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« on: March 31, 2013, 10:40:28 PM »
 

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had to share this link.  notice they have rounded corners, but no squeezers.  these are over 100 years old and the realism is remarkable.  why didn't these catch on?


http://www.wopc.co.uk/italy/austrian-lloyd-steamship.html
 

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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2013, 01:09:25 AM »
 

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had to share this link.  notice they have rounded corners, but no squeezers.  these are over 100 years old and the realism is remarkable.  why didn't these catch on?


http://www.wopc.co.uk/italy/austrian-lloyd-steamship.html

By "squeezers" I assume you mean indices.  Whoever said they DIDN'T catch on?  The majority of older decks that still survive to this day are here because the deck was popular enough to spread far and wide enough that there were more decks made and a greater chance of some examples of it surviving over the years.  Many of the short-run decks that survived are either more recent in history or were viewed as something to be saved in the first place.

There's a reason why this category of collecting is referred to as "ephemera"...
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2013, 02:54:39 AM »
 

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What? How did they not catch on? Do you mean why the court cards changed?
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What? How did they not catch on? Do you mean why the court cards changed?

I think he could be referring to the art style.  It did catch on - except that this particular design was probably considerably more expensive at the time it was made, the kind of deck an upper-income family might have in the house for games among friends.  Even in the antebellum years, a basic, decent-quality deck of cards wasn't the cheapest thing in the world - for some, it could add up to a few days' pay or more.  In most "Old West" saloons, it was the bar that owned the playing cards used by the patrons, and they stored them after closing in a multi-deck press to flatten them out and get more life out of them.

Additionally, the big game wasn't poker like you see in the movies all the time - it was faro, a bastardization of "pharaoh" and the name of a popular gambling game where the players competed against the house.  It's where the faro shuffle came from; since it was important for the players in a game of faro to separate pairs of cards that had come together during play, a perfect weave shuffle was used to break up those pairs.  It wasn't too long thereafter that some people who ran these games discovered that when you perform eight perfect weave shuffles where the top and bottom cards don't change, the deck is restored to its original order!

But I'm rambling.  The style of art in that deck is still used in some decks today that are far more affordable than they were back in 1895.  The style tends to be more popular in Europe, France in particular.  Certain French Tarot cards are made in this style - in France, there's a game called "tarot" that uses the cards of a tarot deck that's designed for play rather than cartomancy, with simplifications of the art in comparison, proper indices and the use of traditional Anglo-Rouen suits.  In some ways it's similar to what you're trying to accomplish with your deck design, except that you're trying to create even more court cards rather than a trump suit (what in a cartomancy tarot deck would be the "major arcana").

Cards like that are less common in America for one huge reason - by and large, the people who play with cards like the traditional style that has developed here over the past couple of centuries.  Dyed-in-the-wool poker players, from amateur to pro, want to use 100% standard decks with standard art - anything else gets dropped on the kids' table for them to play with.  Break out a case of that deck type in a professionally-run poker room and you'll have a revolt on your hands in no time flat.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2013, 08:17:25 PM »
 

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don - just to give you a lit more meat.  i do have a trump suit in the 2nd deck.  check out.  http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/12435-would-you-stand-at-24/  it seems i need $4000 to get a math assessment. 

lets just say in this 2nd deck i'm thinking of a casino game better than "black jack"  that is a bold statement.  what casino game is most popular beside slots.   i'm thinking this game will be called "gold king"  what better name than the highest card in the deck.   cards have been around for 600 years and the ace has been the highest for only 200 years; jokers have been around for 150 years.  jokers will be my new ace.  if you play texas hold'em with this deck, nothing has really changed beside pocket deuces will beat pocket AA's.   yea, i can see a riot. 
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don - just to give you a lit more meat.  i do have a trump suit in the 2nd deck.  check out.  http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/12435-would-you-stand-at-24/  it seems i need $4000 to get a math assessment. 

lets just say in this 2nd deck i'm thinking of a casino game better than "black jack"  that is a bold statement.  what casino game is most popular beside slots.   i'm thinking this game will be called "gold king"  what better name than the highest card in the deck.   cards have been around for 600 years and the ace has been the highest for only 200 years; jokers have been around for 150 years.  jokers will be my new ace.  if you play texas hold'em with this deck, nothing has really changed beside pocket deuces will beat pocket AA's.   yea, i can see a riot.

You could easily introduce it as a novelty game for home use, but before you even consider approaching a casino, they're going to want to know the math surrounding it inside out and upside down before they'll even want to be in the same room with it...

In your shoes, I'd be more concerned about making my first deck a success before rushing off to make a second one!  Either that, or drop/shelve the first deck idea and work on the second to your heart's content.  Both projects will suffer if you spread yourself too thin.
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