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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Rob Wright on September 24, 2014, 12:24:02 AM
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Kardify has a nice sneak peak at this series. No decks seem like they will be available at launch, just CU pads and a clip. But they do look mighty slick, and they casually show off a matching deck in the marketing that I am really liking the back of and matched the clip. I'm more excited for this than I should be, slick marketing and hype works on me.
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First Look: The Rion Collection: Here's an exclusive first look of the Rion Collection from Jon Noir featuring an exquisite range of luxurious playing card goods and accessories, from the elegant close-up pads to the perfectly crafted card clips. Defined by the combination of exceptional design, detail and exclusive materials, the Rion Collection was initially teased on Instagram and this has generated quite a buzz
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I'm more excited for this than I should be, slick marketing and hype works on me.
They do look pretty awesome!
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I'm more excited for this than I should be, slick marketing and hype works on me.
They do look pretty awesome!
I agree, from what I can see they're very nice. I'm definitely interested in this deck. The back design has a very nice pattern that I think will have broad appeal. I wonder what colors will be available.
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Any idea where these will be sold? Link? Or is your guess as good as mine.
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Any idea where these will be sold? Link? Or is your guess as good as mine.
The photos say www.jonnoir.com (http://www.jonnoir.com) on the edge with a bunch of other text. For now, though, the link is useless - it displays an "under construction" notice from Network Solutions.
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Love the look of what limited detail can be seen so far - particularly the card clip which matches the deck back design. The 'promotional marketing' material grabs my attention, but then again I am a marketeers dream. In fear of stating the obvious, I suspect these are going to be heavy on the wallet.....
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Really nice looking deck. Looking forward to them.
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The Standard. #TheRionDeck | Soon.
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If looking at their other products is any indicator, it's going to be crazy-expensive.
Close-up pad in leather and velvet (blanketed with the company logo)
8"x11": $145 - 10"x15": $200
One flat-spined clip, looks similar to the flat-spined Porper, wrapped in leather with a logo
$100
Deck, white-bordered with back design made of repeating company logo
$??
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If looking at their other products is any indicator, it's going to be crazy-expensive.
Close-up pad in leather and velvet (blanketed with the company logo)
8"x11": $145 - 10"x15": $200
That does seem like a lot of money, but I don't have much of a frame of reference - what do you guys reckon is a reasonable price for a high quality (assuming this is high quality) close up pad of this nature?
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If looking at their other products is any indicator, it's going to be crazy-expensive.
Close-up pad in leather and velvet (blanketed with the company logo)
8"x11": $145 - 10"x15": $200
One flat-spined clip, looks similar to the flat-spined Porper, wrapped in leather with a logo
$100
Deck, white-bordered with back design made of repeating company logo
$??
I don't think $100 for a luxury leather flat-spine Porper clip is unusually expensive? Its comparable with REhandcrafted and D&D, if not slightly cheaper.
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If looking at their other products is any indicator, it's going to be crazy-expensive.
Deck, white-bordered with back design made of repeating company logo
$??
I'm guessing $10. Purely a SWAG.
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If looking at their other products is any indicator, it's going to be crazy-expensive.
Deck, white-bordered with back design made of repeating company logo
$??
I'm guessing $10. Purely a SWAG.
I'm putting my money on $15. Any more bets? :P
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I don't think $100 for a luxury leather flat-spine Porper clip is unusually expensive? Its comparable with REhandcrafted and D&D, if not slightly cheaper.
It might not be the most expensive, but it is indeed expensive. A straight up Porper clip goes for what, $25-30? Cheaper clips go for $10 or $15? So yes, a triple-digit price tag on a clip, leather bound or not, is expensive, as is a $200 close-up pad when a basic rubber-and-felt model goes for about $20-$25. I'll grant you, it's like comparing a Mercedes-Benz sedan with all the trimmings to a subcompact Kia without any options, but both do still get the job of getting from point A to point B done in pretty much the same way and I'd rather have the world focused on my performance than my performance tools.
If looking at their other products is any indicator, it's going to be crazy-expensive.
Deck, white-bordered with back design made of repeating company logo
$??
I'm guessing $10. Purely a SWAG.
Based on the rest of the company's offerings, I doubt one would be so lucky. More than $10, I'm nearly certain of it - perhaps $15 or even $20. But I'm almost convinced it will be more than $10.
The bigger question is whether or not it would be worth it. Will it really be that much better than a pack of Bikes? Or a pack of all the other less-expensive custom decks already out there?
The company is trying to portray and sell an image, more so than they're trying to sell products. They want customers who will pay for luxury items because of how it makes them appear to others. In my book, that would be to make them appear pretentious, with too much money and not enough wisdom.
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I have to give it to them, they've managed to create a classy-looking back design where so many others have failed. I'll have to wait for a price point before I make any decision though, I do prefer to pick up decks by the brick and that comes with a certain per-deck limit.
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I have to give it to them, they've managed to create a classy-looking back design where so many others have failed. I'll have to wait for a price point before I make any decision though, I do prefer to pick up decks by the brick and that comes with a certain per-deck limit.
I agree, I tend to buy the same way. Wouldn't mind a color photo or three either. Then I can increase my per-deck limit a little, if they grab me.
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I have to give it to them, they've managed to create a classy-looking back design where so many others have failed. I'll have to wait for a price point before I make any decision though, I do prefer to pick up decks by the brick and that comes with a certain per-deck limit.
Anyone notice the one-way?
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I have to give it to them, they've managed to create a classy-looking back design where so many others have failed. I'll have to wait for a price point before I make any decision though, I do prefer to pick up decks by the brick and that comes with a certain per-deck limit.
Anyone notice the one-way?
I did not notice, thanks for pointing that out. Now I just want one.
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I did notice the one-way back but it doesn't bother me as long as it's that "subtle" (it's not subtle but it's not a proper one-way like portraits are either). And I'm assuming it's a digital mockup in the picture and that the decks aren't (weren't) printed yet, so it might be fixed for the release.
(Yes, I'm an optimist!)
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I have to give it to them, they've managed to create a classy-looking back design where so many others have failed. I'll have to wait for a price point before I make any decision though, I do prefer to pick up decks by the brick and that comes with a certain per-deck limit.
I agree, I tend to buy the same way. Wouldn't mind a color photo or three either. Then I can increase my per-deck limit a little, if they grab me.
The home page of jonnoir.com has a color photo of a court card and the card back. Look at the "tile" where they announce they'll be taking pre-orders soon.
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I did notice the one-way back but it doesn't bother me as long as it's that "subtle" (it's not subtle but it's not a proper one-way like portraits are either). And I'm assuming it's a digital mockup in the picture and that the decks aren't (weren't) printed yet, so it might be fixed for the release.
(Yes, I'm an optimist!)
I hope so also. I'm really liking what I've seen.
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The home page of jonnoir.com has a color photo of a court card and the card back. Look at the "tile" where they announce they'll be taking pre-orders soon.
I did notice the one-way back but it doesn't bother me as long as it's that "subtle" (it's not subtle but it's not a proper one-way like portraits are either). And I'm assuming it's a digital mockup in the picture and that the decks aren't (weren't) printed yet, so it might be fixed for the release.
(Yes, I'm an optimist!)
I hope so also. I'm really liking what I've seen.
Taking a gander at that tile image it looks like the deck is not one way. Maybe it was fixed and we'll see a deck that has a nice playable back. We'll have to see when it's released or when we see more photos, but I'm joining the optimist side of things here too haha. Can always hope. :)
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The home page of jonnoir.com has a color photo of a court card and the card back. Look at the "tile" where they announce they'll be taking pre-orders soon.
Nice catch. Looks like it's no longer a one-way design anymore, and I like the colors on the court cards so this is shaping up to be a nice deck so far.
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I have to give it to them, they've managed to create a classy-looking back design where so many others have failed. I'll have to wait for a price point before I make any decision though, I do prefer to pick up decks by the brick and that comes with a certain per-deck limit.
I agree, I tend to buy the same way. Wouldn't mind a color photo or three either. Then I can increase my per-deck limit a little, if they grab me.
The home page of jonnoir.com has a color photo of a court card and the card back. Look at the "tile" where they announce they'll be taking pre-orders soon.
Picture Attached. Thanks Don! :))
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Has anyone heard anything on this deck? I was interested before and still am.
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He's revamping his website and the countdown timer says 18 days, that might have something to do with it?
Last I've seen was a comment on his instagram that said EPCC is taking a bit too long to get the cards done.
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It can be a nice deck for poker... if it won't be marked.
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It can be a nice deck for poker... if it won't be marked.
I agree. I wonder if there will be two versions of this.
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Is anyone any the wiser on this one?
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I've been trading FB messages with them. They are fixing a glitch on the new website and then will go live with the cards. They are also working on version 2 of the pad and clip.
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I noticed Jon changed logo's. I'm wondering if the plan is to still produce the deck the way we originally saw it. The whole back design incorporated his old logo. Strange to switch logo's while you still have product with the old yet to be released.
I am looking forward to this deck as originally designed. Hope that design is still what we are getting.
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Looks like they're opening for business next week at midnight on Monday morning. It would be nicer if they had mentioned what time zone...but it's easy enough to infer he's talking about EST in the US/Canada, or 04:00 Mon 13 Apr UTC/GMT.
I noticed Jon changed logo's. I'm wondering if the plan is to still produce the deck the way we originally saw it. The whole back design incorporated his old logo. Strange to switch logo's while you still have product with the old yet to be released.
I am looking forward to this deck as originally designed. Hope that design is still what we are getting.
It's possible that the logo switch coincides with a switch in the deck design. As you stated, it would seem odd to create one logo, switch it before the official relaunch, then release your merchandise with the OLD logo on it. In which case, why roll out the new logo now instead of waiting for the old-logo merch to be sold out?
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Hey Playing Card Forum!
Just wanted to pop in and let you all know that Jon Noir has merged with 52Kards, and we will be launching this deck through Kickstarter on February 1st! The deck has been rebranded and is now called the Black Mint deck. You can find more info and join the waitlist here - http://52kards.com/mint
I'd be happy to answer any questions about the project.
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Hey Playing Card Forum!
Just wanted to pop in and let you all know that Jon Noir has merged with 52Kards, and we will be launching this deck through Kickstarter on February 1st! The deck has been rebranded and is now called the Black Mint deck. You can find more info and join the waitlist here - http://52kards.com/mint
I'd be happy to answer any questions about the project.
I forgot about these. I remember having these on my list of decks I wanted to purchase.
What's with the re-branding name "MINT"?
It's not a good name.
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Now Live!!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/52kards/black-mint-playing-cards?ref=card
Any chance we can get a rename on this thread?
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Hey PCF,
We launched the Black Mint deck earlier today on KS and it got completely funded in 39 minutes! Check out the project and let me know what you think of the cards. If they look familiar it's because they used to be called the Rion playing cards from Jon Noir. Jon Noir has merged with 52Kards and we are proud to finally release them as a part of the Mint Collection.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/52kards/black-mint-playing-cards/
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Hey Playing Card Forum!
Just wanted to pop in and let you all know that Jon Noir has merged with 52Kards, and we will be launching this deck through Kickstarter on February 1st! The deck has been rebranded and is now called the Black Mint deck. You can find more info and join the waitlist here - http://52kards.com/mint
I'd be happy to answer any questions about the project.
I forgot about these. I remember having these on my list of decks I wanted to purchase.
What's with the re-branding name "MINT"?
It's not a good name.
I'm glad you don't answer questions. It made the decision easier. :))
Nice to know Kickstarter playing card projects still have 50K potential.
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It's not a bad deck but it's not my cup of tea. I understand there's a market for this type of deck but it blows my mind that most modern minimalist decks fail miserably while this one is almost over $55K :o
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It's not a bad deck but it's not my cup of tea. I understand there's a market for this type of deck but it blows my mind that most modern minimalist decks fail miserably while this one is almost over $55K :o
For as much time as it took to get this deck ready, its very inconsistent. The back design and court cards are some of the best Ive seen. The aces and name (branding) are not good at all. This would of made an excellent "madison presents" deck, with some DM minimalist changes to it.
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It's not a bad deck but it's not my cup of tea. I understand there's a market for this type of deck but it blows my mind that most modern minimalist decks fail miserably while this one is almost over $55K :o
I can understand that, but there was a wee bit more hype behind this one and that name brand (for whatever that's worth).
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I'm glad to see there's success happening on KS. A lot of decks have struggled lately, some of them have been quite good too. That's something that I've found a little disturbing. Even so, it's nice to see a deck succeeding and being funded well. Overall this is a nice deck in my opinion.
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I'm glad to see there's success happening on KS. A lot of decks have struggled lately, some of them have been quite good too. That's something that I've found a little disturbing. Even so, it's nice to see a deck succeeding and being funded well. Overall this is a nice deck in my opinion.
I like that it's funding because it shows another genre of custom playing cards- the minimalist design- is still alive and well!
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Somehow I got a feeling that the alignment on the Limited edition gonna be messed up...
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Somehow I got a feeling that the alignment on the Limited edition gonna be messed up...
I share your feeling in that haha. If things go as they have been, it's a crap shoot on the non-limited border as well. The Bike shop is still churning out more decks than they probably should a day. Will be interesting to see the end result.
I like that it's funding because it shows another genre of custom playing cards- the minimalist design- is still alive and well!
They have a nice classy look to them and I enjoy the image feel the repeating pattern has but in my opinion this doesn't quite fall into the minimalist category. I don't think there is enough negative space on them for that.
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They have a nice classy look to them and I enjoy the image feel the repeating pattern has but in my opinion this doesn't quite fall into the minimalist category. I don't think there is enough negative space on them for that.
I was thinking this as well, this reads more like a casino/classic style deck to me, especially with standardish courts and suits.
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Big update to the project today fellas. We reached our final stretch goal and now the Raspberry Mint deck is unlocked! (see the picture below). Here is a summary of all of the stretch goals we were able to smash through to help us OVER deliver on this project and create the absolute best deck we possibly can.
- Custom Seal UNLOCKED - Each deck will come with a beautiful seal to fasten the box.
- Embossed Box UNLOCKED - The box will feature intricate embossed texture.
- Box Foiling UNLOCKED - shimmering foiled accents to give the box that extra pop.
- Traditionally Cut cards UNLOCKED - Traditionally cut for perfect faro shuffling.
- Limited Edition Deck UNLOCKED - The Limited Edition Black Mint is available exclusively to Kickstarter backers. These will not be fore sale after the project campaign is over. They feature a borderless design with an aesthetic gold line pattern.
- Interior Box Design UNLOCKED - The INSIDE of the box printed with a beautiful foiled Mint pattern. This requires an additional die and an extra step of production, but we think it's well worth it.
- RASPBERRY MINT UNLOCKED - This is the really BIG one. We hit our $90,000 stretch goal which means we are getting the next edition of The Mint Collection printed now! The tasty Raspberry Mints have all of the same features as the Black Mint deck, but it comes in a beautiful shade of red. Backers of the Kickstarter project will get to decide how many Black Mints and how many Raspberry Mints they would like to get with their pledged money at the end of the campaign. See the photo below to get a preview of the Raspberries!
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Absolutely love the tuck, it's nearly perfect in my perspective, from the gloss black on matte pattern on the back to the minimalistic foiled design with subtle gloss letterpress accent, couldn't look better.
I hate the pips. Each pip has a stylistic 'shadow' that wasn't apparent in any of the pictures of videos throughout the campaign nor shows on the Rion Collection teaser initially, it looks gimmicky and cheap and I am relly disappointed with that design choice. The courts are boring, a little too spartan and mostly black, not really bad, but not good either. The back design is solid, and is exactly as shown, wish it didn't include a marking system because it's obviously not a two way back. But those pips kill the whole thing for me.
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Hi all,
I just received my decks today and I opened a red mint. I have to say they look absolutely gorgeous! I like the red and the back pattern, a red full bleed back would have been nice though ;) I'm also not quite happy with the indices, since they are to far away from the edge and only look mediocre in fans. But this is a problem with new custom deck in general. It's so hard to find a nice custom deck, which also looks nice when fanned. standard faces are still the best looking, in terms of index placement. There is a trend on bigger redesigned indices like KWP decks which just don't look good at all, when fanned >:(
But rant over the cards in total look awesome.
I'm only a little disappointed by the quality of the cards, which can't compete with their design. Does anybody know which stock was used? it says premium and states that its different from bicycle stock, but I thought there is only Bee and bicycle. But the decks definitely handle worse than a standard deck of Bees?
Can anyone confirm this?
cheers
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Hi all,
I just received my decks today and I opened a red mint. I have to say they look absolutely gorgeous! I like the red and the back pattern, a red full bleed back would have been nice though ;) I'm also not quite happy with the indices, since they are to far away from the edge and only look mediocre in fans. But this is a problem with new custom deck in general. It's so hard to find a nice custom deck, which also looks nice when fanned. standard faces are still the best looking, in terms of index placement. There is a trend on bigger redesigned indices like KWP decks which just don't look good at all, when fanned >:(
But rant over the cards in total look awesome.
I'm only a little disappointed by the quality of the cards, which can't compete with their design. Does anybody know which stock was used? it says premium and states that its different from bicycle stock, but I thought there is only Bee and bicycle. But the decks definitely handle worse than a standard deck of Bees?
Can anyone confirm this?
cheers
USPC has always has issues with stock consistency. It could very well be Bee Casino stock, but no two batches of Bee Casino stock will have exactly the same characteristics, once they've been made into playing cards. They do what they can by using humidity control in the storage room where the pasteboard is kept before printing, but in part their hands are tied by variances in the quality of what their paper mills are providing them. Add to that the fact that they have to use a high post-consumer recycled content and it becomes nearly impossible to make perfectly consistent pasteboard stock of the same quality every single batch.
As far as index size and placement - that's really up to the designer. Some go for bigger indices, some for smaller. Bigger are easier on the eyes, smaller are more elegant and look nicer in fans. You have to take care in terms of how close to the edge you place them - USPC will focus more on centering the backs than on centering the faces when printing and cutting, because the backs are more critical for playability and have to be as identical and radially symmetrical as possible. So as a safety measure, or simply as a style choice, some designers will make their indices further from the edge than is really necessary for practicality in game play and cardistry.
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Thanks Don for the information. I also found a review on his youtube channel which states, that it is indeed Bee stock. I was just surprised that it is too thin and soft, not what I was expecting.