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[NEW] Madison Dealers V2 Scarlet & Black w/ Borders
« on: January 27, 2014, 06:18:42 AM »
 

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[NEW] Madison Dealers w/ Borders
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2014, 08:18:13 AM »
 

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I swear dealers were meant to be a gamblers deck with no borders. Why borders? That's if it is definitely dealers.
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Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers w/ Borders
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2014, 10:01:48 AM »
 

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Yawwnnsss.. Reprint Reprint Reprint.. Hope it doesnt sell (i sure as hell wont be buying any Madison decks), maybe E will sit up and take notice that this formula aint gonna work no more.
 

Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers w/ Borders
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2014, 11:28:30 AM »
 

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I swear dealers were meant to be a gamblers deck with no borders. Why borders? That's if it is definitely dealers.

Would we rather just a color change? The new color of dealers was inevitable.

A Madison marked deck for both gambler and magician (no border/border). Theory11 players don't count.

I hope it's not some wacky color.
 

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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2014, 12:37:49 PM »
 

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Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers w/ Borders
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2014, 12:58:03 PM »
 

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That is the Ace of Spades.  Looks like the same marking system.
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Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers w/ Borders
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2014, 01:45:49 PM »
 

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I believe it's the Nine of Clubs, if it's the same marking system.

I can't fault E for using what works. So I wonder what colour the deck will be and what colour the LE deck will be?
 

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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2014, 01:49:53 PM »
 

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Haha, you're right...I did not look closely at that at all.  I think I need a new pair of glasses.
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Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers w/ Borders
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2014, 01:53:30 PM »
 

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Haha, you're right...I did not look closely at that at all.  I think I need a new pair of glasses.

I spent a New Year's Eve impressing drunk friends with the Dealers so it's the only reason I still remember the marking so well ...

alcohol + new year's eve + friends + card reading =  ;D

The sad thing, I will admit now, is if the regular bordered Dealers are blue or a nice colour, I will probably get a few decks.
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2014, 04:22:06 PM »
 

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Haha, you're right...I did not look closely at that at all.  I think I need a new pair of glasses.

I spent a New Year's Eve impressing drunk friends with the Dealers so it's the only reason I still remember the marking so well ...

alcohol + new year's eve + friends + card reading =  ;D

The sad thing, I will admit now, is if the regular bordered Dealers are blue or a nice colour, I will probably get a few decks.

Why would that be sad?

I think it's a good time NOT do the buy a brick promotion. Not really feeling it.  E is on a very thin line between making a profit and taking advantage of customers at this point. It would be nice just buying the few I want this time around without a limited product being dangled over my head. Let's mix it up or be a little more creative.
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2014, 05:23:02 PM »
 

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We could do Ellusionist Roulette...everyone throws down $12 to get one of the decks offered and a 1/12 chance at getting the special deck (guessing it will be a Scarlett dealers with borders)?  Haha.
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2014, 06:42:57 PM »
 

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Looks interesting. I'll probably get a pack of these, I like borders.
 

Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers w/ Borders
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2014, 09:48:18 PM »
 

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Nobody has said or hinted a 2 colors so let's hope not!
 

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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2014, 10:13:03 PM »
 

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Nobody has said or hinted a 2 colors so let's hope not!

I don't remember any hints of Blue Rounders when Brown was being released either.  I would not go by that.
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2014, 10:36:12 PM »
 

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I'm going to say it's confirmed that the new Madison Dealers V2 are Black and Red: http://www.madisonplayingcards.com/ though E's site doesn't have them yet. I guess later this week, maybe?  If you click on the two V2 decks, both are unlimited. So two colours, but at least it's not buy a brick to get one LE colour. I'd say that's a smart move on their part and I could see picking up a few reds. It is a nice shade.
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2014, 10:57:04 PM »
 

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I'm going to say it's confirmed that the new Madison Dealers V2 are Black and Red: http://www.madisonplayingcards.com/ though E's site doesn't have them yet. I guess later this week, maybe?  If you click on the two V2 decks, both are unlimited. So two colours, but at least it's not buy a brick to get one LE colour. I'd say that's a smart move on their part and I could see picking up a few reds. It is a nice shade.

It says Daniel released the Madison Players deck in 2007? Huh!?!
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2014, 11:04:42 PM »
 

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I found the link while trying to search for a picture of the Madison Card Clip and got this: http://www.danielmadison.co.uk/19101516.html . Bottom left leads to that previous linked page. 
 

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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2014, 11:16:45 PM »
 

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I found the link while trying to search for a picture of the Madison Card Clip and got this: http://www.danielmadison.co.uk/19101516.html . Bottom left leads to that previous linked page.

Nice find.

And yet the Scarlet Players still elude me. Not even a picture of them?
 

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2014, 11:17:47 PM »
 

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Not sure where you're seeing both Black and Red as unlimited.  The Red says unlimited, but the Black says that it is a small run, like Daniel always does, but this time he's not keeping them for himself.  That, to me, does not sound unlimited, just more available than the Red Rounders.
 

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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2014, 07:52:01 AM »
 

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A very easy pass for me.

I wasn't too thrilled with the V1 dealers, as the cards felt pretty flimsy. The promos seemed to suggest that they were made for Expert at the Card Table type gambling slights... yet they didn't even have a traditional cut! That, combined with the not-so-firm stock meant that the cards didn't shuffle too well for me, and hardly lasted.

Adding a white border... I really don't see how that helps with gambling slights! If anything, it makes them less gambler friendly!
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2014, 11:24:36 AM »
 

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A very easy pass for me.

I wasn't too thrilled with the V1 dealers, as the cards felt pretty flimsy. The promos seemed to suggest that they were made for Expert at the Card Table type gambling slights... yet they didn't even have a traditional cut! That, combined with the not-so-firm stock meant that the cards didn't shuffle too well for me, and hardly lasted.

Adding a white border... I really don't see how that helps with gambling slights! If anything, it makes them less gambler friendly!

To each their own.

It's been a few months since I worked with a fresh out of the box deck of dealers. I don't remember if they were or were not traditionally cut. Like most USPCC decks they faro shuffle just fine both ways when I'm done breaking them in. I never had a problem with the stock. They are to Daniel's preference.

As for gambler's, I don't believe these are for the gambling demographic. Most likely more the magician then gambler.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2014, 06:22:08 PM »
 

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A very easy pass for me.

I wasn't too thrilled with the V1 dealers, as the cards felt pretty flimsy. The promos seemed to suggest that they were made for Expert at the Card Table type gambling slights... yet they didn't even have a traditional cut! That, combined with the not-so-firm stock meant that the cards didn't shuffle too well for me, and hardly lasted.

Adding a white border... I really don't see how that helps with gambling slights! If anything, it makes them less gambler friendly!

To each their own.

It's been a few months since I worked with a fresh out of the box deck of dealers. I don't remember if they were or were not traditionally cut. Like most USPCC decks they pharaoh shuffle just fine both ways when I'm done breaking them in. I never had a problem with the stock. They are to Daniel's preference.

As for gambler's, I don't believe these are for the gambling demographic. Most likely more the magician then gambler.

Hello there bro.

I have to disagree with the notion that the Madison Dealers are NOT aimed at gamblers. I'm going to refer to two paragraphs on Ellusionist's sales page for the dealers:

"As used in 1902, these playing cards utilize an edge-to-edge borderless casino "gambling house" design. If you are worried about double lifts etc, perhaps it's time to stop relying on white borders to hide inefficiencies. These cards will help you to get good at what you do. Madison has used the edge-to-edge design for that single purpose since he was a teenager taking people's money in real games."

Even if we ignore the very specific mention of GAMBLING HOUSE DESIGN, the end part also make it obvious that the cards are best suited for gambling.

One more paragraph:

"If you believe these fine playing cards fit your personal style, pick up a deck or twelve and put them through the wringer: bottoms, centers, shifts, palms, changes and switches. See how these trusted sleights feel in your hands."

Although those moves CAN be used in a magic routine, all of those moves are primerily gambling moves.

Then there is also the promo video... and that was very much centred around Erdnase and Expert at the Card Table -- and let's face it, EATCT was about card cheating, rather than card magic.

If anything, I'd say that the Madison Rounders are the cards which are aimed at magicians, rather than the V1 Dealers.

The Dealers definitely weren't traditionally cut -- the very first thing I test with any deck is the cut. Although I have heard many people say that cards faro well both ways when broken in, I guessing that they're talking about in-the-hands faros, rather than tabled faros. On a table, cards definitely riffle-faro much better one way, depending on their cut.

However, what I do totally agree with you on is the fact that they are made to Madison's personal preference -- and yeah, I would also say that his preference appeals to more people (by the thousands!) than my preference. For me, I just found the cards too flimsy... they didn't last long for me at all. However, that's just me, and I'm sure that I'm in a minority.

After all... to each, their own!
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Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers V2 Scarlet & Black w/ Borders
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2014, 08:10:25 PM »
 

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A very easy pass for me.

I wasn't too thrilled with the V1 dealers, as the cards felt pretty flimsy. The promos seemed to suggest that they were made for Expert at the Card Table type gambling slights... yet they didn't even have a traditional cut! That, combined with the not-so-firm stock meant that the cards didn't shuffle too well for me, and hardly lasted.

Adding a white border... I really don't see how that helps with gambling slights! If anything, it makes them less gambler friendly!

To each their own.

It's been a few months since I worked with a fresh out of the box deck of dealers. I don't remember if they were or were not traditionally cut. Like most USPCC decks they faro shuffle just fine both ways when I'm done breaking them in. I never had a problem with the stock. They are to Daniel's preference.

As for gambler's, I don't believe these are for the gambling demographic. Most likely more the magician then gambler.

Hello there bro.

I have to disagree with the notion that the Madison Dealers are NOT aimed at gamblers. I'm going to refer to two paragraphs on Ellusionist's sales page for the dealers:

"As used in 1902, these playing cards utilize an edge-to-edge borderless casino "gambling house" design. If you are worried about double lifts etc, perhaps it's time to stop relying on white borders to hide inefficiencies. These cards will help you to get good at what you do. Madison has used the edge-to-edge design for that single purpose since he was a teenager taking people's money in real games."

Even if we ignore the very specific mention of GAMBLING HOUSE DESIGN, the end part also make it obvious that the cards are best suited for gambling.

One more paragraph:

"If you believe these fine playing cards fit your personal style, pick up a deck or twelve and put them through the wringer: bottoms, centers, shifts, palms, changes and switches. See how these trusted sleights feel in your hands."

Although those moves CAN be used in a magic routine, all of those moves are primerily gambling moves.

Then there is also the promo video... and that was very much centred around Erdnase and Expert at the Card Table -- and let's face it, EATCT was about card cheating, rather than card magic.

If anything, I'd say that the Madison Rounders are the cards which are aimed at magicians, rather than the V1 Dealers.

The Dealers definitely weren't traditionally cut -- the very first thing I test with any deck is the cut. Although I have heard many people say that cards faro well both ways when broken in, I guessing that they're talking about in-the-hands faros, rather than tabled faros. On a table, cards definitely riffle-faro much better one way, depending on their cut.

However, what I do totally agree with you on is the fact that they are made to Madison's personal preference -- and yeah, I would also say that his preference appeals to more people (by the thousands!) than my preference. For me, I just found the cards too flimsy... they didn't last long for me at all. However, that's just me, and I'm sure that I'm in a minority.

After all... to each, their own!

What I'm saying is the no border dealers are for the gambler demographic but the V2 has a different more broad demographic with no borders. Your making reference to the original dealers and original promo.

Besides, I don't know any fool that would be crazy enough to actually use Dealers in an underground poker game. Unless your someone that has a wish to be seriously injured.
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Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers V2 Scarlet & Black w/ Borders
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2014, 08:50:35 PM »
 

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In that case, sorry about that bro -- I thought you were referring to the V1 Dealers being for magicians, despite them clearly being for gamblers.

I guess the only intelligent use (apart from practising with them) for Dealers would be some sort of gambling demonstration. As you've correctly stated, using the Dealers (or for that matter, any deck with such obvious markings) in a real game is suicidal.

My personal opinion is that Ellusionist have done the Madison cards to death.
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2014, 03:04:08 AM »
 

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In that case, sorry about that bro -- I thought you were referring to the V1 Dealers being for magicians, despite them clearly being for gamblers.

I guess the only intelligent use (apart from practising with them) for Dealers would be some sort of gambling demonstration. As you've correctly stated, using the Dealers (or for that matter, any deck with such obvious markings) in a real game is suicidal.

My personal opinion is that Ellusionist have done the Madison cards to death.

I agree on that point.

I can say one positive thing about the Dealers - they're extremely difficult to detect as marked when using the riffle test.  The changes are tiny from card to card, therefore more difficult to spot.

My favorite marked deck right now would be the Bicycle Mandolin Back GT Speedreaders.  They're as easy to read as a pack of the Ultimate Marked Deck, but the markings are in the wrong corners for gamblers, the right corners for a right-to-left spread, leaving the marks upside down to the spectator.  They can be detected in a riffle test, but since they're in the wrong corner, it's possible the markings will be missed.
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2014, 07:42:38 PM »
 

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I might pick up a black deck. I think the design would work well in black.

However, the design really does look like it should be borderless. I'm getting kind of tired of Daniel Madison's cards. It was new and creative at first, but it got tired REAL fast. I really hope his next one breaks away from his logo.
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2014, 03:40:02 PM »
 

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@Ellusionist: When @TomasHlavaty saw #Dealers and #Rounders, he was inspired to upgrade the court cards. http://t.co/GMu1QGODP6

I saw this yesterday when it first was tweeted. The upgrade looks really nice! I'm hoping we will see a full version on the v2 Dealers. It does not seem as if they were created for actual decks, only for artistic purposes.
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Who's the Queen of Clubs? She reminds me of one of the participants in Penn and Teller: Fool Us.

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She was the one from "Fool Us".
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@Ellusionist: When @TomasHlavaty saw #Dealers and #Rounders, he was inspired to upgrade the court cards. http://t.co/GMu1QGODP6

I saw this yesterday when it first was tweeted. The upgrade looks really nice! I'm hoping we will see a full version on the v2 Dealers. It does not seem as if they were created for actual decks, only for artistic purposes.

Those are so much better than version 1!
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make these court cards become gaffs more fun :)) D+M look like run out of idea to me
 

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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2014, 06:11:25 AM »
 

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make these court cards become gaffs more fun :)) D+M look like run out of idea to me

You sound like you love and hate them at the same time.  Perhaps adding those extra words and fiddly punctuation bits to make complete sentences will help...  :))
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2014, 09:05:34 AM »
 

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make these court cards become gaffs more fun :)) D+M look like run out of idea to me

You sound like you love and hate them at the same time.  Perhaps adding those extra words and fiddly punctuation bits to make complete sentences will help...  :))
haha, DM is still my idol - i like his style in Flourish and Magic, and i could like the redesigns of court cards if they are true, but bring out too much variation of colors and border/no borders is really annoys - no more new idea eh  :karrit: . what could be next ?! Reboot Rounders Series without border maybe  :-\ or maybe gold Rounder/Dealer ??? damn, i missed the first time i have fun with Player, now DM and E's just like vampire to me  :mindf-ck: money-thirsty
 

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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2014, 10:08:01 AM »
 

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New Tweet........."Coming Soon". I kind of still like the borderless version, not that these look bad, but I'm not a magician either  ;)
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because of pts or that card is smaller than normal
 

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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2014, 11:00:11 AM »
 

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New Tweet........."Coming Soon". I kind of still like the borderless version, not that these look bad, but I'm not a magician either  ;)

A release date would be nice. "Coming Soon" does not tell us anything we did not already know. They are painfully dragging this along, even some of the latest DM tweets. We already know about the borders 3x. Poor utilization of social media on E's part, especially if they are retweeting DM's "border" tweet's already.

DM posing with a border patrol agent would have been classic!
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« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2014, 11:21:18 AM »
 

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haha, DM is still my idol - i like his style in Flourish and Magic, and i could like the redesigns of court cards if they are true, but bring out too much variation of colors and border/no borders is really annoys - no more new idea eh  :karrit: . what could be next ?! Reboot Rounders Series without border maybe  :-\ or maybe gold Rounder/Dealer ??? damn, i missed the first time i have fun with Player, now DM and E's just like vampire to me  :mindf-ck: money-thirsty

I met him two weeks ago in Brooklyn - he's a very nice fellow, quite personable.

I doubt the Rounders would be rebooted as borderless.

New Tweet........."Coming Soon". I kind of still like the borderless version, not that these look bad, but I'm not a magician either  ;)

A release date would be nice. "Coming Soon" does not tell us anything we did not already know. They are painfully dragging this along, even some of the latest DM tweets. We already know about the borders 3x. Poor utilization of social media on E's part, especially if they are retweeting DM's "border" tweet's already.

DM posing with a border patrol agent would have been classic!

I think that photo's kind of cool, actually.  Daniel has BIG hands - the card looks almost bridge-sized!

E doesn't drag these things out indefinitely - I'm thinking the new deck will be on sale before the month's end.
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Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers V2 Scarlet & Black w/ Borders
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2014, 11:38:27 AM »
 

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I think that photo's kind of cool, actually.  Daniel has BIG hands - the card looks almost bridge-sized!

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« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2014, 03:00:28 PM »
 

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New Tweet........."Coming Soon". I kind of still like the borderless version, not that these look bad, but I'm not a magician either  ;)

A release date would be nice. "Coming Soon" does not tell us anything we did not already know. They are painfully dragging this along, even some of the latest DM tweets. We already know about the borders 3x. Poor utilization of social media on E's part, especially if they are retweeting DM's "border" tweet's already.

DM posing with a border patrol agent would have been classic!

These are being released on Wednesday to the general public. So Tuesday for black club members.
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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2014, 04:26:16 PM »
 

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Can we assume that whatever the limited color is will be offered with a brick of the unlimited and/or with a new dvd they're releasing, or has it been specifically stated what they're doing?
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« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2014, 04:42:25 PM »
 

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Can we assume that whatever the limited color is will be offered with a brick of the unlimited and/or with a new dvd they're releasing, or has it been specifically stated what they're doing?

We can't assume. LOL The Black is the limited deck this time.

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« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2014, 04:46:22 PM »
 

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It's possible Ellusionist might just sell them and not make them a freebie.
 

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« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2014, 04:56:26 PM »
 

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It's possible Ellusionist might just sell them and not make them a freebie.

Personally I think I should get all my decks for free. Imagine that - Give a board member free swag for being positive about products. Something to think about! I think we have someone on our board like that already! lol Maybe?
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« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2014, 07:34:36 PM »
 

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It's possible Ellusionist might just sell them and not make them a freebie.

Personally I think I should get all my decks for free. Imagine that - Give a board member free swag for being positive about products. Something to think about! I think we have someone on our board like that already! lol Maybe?

I have no idea who you could possibly be talking about  :-\ Though I would guess that if someone did get free things he would return any favors 10 fold when he could!
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« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2014, 07:46:06 PM »
 

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It's possible Ellusionist might just sell them and not make them a freebie.

Personally I think I should get all my decks for free. Imagine that - Give a board member free swag for being positive about products. Something to think about! I think we have someone on our board like that already! lol Maybe?


What!!! I hearby declare that guys stuff the greatest stuff of that particular line of stuff.


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« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2014, 07:49:48 PM »
 

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« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2014, 01:14:43 AM »
 

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According to a response on Facebook, the blacks will be limited but not available with this deck, whatever that means? Not now or just not as a freebie? I guess we'll find out tomorrow.
 

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« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2014, 02:15:01 AM »
 

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It's possible Ellusionist might just sell them and not make them a freebie.

Possible but unlikely.  E tends to go the freebie route more often than the sell-em-out route.  I can only remember sales for Red Artifice and Sultan Republic Treasury Edition.


Personally I think I should get all my decks for free. Imagine that - Give a board member free swag for being positive about products. Something to think about! I think we have someone on our board like that already! lol Maybe?

I've been known to get the odd freebie now and then, so yes, such people do exist on this board!  :))

Speaking of marked decks, anyone check out the new Mechanic deck? It is also marked, for those interested.

That's nice, Victor.  Perhaps you could start a new topic on this deck?  The Mechanic V2 has a full marking system this time, suits as well as values, and at least one gaff card meant to be used in concert with the Mechanic coins.  Pre-orders have been on for a little while at Penguin Magic and the release is sometime this week, if I remember correctly.

According to a response on Facebook, the blacks will be limited but not available with this deck, whatever that means? Not now or just not as a freebie? I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

What that probably means is that they won't be offering the black deck with the red one - y'know, "buy a brick of this color, get one of that color free"?  It could become a "for-sale" rare deck, as you mentioned, but it could also become a premium for minimum purchases of $XX.XX or more, or for sale only to the Black Club or something along those lines.  All of these are concepts for rare deck distribution they've used in the past.
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« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2014, 01:49:40 PM »
 

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Ok. This "Limited Edition-Alternate Color" craze is getting really annoying.

The black design is the best one, in my opinion, but I definitely don't want to throw down the cash for one. Why not make a separate design the limited edition? Hell, why even have a limited edition? I can't remember the last time the last time they released a 2-colored deck where both colors were unlimited edition.

Then again, it could just be that once the black ones sell out, they're gone. But given every Daniel Madison deck Ellusionist has produced, that's unlikely.
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« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2014, 02:30:54 PM »
 

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Ok. This "Limited Edition-Alternate Color" craze is getting really annoying.

The black design is the best one, in my opinion, but I definitely don't want to throw down the cash for one. Why not make a separate design the limited edition? Hell, why even have a limited edition?

Honestly, I'd imagine it's just cost. Depending on who they got the design the Madison court cards (in house graphic design team or outside graphic designer), it could cost them no actual money to use them over and over again. Hiring a design is costly not to add to the cost of printing a deck. Obviously with the numbers they print it it's a lot cheaper than Kickstarter deck, but add in the cost a good designer, not to add in the original overhead cost already of staffing, promotion, fulfilment, etc, it's probably more than most companies want to pay which is probably why Ellusionist enjoys reusing the Artifice style court cards, Madison court cards or just the regular standard court cards and explains why the Pressers are sold for a higher price.
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« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2014, 05:04:07 PM »
 

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Ok. This "Limited Edition-Alternate Color" craze is getting really annoying.

The black design is the best one, in my opinion, but I definitely don't want to throw down the cash for one. Why not make a separate design the limited edition? Hell, why even have a limited edition?

Honestly, I'd imagine it's just cost. Depending on who they got the design the Madison court cards (in house graphic design team or outside graphic designer), it could cost them no actual money to use them over and over again. Hiring a design is costly not to add to the cost of printing a deck. Obviously with the numbers they print it it's a lot cheaper than Kickstarter deck, but add in the cost a good designer, not to add in the original overhead cost already of staffing, promotion, fulfilment, etc, it's probably more than most companies want to pay which is probably why Ellusionist enjoys reusing the Artifice style court cards, Madison court cards or just the regular standard court cards and explains why the Pressers are sold for a higher price.

But the court cards don't matter, in this case. And they're already printing another deck color, just in a smaller run. Same cost as the unlimited deck, but less availability and a higher price tag.
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Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers V2 Scarlet & Black w/ Borders
« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2014, 06:51:20 PM »
 

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Can we confirm this is just the Scarlet deck tonight?
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« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2014, 07:08:43 PM »
 

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Red is all I see. Tried adding a brick and didn't get anything free. They'll probably do blacks and greens next time.
 

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« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2014, 11:09:44 PM »
 

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I suppose this must be a mini dealers deck then?
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« Reply #55 on: February 19, 2014, 06:08:34 AM »
 

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Red is all I see. Tried adding a brick and didn't get anything free. They'll probably do blacks and greens next time.

Well, adding a brick and getting nothing extra makes sense, since they didn't advertise that you'd get anything extra...

I suppose this must be a mini dealers deck then?

I mentioned earlier, Daniel Madison has big hands.  It's a poker-sized card.
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« Reply #56 on: February 19, 2014, 08:01:25 AM »
 

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I mentioned earlier, Daniel Madison has big hands.  It's a poker-sized card.

It's a BIG coincidence that E released 5 mini decks. They created a similar photo with the Artifice.

Yea, I saw the tweet that the Dealers picture comes with. It's poker sized.
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« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2014, 03:30:23 AM »
 

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anyone know about Daniel Madison's secret store? I was pursuing the web and had left my developer window open. Not much there just some books.
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« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2014, 11:42:34 PM »
 

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anyone know about Daniel Madison's secret store? I was pursuing the web and had left my developer window open. Not much there just some books.

Well, I would do one of two things under the circumstances:

1) share the secret, or

2) keep the secret!

I'd be curious about the books there - are they present stock or are they older titles and out of print, only accessible from this secret location (as if anything could be kept secret on the Internet)...
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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2014, 10:11:48 PM »
 

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Anyone on the board pick these up? Mine finally arrived today and I noticed that every single deck I have ended up having two seals (like the seals are just stuck on top of each other). So I'm just curious if that's a goof on USPCC's part or some kind of extra something for a card trick? I guess if it's a goof, at least it's a good way to tell first print run from future print runs.
 

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« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2014, 05:10:40 AM »
 

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Anyone on the board pick these up? Mine finally arrived today and I noticed that every single deck I have ended up having two seals (like the seals are just stuck on top of each other). So I'm just curious if that's a goof on USPCC's part or some kind of extra something for a card trick? I guess if it's a goof, at least it's a good way to tell first print run from future print runs.

Probably an accident on USPC's part.  Are the stickers identical?  If they aren't, it wouldn't be the first time the company put the wrong sticker in place and just put another on top of it to cover the error.
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« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2014, 10:03:22 AM »
 

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Anyone on the board pick these up? Mine finally arrived today and I noticed that every single deck I have ended up having two seals (like the seals are just stuck on top of each other). So I'm just curious if that's a goof on USPCC's part or some kind of extra something for a card trick? I guess if it's a goof, at least it's a good way to tell first print run from future print runs.

Probably an accident on USPC's part.  Are the stickers identical?  If they aren't, it wouldn't be the first time the company put the wrong sticker in place and just put another on top of it to cover the error.

Yep, all of the stickers are identical. I ended up picking up half a brick, which I know is nothing in a big print of thousands, but just thought it was odd that all of them had double stickers on top of each other. Anyone else's Bordered Dealers have that?
 

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« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2014, 12:40:36 AM »
 

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anyone know about Daniel Madison's secret store? I was pursuing the web and had left my developer window open. Not much there just some books.

Well, I would do one of two things under the circumstances:

1) share the secret, or

2) keep the secret!

I'd be curious about the books there - are they present stock or are they older titles and out of print, only accessible from this secret location (as if anything could be kept secret on the Internet)...

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Madison Said--- printed autographed book.. its a bunch of random things he has thought.  30.00
How to Cheat at Cards by Daniel Madison - Printed and Autographed Book          50.00
3.    The Advocate by Daniel Madison - Printed and Autographed Book          50.00
4.    The Expert at the Card Table by S. W. Erdnase - Madison Edition.          25.00
5.    Madison Card Clip + 1st Edition, Signed, Scarlet Rounders, blue rounders or players  (scarlet dealers sold out) only 15 of each made--- 100
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Hey folks

I was going through my collection and wanted to know, are the Black v2 Dealers the rarest of Madison Decks? If I remember the promotion correctly when I first recieved the Black v2, I had to spend $150 through Ellusionist to get one. I have not seen a promotion since making this deck available. Your thoughts and opinions?
 

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The Black V2 Dealers are relatively easy to get hold of on eBay these days -- and even the price isn't as high as it is for other Madison limited edition decks.

The Orange Hustlers are probably the easiest and cheapest of all Madison Limited Editions, and after that is probably the red V1 Dealers and the Black V2 Dealers.

These days I'd say that the toughest (released decks) to find are the V1 red Rounders (not the recent private reserve rounders), and the blue rounders. When they are found, the price tag is pretty high!
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« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2015, 05:43:56 AM »
 

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The Black V2 Dealers are relatively easy to get hold of on eBay these days -- and even the price isn't as high as it is for other Madison limited edition decks.

The Orange Hustlers are probably the easiest and cheapest of all Madison Limited Editions, and after that is probably the red V1 Dealers and the Black V2 Dealers.

These days I'd say that the toughest (released decks) to find are the V1 red Rounders (not the recent private reserve rounders), and the blue rounders. When they are found, the price tag is pretty high!

Yea. I figured the original limited Rounders (scarlet & blue) would fetch more. Isn't that usually the way!? I checked on eBay. Sometimes rareness does not equal price. I was basing my question on availability. Yes, I see the v2 Dealers are easier to obtain also.

I wonder how so many more have the v2 Dealers then the limited rounders? Was there another Elusionist promotion I'm not recalling? Could so many have taken advantage of the $150 promotion?
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The Black V2 Dealers are relatively easy to get hold of on eBay these days -- and even the price isn't as high as it is for other Madison limited edition decks.

The Orange Hustlers are probably the easiest and cheapest of all Madison Limited Editions, and after that is probably the red V1 Dealers and the Black V2 Dealers.

These days I'd say that the toughest (released decks) to find are the V1 red Rounders (not the recent private reserve rounders), and the blue rounders. When they are found, the price tag is pretty high!

Yea. I figured the original limited Rounders (scarlet & blue) would fetch more. Isn't that usually the way!? I checked on eBay. Sometimes rareness does not equal price. I was basing my question on availability. Yes, I see the v2 Dealers are easier to obtain also.

I wonder how so many more have the v2 Dealers then the limited rounders? Was there another Elusionist promotion I'm not recalling? Could so many have taken advantage of the $150 promotion?

I wonder how the hell you can keep track of all the different but too-similar names of all the Madison decks without some kind of scorecard...
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« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2015, 11:12:45 AM »
 

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The Black V2 Dealers are relatively easy to get hold of on eBay these days -- and even the price isn't as high as it is for other Madison limited edition decks.

The Orange Hustlers are probably the easiest and cheapest of all Madison Limited Editions, and after that is probably the red V1 Dealers and the Black V2 Dealers.

These days I'd say that the toughest (released decks) to find are the V1 red Rounders (not the recent private reserve rounders), and the blue rounders. When they are found, the price tag is pretty high!

Yea. I figured the original limited Rounders (scarlet & blue) would fetch more. Isn't that usually the way!? I checked on eBay. Sometimes rareness does not equal price. I was basing my question on availability. Yes, I see the v2 Dealers are easier to obtain also.

I wonder how so many more have the v2 Dealers then the limited rounders? Was there another Elusionist promotion I'm not recalling? Could so many have taken advantage of the $150 promotion?

I wonder how the hell you can keep track of all the different but too-similar names of all the Madison decks without some kind of scorecard...

Haha 😂 Well, I stopped before Hustlers. So it's not that difficult. It's either Players, Rounders or Dealers.

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« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2015, 04:01:23 PM »
 

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Haha 😂 Well, I stopped before Hustlers. So it's not that difficult. It's either Players, Rounders or Dealers.

Madison's brand was golden before Hustlers.

I drew the line at Expectorators.  Or was it Masticators?  No, wait - it was Madison's Osculators!

...and when Madison's Micturaters come out, I quit magic and become a monk...
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Re: [NEW] Madison Dealers V2 Scarlet & Black w/ Borders
« Reply #69 on: August 08, 2015, 11:27:59 PM »
 

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Haha 😂 Well, I stopped before Hustlers. So it's not that difficult. It's either Players, Rounders or Dealers.

Madison's brand was golden before Hustlers.

I drew the line at Expectorators.  Or was it Masticators?  No, wait - it was Madison's Osculators!

...and when Madison's Micturaters come out, I quit magic and become a monk...

"Boycotters" (Don Boyer) Deck sounds interesting.
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