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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Jamie D. Grant on January 30, 2012, 11:25:11 PM
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Hiya Gang!
Every now and then I roll through Google to see what's what- and I just stumbled across these forums. Holy Smokes- you guys know your playing cards! It's absolutely awesome to see a group that is so passionate about their art and that also has the knowledge to go with it. Sheer epicness.
So, if you have a second, I'd love to introduce myself: My name is Jamie D. Grant and I make those impossible bottles (http://blog.sendwonder.com/p/store.html) that some of you may have seen on David Blaine's, Theory's, De'Vo's, Elussionist's, or my site. Basically, it's like a ship in a bottle, but with a deck of playing cards. I sell them on my site and I also leave them on the street for people to find, via my Send Wonder Campaign (http://blog.sendwonder.com/) (it's hard to believe I've left almost a thousand out there). And for those of you that have seen one before, I know that the topic of price has probably come up. So, if I can, I'd love to touch base on that...
I know that a hundred buck is a lot of moohlah- I totally get that. And I also know that it's hard to understand the time and dedication that it takes into making one as, for the most part, not many people know all that it entails other than myself. So let me say that it's not a production line kind of thing. From driving to the dairy to all the moments until the end are done by no one except me. But even all of that is pretty much worthless...
Because it's not the act of putting a deck into a bottle that has value but the hope of putting the impossible into a visual form. And that's exactly what all of you do. Whether it's flourishing, magic, or even displaying, you're putting yourself out there to bring people a sense of inspiration, joy, and wonder. So how much is that worth? For me, it's worth everything. And I hope it is for you, as well. Because from the moment you pick up a deck of playing cards to the time that someone looks at you with admiration is a lifetime of effort. It's not the cut they're seeing but the work it took to get there. It's not the flourish that's the art but, rather, you. You are the joy. You are the inspiration.You are the wonder. Don't ever sell yourself short because, whether you tell them or not, people can sense what you're worth. And you're worth everything. That's how I've always felt about it, anyways.
Okay, too much rambling on my part, lol. Thanks for taking the time and I totally look forward to learning from all of you!
My best,
jamie
www.SendWonder.com
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xgB9d0Ujn1s/TVpAS8sZq2I/AAAAAAAABzQ/JGV395M27xI/s320/an+Impossible+Bottle.jpg)
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It's an honor to have you here Jamie! You do some incredible work. The leaving the bottles around project sounds really cool (I've done some similar art projects myself), I'll have to look into that. I would love to learn more about how you do it. Hope to see you post around a bit!!
Thanks for stopping by!
- Baggs
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You presence here is a nice surprise to say the least! ;)
Thats was a pretty impressive intro, probably the longest we've seen in a while, if not ever. I do hope you'll enjoy your time here, and do participate in the conversations, we would certainly appreciate it!
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Hey Jamie! Welcome to the boards.
First off, I'd like to say that I think your bottles are adequately priced. I view your work as a form of art, and art is a form of bragging rights. A collection of your AIP bottles make an astounding conversations starter. I think we all figured out how to get a deck inside of one of those bottles by now, but to do it with the cellophane intact? Your work baffles me.
I'd love to see you create some AIP bottles with vintage decks inside. I know I would be all over something like that. Timeless history trapped inside of a bottle? Yes please.
Keep up the excellent work, and I hope we get to see you around the forums in the future. Your insight would be fantastic. :)
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Hi Jamie,
It is awesome to have you here! I love you AIP Bottles although I don`t own any myself I am going to get one eventually :)
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Welcome to the Discourse Jamie!
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Welcome to Discourse Jamie! It is an honour to all of us for having another great artist to join us.
As you can probably see, this is a friendly community and I'm sure you'll find some inspirations here!
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Hi Jamie
its really really awesome to have you here! Really frikkin awesome!
**le me upon seeing the AIP Bottles**
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/085/444/1282786204310.jpg?1318992465)
OMG! Deck inside a bottle! that is AMAZING! Plus free shipping anywhere in the world! I am really going to get one or two of these!
I like what Aaron said about Vintage decks in the bottle. Timeless!
Thanks for gracing us with your presence!
cheers!
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I am really going to get one or two of these!
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRahnocYF-FDcz5DHCcgqK53todV3X_dG7-gaDD9Y_6uJ0gwitcZQ)
Get ALL the bottles!
I wish I has the money to get a bunch of them too... Seven of them! In rainbow formation! ;D
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Why does the image of Alex conversing with Jamie make me think of a vortex in an AIP? Hmmmmm.....
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It's such an honor to be within the presence of one of the greatest artists in the card world. I can't wait to see what AIP's you have up next! Care to hint?
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It's fantastic to see you here, Jamie, and I'm glad you came by. I've had the debate before, about AIPs and other works of art, in terms of the value they have, but I don't think I've ever expressed my position quite as well as you did here.
I'm going to attempt talking my fiancee into getting me an AIP (probably the White Lions) as a Valentine's Day gift! I'd love to own one, even it was was the humble Bicycle Rider Back deck!
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Great to finally see you here Jamie!
I would love to own one or two of your AIP bottles, and hey, my birthday is coming up, so birthday present from the rentals? huh? huh? but I want to get all 6 volumes of the DG project, but this as a side gift, just to display? hell yeah!
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Hello Jamie. I am quite pleasantly surprised to see you here. Now I can have all my questions awnsered from the source itself.
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Welcome Jamie! Your AIP bottles are pure art, genius, and awesomeness!
Sadly I don't have one but when I have the money I will! :)
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It's impossible to put a deck of sealed cards in a bottle man. It doesn't fit
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It's impossible to put a deck of sealed cards in a bottle man. It doesn't fit
Anything is possible!! haha The pictures/product prove that! :D
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Wow, thanks for such an awesome welcome! It's exactly that kind of attitude that brings people back- you guys (and gals) are doing everything right!
And, just to show that I can represent the decks as much as the next guy, lol, here's a shot going downstairs into my office...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qBrRwwlBnSI/TyhqDt7FxBI/AAAAAAAACNA/2h6tff3mMB0/s640/cards.jpg)
You guys are awesome,
jamie
www.SendWonder.com
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Jerry's Nuggets AIP bottle... that would be legendary! You could team up with Lee Asher or someone! ;)
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Jerry's Nuggets AIP bottle... that would be legendary! You could team up with Lee Asher or someone! ;)
Haha I don't even want to imagine the price tag on that AIP bottle ;)
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Jerry's Nuggets AIP bottle... that would be legendary! You could team up with Lee Asher or someone! ;)
Haha I don't even want to imagine the price tag on that AIP bottle ;)
Eh, only $1000 :P No big deal
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Ha, I wouldn't even be able to buy one ;)
I've actually tried Jerry's before but wasn't happy with how they turned out. And I was only willing to go through a dozen before throwing in the towel. Maybe I should revisit them, though.
My favourite deck, though, is in that bottle you see in the pic. It's a rare 1960's Ripley's Believe It Or Not deck. I've only seen less than a dozen in my life.
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I can't imagine any of those decks looking bad in an AIP bottle!! The JAQKs in particular would look fantastic! Keep us posted with pictures! I know we all love them ;)
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Jamie, how many AIP bottles do you own? And how many have you made?
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Lol, what a great question. I have no idea, lol! Let me go look...
There's maybe around thirty here? They drive my wife crazy. One of my favourites wasn't even made by me but was a gift from Danial Madison...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XYF_q5U2CuI/Tyh3eQqE3BI/AAAAAAAACNQ/IxLWhp0O-CY/s320/photo%2834%29.JPG)
It was a sort of joke (because the glass is obviously broken and glued) but it means the world to me. Especially since the inscription reads, "Thanks for the inspiration."
What are some other good ones... How about this one I made for Bill Kalush and the CARC...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7thHJ1H7tMQ/Tyh3PYf5Z_I/AAAAAAAACNI/H7Vqt3QM4Wk/s400/photo%2837%29.JPG)
You can't see very well, but it has a copy of Erdnase on one side and a Green CARC deck on the backside with the glass case etched with the front page from Expert.
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As for how many I've made- it's around a couple thousand now. And you know at the end of the day, I still love the original Blue Deck Bicycle AIP. They're the ones I leave on the street for the Send Wonder campaign and just have a certain feel that I'll always love. Always a sucker for the first, I reckon.
Gotta run!
~jamie
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Wow, I wish I had the money to just buy one, let alone 30.
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Could youse post pictures of the Ripley deck?
Also, how much would it cost for me to send you a deck, and have you put it in a bottle? I'm just curious.
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Could youse post pictures of the Ripley deck?
Also, how much would it cost for me to send you a deck, and have you put it in a bottle? I'm just curious.
i'd also be interested in something like that. i wouldnt be sending you red artifice decks or white lions since those resellers would probably frown upon that. but i would be interested in getting a couple made with decks that will never be in a AIP bottle, white cents etc. i'd only get 1 made so it wont be for resale purposes.
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Jamie, would you be willing to share with us about how much time it takes to create an AIP bottle with a standard deck of Bikes? A couple thousand bottles is a huge number!
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Glad to have you among us! and proud of it too!
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Jamie, would you be willing to share with us about how much time it takes to create an AIP bottle with a standard deck of Bikes? A couple thousand bottles is a huge number!
You should make a deal with him to make "Vortex" or "Harlequin" bottles.
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I had asked Jamie about prices a while ago and he said, "$150 is my price for custom work"
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I had asked Jamie about prices a while ago and he said, "$150 is my price for custom work"
That's actually not bad at all, considering an average AIP bottle is $100-$300. I'd rather spend $150 for a custom bottle, then $100 for a standard bike deck.
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I always assumed the glass had to be seamlessly moulded around the cards to make these; you make them with pre-existing bottles? Well, I guess you could cut them in half then re-fire them... if you're some kind of silica savant. Can someone be skilled enough to do that without it being painfully obvious?
Like many magic tricks that have me scratching my head, I get to 'that's how I'd do it' and leave it at that. However you do it, they really are truly beautiful creations and hopefully it's a sign of things to come for these forums that someone as established and renowned as yourself has come to us.
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In Wonderland, anything is possible... ;D
If I can manage to save up enough money, I wouldn't mind seeing a deck of fultons in one of those. ;)
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In Wonderland, anything is possible... ;D
If I can manage to save up enough money, I wouldn't mind seeing a deck of fultons in one of those. ;)
If I managed to save up enough money, I would buy a brick of every released deck. :D and an uncut sheet wouldn't hurt either... in my dreams.
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I always assumed the glass had to be seamlessly moulded around the cards to make these; you make them with pre-existing bottles? Well, I guess you could cut them in half then re-fire them... if you're some kind of silica savant. Can someone be skilled enough to do that without it being painfully obvious?
Like many magic tricks that have me scratching my head, I get to 'that's how I'd do it' and leave it at that. However you do it, they really are truly beautiful creations and hopefully it's a sign of things to come for these forums that someone as established and renowned as yourself has come to us.
He said it himself in the opening post - "ship in a bottle". While some bottled-ship builders use the easy method and opt for a rigged bottle, the good ones do it the old fashioned way. It's very much like assembling a piece of furniture in your apartment that's larger than your doorway...if the parts can fit through the door, you build it inside the apartment.
Think about it. :))
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He said it himself in the opening post - "ship in a bottle". While some bottled-ship builders use the easy method and opt for a rigged bottle, the good ones do it the old fashioned way. It's very much like assembling a piece of furniture in your apartment that's larger than your doorway...if the parts can fit through the door, you build it inside the apartment.
Think about it. :))
I know the ship in the bottles thing. I have a friend who does that as a hobby and not just ships, native nipa huts in a bottle as well. But cards? a deck that is still sealed? no matter how hard I think.... it still boggles me. **sigh** well I will not try to figure out how it is done. AIPs are beautiful and I don't want to spoil it for myself. I'm definitely getting myself 1 or 2 on my birthday! I'm so excited!
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He said it himself in the opening post - "ship in a bottle". While some bottled-ship builders use the easy method and opt for a rigged bottle, the good ones do it the old fashioned way. It's very much like assembling a piece of furniture in your apartment that's larger than your doorway...if the parts can fit through the door, you build it inside the apartment.
Think about it.
I know the ship in the bottles thing. I have a friend who does that as a hobby and not just ships, native nipa huts in a bottle as well. But cards? a deck that is still sealed? no matter how hard I think.... it still boggles me. **sigh** well I will not try to figure out how it is done. AIPs are beautiful and I don't want to spoil it for myself. I'm definitely getting myself 1 or 2 on my birthday! I'm so excited!
If a magician can open, rig and reseal a deck, how hard would it be for Jamie Grant, who's also a magician, to do it without rigging the deck? :)) I've done this before when pulling a gaff card trick on someone. Also the cellophane is available as a separate purchase, since there's a few magic shops selling deck resealers.
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I wonder if it would be cool for us to leave out discussions on technique? After all, it's what makes the AIP bottle what it is. If so, that would be awesome~ thanks! (To be honest, that's what's kept me off of a few of the other boards. It goes from talking about art - which I could do all day- to just a dissection. Booo, lol. I know no one means any harm, but it seems that's what's happened in the past). That said, let me sign off on that subject by saying the glass is completely unaltered. I used to drink the chocolate milk myself, lol. Now I just buy them empty.
I know the ship in the bottles thing. I have a friend who does that as a hobby and not just ships, native nipa huts in a bottle as well. But cards? a deck that is still sealed? no matter how hard I think.... it still boggles me. **sigh** well I will not try to figure out how it is done. AIPs are beautiful and I don't want to spoil it for myself. I'm definitely getting myself 1 or 2 on my birthday! I'm so excited!
And this is exactly the kind of thinking that makes us all fellow artists. The joy in seeing each other's work with no other desire than what it's there for. To bring us happiness. I love it- thank you for that post.
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To answer a few other questions- I do charge $150 for custom work- that's been my price forever and I keep it that way so it's fair to everyone. That said, I can't do any custom decks that I've already made Limited Editions of obviously.
I'll also see if I can take a picture of that Ripley deck. I love all things Ripley's and it wasn't easy to find!I actually have another one of the exact same deck framed on the wall going downstairs, on the right, but I don't think you can see it...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JxZI1yRpsyM/TyjmkJx7K9I/AAAAAAAACNY/TxDz_sROims/s320/Stairway.JPG)
What about you guys- if you could only have one deck on your shelf, inside a bottle (so I guess handling wouldn't matter)- which would it be?
My best,
jamie
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What about you guys- if you could only have one deck on your shelf, inside a bottle (so I guess handling wouldn't matter)- which would it be?
My own deck, of course. ;)
But besides that, maybe either a blue artifice or a deck from Montreal's casino. That's how much I love the city. :P
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I LOVE Montreal, as well. Man, what I would give for a good bagel right now, lol.
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What about you guys- if you could only have one deck on your shelf, inside a bottle (so I guess handling wouldn't matter)- which would it be?
My own deck, of course. ;)
My thoughts exactly. I'd love to be able to have my own deck someday.
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I LOVE Montreal, as well. Man, what I would give for a good bagel right now, lol.
Montreal is my city of choice, I'll be going back permanently in a few months. :P
I'll see if I can get a few decks from the casino for those interested. Canceled, of course... I'm not a thief. ::)
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I'd get a blue circle-back Tally Ho deck.
And my apologies for technique discussion. The simple fact remains that even having some clue about how it's made doesn't make it one bit easier to try making it yourself. They're really astounding pieces of art and I look forward to owning one (or more) someday.
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If I could pick a deck it would either be one that is cheap and given to me by a loved one or the D&D S&M V5. I love the look of that deck and I think it would look great in an AIP bottle 8)
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I would do an LTD or just a nice black ghost or bee stingers (red)
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Don, I know how ships in bottles work, I've seen it done. I mean, really? That's insane, I don't want to even contemplate the logistics of that with a deck of cards.
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Don, I know how ships in bottles work, I've seen it done. I mean, really? That's insane, I don't want to even contemplate the logistics of that with a deck of cards.
Hey, Jamie named this particular art form correctly, did he not? :)) Just because it's possible, doesn't make it easy!
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To answer a few other questions- I do charge $150 for custom work- that's been my price forever and I keep it that way so it's fair to everyone. That said, I can't do any custom decks that I've already made Limited Editions of obviously.
What about you guys- if you could only have one deck on your shelf, inside a bottle (so I guess handling wouldn't matter)- which would it be?
My best,
jamie
i think i'll choose S&M V6..so how to order the custom AIP bottle?thanks
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I'd absolutely get a Jaqk Cellars deck AIP bottle if I could choose.
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Heres a question for everyone... If you could have one deck from your collection, made.into an AIP Bottle, what deck wou you choosr? (not for reselling, only for display)
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Heres a question for everyone... If you could have one deck from your collection, made.into an AIP Bottle, what deck wou you choosr? (not for reselling, only for display)
Once again, I'd go with Jaqk Cellars. I love that deck to death.
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I would definitely pick my S&M V1 :D
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Once again, I'd go with Jaqk Cellars. I love that deck to death.
;D Someone who shares my love of the JAQK Cellars decks!
I would choose the JAQK Cellars without hesitation.
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If I could pick one deck and it would only be for display and not for resale I would get the JAQK deck or the S&M v5. Both of those are awesome decks!!
Or maybe the Tungstene deck
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visited Jamie's site, and ended up buying the industrial revelation.
then found out that Jamie is from Vancouver too! (I just graduated from UBC in 2011).
how awesome
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visited Jamie's site, and ended up buying the industrial revelation.
then found out that Jamie is from Vancouver too! (I just graduated from UBC in 2011).
how awesome
That is so awesome, lol. Thank you so much! (I'm working on it this weekend, by the way).
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And let me shout out a huge THANK YOU to all of you so far! You are one of the most welcoming gangs I've ever met/read. And, I'll be honest, it goes a looooooooong way to bringing people back. I hope I can offer you some insight along the way, as well.
On that note, I wonder what everyone here thinks of something I've been working on for a while? It's not finished yet (this is just the prototype/working model) but I'm getting close. I call it The VAULT, and it's a new style card guard/case...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a_JWVpIoS58/TxdJ3E_Yv7I/AAAAAAAACL4/x98zLIk-mQ8/s320/Vault.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-idhHyc6DTJU/TxdJ-h7NNxI/AAAAAAAACMA/m5g2wP0M2_0/s320/Vault2.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oHcu7r2narM/TxdKHzLvu9I/AAAAAAAACMI/UCZLo-liAMM/s320/Vault3.JPG)
Gotta run! I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend!
My best,
jamie
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I'm just going to be honest here. I don't like the design of that clip. Showing just a small, random section of the deck? Its not my style but many others may like it.
Also, I remember you posting something on Facebook about it being made from brass. But isn't brass not a very strong metal?
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Thanks for the input! I absolutely love to hear everyone's thoughts and I respect them completely.
The gauge of brass I'm using is more than strong enough to protect the box. No worries there. As for the design- that will all come down to personal preference- and I appreciate yours! I love it, though. It just feels super smooth. Work with whatever inspires you, I reckon!
My best,
jamie
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I really like the design from an aesthetic point of view, but functionally, I'm not sure. How do you get the deck out? There's nothing to grab on to. I keep decks in regular Ellusionist stainless card clips and Porper card clips and I leave the cellophane (bottom part) on them. To get them out I just pull on the top and bottom of the deck. I feel like with the presented design, the only way to get them out would be to apply upward pressure on the face of the deck. For me, this seems like it would quickly tear the cellophane off a deck, but I could be wrong.
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you can use your thumb to grab the short edge and push out the other side.
i think the center groove is big enough so your thumb can fit in there as it is sliding out the deck
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Hmm... IMHO, it may be less desirable for me. The problem is I live in a tropical location that tends to... well, inflate cards. Despite all precautions that we do, the deck that we use(which are the ones that we usually use the card clips for) absorbs moisture faster in tropical areas than other places that has drier climates. My point is, we already have a hard time as it is in getting cards out of porpers and normal card clips so i believe it is going to be hell getting decks out of those.
Good luck though and more power. :)
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That is AWESOME looking!! I really like it! I can easily say that I would grab a couple of those if you ended up producing them. I can see how some people may not like that you can see much of the deck, but I like how it keeps it almost hidden. Overall I love the design and would love to see this become a reality.
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Jamie, I like this clip design. The biggest issue I've ever had with a deck clip (aside from it being too tight to hold certain decks) is the fact that the protection level offered the box is very low - three sides are exposed. Porper Clips help with the warped-cards issue, but they're more difficult to use and totally ruin boxes, embossed ones in particular. This design looks like it would firmly hold my deck, only the top and bottom of the tuck box is exposed, warping is minimized because both side edges of the cards are getting held down by the clip, and it just looks cool.
My one suggestion - forgo the little slits in the back unless they serve a specific functional purpose. Make the front available as plain or engraved/silkscreened with deck box images, like the front of a pack of Tally Ho, Bicycle, Bee, etc. (assuming USPC would sign off on that without asking for your firstborn son). I just think the surface would look cooler as either a big blank slate or something that could be decorated without the central break the slits create.
As far as custom wrappings, a la Dan and Dave, don't go too crazy. Leather, nice. Carbon fiber, cool. Crazy stuff like expensive leathers, or CORK - noooooooooo...
You might even be able to work with a skin manufacturer like ZAGG to allow people to create custom skins with whatever images they want. It would be no different than making a skin for an iPhone, a Blackberry, etc. Now THAT gives the clip versatility - sell the "blanks" with a coupon code for one free skin from ZAGG, and people can choose others while they're there to suit whatever mood they happen to be in that week.
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Love the idea of the clip, I like trying clips out and would definitely be happy to own one, it would be nice if they were available in black. I look forward to seeing the finished product and welcome to the forums.
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Those two little slits in the clip really give this one character. They may not be super practical but they make this deck a real seller in my mind. Im hoping those don't get tossed!!
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I really like the look of that clip a lot, and would love to get my hands in one!
Also, I was looking at my deck collection, and I realized that an AIP bottle with an IAOCP deck inside would look SICK!
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I think Infinity or Gold Arcane would be awesome in a AIP bottle!
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Haha I think any deck would look good in an AIP bottle! Even a bad deck deck would look awesome haha
Am I right?
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Haha I think any deck would look good in an AIP bottle! Even a bad deck deck would look awesome haha
Am I right?
Anything is possible - except making a Merz67 deck look good! Not even if you had it sitting in Angelina Jolie's lap while she posed naked. An AIP bottle couldn't improve that one bit, especially some of the butt-uglier ones like the Tie-Dye; the Red, White & Blue series; the Zebra deck...
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Okay we get that you don't like Merz decks! You've mentioned it in so many threads and it's getting old.
Honestly, if anybody could do it. Jamie could.
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Okay we get that you don't like Merz decks! You've mentioned it in so many threads and it's getting old.
Honestly, if anybody could do it. Jamie could.
You mentioned that the bottle could make a bad deck look good. I just begged to differ on that opinion, nothing more. I'm sure there are many other ugly tuck boxes out there that would be equally as bad. A plie of "leavings" will still look and smell the same, no matter where you put it. The bottle would just contain the smell.
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Hiya Gang!
Great thoughts, suggestions, and ideas regarding the Vault. I'm just getting the final exterior print finished up and am hoping it rocks! I won't be doing a bunch of different versions, though, just the brass with the design (which is a surprise) on the outside.
With regards to the 2 slits- they're actually there for 2 reasons. One is aesthetic: For some reason, I just like the look and it feels more like a Vault to me (like coins are going in, maybe, lol). The second is so that, if desired, you could perform a magic trick I invented, Industrial Revelation, while it's still inside:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J8rk3-7A5ps/Thah122JhgI/AAAAAAAACGk/l26t1OaS6N4/s400/INDUSTRIALREVELTIONPOSTER.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0mXtmujDoA)
Thanks again for all the kindness!
Your pal,
jamie
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I'm glad this is going to see the light of day! I'm also glad you're keeping the slits. I also saw the aesthetics appeal of them. I think those that weren't as big of a fan of those will be glad to find out that they serve a purpose. I'm sure that trick you've come up with will be truly amazing. Thanks for the update!
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I really can't wait to pick one of these bad-boys up for myself. I want one so badly.
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Since the slits actually serve a purpose, then that's fine - especially if that purpose is a cool magic trick! I'm looking forward to when these Vaults are available.
I still think you could get something going with ZAGG to make skins for it. It would be cool to be able to customize the Vault any way you wanted to. But that's just me.
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Wow, I VERY excited for these clips and the magic trick. Can someone tell me when and where they will be available?
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The vault is an interesting concept. It would be nice if there was a small dip on one or both of the sides so it wasn't a flat edge. You could push the deck out the length of the dip, and pull the rest of the deck out the other side. Honestly it's just an ergonomic suggestion, but if it had that I'd buy it. I say small dip because obviously you want to protect your edges. It'd also be cool if you had some laser designs on there. You have a CRAZY amount of real estate to play with.
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@ Jamie D. Grant: your work, up for sale!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Richard-Turner-Gold-Seal-Bikes-Bottle-Signed-Red-/170771110966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c2c05c36
I didn't know you did a series of the Gold Seal Bicycles!
Just how many series have you done, and in what quantities? Not counting individual commissions, naturally...
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My favourite deck, though, is in that bottle you see in the pic. It's a rare 1960's Ripley's Believe It Or Not deck. I've only seen less than a dozen in my life.
Should be these decks if I am not mistaken.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2_x21m93tx8/TzReSqyiarI/AAAAAAAADoI/FchDSLJRoik/s500/01.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-70_HMGxnL7E/TzRbNpmlztI/AAAAAAAADnw/tsGIvkYWvLo/s500/00.jpg)
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Wow, those cards are SICK! Are they yours, and if so where and when did you get them?
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Wow, those cards are SICK! Are they yours, and if so where and when did you get them?
They are mine of course :o
You should be able to find them on eBay, go go go! ???
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FOUND ONE!! http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-1960s-Ripleys-Believe-Not-Playing-Cards-/120743598354?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1ce11912#ht_2599wt_1037
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They're not too expensive either! Thats a really unique deck!
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They're not too expensive either! Thats a really unique deck!
Not too expensive before Jamie mentioned them :P
I got mine with $3.99 and $4.99 respectively.
These decks are vintage and unique, every single card is special and very interesting.
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And here is a list of tons of cheap and great vintage decks!
http://stores.ebay.com.au/Unbelievable-Finds/_i.html?_fsub=14
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That is a pretty sweet deck! I would love to look over every card. Luckily I'm not into collecting vintage decks or I'd be broke! I'll have to look into that deck though since it looks more interesting and it's not as insanely expensive as many other vintage decks. Thanks for the info!
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Those cards look sweet! noooooooooo, no international shipping!!! oh well, it'll be nice to have those, it's a unique deck of cards and the price tag attached for a fifty year old deck is reasonably cheap, take advantage of this while you can!
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Those are them! Great find (you guys are good, lol!)
I love them!!
As for how many Limited Edition AIP's I've done: yikes! So many personals ones! But for official release:
100 1800's
100 Red Artifice
44 Split Spades
100 White Lions
12 for De'Vo
3 for the Bucks (can't remember which deck, lol)
Sentinels
100 Banksy Themed "Send Wonder" decks
52 Signed "Send Wonder"
3 Ripley's
Gah, this could go on, lol. I'll stop boring you.
As for the Vault, here's an update I just posted:
Getting closer! The Damask pattern has been applied to the steel prototype. It'll look much better on the final brass, though. I'm also leaning towards a lighter brown print as it's a bit subtler...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Uz6Dk6iWxAY/TzaR8epzHxI/AAAAAAAACOo/12c_ZjaIkCU/s320/Vault+Prototype.jpg)
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That looks beautiful! If it didn't have the design, I wouldn't have gotten it... but this, is creative and one of the cooled clips I've ever seen.
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I am really in love with that clip. It's gorgeous!
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I have to say I really didn't think that clip would go far at first, but now, I really like it! And it covers and protects all the corners!
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I think I like the clip without the design. I don't picture a vault with that kind of design haha Will you offer it in plain brass??
Also I'm interested in hearing the rest of that list! You're not boring us :P
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3 for the Bucks (can't remember which deck, lol)
Humor is often more than a laughing matter. :P
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oh god that card clip looks beautiful, haha what art can do to a plain piece of metal. but a more concerning metal (matter :P ), wouldn't the chances of the artwork class with the artwork of the tuck box increase significantly more? I mean yes I may suit certain decks but for other deck's it'll be weird.. just my point of view.
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Beautiful design! I'd really love to see it on the back of a deck. :-[
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That Damask clip - holy cow! It's freakin' gorgeous! Please sell them cheaply, 'cause I think I want a lot of these!
You could be the David that topples the Goliath that is the Porper Clip!
(Ever had anyone ask to put a Porper-clipped deck in a bottle? :o )
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That Damask clip - holy cow! It's freakin' gorgeous! Please sell them cheaply, 'cause I think I want a lot of these!
You could be the David that topples the Goliath that is the Porper Clip!
(Ever had anyone ask to put a Porper-clipped deck in a bottle? :o )
using the ship in a bottle method, that'll truly be an amazing site to see!! unless he smelts the metal inside the bottle, paints it etc...? :-\ I bet don would be the first to get this haha :P
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Thanks gang!
I'm getting closer! Totally excited.
~jamie
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So Jamie, how do I go about getting some Tendril decks stuck in a bottle.? :)
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So Jamie, how do I go about getting some Tendril decks stuck in a bottle.? :)
Oh. Please do that! That would be such a great idea!!!!! :D
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So Jamie, how do I go about getting some Tendril decks stuck in a bottle.? :)
I am lost for words. ???
That would be awesome! It's such a beautiful box and to see it in such an awesome for of art would be great!
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These would be amazing.
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I would love to.
I'm also getting closer to finishing the Vault. Here's a post I made on another forum:
Hurrah!
The die is made and is beautiful. Basically, it's almost impossible to make sharp corners by hand- you just can't get the pressure to make sharp bends, so a die has to be made. This is very expensive (I don't want to talk about it, lol), and takes a very gifted person to make it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_and_die_maker
Luckily, I work with the best! As you can see from the picture below, the die makes a HUGE difference...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PZVMEAnFP-E/T1FkY7eJPFI/AAAAAAAACPQ/XAC4J4fx-0g/s320/photo%252840%2529+copy.JPG)
The top Vault was the design prototype that we made by bending it by hand. If you look closely, you can see that the box is held in by the corners- not a great design, as it'll scrape the corners of the box as it goes in and out:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x_TvfJ2t8kg/T1FkoixmwZI/AAAAAAAACPY/gALI5Z1KPd0/s320/photo%2839%29+copy.JPG)
The bottom one, however, is a Vault made with the die. The difference is unbelievable as you can see that the box is now held in by the flat of the box because the corners are now sharp! Hurrah!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ys4CYx4X5vM/T1FkxDCtGBI/AAAAAAAACPg/SiNFOiGAX8g/s320/photo%2838%29+copy+2.JPG)
Now I go back to the application of the Damask Pattern and make sure the application and clearcoat won't affect the brass (we have to apply the pattern by using over 200lbs of pressure). After that, I'll finalize the packaging and pricing and we should be good to go!
I hope you guys don't mind me posting about how all of this works. I thought it would be interesting to give you some insight into what actually happens when trying to create a product from start to finish. I can talk about design for days! There's probably 1 more month to go.
My best,
jamie
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Wow, it's crazy seeing this come along. I think the sharp cornea add a world of difference in looks and functionality.
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Yeah the die seems to make a huge difference!! It looks awesome! Like Loldude said it's cool to see this project come along :)
Jamie, will you offer the Vault in plain brass without a design?
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It looks better and better every time! Keep us informed please. I can't wait to see the final product.
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Jamie, dude, we love seeing how stuff like this is done! We eat it for breakfast and ask for seconds!
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very nice !! cont to post more of your production
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Well, it's done!! Hurrah! Get ready for a lot of pictures, lol.
And, after the damask, we managed to give it a UV clear coat- and it worked wonderfully. The die is perfect and everything looks like we're ready to start production. As of now, I'm hoping for an official release of...
The Vault
Release: March.31.
Price: $48 + $7 shipping, anywhere in the world.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3FxZXyrE8lQ/T11D0tj1hjI/AAAAAAAACP4/N13zG5N1E08/s320/Vault1.JPG)
~every Vault will come in a small bag that looks like a Turkish rug, great to hold your quarter for your IR, or for display~
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iYjB-z-GrpM/T11D9wpa-eI/AAAAAAAACQA/9cLt5HFhN-Q/s320/Vault2.JPG)
~with a red deck; the colours shine through the IR slots
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ad9V7S9VxL0/T11EKnK9a8I/AAAAAAAACQI/qY-gdESx8_4/s320/Vault3.JPG)
~table hopping? leave your cards on display. Or have a prediction inside~
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9AYZnUHaego/T11E5esje6I/AAAAAAAACQo/tG5gRynLe0w/s320/Vault7.JPG)
~with a blue deck; everything blends~
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Cfn-QjRfE88/T11EdWAHFMI/AAAAAAAACQQ/taZiPKJP3rw/s320/Vault4.JPG)
~stand tall with a thumb slot to pull cards out smoothly and easily; no forcing required (pun intended)~
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FSLVPRje7mY/T11EmMZtsvI/AAAAAAAACQY/9WFJjKeKTDU/s320/Vault5.JPG)
~originally designed to help boxes holding IRs, it also adds another layer of mystery. Like the intricate boxes on stage~
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tQD023XoK7g/T11EujLmAGI/AAAAAAAACQg/jYViu8loqYc/s320/Vault6.JPG)
~it also holds cards without the box; slightly beveled, beautifully displayed~
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qYMgCV5KkKY/T11FSNgD4II/AAAAAAAACRA/lhF8ukfPfOU/s320/Vault10.JPG)
~one last shot of the back pattern~
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dcLhGtdJQds/T11FDJMUtcI/AAAAAAAACQw/-gOK6TyZ4JY/s320/Vault8.JPG)
~and the front~
I guess that's about it! Now to start making them! I'll probably start with 100 and see how we do. Thanks for reading everyone!
My best,
jamie
http://www.SendWonder.com
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I love te looks, but due to lack of funds, I won't be getting one right away. Also, will this come with the magic trick that the clip helps with?
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It... looks... amazing! I did not like how it looked when you showed us that first picture but this product has gone through a lot of changes and I love what you did to it! My only problem is the price... I'm sure it was expensive to make and to me, its worth the price but its still a high price for something that I don't necessarily need.
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Those are really nice looking! The price isn`t too bad for the design.
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It's very nice. A lot better than overall clip. But the price is a bit expensive.
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So, how hard will it be in the future to offer these with customized art on them? Just wondering is all... :)
And Jamie send me a PM about the decks in a bottle. I want to offer a limited run of those in my store!
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I hear a lot of people talking about the price. This is more than just a simple clip - it's actually part of a magic trick. Did you happen to notice the photo where a knife pierces a deck front-to-back while it's in the clip?
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I hear a lot of people talking about the price. This is more than just a simple clip - it's actually part of a magic trick. Did you happen to notice the photo where a knife pierces a deck front-to-back while it's in the clip?
Yeah Don is right! My first though was that the price was awesome! It's actually a steal :D Also the shipping price isn't bad especially if you live across the pond!
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Can I do a local pick-up? >.<
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Woah! That's amazing. Here is my opinion. I think this is definitely worth the price. It's just that many people may have a bit of trouble spending that much at once. But congrats and good luck!
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Well, it's done!! Hurrah! Get ready for a lot of pictures, lol.
And, after the damask, we managed to give it a UV clear coat- and it worked wonderfully. The die is perfect and everything looks like we're ready to start production. As of now, I'm hoping for an official release of...
The Vault
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dcLhGtdJQds/T11FDJMUtcI/AAAAAAAACQw/-gOK6TyZ4JY/s320/Vault8.JPG)
~and the front~
Wow!! Those are cool.
They almost look like they were made to mesh symbiotically with my ORNATE Decks!
http://www.midnightcardcompany.com/OrnateBACKS.jpg
I would love to get one of these for myself and/or get some branded!
thanks, Randy
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You can order these now.
http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html
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Wow! That looks incredible! I wasn't sure if I liked it until I watched the video and it really looks great. If I get the money for it and its still around, I will pick one up.
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I can't find the link to place an order. Looked all over the place. If they're for sale now, it's a really well-kept secret how to buy them...
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I can't find the link to place an order. Looked all over the place. If they're for sale now, it's a really well-kept secret how to buy them...
Right under the picture at the very top is a Buy Now button.
Anyway, These look SICK! By far my favorite clips of all time, but I just don't have the money right now and I don't really collect clips.
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I can't find the link to place an order. Looked all over the place. If they're for sale now, it's a really well-kept secret how to buy them...
Right under the picture at the very top is a Buy Now button.
Anyway, These look SICK! By far my favorite clips of all time, but I just don't have the money right now and I don't really collect clips.
Ooooooh. NOW I see it. It read so much like a blog post that I looked in the store - it's not listed there!
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i just woke up and go to aether cards with my phone without my spec on at 1st i thought it cost 4.8 thousands .. but after having a clearer look it has a cents on the bottom
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That's awesome Jamie! Congrats!
At first I didn't think anything of the clip, but I am surprised by what it has turned into!
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At first when I seen this card clip a while back it didn't do anything for me. Now as I keep looking at it and watching Jamie talk about it in his video, it made me change my mind. I respect Jamie and all the hard work that he puts into his art. Whether the public likes it or not doesn't matter to him and it shouldn't. I love his AIP Bottles and have 3 of them. So yeah, I will be ordering his card clip tonight. It looks really nice and you can definitely add me as a backer of Jamie D. Grant.
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Lol, you guys beat me to it!
The VAULT is now available!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-llRyQsaUZ24/T3ZI5wIPS6I/AAAAAAAACSI/qx83Dj0sbK0/s400/Smaller.jpeg) (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
I can't wait to hear what you guys think!
And I'm soooo sorry about the video, lol. You would think I would have something fancier by now!
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Hiya gang!
Did anyone from here pick one up? Your guys's (is that a word, lol) opinion matters a great deal!
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I didn't pick one up because of the price. I love how it looks and I know that there was a lot of work put into it. I understand why the price is what it is but for a card clip, its just a little too much for me. (at least it isn't $350 like someone else)
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Well you know I picked one up and am looking forward to it. It is a little pricey, but the artistry in it and details look worthwhile. I think you have to judge value based on an individual basis and not necessarily compare apples to oranges. :)
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I didn't pick one up because of the price. I love how it looks and I know that there was a lot of work put into it. I understand why the price is what it is but for a card clip, its just a little too much for me. (at least it isn't $350 like someone else)
Same here. I hope these are successful. Maybe you could sell them through Kickstarter? I appreciate the hard work put into these and I admire you for that. Best of luck.
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I didn't pick one up because of the price. I love how it looks and I know that there was a lot of work put into it. I understand why the price is what it is but for a card clip, its just a little too much for me. (at least it isn't $350 like someone else)
Same here. I hope these are successful. Maybe you could sell them through Kickstarter? I appreciate the hard work put into these and I admire you for that. Best of luck.
Nathan - Kickstarter isn't really a shopping mall as much as it is a place for artists and entrepreneurs to raise funds for projects that normally would have required finding a small number of large investors. It allows them instead to find a large number of small investors. My point here is that it's clear to me that Jamie Grant has the funds he needs to bring this product to market - he obviously felt that Kickstarter fundraising wasn't necessary.
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Cant be bothered doing the math (too tired) how many dollars is 4.8 thousand cents? I would like to pick one or two up
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Cant be bothered doing the math (too tired) how many dollars is 4.8 thousand cents? I would like to pick one or two up
(puts pinky to corner of mouth in outdated effeminate manner)
"One...MILLION dollars!"
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Cant be bothered doing the math (too tired) how many dollars is 4.8 thousand cents? I would like to pick one or two up
It's $48 USD
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Cant be bothered doing the math (too tired) how many dollars is 4.8 thousand cents? I would like to pick one or two up
It's $48 USD
You should have let him think it was a million dollars! :)) More nice clips for us!
This will go on my wedding gift list, to be certain. It's a clip and a sweet gaff.
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Cant be bothered doing the math (too tired) how many dollars is 4.8 thousand cents? I would like to pick one or two up
Glad to see that it's not only the United States that is failing our youth...
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Cant be bothered doing the math (too tired) how many dollars is 4.8 thousand cents? I would like to pick one or two up
Glad to see that it's not only the United States that is failing our youth...
It's more like the youth are failing themselves...
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Sorry re-hashing old thread. Searched "impossible bottles" and found some threads.
Like others here, I find these kind of things not only art and magic related, but a great cognitive exercise. I have looked at almost every picture/post/book that discuss "impossible bottles". (Not literally but many hours nevertheless trying to figure it out) ;) *without much luck to date* have not had enough time to really sit down and try. It's on the "to-do"list
I enjoy the thought of thought, and have tried myself *briefly* using a empty packet of cigarettes. I respect Jamie's wishes not to engage in "divulging" the methods. It would be great for the occasional hint mind you which I am semi sure those that know the "how" do help in suggesting to others, pointers. (I may be mistaken here -it seemed to be the general vibe on a few forums, if you had put in your time reading/trying/thinking and were serious)
Harry Eng (http://puzzlemuseum.com/puzzles/amb/eng_botts/harry-eng.htm) must have been an amazing person based on the things others have written about him, much like his home made detachable vice
which in itself is an engineering feat.
I do hope the art of producing such works is passed on to others
I look forward to the day, when I achieve even halve the looks some of these guy's can produce, I can not get how a lock can go into a bottle. I must be over thinking it!
edit: here's one I recently found.
(http://s17.postimage.org/43hhl0vyn/67_1250709049.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r4y2qrvm3/full/)
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Found this listing and thought it was pretty interesting.
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Anything-Possible-Bottle-Smoke-and-Mirrors-v6-Dan-and-Dave-rare-/170876389383?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c906c807#ht_533wt_1139
So I can send Jamie any deck and he will be able to put it in the bottle at a cost?
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Sorry re-hashing old thread. Searched "impossible bottles" and found some threads.
Like others here, I find these kind of things not only art and magic related, but a great cognitive exercise. I have looked at almost every picture/post/book that discuss "impossible bottles". (Not literally but many hours nevertheless trying to figure it out) ;) *without much luck to date* have not had enough time to really sit down and try. It's on the "to-do"list
I enjoy the thought of thought, and have tried myself *briefly* using a empty packet of cigarettes. I respect Jamie's wishes not to engage in "divulging" the methods. It would be great for the occasional hint mind you which I am semi sure those that know the "how" do help in suggesting to others, pointers. (I may be mistaken here -it seemed to be the general vibe on a few forums, if you had put in your time reading/trying/thinking and were serious)
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I do hope the art of producing such works is passed on to others
No need to apologize for reviving a thread. It's like dusting off an old treasure...
We've pretty much stopped discussing the how and why of it all, largely out of respect to Jamie Grant. If you put enough thought into something - anything - you're likely to figure out how it's done (or how to find the guy who can do it). I think you can rest assured that the art of cramming big things into small-necked bottles will not end if and when Jamie retires!
Found this listing and thought it was pretty interesting.
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Anything-Possible-Bottle-Smoke-and-Mirrors-v6-Dan-and-Dave-rare-/170876389383?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c906c807#ht_533wt_1139 (http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Anything-Possible-Bottle-Smoke-and-Mirrors-v6-Dan-and-Dave-rare-/170876389383?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c906c807#ht_533wt_1139)
So I can send Jamie any deck and he will be able to put it in the bottle at a cost?
Sort of. I think he charges $100 for a custom job, and I'm thinking he can't do decks that he's already done under license for other companies - such as that D&D deck you saw on the eBay listing. He's got standard Bikes on his site, all done and ready to purchase, too.
Check out his website for more details. I haven't seen him around here much lately so I'm guessing work is keeping him busy.
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Speaking of AIP bottles..... ;)
Be sure to check out our website when we launch the Hornet deck.
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O.o - Hornet decks in an AIP?!?!
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O.o - Hornet decks in an AIP?!?!
It doesn't seem like it since they are now on sale without sign of AIPs. Maybe they will be re-releasing a limited quantity inside a bottle once they sell out?
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O.o - Hornet decks in an AIP?!?!
It doesn't seem like it since they are now on sale without sign of AIPs. Maybe they will be re-releasing a limited quantity inside a bottle once they sell out?
Judging from Russell's statement, seeing as how he's half of Circle City Cards, the ones bringing the Hornet deck to the market, I wouldn't rule out an AIP just yet, Nathan...
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It's been mucho, mucho too long since I've been on here! But I've been absolutely buried in work. It feels good to be back among those that love cards as much as I do!
And you guys spoke, & I listened! Straight black and waaaaay lighter (it ways the exact same amount as 27 playing cards- pick up a pile and give it a test)...
The VAULT, now in BLACK ALUMINUM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VtK3LxP8Y7w/UJtvB4z2O-I/AAAAAAAACiE/AaJeJGaneJI/s400/photo%2873%29+copy.JPG) (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2HrNR7YQgYk/UJtu1FFIMdI/AAAAAAAACh8/ONW4sPMoLso/s400/photo%252872%2529+copy+3.JPG) (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DVGQQo0BkaM/UJsQ2qrs8EI/AAAAAAAACg0/SSlFsn1fL2o/s320/photo%2873%29.JPG) (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NWVJlHT_HFM/UJsRBVm-PUI/AAAAAAAACg8/9PtfUWH4lzA/s320/photo%2877%29.JPG) (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uLf8S_xC2dw/UJsROn0vICI/AAAAAAAAChE/fSCik6v0qsE/s320/photo%2878%29.JPG) (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H6-vGF5I2yo/UJsRaw_PaiI/AAAAAAAAChM/yxy7LmSlxqE/s320/photo%2876%29.JPG) (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lsh-9bsmFSU/UJsRn7sHFmI/AAAAAAAAChU/RNM1G_zHg90/s320/photo%2875%29.JPG) (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k3aHRl2x6ro/UJsRzIUFaBI/AAAAAAAAChc/TeXOrd7KggA/s320/photo%2872%29.JPG) (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html
As always, thanks for taking the time to look and comment. If it wasn't for you guys, people like myself would never get the chance to make things we love.
Your pal,
jamie
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It's been mucho, mucho too long since I've been on here! But I've been absolutely buried in work. It feels good to be back among those that love cards as much as I do!
And you guys spoke, & I listened! Straight black and waaaaay lighter (it ways the exact same amount as 27 playing cards- pick up a pile and give it a test)...
The VAULT, now in BLACK ALUMINUM
http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html (http://magicfriday.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vault.html)
As always, thanks for taking the time to look and comment. If it wasn't for you guys, people like myself would never get the chance to make things we love.
Your pal,
jamie
Looks awesome - and yes, long time no hear! You're welcome to pop in and comment any time, y'know!
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Don't worry Don, he'll be sure to pop in next time he has some wares to sell...
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Looks really nice. I would prefer this color over the other one that you had. I just wish these were less expensive.
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Don't worry Don, he'll be sure to pop in next time he has some wares to sell...
Looking back at my posts, this is a valid comment. It's a fine line between being excited about your creations and wanting to share them~ and being seen as a hustler trying to make a buck. Rest assured, I am not in this business to make moolah. I view myself as an artist and, when I make something that I think is worthy, I try to share it and, yes, sell it. But that is not why I'm here. I'm here to offer what I have to an awesome community that has a love for cards as much as I do. As a fellow artist. Be that as it may, your point is taken.
~jamie