have been making jokers since the 1870s. Your link refers to decks made in France for the French who held out against jokers for a longer period. Your picture really does look like someone took a spare card and converted it into a joker. A professional printing company won't make something that embarrassingly crude.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Looking For Information
« on: January 02, 2017, 05:13:32 AM »
My guess is that these were made in Germany or Belgium for export during the late 19th or early 20th century. The faces use distinctly Dutch queens but it is a mystery to me why the aces have Portuguese scenes. Germans and Belgians also exported very similar cards to Portugal but they use an older set of queens that hold flowers. Are the backs just green? The pictures are a bit blurry, is there a trademark on the jack of clubs?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Looking For Information
« on: December 23, 2016, 10:10:08 AM »
Those look like Dutch cards because they have scenic aces. The lack of indices may mean that they are quite old. Please post some court cards. I'm leaving on a trip so you might have to wait for a week for a response.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello all, from Cornwall, UK.
« on: December 02, 2016, 08:05:02 AM »
http://www.wopc.co.uk/ has lots of Happy Families decks. You can ask them as it is also run by members of the English Playing Card Society (EPCS).

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Thickness of Early Playing Cards
« on: November 02, 2016, 08:15:41 PM »
Detlef Hoffmann was the first to describe the second deck on http://cards.old.no/1400-morisca/. It is Leinfelden Museum's B-1288. He wrote about it in Die Welt der Spielkarte (1972) and assigned it to 1545 Provence without providing a reason.

The Fournier Museum's Italia-2 was acquired after the book was published but I'm not sure when or how. While they got the cards from Seville, they labelled it Italian because the ace of coins shows a man wearing a Venetian cap. Its significance was only realized in the 1980s. Hoffmann claimed the courts wore Germanic fashions and was most likely printed near the Swiss border and exported to Spain.

Michael Dummett challenged Hoffmann's claims on both decks and said they were Spanish in origin. He believed them to be different stages of evolution of an early standard pattern. He also conjectured that the Wintle sheet (http://www.wopc.co.uk/spain/moorish/index) predates them both.

As for Pollett, he is a male, Andrea being Italian for Andrew. He hasn't published anything in almost 10 years and I fear he may have died.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Thickness of Early Playing Cards
« on: November 02, 2016, 07:05:25 AM »
Quote from: variantventures on November 01, 2016, 11:22:11 AM
The provenance of this deck is unclear and I've written the museum requesting more information but have not, as yet, heard back.

From http://l-pollett.tripod.com/cards77.htm:
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Despite the museum's catalogue reference of this deck is Italy 2, it may come from anywhere within a wide area, now corresponding to Spain, northern Italy, southern France, Switzerland, and south-western Germany. It was found in Seville, and the only country where the same composition is used is Spain, but some scholars claim that the cap featured on the ace of Coins is consistent with a north-eastern Italian origin, while others identify the clothes worn by the courts as German.

Also http://cards.old.no/1400-morisca/:
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The ranks are the same twelve as in later Portugese and Spanish cards, differing from the Italian and Mamluk ones in that the tens are lacking. If the tens were originally present, they must have been deliberately discarded during the decks's period of use, as the probability that all four tens accidentally should have been lost along with the eight other random missing cards is vanishingly small. Also, the elegant placement pattern of the suit symbols in cups and coins from the fives to nines (and probably even the lost fours) could not easily be extended to tens.

The museum calls it "Italy 2" despite being found in Seville and is most likely Spanish in origin since it lacks 10s. The backward facing knights resemble the knight of coins in the later Seville pattern. I would say that the evidence for a local production in Seville is far more convincing than it being a foreign import.

Here's what I took when I visited:

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Re: Shop that are selling cards
« on: September 06, 2016, 10:48:30 AM »
Near Italy? I went to San Marino to buy some decks. It's cheaper as there is no VAT. That country is a collector's paradise. Every shop there sells something whether they be model cars, swords, airsoft guns, stamps and coins, and figurines.

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Design & Development / Re: Guru Ganjifa -based on Dashavatar Ganjifa with artwork inspired from Madhubani
« on: June 09, 2016, 07:18:32 PM »
Quote from: shimmering on June 09, 2016, 09:49:34 AM
Sunish, I wonder whether you have seen such Himalayan Tsakali cards?

https://twitter.com/mjpcuervo/status/740898596489400321

They are new to me. Hope it could be of some interest in the context of tarot for divination usage. (Of course where I have used tarot cards (France) it is just as an extended playing card deck.)

H.T. Morley wrote about them in "Old and Curious Playing Cards" back in 1931. Technically, they're not playing cards but praying cards as they are used strictly for rituals to establish the presence of divine beings.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: European Playing Card Auction in Marseilles, France - May 28th, 2016
« on: May 28, 2016, 03:39:26 AM »
I use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/s3google-translator/ this addon for firefox. It's very useful in translating small sections without having to go to another tab.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Our Deepest Condolences on the Loss of Tom Dawson
« on: March 23, 2016, 09:36:58 AM »
My condolences to Judy and their family. I hope they will get through this difficult time and remember the wisdom and joy he brought to those around him.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Prayers & Positive Energy For Tom Dawson's Recovery
« on: March 18, 2016, 09:43:27 AM »
Best wishes to him and his family. How long has he been there?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Looking for info - Alvin W. Krech collection
« on: March 08, 2016, 06:16:10 AM »
I don't remember what exactly was the image posted but I believe it was a German suited deck. Timothy B. Husband is an expert in old German cards and he has put together an old card exhibition in New York at the Met: http://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2016/world-in-play

Sigmar Radau is another expert on German cards. If you haven't contacted Depaulis yet, I suggest you might do so. He's the foremost card historian alive today.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Tinc Deck
« on: March 07, 2016, 11:29:13 AM »
Quote from: vasta41 on March 07, 2016, 08:51:21 AM

It's a fast-paced drinking game (learned it in college of course). It was featured in Beerfest:


Is that sarcasm? I thought asshole referred to this game: https://www.pagat.com/climbing/president.html

I was a bit confused when you said no-revoke makes asshole more difficult but suits don't matter, only rank does.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Tinc Deck
« on: March 06, 2016, 06:08:28 PM »
My idea for a no-revoke deck is red-pink and black-grey. Different but not too different.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Canada, Italy, Greece, Turkey and Croatia
« on: February 23, 2016, 08:35:47 AM »
Italians have interesting cards. Most regions have their own special deck that they play with, a legacy of their late unification.

The other countries you mentioned import their cards from elsewhere. You can probably find souvenir decks in touristy locations. If you want to see what cards the locals really play with, go to toy shops, department stores, and the malls. They're usually cheaper than what you can find in the tourist districts.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: 1897 Playing Cards
« on: February 09, 2016, 02:29:26 PM »
Hi and welcome to the forum.

It depends on what games your characters are playing. In the old west, Faro was very popular. Faro players were more old fashioned or perhaps superstitious so they used more traditional cards that were not indexed, had sharp corners, and were not reversible.

Here are some I found:
http://www.riverjunction.com/Faro-Cards--Eagle_p_550.html
http://www.amazon.com/Collectible-Badges-Pharo-Playing-Poker/dp/B002J5JWF8/

I'm not sure if Faro cards still had blank backs by 1897 which is quite late.

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Design & Development / Re: i Nudi: A Tribute to Lovers [Mature material, discretion advised]
« on: January 26, 2016, 02:14:47 PM »
I've read all but Clulow and Uchiyama. The topic of Chinese cards in Japan seems maddeningly obscure, only a few snippets here and there in various books.  If you find your source please let me know.

I think you've researched most of the rules for hanafuda games. Here's an archive of a dead website with some rules if you need it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050825184125/http://hana.kirisame.org/rules.html

Pay particular attention to Poka, Hiyoko, and Isuri. These are games that no one plays anymore and are often left out of rule books. They are quite obscure.

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Design & Development / Re: i Nudi: A Tribute to Lovers [Mature material, discretion advised]
« on: January 25, 2016, 03:21:56 PM »
Quote from: DoubleOOJ on January 25, 2016, 01:35:28 PM

When Japan outlawed western cards & gambling, some of the first cards to gain popularity (before being banned as well) were Chinese. During the long ban (~200yrs iirc) the main focus was on gambling and cards with obvious pips/indices.

Do you have more information or sources about Chinese cards in Japan? I'm looking for books or articles about this subject but they are hard to find. I know that they existed in Japan during the 19th century but I don't have any information about how popular they were, the games played with them, or when they were banned.

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