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Robert Butler · « **on:** October 09, 2011, 10:13:30 PM »

Hey everyone, If you don't know me my name is Rob and I'm a Deck Lore Master. What the hell is that? Well lets break it down shall we?

(Deck) A pack of playing cards

(Lore) the body of knowledge, especially of a traditional, anecdotal, or popular nature

(Master) My ego LOL

I've spent 3 solid years researching playing cards down to Stock, finish, ink to stock ratio, creation process. I've spent a lot of time figuring out a lot of process involving cards in general. I have very reliable sources to my research on being the USPCC its self. So this thread is for all of you enthusiasts to post your questions and I will answer them. Enjoy!

Evan · « **Reply #1 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:14:27 PM »

interesting... sounds fun!

phantom1412 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:22:33 PM »

Can I ask something like how many .... were made?

john · « **Reply #3 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:24:10 PM »

Quote from: phantom1412 on October 09, 2011, 10:22:33 PM

Can I ask something like how many .... were made?

Umm... How many of what, that might help Rob out a little.

Robert Butler · « **Reply #4 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:26:12 PM »

Questions have no limits but specifics will always help

phantom1412 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:27:29 PM »

Question like
How many v6 were made?
How many green crown deck were made?

Robert Butler · « **Reply #6 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:28:42 PM »

Yes that's fine

V6 30,000
All Crown decks 30,000

john · « **Reply #7 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:31:27 PM »

Quote from: Robert Butler on October 09, 2011, 10:28:42 PM

Yes that's fine

V6 30,000
All Crown decks 30,000

Damn, I asked Kevin Reylek and he said "I know, but i can't release that information to the public"

phantom1412 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:35:30 PM »

Wow, thanks.
And crown decks you said 30000, is that for all color or each color?

And how many v1-v5, IAOCP, magic con were made?

Robert Butler · « **Reply #9 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:39:44 PM »

Well V1 I'm not sure but I'm guessing around V3 and higher they started printing 30K decks as that is the average corporate order to the USPCC

As for the crowns that's per color.

Magic-Con: 1000

IAOCP: its limited so they made a number in the 2500 or lower but i'll have to confirm the number

phantom1412 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:45:31 PM »

And do you know about T11 deck , David blaine decks?

Robert Butler · « **Reply #11 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:46:35 PM »

I know about most decks on the market. If you have questions I cant answer I can find the answer and get back to you. Just assume I know the answer to most of your questions.

phantom1412 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:51:49 PM »

Yeah, thanks.
I wanted to ask how many JAQK, black stingers, propaganda, white lions, Split spades original, split spades bee, and Split spades lions were print?

john · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2011, 10:55:43 PM »

I'll throw a couple question into the mix.

How many artifice v1 blue were there?
How many decks do you have?
Do you have pictures/videos of your collection?
How many jerrys nuggets were printed?
Finally , How many watermelon bees were printed?

Robert Butler · « **Reply #14 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:09:09 PM »

Quote from: jdsob97 on October 09, 2011, 10:55:43 PM

I'll throw a couple question into the mix.

How many artifice v1 blue were there?
How many decks do you have?
Do you have pictures/videos of your collection?
How many jerrys nuggets were printed?
Finally , How many watermelon bees were printed?

1. 30,000
2. not many, I've sold a lot of them for things my family has needed but I've had the privilege of getting my hands on some good things.
3. I used to do Deck Reviews but stopped in order to dive into a 6 month study of stocks and finishes. I recently finished that and I'll be revealing new reviews on Modern Manipulator. I've never made a video of my collection and likely never will.
4. The USPCC has never kept record how many vintage decks or most of the modern decks they've printed. There just now putting things in place to keep record of that info. Lee Asher might be able to tell me how many were printed so I'll give him a shout to see if he knows then I'll get back to you.
5. Same goes for the Watermelons. I'll do some digging.

As for all the questions about how many decks were printed like T11 and E decks. Unless they were put up as a rare deck or limited deck, there set at a 30K print run. A lot of decks were sold out and were reprinted to supply demand and have as many as 60 to 90 thousand on the market.

john · « **Reply #15 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:18:42 PM »

Say i would like to do into this study, how would i go by means of finding all of the information you know?

Also thank you for answering my questions.

Robert Butler · « **Reply #16 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:22:00 PM »

Quote from: jdsob97 on October 09, 2011, 11:18:42 PM

Say i would like to do into this study, how would i go by means of finding all of the information you know?

Also thank you for answering my questions.

That is a very popular question. I have to tell you tho, its taken me a very long time to acquire this information of mine. And it comes from talking, experimenting and networking with the right people. Even if you knew the right people, you would then need to do your own home work to acquire all the specifics. The answer is you must dig like I did and find your own methods. Its far too difficult for me to just hand you the secrets. Hopefully you understand.

Evan · « **Reply #17 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:24:51 PM »

I don't know if he is making all this up or not but I don't think the Blue Crown had 30,000 for each color deck. Also, Blue Artifice v1 wasn't 30,000... it was 50,000

Robert Butler · « **Reply #18 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:27:01 PM »

Quote from: ezstreet1997 on October 09, 2011, 11:24:51 PM

I don't know if he is making all this up or not but I don't think the Blue Crown had 30,000 for each color deck. Also, Blue Artifice v1 wasn't 30,000... it was 50,000

Well you can contest me but I honestly thought it was 30 but I'll ask Jason in the morning. No since in trying to be so harsh tho.

Evan · « **Reply #19 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:27:43 PM »

Quote from: Robert Butler on October 09, 2011, 11:27:01 PM

Well you can contest me but I honestly thought it was 30 but I'll ask Jason in the morning. No since in trying to be so harsh tho.

Im not trying to be harsh but your answers don't seem accurate

Robert Butler · « **Reply #20 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:29:20 PM »

Well My knowledge is very sharp in all areas but I didn't expect such a high demand for Printed Amounts. I know on average its 30K. I'll do some digging first thing in the morning with the USPCC and Jason. For now lets put the Amount questions to rest as you are right, there not nearly accurate enough to state so.

john · « **Reply #21 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:31:17 PM »

Quote from: Robert Butler on October 09, 2011, 11:22:00 PM

That is a very popular question. I have to tell you tho, its taken me a very long time to acquire this information of mine. And it comes from talking, experimenting and networking with the right people. Even if you knew the right people, you would then need to do your own home work to acquire all the specifics. The answer is you must dig like I did and find your own methods. Its far too difficult for me to just hand you the secrets. Hopefully you understand.

I understand, it took you many months to learn all this and you don't want to just give information away, although were should i begin in my quest for knowledge.

Robert Butler · « **Reply #22 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:38:04 PM »

start with what you have. Look at all the decks you have and pay attention to the differences. here are some starter tips for you.

DECK SPECS

*Ink to Stock Ratio- The deck is printed on different thicknesses of stock. But Ink to stock ratio is the amount of ink in the cards vs the stock. Bee is a good stock but not if its all black. Becomes soft and breaks down much faster. Tho it is the ideal stock for a black deck as it will hold up longer than any other.

*Cut- how was the deck cut? Traditional where it faros face down?

*Finishes- research this area of cards as its very sketchy to the public knowledge. Some finishes are not actually finishes.

*Stocks- Like finishes some stocks are confused. but learn the different thickness of the stocks between Bicycle, Bee, & aristocrat. Learn about the levels of thickness within each brand.

This is a very basic start.

john · « **Reply #23 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:45:49 PM »

Quote from: Robert Butler on October 09, 2011, 11:38:04 PM

start with what you have. Look at all the decks you have and pay attention to the differences. here are some starter tips for you.

DECK SPECS

*Ink to Stock Ratio- The deck is printed on different thicknesses of stock. But Ink to stock ratio is the amount of ink in the cards vs the stock. Bee is a good stock but not if its all black. Becomes soft and breaks down much faster. Tho it is the ideal stock for a black deck as it will hold up longer than any other.

*Cut- how was the deck cut? Traditional where it faros face down?

*Finishes- research this area of cards as its very sketchy to the public knowledge. Some finishes are not actually finishes.

*Stocks- Like finishes some stocks are confused. but learn the different thickness of the stocks between Bicycle, Bee, & aristocrat. Learn about the levels of thickness within each brand.

This is a very basic start.

Oh alright some of that i already know

(Ink to stock) I know very little about

(Cut) I would like to think i can tell the difference between a traditional and nontraditional cut deck

(finish) Like how linen is really a stock, same goes with air cushion it refers to the dimples

(stock) I am like 80% sure i know my stocks.

So with the information i provided, how much do you think I know? (1% being an average card player, 100% being you)

Robert Butler · « **Reply #24 on:** October 09, 2011, 11:49:58 PM »

There's too many little extras for me to answer that and it shouldn't matter what I think anyways.