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« on: February 14, 2015, 09:59:18 PM »
 

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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2015, 04:38:46 AM »
 

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Are you sure?  When I last spoke with them, they were done with cards, or at least with their own card projects.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2015, 05:36:02 AM »
 

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Are you sure?  When I last spoke with them, they were done with cards, or at least with their own card projects.

This is Tarot I believe.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 06:28:46 AM »
 

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Are you sure?  When I last spoke with them, they were done with cards, or at least with their own card projects.

This is Tarot I believe.

OOooooooooh.  Now that makes more sense to me...

I really have to give those two a call - maybe later today...
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2015, 07:22:10 AM »
 

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Are you sure?  When I last spoke with them, they were done with cards, or at least with their own card projects.

This is Tarot I believe.

I really have to give those two a call - maybe later today...

And don't forget to mention that a poker deck as a stretch goal can be something nice ;)


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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2015, 02:42:28 AM »
 

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Are you sure?  When I last spoke with them, they were done with cards, or at least with their own card projects.

This is Tarot I believe.

I really have to give those two a call - maybe later today...

And don't forget to mention that a poker deck as a stretch goal can be something nice ;)

Yeah...I've talked with them about it.  They might do other card-related projects, but they're done with making their own designs for poker-sized decks.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2015, 04:35:24 PM »
 

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Uusi's 7th poker deck 'BRuT' will be a limited edition companion deck to their BRuT Tarot deck. I knew they weren't going to stop at 6.

Project will go live this Saturday at 0800PDT

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2015, 09:27:17 PM »
 

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Uusi's 7th poker deck 'BRuT' will be a limited edition companion deck to their BRuT Tarot deck. I knew they weren't going to stop at 6.

Project will go live this Saturday at 0800PST

Justin - you're trying to tell us they're going to release a deck at six in the morning on a Saturday in their time zone?

(And we're on Daylight Time right now, not Standard, so no PST - it's PDT.)
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2015, 10:46:27 PM »
 

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(And we're on Daylight Time right now, not Standard, so no PST - it's PDT.)

Corrected the timezone, didn't even think about it when I typed it.

Project will go live this Saturday at 0800PST
Justin - you're trying to tell us they're going to release a deck at six in the morning on a Saturday in their time zone?

What is their time zone? If they are anywhere east of the the west coast it isn't going to be any earlier than 8..?
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2015, 01:57:09 AM »
 

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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2015, 11:51:57 AM »
 

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(And we're on Daylight Time right now, not Standard, so no PST - it's PDT.)

Corrected the timezone, didn't even think about it when I typed it.

Project will go live this Saturday at 0800PST
Justin - you're trying to tell us they're going to release a deck at six in the morning on a Saturday in their time zone?

What is their time zone? If they are anywhere east of the the west coast it isn't going to be any earlier than 8..?

Actually, my math was off.  They're in Chicago, Central time zone, so it's 10:00 CDT, 11:00 EDT (New York) and 15:00 UTC.  I got word from Linnea about it this morning.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2015, 12:24:20 PM »
 

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Love the art direction this deck has gone, reminds me of something you might see come from a high end department store or fashion designer, which I absolutely love. Can't wait to see more.

Actually, my math was off.  They're in Chicago, Central time zone, so it's 10:00 CDT, 11:00 EDT (New York) and 15:00 UTC.  I got word from Linnea about it this morning.

No worries, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't way off and then miss the project opening.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2015, 10:28:37 PM »
 

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2015, 05:46:52 PM »
 

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incredible...uusi and dead on paper are the two projects I go all-in on. 

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2015, 11:29:10 PM »
 

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No Question about it, I completely agree with you.
Uusi definitely has a unique style which you don't find easily.

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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2015, 11:57:07 PM »
 

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I think this will be a breakthrough project for them - it's their first "non-poker" deck!  There's an entirely different audience that goes after tarot decks and there will be a lot more interest in this project than you'd normally expect to see from an Uusi design.  I predict this will be a very huge hit when the dust settles, possibly their biggest.
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2015, 12:04:00 AM »
 

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Hmm actually with by releasing the Tarot deck and poker deck at the same time, made me think a little.
I finally decided to get the Tarot deck as well just as part of the collection for this design.
I am pretty sure a lot of us think the same way as well. It will be a pity if we get the poker deck but not the tarot deck.
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2015, 03:25:00 AM »
 

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I think this will be a breakthrough project for them - it's their first "non-poker" deck!  There's an entirely different audience that goes after tarot decks and there will be a lot more interest in this project than you'd normally expect to see from an Uusi design.  I predict this will be a very huge hit when the dust settles, possibly their biggest.

Don, I'm not too familiar with Tarot decks, but other than fortune telling, are there certain card games that can be played with the deck?

I pledge almost anything from UUSI (7/8) thus far and I really enjoyed the different decks they put out so far. And the redwood items are really amazing to own.  :D
 

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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2015, 05:26:43 AM »
 

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I think this will be a breakthrough project for them - it's their first "non-poker" deck!  There's an entirely different audience that goes after tarot decks and there will be a lot more interest in this project than you'd normally expect to see from an Uusi design.  I predict this will be a very huge hit when the dust settles, possibly their biggest.

Don, I'm not too familiar with Tarot decks, but other than fortune telling, are there certain card games that can be played with the deck?

I pledge almost anything from UUSI (7/8) thus far and I really enjoyed the different decks they put out so far. And the redwood items are really amazing to own.  :D

The French play a card game called "tarot" that uses a deck basically identical to the cartomancy deck, with the exception that the artwork is different and that the "trump suit" (the Major Arcana in a cartomancy deck) doesn't have names for the cards, just numbers.  It's a trick-taking game, to the best of my knowledge - similar in some ways to spades or hearts.  The French game deck also doesn't usually have art for the "spot cards" - the non-court cards of the Minor Arcana - beyond the basic pip layouts we all recognize today as the International Standard, albeit in a larger format.

It's believed by some historians that the 52-card deck predated the 78-card deck - something I'm inclined to agree with, considering the cost of playing cards before mass production.  Many historians also believe that playing cards were used for playing much earlier than they were for cartomancy.  But there are arguments to the contrary as well.  To my knowledge, the earliest uses for cartomancy weren't until sometime just before the European Renaissance (circa 15th century CE), while playing cards themselves in some form or another may go back as far as 9th-century CE China.
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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2015, 11:10:53 AM »
 

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John McLeod has a page dedicated to Tarot games on Pagat.com. Nearly all European countries had the basic tarot game (a point-trick game) with their own tarot decks. From my research, I've found that the use of the tarot deck for games came much earlier than it did for cartomancy. The major arcana was just a 5th suit used as a permanent trump suit in early decks.

My first tarot deck was actually the one that came with the video game "Dishonest", even though I was interested in them before that, and it came with rules to play a game called "Nancy". It's a totally custom deck with custom Major and Minor Arcana and 4 suits based on the game.
 

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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2015, 12:10:31 PM »
 

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I don't really collect Tarot decks, I only have a few, but I really like the idea of a hand gilded Tarot deck, if I had a little extra free cash on hand I would definitely get one, but I can only imagine how gorgeous it will be for those who get it. I thnk that would be a really wonderful touch for people that use them spiritually more than as a games deck.

From my research, I've found that the use of the tarot deck for games came much earlier than it did for cartomancy.

All of the research I've done seems to point to Tarot decks originating as playing cards as well, with the spiritual aspect appearing much later. But nothing I have found on the subject has been definitive.

My first tarot deck was actually the one that came with the video game "Dishonest"

Mine as well =D I grew up with my mom doing simple Tarot readings for herself as an introspective activity and have always really liked Tarot, but didn't add one to my collection of playing cards until I saw the Dishonored deck and was a fan of the game so I figured 'why not'. I now have three or four Tarot decks, I'm not interested in collecting them seriously like poker decks, but I like picking up the occasional deck.
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2015, 12:52:43 PM »
 

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Don, I'm not too familiar with Tarot decks, but other than fortune telling, are there certain card games that can be played with the deck?

I play tarot... on my computer! Tarot is a very important game in the history of card games. Basically every game that uses trumps owes its existence to tarot. Tarot is not one game but many and Hungarian tarokk is often considered the pinnacle of tarot games but I may be biased. There are tournaments here is Budapest but there are more tournaments in France where French tarot is the second most popular card game.

You can download some tarot games here and here.

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2015, 05:58:38 PM »
 

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Don did you pledge for a gilded deck?  I missed out on the gold gilded so I'm reluctantly on the copper gilded reward tier.

Anyways if anyone backs out of their gold gilded deck pledge, lemme know before hand :)
 

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Anyways if anyone backs out of their gold gilded deck pledge, lemme know before hand :)

There's still 6 left of the 24k gold tarot deck...

Where you specifically looking for a poker deck?
 

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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2015, 11:41:21 AM »
 

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Don did you pledge for a gilded deck?  I missed out on the gold gilded so I'm reluctantly on the copper gilded reward tier.

Anyways if anyone backs out of their gold gilded deck pledge, lemme know before hand :)

Hey - the copper gilding is a lot more uncommon!  It might retain its value better in the aftermarket.  While the numbers between gold and copper exist in the same amounts for this project, I've never seen any other project with copper gilding, while gold and silver have been used elsewhere.
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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2015, 12:23:04 PM »
 

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and its applied by hand, not sprayed. seems to be a neat piece of a handcrafted deck
 

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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2015, 10:45:44 PM »
 

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Yeah i'm curious to see what the copper looks like.  In December I'm supposed to get the arcana gilded decks which are supposedly using palladium.  Don't know too much about palladium :)
 

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Yeah i'm curious to see what the copper looks like.  In December I'm supposed to get the arcana gilded decks which are supposedly using palladium.  Don't know too much about palladium :)

Palladium is a rare, silver-white metal in the platinum family, the least-dense of that family and has the lowest melting point.  Like platinum, its most popular use is as a component in catalytic converters for chemically altering harmful gasses into more environmentally-friendly ones.  Its second-most popular use is in electronics, where it's used by itself or alloyed with silver or nickel for electrodes and electrode plating.  It is only recently being used more frequently in jewelry due to recent price increases in gold and platinum and technological advances in casting the metal.  Nearly all the world's supply comes from two nations, Russia (44%) and South Africa (40%), while the US and Canada nearly equally produce a combined total of about 11% of the world's supply.

Below is an image of a palladium crystal 1.0 by 0.5 cm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium
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I didn't know Death liked to wear pantyhose.

Stockings and cape were de rigueur for the well-dressed man (and wraith) a few centuries ago in Europe...
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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2015, 09:33:20 AM »
 

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Uusi has copper guilded Pagan decks as well which are still available on their website
 

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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2015, 07:37:18 PM »
 

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I've been looking into gilding some decks myself just to see how they come out...it's not TOO expensive a hobby to get into, especially if you're ordering imitation gold/silver as opposed to the real stuff.  Figured I would practice a couple on some cheap Walgreens/walmart decks and then if I get good, I'll put some of the real stuff on the decks I like the most.  From what I've read up on so far, it isn't too labor intensive either.

So, Uusi is charging the same for their copper and gold gilded decks...however a book (25 sheets) of 24k gold is apx. 50 bux against the same quantity of copper which is only 10.  I guess when you're creating them that exclusively you can charge more so I won't complain.  Not to mention they are putting more work into those decks.  Still, the prospect of gilding my own decks is probably enough to convince me to refrain from ever purchasing another gilded deck.

Has anyone here attempted to leaf-gild some decks?  How did it go?
 

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I've been looking into gilding some decks myself just to see how they come out...it's not TOO expensive a hobby to get into, especially if you're ordering imitation gold/silver as opposed to the real stuff.  Figured I would practice a couple on some cheap Walgreens/walmart decks and then if I get good, I'll put some of the real stuff on the decks I like the most.  From what I've read up on so far, it isn't too labor intensive either.

So, Uusi is charging the same for their copper and gold gilded decks...however a book (25 sheets) of 24k gold is apx. 50 bux against the same quantity of copper which is only 10.  I guess when you're creating them that exclusively you can charge more so I won't complain.  Not to mention they are putting more work into those decks.  Still, the prospect of gilding my own decks is probably enough to convince me to refrain from ever purchasing another gilded deck.

Has anyone here attempted to leaf-gild some decks?  How did it go?

Gilding is not simply a skill - it's an art.  I've never attempted it myself, but there's so many ways it can go wrong.  If it's even slightly like the process of "painting" the edge of a deck, it's easy to do poorly, a lot less easy to do well.  I've used a marker to color the edges of a black deck black - it's messy, the ink will transfer for a while and the deck's performance takes a hit.  Done well, it looks great.  Done poorly, it looks like crap.  Doing it to a white-edged deck is NOT recommended, because the odds of it looking like crap are many times greater.

I can only imagine how many decks Uusi went through before they got the gilding process down so well, they were able to offer it commercially.  And even with that practice, the quantities are limited not just because "limited is better," but because it's not an easy thing to do.  They charge what they charge not simply because of the cost of the materials, but because the entire process isn't easy.  They're likely charging the same for copper and gold decks because they're using the lower cost of the copper to subsidize the higher cost of the gold in the very small number of decks they offer with this process.

Painted gilding - using a liquid paint instead of metallic leaf - isn't a walk in the park, either.  That's the type of gilding USPC offers, and they won't do it unless you're making a huge order of non-gilded decks.  They STILL have to apply the gilding by hand.  But the painted gilding won't hold up as well over time and use and won't look as good.

I think this sums it up nicely: if gilding was cheap and easy, there'd be a lot more gilded decks out there.  If you're going to attempt it, make sure you get the right glue and use the cheapest metal leaf you can find - or make your own, if you want to pound some aluminum foil with a large mallet for a while...  Don't use the good stuff until you know you have the process down and can do it well.
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Re: BRuT by Uusi
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2015, 03:51:08 AM »
 

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So, Uusi is charging the same for their copper and gold gilded decks...however a book (25 sheets) of 24k gold is apx. 50 bux against the same quantity of copper which is only 10.  I guess when you're creating them that exclusively you can charge more so I won't complain.  Not to mention they are putting more work into those decks.  Still, the prospect of gilding my own decks is probably enough to convince me to refrain from ever purchasing another gilded deck.


I have to agree with Don on this. The labor has more to do with the price than the material. Think about it this way. It shouldn't take more than 2 sheets per deck, so the gold would be about $4 per deck, and the copper would be about $0.80 per deck. That's not a huge difference when your charging $90 for the gilding.
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Re: BRuT by Uusi
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2015, 06:04:23 AM »
 

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fair enough...

I'm still confident I can learn it myself and save money on labor :)  I'll post some pictures after my first feeble attempts.

To get back on topic though, this is shaping up to be another uusi labor of love.  Makes me wish I was around at the beginning of the other projects.
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Re: BRuT by Uusi
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2015, 02:08:15 PM »
 

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fair enough...

I'm still confident I can learn it myself and save money on labor :)  I'll post some pictures after my first feeble attempts.

To get back on topic though, this is shaping up to be another uusi labor of love.  Makes me wish I was around at the beginning of the other projects.

Well, the list of playing card works by Uusi is still manageably short.  Most of the decks are in circulation and not too difficult to obtain, the major exceptions being the first deck (Blue Blood).

Complete list, in chrono order.  * indicates unlimited edition deck; doesn't include gilded decks:
Blue Blood
Bohemia (red)
Bohemia (blue)*
Royal Optik (black)
Royal Optik (red)*
Blueblood Redux
Pagan (dark)
Pagan (light)*
Hotcakes (black)
Hotcakes (red)*
Classic (red)
Classic (blue)*
BRuT Poker
BRuT Tarot*

Total of eight deck design "families" - seven if you count Blueblood Redux as part of Blue Blood.

The unlimited decks are still "sort of limited" in that there's been only one print run, in some cases shorter than the LE print run.  But the unlimited decks MAY be reprinted at some future time, while the LE decks will never be reprinted.  Uusi reserves the option to reprint unlimited decks - hence, that's why they're unlimited.
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Re: BRuT by Uusi
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2015, 05:23:54 AM »
 

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fair enough...

I'm still confident I can learn it myself and save money on labor :)  I'll post some pictures after my first feeble attempts.

To get back on topic though, this is shaping up to be another uusi labor of love.  Makes me wish I was around at the beginning of the other projects.

Where do you learn how to gild the deck?

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Re: BRuT by Uusi
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2015, 06:15:29 AM »
 

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books, online resources, trial and error...we'll see how it goes :)
 

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I bought Metal Leaf Kits and try it, and It was a complete failure...
I don't think its easy, now I can appreciate more what UUSI is doing.
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Re: BRuT by Uusi
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2015, 11:26:28 PM »
 

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Re: BRuT by Uusi
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2015, 11:29:30 PM »
 

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I'm really considering dropping my gilded box & deck pledge (275) for just the gilded deck (165). Somebody convince me that the gilded box is worth $110. I mean, it looks fucking awesome, but that $110 could be spent towards getting more decks...
 

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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2015, 12:48:38 AM »
 

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I'm really considering dropping my gilded box & deck pledge (275) for just the gilded deck (165). Somebody convince me that the gilded box is worth $110. I mean, it looks fucking awesome, but that $110 could be spent towards getting more decks...

Dude, have you ever seen one of Peter Dunham's wooden creations?  They're masterfully done.  We're not talking about IKEA specials here - we're talking legit, high-end, furniture-grade pieces of art.  I own one of their gorgeous redwood swivel cases, made from the planks of dismantled antique wooden water towers that are over 100 years old!  The wood itself is older than that by far, from trees that are at least 300 years old.  The boxes alone often cost twice as much as what they ask for them in a Kickstarter project, if not more.

Have you ever owned ANYTHING that was three centuries in the making?  :))  Let me know if you drop that pledge - I might have some mad money lying around!
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Re: BRuT by Uusi
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2015, 05:09:45 AM »
 

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Double,

You could downgrade and still get the wood case for that 175 pledge...you'll just be getting a copper poker deck instead of a gold tarot deck. 

So, since day one I have checked at least once a day for someone to drop a gold poker deck but noone has budged.  I have been on the copper poker deck for a while and I'm hoping someone backs out last minute on a gold poker deck so i can snatch it.
 

Re: BRuT by Uusi
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2015, 03:53:34 PM »
 

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well, i kept my gold tarot + box pledge. added some decks too. dropped more on this campaign than like the last 6 playing card campaigns I pledged to. But I think it'll be worth it