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« on: February 08, 2012, 11:25:05 AM »
 

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somone asked d and d on twitter if they would re sell any of the past smoke and mirrors decks and they said

  bucktwins Dan and Dave      @        @MattySag3 We plan on releasing a new edition later this year. Stay tuned. awesome so there confermed this year im saving my money for the realease haha im not missing them
 
 

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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 12:43:31 PM »
 

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ok lets be honest... that was kinda a no brainer. v6 came out in what, September of 2011? pretty safe to say that they would release another S&M in 2012
have you heard the word???
 

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 12:55:38 PM »
 

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I am very excited, as, if I manage to get my hands on these, they would be my first Dan and Dave playing cards!
 

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 01:28:20 PM »
 

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I wonder if it's going to be the black version that people have been referring to as the carbon edition.
 

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 01:34:17 PM »
 

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Probably.  They said no more coloured editions.  Hopefully, they'll be at the same quality of the others and not the quality of their more recent efforts.
 

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 01:38:11 PM »
 

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finally i will be able to get one at a low price if they do release them ??
 

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 01:39:05 PM »
 

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Hang on, I thought that the V6 were supposed to be the final deck?
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 01:43:04 PM »
 

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Yes! This is the Smoke and Mirrors I've been looking forward to! I'm not surprised that they are actually making it. I figured it would happen sooner or later. I doubt it'll happen until summer or later though.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 01:50:36 PM »
 

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Hmm.... Curious.... The stuff you guys mentioned are very interesting....
You guys just made me look forward to this.  :)
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 02:07:58 PM »
 

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NO. The v6 were supposed to be the last of the Color Edition. However, black is not a colour, it is the absence of color. I believe though that there is a possibility that this deck is not what we expect it to be.
 

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 02:09:08 PM »
 

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Oh. And I was wondering, what takes them so long between each deck release? Isn't each deck almost the same except for the color and slight differences in the court card designs?
 

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2012, 02:29:53 PM »
 

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Oh. And I was wondering, what takes them so long between each deck release? Isn't each deck almost the same except for the color and slight differences in the court card designs?
Maybe because they want to release all of these decks with standard faces...  :-*
 

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2012, 02:32:47 PM »
 

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But don't decks with standard faces take less time to create since you don't have to come up with new face card ideas?
 

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2012, 02:37:59 PM »
 

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Yep, they space them out for marketing purposes etc.  Do you really think they work on it from the release date of one to the release of the next one?  These things probably take a lot of time in prototyping and getting the handling right, talking with USPCC but the design?  If it takes longer than a day, someone's being really lazy.
 

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2012, 04:09:57 PM »
 

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Of course it wouldn't take long since there're no alternations in the design. But I think it takes a bit of time to tweak the colouring into the perfect colour. Plus, it wouldn't make sense if they released each edition only a month apart. That would bring down the hype for the S&M series.
 

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2012, 04:20:51 PM »
 

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Yeah obviously timing is the key. They have to release these at different times for hype and so that each deck becomes more hard to come by as the next one releases. It's not a whole new design so the really only details that need to be worked out are the color and making sure the handling and quality is the same.

In the meantime D&D release a new deck every week with standard faces just so we dont get bored waiting  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2012, 04:25:51 PM »
 

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Getting the right color takes no time at all. Maybe an hour if you're real nitpicky, but that's it. The S&M design lends itself to extremely simple recoloration.

Unless they actually put effort into the design, I don't see myself picking up more than a couple this go-around.
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2012, 04:30:10 PM »
 

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i hope i can get a couple BEFORE they sell out! and if i miss out would someone be able to sell me 2 or 3?
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2012, 04:31:12 PM »
 

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Getting the right color takes no time at all. Maybe an hour if you're real nitpicky, but that's it. The S&M design lends itself to extremely simple recoloration.

Unless they actually put effort into the design, I don't see myself picking up more than a couple this go-around.

Really? It seems all the designers these days have to take a couple different tries to get the colors right. You mentioned that the metallic ink didn't work out and other people have mentioned that they had to get another prototype printed to get the colors right. I didn't think it was that easy haha An hour!?
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2012, 05:24:58 PM »
 

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i hope i can get a couple BEFORE they sell out! and if i miss out would someone be able to sell me 2 or 3?
There will be PLENTY of resellers for it. I'm sure you will find a good deal.
 

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2012, 07:23:49 PM »
 

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I think they might use a different design than the V4-V6 because the V1-3 were one design then the V4-V6 and I think they may make a new design. for V7-....V9?
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2012, 07:25:19 PM »
 

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I don't think there will be a v8 and beyond. I'm guessing this will be the end (hopefully). I'd be guessing it will be the design found on the ad card in the v6 deck
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2012, 07:32:40 PM »
 

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I also got a message from them stating they were releasing more in the Fulton's series as well. No mention of when or what, just that there were more on the way.
 

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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2012, 07:49:26 PM »
 

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fulton tweeted this today
  SterlingFulton Brad Fulton             Week update? FOUR CONSECUTIVE 15 HOUR days. SO...let's just say--something is in the works to say the least...

maybe hes working on it now it was retweeted by the bucktwins i wish there was a release list even if it didnt say what deck just a list of when they were all coming so i could be ready for all the releases
 
 

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2012, 08:16:29 PM »
 

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Well, this is good news. It has been literally dozens of hours since the last D&D deck release, and with an S&M deck we already expect uninspired design. Sounds like it'll be a home run!
 

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2012, 08:37:32 PM »
 

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@brownbaggs: Yes, literally an hour, or less. Their designs are not multi-colored, and they don't have any depth or dimension. Recoloring a D&D deck is about as difficult as (literally) sliding a color slider in Photoshop's hue/saturation menu. Don't believe me? I can probably get the exact tint of the "carbon" color used on the v6 gaff from any of the colored version in five minutes or less. The court cards are a bit more tricky, but not when it comes to removing color which is what we are guessing is happening in v7. Give me another 10-15 minutes and I can recolor the face cards to "carbon" tinting. And I'm in no way special or talented. Ask literally any designer here and they will say the same thing.

The reason I had issues with metallic inks on the Vortex is because metallic inks in and of themselves are too reflective, which takes away from the design in my case.

I love the S&M design, it's why I have multiple decks from every version, but I would be foolish to say that their recoloring takes any effort at all. Believe me, if they did a redesign I would be buying at least a brick. :)
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2012, 09:31:46 PM »
 

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I hope they won't be just changing the colour for S&M and leaving the exact same court cards and back design, sooner or later there'll be a gold, silver etc.. sigh, even so i hate to say it but i'll be getting one too...  :-X
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2012, 09:36:14 PM »
 

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Has anyone ever thought about this?
The Bucks twins may just release up to V9 just so it makes a full brick of S&M?
 

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2012, 09:38:34 PM »
 

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Has anyone ever thought about this?
The Bucks twins may just release up to V9 just so it makes a full brick of S&M?
Wouldn`t it be 13 if they went to V9


2 colours V1
2 Colours V2
2 Colours V3
2 printings V4
1 V5
1 V6
1 V7
1 V8
1 V9
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13 S&M decks




although the 2 versions of V4 dont really count. And that would make an amazing Variety box
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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2012, 09:49:16 PM »
 

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Yeah I only considered one deck for the V4, that's why I said it'll go up to V9 instead of V8.
 

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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2012, 09:59:53 PM »
 

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Guys, they won't go any higher than v7 IMO
 

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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2012, 10:02:42 PM »
 

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Guys, they won't go any higher than v7 IMO

On the other hand, I believe they'll go up to v12 - they should at least make a Variety Box before they end the series.
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2012, 10:11:27 PM »
 

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Guys, they won't go any higher than v7 IMO

On the other hand, I believe they'll go up to v12 - they should at least make a Variety Box before they end the series.

That would make 15 decks though.
 

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2012, 11:15:47 PM »
 

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@Alex, yeah I understand now how easy it would be for them. I've done similar recoloring in photoshop for my art projects, but I thought it would be harder for cards. I guess I was wrong when it comes to the S&M series haha

Yeah I honestly doubt they will go past the v7 deck. They know the community is getting sick of all the different versions and they are really pushing their luck going past v7. Although I'm sure they will sell no matter what they do, they have such a strong audience when it comes to this series.

@Zaganh, I'm not surprised. I'm sure they will have a few more in the Fulton's series. I just hope that they slow it down a little  bit with the releases
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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2012, 11:17:47 PM »
 

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If they do make v7 who thinks they will sell out in two days ??
 

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If they do make v7 who thinks they will sell out in two days ??

I'd be guessing they would sell out in less than a day. It's a series with a strong following. Those who have the other verions will most likely pick up a deck or two to add to the collection. Also if they have another custom brick box that will be even more incentive to buy 12+ decks. I think these will sell out FAST
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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2012, 08:43:57 AM »
 

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Well, this is good news. It has been literally dozens of hours since the last D&D deck release, and with an S&M deck we already expect uninspired design. Sounds like it'll be a home run!


All too true!  All too true.


I think they should have stopped with v6, but it's like releasing Bond movies - they're practically guaranteed to make money, so as long as the production costs are kept low, you make a profit.


My guess, for what it's worth: "carbon fiber" will simply be the black of another black-&-white deck set for v7, using the v4-6 designs.  But honestly, I hope I'm wrong and that they produce something totally unique and original.  Stranger things have happened.


If they do make v7 who thinks they will sell out in two days ??

I'd be guessing they would sell out in less than a day. It's a series with a strong following. Those who have the other verions will most likely pick up a deck or two to add to the collection. Also if they have another custom brick box that will be even more incentive to buy 12+ decks. I think these will sell out FAST


Don't they typically sell out in under an HOUR these days?  I usually find out about them after they're already sold out and I have to go after-market to find them.  17 bucks a pack for v6, and I had to get a replacement deck when my fiancee's son ruined one on me.
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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2012, 08:51:22 AM »
 

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I think I remember V6 being about 3 hours or so
 

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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2012, 09:04:29 AM »
 

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Hmm, does anyone have a strong feeling they're gonna stop at v8/9s to make a variety box of S&Ms? I'll bet that'll be way expensive though... think they might even get the idea here, damn it, if that happens I'll be broke..  :-X
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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2012, 09:57:30 AM »
 

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i think v7 will last more than 2 days
 

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i think v7 will last more than 2 days


As much as people have been bemoaning their lack of originality and/or plethora of releases so close to each other, the "Smoke & Mirrors" brand is like paper gold.  They're a known quantity to collectors, with values increasing over the years.


In other words, two days is unlikely.  They'll be gone in a handful of hours.
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2012, 03:12:49 PM »
 

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Yeah I still think these will sell out fast, probably in a couple hours or less.

Many people keep talking about them probably making a v8 and v9 to make a variety box or something similar, but they mentioned that the v6 was the last colored Smoke and Mirrors deck. This 7th installment is a grey (carbon fiber) deck. They've already done black and white and most likely grew next so what else are they left with? I can't think of what they would come up with for the 8th and 9th versions if they can only go with shades of grey.
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2012, 03:56:35 PM »
 

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I really don't think they'll last more than a day. With the hype of S&M amongst magicians, flourishers and collectors, they'll probably be sold out within 10 hours max.

About the V8, V9, as much as I still believe they'll attempt to make a full brick for the series, you're right @brown_baggs, I'm not sure what variation they could make unless it's shades of grey. Though, this is highly unlikely, what if they use black and white again? The design on V4-V6 (and probably V7) hasn't been done in black and white.
 

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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2012, 04:05:30 PM »
 

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i hope they look awesome if not there smoke and mirrors quality so ill be picking alot up on the release day as theyll only go up so i need to get them while there still reasonble price i love the feel and love to use them hey guys maybe theyll be 7.77 launch price :P
 

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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2012, 04:13:35 PM »
 

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i hope they look awesome if not there smoke and mirrors quality so ill be picking alot up on the release day as theyll only go up so i need to get them while there still reasonble price i love the feel and love to use them hey guys maybe theyll be 7.77 launch price :P
I have a feeling they will be the same back design as V4, V5, and V6..... or since the first 3 were the same, then the next 3 changed, maybe V7 will be a new back design!
 

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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2012, 04:14:13 PM »
 

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I doubt they'll be $7.77 per piece. The price for their S&M decks have always been the same when they launch it on their site. The only reason for the Chinatown deck to cost $8.88 is to correlate with the Chinese New Year, for that 8 is a lucky number in Chinese.
 

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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2012, 04:19:35 PM »
 

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i hope they look awesome if not there smoke and mirrors quality so ill be picking alot up on the release day as theyll only go up so i need to get them while there still reasonble price i love the feel and love to use them hey guys maybe theyll be 7.77 launch price :P
I have a feeling they will be the same back design as V4, V5, and V6..... or since the first 3 were the same, then the next 3 changed, maybe V7 will be a new back design!
I really do hope they change the back design, and I think they will to, so they can finish this series strongly. Also, the first 3 weren't the same: they had subtle differences in the D&D logo, since it changed over the course of the years.
Finally, since I wasn't here for the realease of any of the other S&M, how much did they cost? And how much will these cost in your opinion?
 

Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
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i hope they look awesome if not there smoke and mirrors quality so ill be picking alot up on the release day as theyll only go up so i need to get them while there still reasonble price i love the feel and love to use them hey guys maybe theyll be 7.77 launch price :P
I have a feeling they will be the same back design as V4, V5, and V6..... or since the first 3 were the same, then the next 3 changed, maybe V7 will be a new back design!
I really do hope they change the back design, and I think they will to, so they can finish this series strongly. Also, the first 3 weren't the same: they had subtle differences in the D&D logo, since it changed over the course of the years.
Finally, since I wasn't here for the realease of any of the other S&M, how much did they cost? And how much will these cost in your opinion?
I think V6 was $5.99 but I don't know for sure.
 

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But yeah DDs handles so great and its a shame that they sell out so quickly. i don't really mind the back design not changing. Keeps the cost down ^_^
 

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BUCK TWINS! Y U NO MAKE PINK DECK LoL! hahahahah!
But yeah DDs handles so great and its a shame that they sell out so quickly. i don't really mind the back design not changing. Keeps the cost down ^_^

I dont think that the cost would be any different if the design changed since they already make so much money off of the cards.
 

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I will probably get a brick regardless of weather they change the backs or not but I really hope they change it :)
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i hope they look awesome if not there smoke and mirrors quality so ill be picking alot up on the release day as theyll only go up so i need to get them while there still reasonble price i love the feel and love to use them hey guys maybe theyll be 7.77 launch price :P
I have a feeling they will be the same back design as V4, V5, and V6..... or since the first 3 were the same, then the next 3 changed, maybe V7 will be a new back design!
I really do hope they change the back design, and I think they will to, so they can finish this series strongly. Also, the first 3 weren't the same: they had subtle differences in the D&D logo, since it changed over the course of the years.
Finally, since I wasn't here for the realease of any of the other S&M, how much did they cost? And how much will these cost in your opinion?
I think V6 was $5.99 but I don't know for sure.

They are always $5.95. If you buy the brick, i think it's around $5 per deck.
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Yeah I'm sure I'll get at least a brick. The ad card in the v6s (which is what the rumored v7s will look like) is sick!! If it looks like that then I'll be getting more than a brick possible. Overall I've loved the series. I know many people had problems with it or thought it was unoriginal, but I was still a fan. That being said, I'm very excited about this new version and plan on picking up a good amount.
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BUCK TWINS! Y U NO MAKE PINK DECK LoL! hahahahah!
But yeah DDs handles so great and its a shame that they sell out so quickly. i don't really mind the back design not changing. Keeps the cost down ^_^

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A pink deck really would look pretty cool! Especially in the S&M design. There really aren't that many great pink decks when I think about it. There are the breast cancer awareness decks, but none by the big companies like E, T11, D&D, etc... I wonder who will be the first to release a pink deck haha
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Well isn't the chinatown deck pink, in a way? But anyways, yes, I think a hot pink deck would look very neat!
 

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Well isn't the chinatown deck pink, in a way? But anyways, yes, I think a hot pink deck would look very neat!

No it's more orange or coral which I wouldn't consider that close to pink at all (more close to an orange/red). I'm talking more bright pink like the BCA decks.

Like this pink...
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pink or purple deck is not easy to design.
But I remember sawing someone posted pink and purple artifice on the Facebook, and that looks great.
 

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Wow, on zaganh's picture, for me, the deck is pink, and on D&D's website, I see it as a dark red. Maybe im color blind!
 

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Wow, on zaganh's picture, for me, the deck is pink, and on D&D's website, I see it as a dark red. Maybe im color blind!

 You aren't.  They did some skillful lighting and photography to make the deck look a darker shade of red on their website.  The deck is more of an orange with a little extra red in the mix, but it would never be confused for being a real "Chinese red", if such a thing really exists.  The red wrappers of the firecrackers they're posed with are more like that red - and the light reflected off those things are probably what helped make the deck look more red.
 
 Anyway...
 
 Everyone around here is speculating over v7 - and jumping ahead to v8, v9...  Anyone want to take a guess at v26?  How about v385?
 
 We don't even know with certainty that the v7 will be a big success.  Yes, it's D&D, yes it's Smoke & Mirrors.  But what if the word on the decks was that they handled like crap or were butt ugly?  Everyone assumes it will be "carbon fiber" just based on a single card appearing in the v6 deck.  We have NO IDEA if that's what they're making the next deck like.  The furthest I could see this going would be maybe a black and white set, or a black v7 and a white v8 - but that's all conjecture.  D&D never actually named that card "carbon fiber", did they?  I recall it was a third party.
 
 Many people are turned off by the recent batch of decks designed by D&D since S&M v6.  Fantastique only sold out last month and it was released on Halloween.  Never before has a D&D deck, reported by them to be printed in SMALLER quantities than the v6, taken well over a month to sell out.
 
 The true gauge of how fed up people are with their design and marketing tactics will be in how long it takes the Chinatown deck to sell out.  For the first time, they announced the quantity made - only 5,000.  The way they said it implied that it was a low print run, possibly the lowest, but that could be a marketing ruse.  But regardless, let's see if a 5,000-deck print run takes, oh, two months or more to sell out, rather than under a day like the S&M decks have.  They could do what Zenneth Kok does with the New Fan Backs - releasing them in spurts rather than shooting the entire load in a single release.  (No sexual innuendo intended...)  Or they could try making them artificially more rare by producing a truly small print run, like 2,000 or less.  The bag of tricks isn't endless, but they haven't exhausted all of them just yet.
 
 S&M v7 will practically be guaranteed some degree of success just on the brand name alone.  But if there's any real bad word circulating on v7 when it's released, they might ride the S&M coattails one more time for a v8, but after that, the goose laying the golden decks will keel over.  S&M will have jumped the shark.
 
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
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I can't wait til it comes out =)

Wow.  That one sentence has added SO MUCH to the conversation, we might as well just close the topic right here.  Story over, JoshZachMatt has said the FINAL word on Smoke and Mirrors, version 7.

NOT.

(I'm trying not to be harsh, but simple "me, too" posts that add nothing to the conversation get tedious and clutter any topic.  Perhaps if you told us WHY you can't wait, with an answer that was more substantial than "because they're COOL, bro!", we'd find that statement worth reading.)

I looked over my last post from a month ago.

Most of my opinions haven't changed at all.  I do think that S&M v7 will sell out fast, simply because they're Smoke & Mirrors.  They could print them on paper made of recycled dog turds with a finish made of school glue and sawdust, and they'd still sell out before a single deck was in someone's hands to be reviewed.

But I'm looking over the D&D Inventory.  Interesting...

Chinatown, supposedly their most limited deck ever, is still on the shelf nearly two months later.  Who would have thought a D&D deck with a 5,000-copy print run would still be available after so long?  If I asked you that question last summer, you would have thought I suddenly developed a brain tumor that grew into a second head or something.  Now, I don't think anyone here would be very surprised.

The only changes at all to their deck inventory that are apparent would be the addition of Studs and Aviators.  It's kind of funny, since they're both available for less elsewhere - but since these came from the Bucks, they MUST be worth more, right?  WRONG.  I almost expect them to start selling Streamlines, though I doubt they could keep up with WalMart's pricing of $1.00/pack.  When's the last time you bought a brick of ANYTHING at $12, with NO bulk discount?  :))  Closest thing they have to a deal are the sold-out Erdnaseum decks.

They released five decks of their own design in rapid succession from Halloween to Lunar New Year's Day, a period of under three months.  Some were advertised to be in lower quantities than any of the S&M released; one in particular (see above) was actually listed with the exact quantity printed, a first for the Bucks.  Of all five of these decks, it's still, a month later, just the Fantastiques that are sold out - sort of.  You can still get a deck with an order of an uncut sheet, still in stock - which is surprising to me, since uncut sheets usually sell faster than decks due to limited quantity, and this particular deck had probably one of the most unique back designs I've ever seen.

People - what are your thoughts on Dan and Dave as a company and the forthcoming S&M v7 in particular?  I'm not talking about the Bucks personally - they may be fine, upstanding young men or uncouth louts, I can't say either way, not having actually been introduced.  But I have met their company and do know their products - THAT'S what I want to hear from you about.
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2012, 04:10:33 AM »
 

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I too think S&M's v7 will sell out fast but maybe not as quick as the last few versions, back when the v1 decks were released I believe they took a week or thereabouts to sell out but then the decks started to fly off the shelves in no time. Now we have so many resellers that dont charge too much during the the first lot they sell so the concern that prices will go up too much isn't too much of a concern for me, I certainly don't want to have to pay triple the price for a deck just released but paying a few $ more as with the v6s isn't too bad.

As we've seen though I think the people who are in it only to make a quick buck realise it might not be the best idea as the market has become saturated with so many decks to choose from many will decide that they don't want dnd cards which were once the only custom decks from a big company along with Ellusionist.

I personally have all the dnd decks from v1s onwards minus the erdnaseum deck (it's on my list of decks to get) I was missing the Magic con deck which I think is dnds most limited deck not the Chinatown deck,  I know they gave some away but in terms of production quantity I believe they had 1200 produced.  I now have the magic con deck thanks to a trade over at UC and so minus the erdnaseum I have all their decks so I'll want to try and get any others they release but I do like the decks they put out, yes they do have their spouts of releasing alot of products, be it hand gel, cards, variety boxes, books and everything else but they are a business and a business that have a great customer service record imo, they don't cheat anyone, they don't force us to buy their products so I see no issue really, sure I think to myself oh another product sometimes but like I say no one is forcing me to buy anything.

I know you didn't ask but I'll also add that Dan & Dave were when I net them back in 2009 really pleasant to talk to and learn from. It was only a 2-3 hour lecture or so but they were very helpful in showing me how to do certain moves I was stuck on and we're happy to have people stop after the lecture and chat. Oh they were also giving away porpers, so not bad at all.

Anyway I'll stop my ramblings
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« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2012, 06:28:14 PM »
 

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I too think S&M's v7 will sell out fast but maybe not as quick as the last few versions, back when the v1 decks were released I believe they took a week or thereabouts to sell out but then the decks started to fly off the shelves in no time. Now we have so many resellers that dont charge too much during the the first lot they sell so the concern that prices will go up too much isn't too much of a concern for me, I certainly don't want to have to pay triple the price for a deck just released but paying a few $ more as with the v6s isn't too bad.

As we've seen though I think the people who are in it only to make a quick buck realise it might not be the best idea as the market has become saturated with so many decks to choose from many will decide that they don't want dnd cards which were once the only custom decks from a big company along with Ellusionist.

I personally have all the dnd decks from v1s onwards minus the erdnaseum deck (it's on my list of decks to get) I was missing the Magic con deck which I think is dnds most limited deck not the Chinatown deck,  I know they gave some away but in terms of production quantity I believe they had 1200 produced.  I now have the magic con deck thanks to a trade over at UC and so minus the erdnaseum I have all their decks so I'll want to try and get any others they release but I do like the decks they put out, yes they do have their spouts of releasing alot of products, be it hand gel, cards, variety boxes, books and everything else but they are a business and a business that have a great customer service record imo, they don't cheat anyone, they don't force us to buy their products so I see no issue really, sure I think to myself oh another product sometimes but like I say no one is forcing me to buy anything.

I know you didn't ask but I'll also add that Dan & Dave were when I net them back in 2009 really pleasant to talk to and learn from. It was only a 2-3 hour lecture or so but they were very helpful in showing me how to do certain moves I was stuck on and we're happy to have people stop after the lecture and chat. Oh they were also giving away porpers, so not bad at all.

Anyway I'll stop my ramblings


Magic-Con and Erdnaseum aren't technically their decks, even if they may have had a hand in designing them.  The Erdnaseum was released by CARC, and the Magic-Con deck, as the name implies, was made for the first Magic-Con.  D&D are just resellers, just as they resell other T11, CARC and USPC products.  If they didn't, their playing card selection would be slim, indeed.


The issue I was discussing had more to do with their recent lack of creativity and how on some level they seem to have lost their cachet.  Skim through the older posts, it will make sense.  The fastest-selling decks they've released recently weren't even their own products.


I only spotted one of the Bucks from across the room at the Blue Crown anniversary party two weeks ago.  Didn't go up and introduce myself; I thought it might be intrusive.  They do have a rep for being arrogant and having large egos, but as I said, I have no first hand experience from which to speak on the topic.
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
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Dnd are the organizers of magic con. So technically it is their deck. And from all the 'stories' I hear about dnd. They seem like fairly nice, friendly and helpful people.
 

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Dnd are the organizers of magic con. So technically it is their deck. And from all the 'stories' I hear about dnd. They seem like fairly nice, friendly and helpful people.


They're also on the board at CARC.  Does that make CARC decks their own as well?


The initial purpose and release was for Magic-Con only, if I'm not mistaken.  The remaining decks were sold publicly on their site, meaning they were secondary sales.


S&M is a real legend of cards :P

I can't  wait for V7 too


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You didn't read a SINGLE WORD of what I wrote to joshzachmatt about "me too" posts, did you?  ::)
@Labyrinth I agree. It's probably the most well known series of late. I'm looking to forward to v7 as well. I wonder if they will throw us a curve ball at with this version  ???

@Don, it's not a huge deal. Sure a lot those posts are annoying but there's not need to police every single one. If it gets out of control... sure. But right now it's not hurting anybody. Let the boards flow. If it gets out of control then I'm sure the mods will step in.
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@Don Hoyer, yeah no doubt their recent decks have been selling out at a much slower pace, Chinatown for example, 5000 available and they still haven't sold out.

I guess with the Magic con deck it's hard to say for sure unless we contact them, from my understanding DND are the founders of magic con or maybe it's just partnered with theory 11?
I was under the impression the deck was designed by the dnd playing card company but sponsored by genii, so I would say if it's someones deck it would be theirs. Like I say though I can't be sure but the AOS and back design definitely seems to be the work of dnd.

I think the bad rep comes from forums and people's opinions on how they do business but my experience meeting them left a good impression on me, like you say it's hard to know if you haven't met them.
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@Don Hoyer, yeah no doubt their recent decks have been selling out at a much slower pace, Chinatown for example, 5000 available and they still haven't sold out.

I guess with the Magic con deck it's hard to say for sure unless we contact them, from my understanding DND are the founders of magic con or maybe it's just partnered with theory 11?
I was under the impression the deck was designed by the dnd playing card company but sponsored by genii, so I would say if it's someones deck it would be theirs. Like I say though I can't be sure but the AOS and back design definitely seems to be the work of dnd.

I think the bad rep comes from forums and people's opinions on how they do business but my experience meeting them left a good impression on me, like you say it's hard to know if you haven't met them.


I'd call Magic-Con a Genii deck if they sponsored the con, which D&D were likely hired to create for them.  No sponsor, no con.  D&D have involvement in many decks that aren't released as theirs.  Their faces appear on CARC Erdnase Kings, but that doesn't make it theirs any more than David Blaine's Kings make the same decks his, even if they did have a hand in the design.  If Blue Crown hired me to make the Pink Crown April Fool deck for them, it's their deck, not mine.  Alex has a designer he's hired (an old friend, yes, but in professional terms, he was hired) to work on the Harlequin deck, and Karnival has had Sam Hayles design pretty much all the Karnival decks I've ever seen - it doesn't change who's decks they are.  Since the deck's original intent was for sale at the convention only, any sales after that would be after-market sales.  At least that's my spin on it!


The bad rep comes from more than personal impressions or how they do business.  Some comments about the Magic-Con videos indicated that the two of them were acting quite rude and arrogant to some of the biggest names in the business today.  They're young, they have moods, whatever.  Guess you have to catch them on a good day or something.
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #72 on: April 04, 2012, 11:22:45 AM »
 

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for those of you that don't follow dan and dave on twitter they re-tweeted this from Brad fulton
"Strange day. Smoked the new Smoke & Mirrors with @bucktwins . #Exhausted #20HourDay"
That's good news. It means they probably put more work into these than into the other S&Ms.
 

Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #73 on: April 04, 2012, 02:26:34 PM »
 

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for those of you that don't follow dan and dave on twitter they re-tweeted this from Brad fulton
"Strange day. Smoked the new Smoke & Mirrors with @bucktwins . #Exhausted #20HourDay"
That's good news. It means they probably put more work into these than into the other S&Ms.


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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #74 on: April 04, 2012, 02:44:28 PM »
 

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for those of you that don't follow dan and dave on twitter they re-tweeted this from Brad fulton
"Strange day. Smoked the new Smoke & Mirrors with @bucktwins . #Exhausted #20HourDay"
That's good news. It means they probably put more work into these than into the other S&Ms.


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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #75 on: April 04, 2012, 03:10:18 PM »
 

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The Magic-Con deck is absolutely a D&D deck.  Magic-Con is their brainchild, and they are very hands-on with every element of the convention.

The first Magic-Con did not have a dedicated deck.  Attendees were given some early S&M decks, and the v4 was first introduced for sale there.

The first MC deck was available at the 2nd Magic-Con in 2011.  Genii was a sponsor, but this was still D&D's convention, and the art, print run, etc, was all done by them and their team.

I'd imagine they will have a 2nd MC deck at the upcoming 3rd Magic-Con.
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #76 on: April 04, 2012, 03:17:18 PM »
 

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The Magic-Con deck is absolutely a D&D deck.  Magic-Con is their brainchild, and they are very hands-on with every element of the convention.

The first Magic-Con did not have a dedicated deck.  Attendees were given some early S&M decks, and the v4 was first introduced for sale there.

The first MC deck was available at the 2nd Magic-Con in 2011.  Genii was a sponsor, but this was still D&D's convention, and the art, print run, etc, was all done by them and their team.

I'd imagine they will have a 2nd MC deck at the upcoming 3rd Magic-Con.
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #77 on: April 04, 2012, 04:31:19 PM »
 

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While the other decks D&D carry may be their own or not their own, it holds no relevance to the upcoming V7. The V6 was released, released again, and then released again...sold out every time. The Smoke and Mirrors deck defines Dan and Dave, so I would imagine they will sell out and probably do so within hours if not minutes. I know for myself that I will be anxiously waiting. Though I like the Fulton decks, it is the S&M series that makes me interested in D&D.
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #78 on: April 04, 2012, 06:12:23 PM »
 

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I see nothing wrong with short, "me too" or " good deck" Often times people who say that are saying the same thing someone else says in a 300 word essay which to me is even worse. Sometimes I want to thank people for being blessedly brief. For some reason I like how these DandD decks have not been selling out as they once were. Perhaps it is a sign of the bubble bursting, which killed me when internet stocks did the same, people being cautious with fear of the economy or people losing interest in DandD. Either way, I like the fact that I do not have to sit at my computer at 12:00am and stress. It kind of takes the enjoyment out of the whole thing. A lot of us realize we are not that important and refrain from unnecessary diatribes. I appreciate that.
 

Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #79 on: April 04, 2012, 06:26:42 PM »
 

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I see nothing wrong with short, "me too" or " good deck" Often times people who say that are saying the same thing someone else says in a 300 word essay which to me is even worse. Sometimes I want to thank people for being blessedly brief.
Well you are mistaken my friend. The point of the discourse is to have productive discussions. Sure, short answers may be easier to read, but what Don means is no matter how long or short the comment, it must be helpful. "Me too"? No one really cares about that. But if you say: "I am super excited for this deck to come out! I heard from the D&D website that this time it would be more customized than the previous editions!" Then you are adding to the discussion.

For some reason I like how these DandD decks have not been selling out as they once were. Perhaps it is a sign of the bubble bursting, which killed me when internet stocks did the same, people being cautious with fear of the economy or people losing interest in DandD. Either way, I like the fact that I do not have to sit at my computer at 12:00am and stress. It kind of takes the enjoyment out of the whole thing. A lot of us realize we are not that important and refrain from unnecessary diatribes. I appreciate that.
What about the Tungstene deck?
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #80 on: April 04, 2012, 10:07:26 PM »
 

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That is fine. My friend. But have you noticed how little people can say with so many words?
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2012, 11:42:21 PM »
 

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i personally really liked the clip joint playing cards. so im hoping that the new design of the v7's is at least up to par with the other custom decks of today.
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #82 on: April 05, 2012, 12:13:48 AM »
 

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That is fine. My friend. But have you noticed how little people can say with so many words?
I have noticed that, I think a short post saying,"I like this deck because of the colors on the back" is better than " I really enjoy the looks of this deck from ___________ Company, because of the great detail and depth in the designs in all components of the designs. I esspecially like the back, Ace of Spades, Court Cards, Jokers, and spot cards. I like the backs because of the nice color and the great attention to detail, I to the company and has ever been seen before, I like like the Ace of spades because it is origanal and very good looking, I like the Court Cards because of the recoloration to the classic design, I like the Jokers because they are very original and fun, I like the spot cards because of the custom pips"

I find that more annoying that a quick simple "me too" comment.
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Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #83 on: April 05, 2012, 11:35:10 AM »
 

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I don't think the moderators agree with you on this point.
Returning to the v7 topic, I think the Buck Twins will wait a bit longer than usual before releasing this deck. I think they are very well aware or all the other releases coming out (and so are T11 and E)! This may well be their last deck in the series, so they don't want it to be a failure!
 

Re: smoke and mirrors v7 out this year
« Reply #84 on: April 05, 2012, 04:56:18 PM »
 

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That is fine. My friend. But have you noticed how little people can say with so many words?
I have noticed that, I think a short post saying,"I like this deck because of the colors on the back" is better than " I really enjoy the looks of this deck from ___________ Company, because of the great detail and depth in the designs in all components of the designs. I esspecially like the back, Ace of Spades, Court Cards, Jokers, and spot cards. I like the backs because of the nice color and the great attention to detail, I to the company and has ever been seen before, I like like the Ace of spades because it is origanal and very good looking, I like the Court Cards because of the recoloration to the classic design, I like the Jokers because they are very original and fun, I like the spot cards because of the custom pips"

I find that more annoying that a quick simple "me too" comment.
Me too