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« on: April 08, 2014, 09:24:41 AM »
 

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/padbury/atelier-playing-cards?





Seems to me like another case of "Just another designer riding on the waves of playing cards on KS" without wanting to put in much effort.
 

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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2014, 09:35:18 AM »
 

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Seems to be a growing trend on the "Minimalistic" design concept, less work in theory, but becoming a bit overdone and at $19.00 a deck, this may be a tough sell.

Good Luck to him  :)
 

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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2014, 10:17:27 AM »
 

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I like the simplicity of the box and the design motif he has there.

Removing all the pips and having almost nothing to see on the back though, is a little too minimal for my tastes.

$19 for one deck, done in a normal USPCC run, with no real special features, is super high though. That's limited edition, special run, foil/metallic/sealed/out-the-wazoo territory.
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 12:49:57 PM »
 

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I was thinking that with some silver foil and a special stock for the tuck, something like on the Origins tuck, you could get a classy look.  And the maybe for the courts have a very faded images of the kings, queens, and jacks.
 

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 05:52:22 PM »
 

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I'm speechless.
This is one of the laziest decks I've ever seen.

Not only is the back just a simple radial design, but there's NO FACES? The indices look nice, but everything else is just... bland.

Minimalism is really beginning to irritate me. How someone can sell a deck that only has 5 original designs on it for a whopping $19 astounds me.
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 06:36:10 PM »
 

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Yeah, that seems about right???  I guess if he can pull it off then free market and what not, but that just reeks of unjustified elite think built into the pricing.  I more question anybody who would buy them at that price.
 

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 08:56:07 PM »
 

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$7,500 goal, and $19 a deck  :o and already at $4,900  ???


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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2014, 10:44:31 PM »
 

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I'm speechless.
This is one of the laziest decks I've ever seen.

Not only is the back just a simple radial design, but there's NO FACES? The indices look nice, but everything else is just... bland.

Minimalism is really beginning to irritate me. How someone can sell a deck that only has 5 original designs on it for a whopping $19 astounds me.

It seems to me that he started off with faces but couldn't find anything he liked, so he said the hell with the faces. I agree it seems lazy and I find it hard to believe he has so much funding already. How much more minimalistic can you get?
 

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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2014, 10:48:37 PM »
 

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How much more minimalistic can you get?

I'm putting these up on KS next week.   ;)

 

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 10:56:21 PM »
 

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2014, 11:13:52 PM »
 

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How much more minimalistic can you get?

I'm putting these up on KS next week.   ;)



I'm in for 2 as long as they are no more than $30 each.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2014, 03:51:08 AM »
 

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OK - I COULD HAVE DESIGNED THIS DECK!  I HAVE ZERO ARTISTIC TALENT AND COULD HAVE MADE THIS IN UNDER A WEEKEND!!

BUT EVEN I WOULD NOT HAVE THE COJONES TO SELL THIS FOR NINETEEN U.S. DOLLARS A PACK WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!!!

It's got to be the "high design" nonsense, the same wave that the Misc. Goods Co. deck rode to what at the time was a record-breaking success.  Those are the kind of people who would toss down $19 for a deck and think it was a bargain, as long as it fit with their design aesthetic.

It's a "good" thing that he's rapidly reaching his goal and then some, because he certainly didn't adequately budget for the creation and distribution of this deck...
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2014, 10:06:57 PM »
 

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I can't understand how this deck already has $29K with 22 days left!!!

758 people have bought into this idea of cards. WTH...
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2014, 12:40:00 AM »
 

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I'm still a little befuddled by the guy who pledged FOUR-HUNDRED-NINETY-NINE DOLLARS, AMERICAN, to get the deck marked #1 in the series - and hand-delivered by the designer, if the recipient lives in the San Francisco area...

It's like watching the Emperor and his retinue parade down Lombard Street, "dressed to the nines"...though it is SF, so that might not be enough to raise any eyebrows!
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2014, 02:08:10 AM »
 

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Kudos to Robert though. His online following is nothing to scoff at, and they love his work.
 

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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2014, 11:55:54 AM »
 

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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2014, 02:59:58 PM »
 

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This honestly baffles me, not so much that the deck was created but that there is so much support for a deck that literally anyone could have made. 827 backers for a 19 dollar deck with the least amount of effort put into it that I think I've ever seen? Just wow
 

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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2014, 04:18:50 PM »
 

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This honestly baffles me, not so much that the deck was created but that there is so much support for a deck that literally anyone could have made. 827 backers for a 19 dollar deck with the least amount of effort put into it that I think I've ever seen? Just wow

The tuck looks classy.
 

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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2014, 06:14:59 PM »
 

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This honestly baffles me, not so much that the deck was created but that there is so much support for a deck that literally anyone could have made. 827 backers for a 19 dollar deck with the least amount of effort put into it that I think I've ever seen? Just wow

The tuck looks classy.

I agree that the tuck looks nice  but it's not compelling enough for me to spend $19 on a single deck.  Honestly,  I don't like minimal designs and I hope this trend will soon end.  Not a single one of these minimalist designs have appealed to me,  but I guess that's no surprise,  since I tend to lean towards decks full of detail and/or color. 
 

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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2014, 08:24:31 PM »
 

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This honestly baffles me, not so much that the deck was created but that there is so much support for a deck that literally anyone could have made. 827 backers for a 19 dollar deck with the least amount of effort put into it that I think I've ever seen? Just wow

OK, I finally have to chime in here. First of all, I like this deck - just to be clear. If that makes me an idiot, so be it.

Before anybody else jumps on the laziness bandwagon, go and read the text on Kickstarter about his design process. You'll see all the designs he tried and discarded. It's interesting.......he says he was incredibly nervous about going with this design.

It's fine and certainly understandable if you don't like it. But it's not the result of laziness. Craziness, maybe yes a little. I don't mind that :)
 

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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2014, 11:31:43 PM »
 

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This honestly baffles me, not so much that the deck was created but that there is so much support for a deck that literally anyone could have made. 827 backers for a 19 dollar deck with the least amount of effort put into it that I think I've ever seen? Just wow

OK, I finally have to chime in here. First of all, I like this deck - just to be clear. If that makes me an idiot, so be it.

Before anybody else jumps on the laziness bandwagon, go and read the text on Kickstarter about his design process. You'll see all the designs he tried and discarded. It's interesting.......he says he was incredibly nervous about going with this design.

It's fine and certainly understandable if you don't like it. But it's not the result of laziness. Craziness, maybe yes a little. I don't mind that :)


I wouldn't say your an idiot for liking any deck of cards. I recently spent over a $100 on a deck, that a lot of people wouldn't pay $25 for. If you think it's worth $19, then that's all that matters. For me, I wouldn't pay $2 for it.

As some have pointed out. His is a very basic design. Just about anybody could have designed it. Him being lazy-no. He made the design, and through it on KS. Convinced people to spend $19 on a deck of cards, that cost less than $3 to make. He's over $32k now. He may be a genius, or just lucky. Either way, he's getting the money.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2014, 02:19:54 AM »
 

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Kudos to Robert though. His online following is nothing to scoff at, and they love his work.

I'm betting that it's his online following that's making this deck the success that it is.

Honestly, it's not like I think the deck is so terrible.  But it's expensive, and for something like a pack of playing cards, minimalist designs can suck some of the fun out of the game.  Where's the man with the axe, the bedpost Queen, the one-eyed Jacks?  Where's the interesting pip patterns?  It's too sterile for my tastes.


I agree that the tuck looks nice  but it's not compelling enough for me to spend $19 on a single deck.  Honestly,  I don't like minimal designs and I hope this trend will soon end.  Not a single one of these minimalist designs have appealed to me,  but I guess that's no surprise,  since I tend to lean towards decks full of detail and/or color. 

I can't blame you for that.  BTW, I really like the new avatar photo - looks great!


OK, I finally have to chime in here. First of all, I like this deck - just to be clear. If that makes me an idiot, so be it.

Before anybody else jumps on the laziness bandwagon, go and read the text on Kickstarter about his design process. You'll see all the designs he tried and discarded. It's interesting.......he says he was incredibly nervous about going with this design.

It's fine and certainly understandable if you don't like it. But it's not the result of laziness. Craziness, maybe yes a little. I don't mind that :)

I don't care how terrible a deck is in my opinion - if you think it's something worth having, that does NOT make you an idiot or anything of the sort.  You're entitled to your opinions and tastes just as much as I am, and not every design will appeal to every person.  That I would defend with my dying breath.  Just because you differ from the consensus around here, that doesn't make your opinion invalid in any way.  It's important in a truly free society for people to be able to express contrary opinions freely and fearlessly, for to do otherwise would be the path to cultural stagnation and the end of intellectual growth.  So please, be as contrary as you like and know that we still count you as a member in good standing!

You make a valid point about the behind-the-scenes work - yes, there was some degree of effort that went into the thought processes behind this deck.

I think what bothers so many of the collectors here is that we're so used to seeing beautiful designs the type of which we could never have imagined.  Color, style, flair, etc.  This is playing cards stripped down to the bones.  In fact, I actually saw a Chinese deck once of the same general design - indices only, totally pipless and courtless.  I think that one, however, was done on a background color that would match common cardboard boxes.  There was absolutely no fanfare around that deck, while this one's attracting a parade.  Eh, such is life, I suppose.
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2014, 03:35:40 AM »
 

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Kudos to Robert though. His online following is nothing to scoff at, and they love his work.

I'm betting that it's his online following that's making this deck the success that it is.

Honestly, it's not like I think the deck is so terrible.  But it's expensive, and for something like a pack of playing cards, minimalist designs can suck some of the fun out of the game.  Where's the man with the axe, the bedpost Queen, the one-eyed Jacks?  Where's the interesting pip patterns?  It's too sterile for my tastes.


I agree that the tuck looks nice  but it's not compelling enough for me to spend $19 on a single deck.  Honestly,  I don't like minimal designs and I hope this trend will soon end.  Not a single one of these minimalist designs have appealed to me,  but I guess that's no surprise,  since I tend to lean towards decks full of detail and/or color. 

I can't blame you for that.  BTW, I really like the new avatar photo - looks great!


OK, I finally have to chime in here. First of all, I like this deck - just to be clear. If that makes me an idiot, so be it.

Before anybody else jumps on the laziness bandwagon, go and read the text on Kickstarter about his design process. You'll see all the designs he tried and discarded. It's interesting.......he says he was incredibly nervous about going with this design.

It's fine and certainly understandable if you don't like it. But it's not the result of laziness. Craziness, maybe yes a little. I don't mind that :)

I don't care how terrible a deck is in my opinion - if you think it's something worth having, that does NOT make you an idiot or anything of the sort.  You're entitled to your opinions and tastes just as much as I am, and not every design will appeal to every person.  That I would defend with my dying breath.  Just because you differ from the consensus around here, that doesn't make your opinion invalid in any way.  It's important in a truly free society for people to be able to express contrary opinions freely and fearlessly, for to do otherwise would be the path to cultural stagnation and the end of intellectual growth.  So please, be as contrary as you like and know that we still count you as a member in good standing!

You make a valid point about the behind-the-scenes work - yes, there was some degree of effort that went into the thought processes behind this deck.

I think what bothers so many of the collectors here is that we're so used to seeing beautiful designs the type of which we could never have imagined.  Color, style, flair, etc. 

Thanks Don. :) And I agree with you. A different opinion doesn't make someone an idiot.

CordedTires, I don't think it's stupid to pledge for this deck. It's just my personal opinion that this particular design isn't worth $19, but if it's worth that to you, then I don't see anything wrong with that. Like Don said, I guess I've just been accustomed to look at really beautiful designs. I prefer a deck with lots of things to look at (intricate line work, complex designs, etc.) as opposed to an almost blank card.
 

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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2014, 11:15:29 AM »
 

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Maybe my comment was a bit harsh, but I stand by my opinion that this deck is severely overpriced. If it cost half as much, I would consider getting one because I agree that there is an elegance to the tuck box, but 19 bucks is ridiculous. Even 29 bucks for 2 is overpriced by a good deal. As someone already pointed out, if Jackson charged 11 bucks for the art on the fed 52s, it's baffling that this guy thinks he can charge nearly double.

But hey, it's successful so who really cares what I have to say. Money talks
 

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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2014, 04:25:22 PM »
 

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Thanks all for your exquisitely good manners!

I agree that the price is hard to justify, and that it's to all our benefit to complain about (or better yet, refuse to pay) prices above the norm.

The big total (despite or maybe because of the price, if they're used to the "name-designer" premium) has to be his twitter followers as Don and others have said.
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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2014, 01:10:37 AM »
 

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When it comes to high-end designer goods, people will drop $15, $20 or even $25 without giving it a second thought - to them, that's a bargain, even if it is a deck of cards, because it's so much cheaper than many of the artist's other works, I would imagine.  They aren't looking at this pack as something to use for cardistry or Saturday night poker with the gang, but as a piece of art.

That's fine and dandy for them, really, if that's what they're seeking - it's just not so great for me.  I see them as a bit boring to look at and terribly impractical for magic as all of the cards will practically look alike!  My spectator wouldn't be able to tell one from another on sight without having to scrutinize what's going on a lot more carefully than most magicians would prefer.  I hold a Bicycle Rider Back 6 of Diamonds from across a small room, people will still see it and identify it.  Do that with this deck and that just won't be the case - it's something I'd have to use while only inches away, not feet.  (Centimeters away, not meters, for the people from all-metric lands!)
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Reducing a design, taking things out, refining, is a hard and tricky process. The natural inclination is usually to add more, do more, make it fancier. So, from that perspective it is admirable that he worked through so many design iterations.

However, what I personally think he missed here is that playing cards are not and should not be just "designey artwork." They are a functional object, with a rich and long history and a usable purpose. By dismantling the design to this degree, you remove the purpose of the object and I think that creating a pointless product is rather silly. Clearly I'm not hipster enough.

Many people look at projects like this one and try to equate it to Apple products, where things are taken out and focus is tightened, but what they aren't realizing is that the Apple approach to simplification is to make a product that works BETTER for the normal person, not less usable and worse.

Good for him, glad it's a success, but I personally feel it's a pretty poor deck of cards.

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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2014, 02:21:30 PM »
 

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Clearly I'm not hipster enough.

Many people look at projects like this one and try to equate it to Apple products, where things are taken out and focus is tightened, but what they aren't realizing is that the Apple approach to simplification is to make a product that works BETTER for the normal person, not less usable and worse.


That first part is probably the best quote ever.

I think you hit the mark with the supposedly comparison to Apple products. I think what Apple tried to do was make things simple so that the masses could accept and use technology without being afraid of it, which a lot of people were pre-2000 with computer stuff. It felt too "technical" or "complex" where a lot of stuff now is simple and self-explanatory and definitely very easy to use.

Playing cards themselves are pretty streamlined and functional as they are after evolving and changing throughout the years.

Best of luck to the guy and I congratulate him on his success.
 

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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2014, 03:08:46 AM »
 

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Reducing a design, taking things out, refining, is a hard and tricky process. The natural inclination is usually to add more, do more, make it fancier. So, from that perspective it is admirable that he worked through so many design iterations.

However, what I personally think he missed here is that playing cards are not and should not be just "designey artwork." They are a functional object, with a rich and long history and a usable purpose. By dismantling the design to this degree, you remove the purpose of the object and I think that creating a pointless product is rather silly. Clearly I'm not hipster enough.

Many people look at projects like this one and try to equate it to Apple products, where things are taken out and focus is tightened, but what they aren't realizing is that the Apple approach to simplification is to make a product that works BETTER for the normal person, not less usable and worse.

Good for him, glad it's a success, but I personally feel it's a pretty poor deck of cards.

This! Though I think the comparison to Apple just started because somehow someone found out he used to work for Apple.
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This! Though I think the comparison to Apple just started because somehow someone found out he used to work for Apple.

Interesting. I hadn't really heard anything along those lines, but was working from the general assumption that whenever something is designed "white and simple" people start drawing comparisons.
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However, what I personally think he missed here is that playing cards are not and should not be just "designey artwork." They are a functional object, with a rich and long history and a usable purpose. By dismantling the design to this degree, you remove the purpose of the object and I think that creating a pointless product is rather silly. Clearly I'm not hipster enough.

In theory, it would be great to call this deck and others like it something other than playing cards.  We can call them "art decks", we can call them impractical, but even stripped back this far, they can still be used (with some difficulty) as a deck of cards.  This designer stripped back every single element possible - take one more and they really no longer are playing cards.  (Except perhaps one of the indices, but that would only serve to make them even less practical.)

My personal thoughts on calling them just "designey artwork" (love that phrase, BTW) is that once you start drawing lines, they inevitably get blurred - there's a lot of decks that have come and gone that were horribly ugly and nearly no one here would want to call them cards, but that "nearly no one" is the key.  Someone will still call them cards, love the design, etc. despite any artistic merit, impracticality, etc.

Eh.  I think I need to wake up more.
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Re: Atelier Playing Cards
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2014, 02:20:53 PM »
 

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I mean, the tuck box is very nice, I'm even partial to the backs. But I agree $19 is a little steep.

Then again I just bought two decks of the gilded edged PAGAN cards by Uusi so I'm a bit of a hypocrite.

Only thing that matters is that his backers are happy and that he isn't scamming the community. Honestly,  part of the fun of this hobby is that certain people like certain designs and value them as one of the treasures of their collection and others don't like that design and don't add them tp their collection.

Some people don't like the If an Octopus Could Palm deck from D&D because they are essentially just a glorified deck of standard cards, whereas I think they're very cool.

I agree with Don. Just like the decks that you like. We all come here because we have the same hobby generally, but if your opinion differs from anybody elses that's fine. And honestly, despite everyone here not digging it, there's enough people on KS that do, so maybe we're the minority here.

Even though most of us seem to dislike it, it doesnt matter. This guy is making money regardless of whether I think it looks good or not. And if I made that amount of money on a project I dont think id be personally offended if anyone told me they didn't like the deck.
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Re: Atelier Playing Cards
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2014, 04:33:30 AM »
 

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So...i was just back from a long overseas trip to Taiwan and catching up on some topics here, and i get a $51k funded project which really made me go WTF.

Of course, this is just a personal opinion and my 2 cents worth, but those design processes that he put up honestly seems a little like something i used to compile for my final year design project when i was back in school. A day from submission and i lack "design processes" to make my design seem like it has gone through a lot of thought processing? BAM...doodle on a stack of paper.

I won't argue on how much thought processing has been put through this design. Sometimes, a whole lot has been thought through and you end up at your initial start point. It may really be a case for him, and it may be worth $19 a deck if so. But i feel many of the backers are just jumping in not for the design process but because of the sleek tuck and "minimalist" design of no courts and pips. Probably something not done before to such "plain" extent? Either way, i do think this design probably works only once, so i would like to see what he can come up next for his second deck.
 

Re: Atelier Playing Cards
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2014, 07:56:59 AM »
 

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So...i was just back from a long overseas trip to Taiwan and catching up on some topics here, and i get a $51k funded project which really made me go WTF.

Of course, this is just a personal opinion and my 2 cents worth, but those design processes that he put up honestly seems a little like something i used to compile for my final year design project when i was back in school. A day from submission and i lack "design processes" to make my design seem like it has gone through a lot of thought processing? BAM...doodle on a stack of paper.

I won't argue on how much thought processing has been put through this design. Sometimes, a whole lot has been thought through and you end up at your initial start point. It may really be a case for him, and it may be worth $19 a deck if so. But i feel many of the backers are just jumping in not for the design process but because of the sleek tuck and "minimalist" design of no courts and pips. Probably something not done before to such "plain" extent? Either way, i do think this design probably works only once, so i would like to see what he can come up next for his second deck.

I'd love to say this would be a one-shot thing, like lightning striking a particular spot.  Unfortunately, it's a myth that lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place, and on Kickstarter, when someone makes a lot of money doing something exceptionally simple to copy, rest assured it will be copied ad nauseum by people both with and without the needed skills to do so.

I'm sorely tempted to "out-minimalist" this guy, make the same EXACT deck minus the goofy circles on the back and sell it for half what he's charging!!  There was more effort put into the making of the video i my opinion, and it's a really pretentious-looking video!
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