Hi guys,

Due to some circumstances I am now going to have to sell this deck. Starting bid is $0.99 and shipping from Sydney, Australia.

If you require more information please contact me.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/181034722330?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_500wt_1414


Regards,

Rob

-1 for Zaganh, after a month of receiving my side of the trade he has yet to post the decks from his side of the deal

In brief, currently the problem is that I live in Aus and so trading with him by sending decks from my end would have resulted in a very large shipping price. In order to save on this, I bought a mixed brick from D&D and shipped it to his address. This was done during the ace fultons mixed brick deal and so a midnight was also sent.

As Zaganh did not have a midnight edition, he would wait till he received the package from D&D before he sent me a mixed brick of orange and tobacco Ace Fultons and the midnight deck he received from my order back to me.

He received the decks around the 25th of October and informed me of this. However, since then he keeps informing me that he has "financial difficulties" in raising sufficient funds to send my decks over to me and would wait till he got paid before sending it. It has been over a month and yet he still has not posted the decks despite frequent messages asking him to which are only met with more BS about financial difficulties.

What astounds me about this situation is that he was the one who initiated the trade, with the unspoken implication that he can at least afford the small cost of shipping. Furthermore, this sum is not a large sum. I am confident that Zaganh has some friends or parents IRl who would be willing to lend him $30 for shipping so he can keep up his end of the commitment which would be the alternative a decent human being would have taken when they did not have the sufficient funds.

Now the Tobacco and Orange decks are still not sold out at D&D (at least back when the trade was started) and I could have easily taken this risk free route to get the deck, but I did this to help a fellow member of the community out, albeit also to get an extra midnight deck, but hey, I'm not a saint.

Below are some of the messages I received from Zaganh, there are a lot more sent to my email which contains more BS stemming from the end of October which I have not included.

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Quote from: LauR on November 23, 2012, 04:14:23 AM
Hi there,

Have you posted the decks yet? Its been quite a while and its stretching to the point of unreasonable imo for like $30 worth of shipping.

Rob

hey yeah sorry its took so long i got payed but dhl just took over 70 dollers out for tax on a parcel i received as a gift im between skulkor and dhl to refund me as they shouldnt of took any money at all ill send your parcel right out when the money comes through plus an extra skulkor or 2 for your wait

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hi in more detail i get payed every 2 week and i would of had enough to send you it this time i got payed but i received a letter from dhl asking for duty and tax to be payed on a gift i received from skulkor in a competition it was an exspense i didnt plan for infact i received those cards many months ago it was crazy to receive over 70 doller bill out of no where there was a time limit to pay it also however they wont refund me they just want to send me some skulkor stuff to make up for the charge so ill borrow the money from my father your decks a ready to go to you im just having trouble getting shipping money sorry about this i hope you understand and thank you for your patence ill get it sent of to you monday =D if i can borrow the money with a few skulkor in for the time late

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« Sent to: LauR on: Today at 03:37:42 AM »
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hey should be sent any day now ive almost made a sale to get money to send your decks out just waiting on them to reply

The downside to the box would be the increased shipping, though I guess that would vary with the type of wood used.

If I recall correctly the vortex deck and the actuator decks were also USPCC releases but their backs did not resemble their logo.

What's wrong with their logo- not that I'm saying I like the deck I'm just curious? Is there a reason it wont get approved?

butler strikes again?

Whilst the map does hint at being the next stage of the quest its quite weird that to accomplish it you would have to essentially destroy the box your deck came in.

The ace of spade looks a bit like the seasons imo, but the back design is very nice, simple but appealing.

Quite surprised that ellusionist went the route of aged looking playing cards. From the recent sale of the series 1800 I gathered that the cards were not amongst the most popular items from ellusionist, and its understandable why the market hasn't flocked to those like the other decks.

That being said though, the interior design of the box is wonderful to the extent that the ripped box itself by far catches my attention much more than the cards.

Ccould you provide a link to their homepage/facebook thanks? I tried googling MSM playing cards facebook and found one with 4 likes: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Misdirections-Mystery/150983641587589 but it doesn't look like the right one.

Thanks

Super shipping! Decks arrived in perfect condition.

Thanks,

Rob

Quote from: moon.exe on October 25, 2012, 12:32:28 AM

-sigh-

What is it exactly that you guys don't like? There's so many comments about being disappointed, but so little explanation. Does every deck that's release have to have metallic, full-custom court cards and a crapload of gimmick features?

I already pretty much answered this, but I'll just emphasize that as competition increases in design, with more and more decks coming out with lots of customization, very intricate and beautiful designs, metallic ink and whatever else, the standard for decks is constantly being raised. I do appreciate a simple design (again some of my favorite decks include White Lions, Vintage Plaid, Bee Stingers, etc.).

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It's really annoying to see that so many people say they're "disappointed" yet fail to see even the simplest details in a deck. You guys have been so stuffed with the big things that you don't see the subtlety anymore.

Maybe you'd like to point out some of these details that we so clearly missed? I'm not quite so sure what you mean by simple details in these decks since the Rebels/Sultans actually have pretty detailed back designs. You can put a lot of detail in a back design, but it can still feel uninspired.

A lot of times it does come down to personal taste, and I'll use the comparison of White Lions and Players as an example. The designs are very similar in style, and have a simple yet elegant feel to them. I wasn't a fan of the Players partially because there was too much blank space on the back design that made it feel empty. Also because there wasn't a ton of hype surrounding the deck that ended up being a letdown.

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Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but at least try to have an educated one.

and lol at this. Who made you the expert on what constitutes good personal taste in a back design? Probably the most pretentious thing I've seen on these forums

It's funny how correct sr15 is, you say there is no explanation of why we're not impressed by this deck then list the very reasons we stated, derp?

Your second argument is highly flawed, if individuals say they were "underwhelmed" or "disappointed," then clearly they did see the subtlety, but that it was too bland/simple. They recognise the deck is not too cluttered, not too outreaching, or subtle as you put it (which seems to be an incorrect use of the term as subtle implies there is an overall detail or theme being expressed by the lack of detail, which you do not mention or explain) but due to this are disappointed. furthermore, rather than a subtle design, the term simple may have been the more correct choice.

Furthermore, as sr15 has pointed out your final statement is hilarious. How do you have an educated opinion about a deck design. Are you meant to quote techniques used in the printing or design? Presumably not, as that would be a quite unreasonable and unrealistic. If anything, the opinions stated on this forums should be paid attention to by the big playing cards company as it is valuable first-hand feedback from their target market.