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I bought this at an antique store to hold my cards. It was labeled as an oak jewelry box. I did a little research and it looks like it may have been made to hold tools. I have even seen it used as a handgun collectors chest! lol

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There's been SO many discussions on just this topic and its many variations!

Playing cards are NOT a good investment.  Period.

Remember all those people who thought they'd put their kids through college by buying "Death of Superman #1" in the black-bag edition?  There were so many made, comic book stores use them to fill drafty gaps in the walls or shred them to use as packing filler - they can hardly give them away, they're selling for so little now.  Maybe after several hundred thousand of them have become landfill under a municipal building somewhere will then even start to come back to the original retail value, never mind higher.  Those kids are goin' to community college!

There are many factors beyond simple rarity that affect the price of a deck of cards.  The original "Holy Grail" of card collectors was the Black Ghost by Ellusionist - not the current, second edition but the originals.  At first they weren't even a customer premium - they were handed out to selected celebrities in the magic community and friends of the company and such.  Demand peaked at around $400 a pack on eBay.  And that was a print run of 5,000 - considered rare at the time because that was the smallest run USPC would make and companies like Expert and Legends didn't exist yet.  The price eventually eroded to the point where they were going for maybe $50 a pack, sometimes even less.  It's only since Ellusionist gave away the last of the supply that the price has started to bounce back a little.

Meanwhile, another 5,000-printed deck, the Bicycle New Fan Back Gold Seal Edition in black, still sells for between $5 and $10.  And the super-rare white version, only 1,000 made, never commanded the price that the Black Ghost did.

Demand and supply, supply and demand.  Plain and simple.  Your deck might be one of only 1,000 or 500 made, but if only 100 or 200 people are actively seeking it out and interested in owning it, well, pricing is going to be a little soft.  Meanwhile, decks like the color editions of the Smoke and Mirrors decks were made in the low five figures but they sell for a noteworthy price because so many people want them.

Demand and supply both have a randomizing factor - time.  For supply, that number only decreases over time as decks are lost, destroyed, sold out, etc.  Supply can be fickle.  There's always a spike in price for a limited edition deck when it first comes out, but once the feeding frenzy dies down, the demand gets weaker and the supply is enough to meet it - or at least enough to meet the demand of those who can afford it at the current market.price.

Funny things happen in the marketplace - it's not usually the intentionally rare decks that become worth something, but the ones never meant to be rare which end up by uncontrollable circumstances becoming rare.  These are usually the vintage decks.  The biggest example are the War Series.  USPC released a series of four decks, one for each branch of the military, way back in early 1918 as a way to support the war effort by getting people together to play cards (a cheap entertainment requiring few resources) and to raise money for war bonds.  The decks were Big Gun (Army), Dreadnaught (Navy), Flying Aces (Army Air Corps, predecessor to the Air Force) and Invincible (Marine Corps).  They were not meant to be limited editions, not sold as collectibles, etc. - but the full set in mint, still-sealed condition could buy you a late-model used economy car.  When the Great War, now known as World War I, ended, the decks were pulled from production and demand for them dropped - I wouldn't be surprised if many if not most of the decks were returned to USPC by retailers as unsold goods.  They are possibly the decks with the shortest production runs of any of the Bicycle backs in the "Mrs. Robinson" book of the classic, vintage backs.

...and they were NEVER meant to be collectibles.

"Investing" in any of the modern, rare, "collectible" decks, especially with the intent to sell them any time within a generation from when you bought them, is a lot like buying cheapo penny stocks in bulk on the hopes that the price will rise a few cents and you can "make a killing" in the marketplace.  Craps might be a better option, or perhaps a slot machine.  A smart stock owner will buy stocks today for selling perhaps 30, 40, 50 years or more down the road, since the stock market's general tendency trends upward over long periods of time.  You diversify so you don't have all your investments in any one company or industry, and you buy reputable stocks to invest in reputable companies.  If you're younger, you toss in just a reasonable amount of risk, if the potential payoff is worth the chance; as you age, you progressively minimize your risk as you get closer and closer to the time you want to use that money for something else - a retirement, a house, a college education, a trip around the world, what have you.

Buy what playing cards you want because you love them, not because you think they're a good investment.  There are no "blue chip" decks out there, meant to be solid investment material for the long haul.

Agreed!

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Re: Card and Coin Balance
« on: September 22, 2014, 08:44:17 PM »
The second image looks amazing.
The first image looks like the AoS is placed in a hole - maybe a Chinese coin?
Thank you!
You are correct!  ;)

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Re: Card and Coin Balance
« on: September 22, 2014, 08:43:23 PM »
Hello,

I was just wondering if there is anyone here that does card and coin balancing. If so, what are your favorite cards/coins to use?

Thanks! :)

I have a few more pictures of my coin and card balances in my album.

Now, the photos aren't staged, correct?  It's not like there's some tape, string or superglue holding everything together, right?  It's incredible looking.

Since this is a "No reveals" area...I will only say half of my stuff is legit. The other half I have things that help me get the result that I am looking for. ;)

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Re: Card and Coin Balance
« on: September 22, 2014, 08:40:05 PM »
Very cool and neat stuff!
I think a while back, Ellusionist shared this Instagram page of a person who was posting apparently levitating card fans and displays, then revealed elaborate card balancing acts supporting them, which made the whole thing even more unbelievable.

Thanks! It is a lot of fun.
I need to look that up! I am very interested in seeing it. :)

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Card and Coin Balance
« on: September 17, 2014, 06:25:44 PM »
Hello,

I was just wondering if there is anyone here that does card and coin balancing. If so, what are your favorite cards/coins to use?

Thanks! :)

I have a few more pictures of my coin and card balances in my album.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello Everyone from 1greeneyedwonderwoman
« on: September 17, 2014, 01:53:24 AM »
Welcome 1greeneyedwonderwoman,
Everyone here at The Discourse is amazingly friendly, helpful and insightful. I am relatively new here but I always enjoy being here chatting about decks and debating the merits of the creators work. I am so happy to see another artist on here! So WELCOME!
-Rose
Also I do not believe Don is a novice magician, I think he is being modest.  ;D

Thank you for the warm welcome Rose :)
I look forward to chatting with you.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello Everyone from 1greeneyedwonderwoman
« on: August 24, 2014, 08:58:41 PM »
Welcome KathyK - you could have the longest moniker I've seen on the site. Enjoy your times with us.
Yes, it's pretty long! All of the shorter ones that I wanted were taken. :) Thank you for the warm welcome.

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I figure I'd start off posting a few pics of one of my favorite vintage decks… 1800's Steamboats with Watermelon Joker…

Gorgeous cards!

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello Everyone from 1greeneyedwonderwoman
« on: August 23, 2014, 07:15:29 PM »
Welcome to the Discourse, Kathy.  I think you'll find you're in good company here.  By and large, we're a pretty friendly community with diverse backgrounds and origins but one thing in common - a love of playing cards, be they custom or standard, new or vintage, foreign or domestic!

You mentioned Zatanna, coin work and card flourishes - are you a magician, either at the hobbyist level or working?  I'm at the novice stage myself - but I do have a regular gig at a hospital once a month where I perform for the kids in the pediatric unit and the pediatric emergency room.

Remember that the search feature is your friend and if you have any questions that it couldn't solve, please ask!  On top of all the rest, we're helpful as well!  :))

Cheers!

Hello, Thanks for the welcome and advice. I am learning magic as a hobby.

That is really awesome that you perform for those kids! :)

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello Everyone from 1greeneyedwonderwoman
« on: August 23, 2014, 07:13:29 PM »
Hello Kathy Kat, welcome to the forum. :)

Hello! :) Thanks for the welcome.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: How did you find PlayingCardForum?
« on: August 23, 2014, 02:18:42 AM »
I was on Google looking up cards and coins as usual and came across this forum. :)

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Introduce Yourself / Hello Everyone from 1greeneyedwonderwoman
« on: August 23, 2014, 02:13:53 AM »
Hello everyone! I am Kathy Kat. I'm from a suburb of Memphis, TN. I have always been very artistic, and creative. Interested in art, music, photography, books, comics (mostly Zatanna & Wonder Woman), travel, and animals. This year I have really developed an interest in cards and coins. I have a nice size collection of both. Always adding more. lol
I am just now learning some card flourishes, and coin tricks. Always trying to find more to read, or watch on either of those two. One of my favorite things to do is coin balancing. I found this forum because I was googling cards and coins. Thanks for taking the time to read this. :)

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