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I am fortunate enough to be the new owner of a salesman sample of early 1900 Bee Playing Card Backs.  Although this is a new acquisition, I thought it important for everyone who doesn't frequent that page to see the artistry and intricacy that went into making these backs… I've been searching years for these decks and this is the first time I have ever seen them for sale / auction… I can only imagine that the Two of Hearts was glued backwards and is an error in the sample… Enjoy and hope you get as much joy looking at them as I have…  Please see closeups of the cards in the next post due to image constraints...
 

 

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Closeups of the individual cards and back descriptions...
 

 

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Wow jmrock, that is a fantastic piece. I've only seen one of those go up for auction, and I think it was a Bicycle one. You are one lucky guy. You mind sharing what something like this would fetch at auction?

Back No. 154 looks like the recently released Bicycle Leaf Back decks or the WWII Patriotic decks.
 

 

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It was actually the exact design as the Bicycle Leaf Back introduced in 1947… It was also the same back used in the Uncle Sam 'Tax Free' Stamp decks released during WWII…
 

 

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Absolutely amazing. Some of those backs have most likely never been printed on an actual deck. I'm sure this is something even USPCC would like to have, had they known or cared to look for one. I never knew something like this existed. It makes sense now that it does. That's how business was done then.
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Geez, that's amazing, not just for what it is but for the condition it's in.  Congratulations and thanks for sharing!
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Thanks so much for showing these off. They're really amazing and I'm having a hard time deciding which backs I wish would get reprinted. No 203, 200, 181 and 148 would be great to see again. As much as I know Bees are casino back decks, I'd love to see the 181 bee back with a Bee deck (Ace of Spade and Jokers from a Bee deck).
 

 

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Wow! Thanks for sharing.  The more I look at vintage backs the more I'm falling in love with them.  So can someone post a picture of the Grade no 92 Bee. Back No 178.  Or are we going to try to convince him to use so kind of heat to free that 2oH to see the back of the card.  just kidding...
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Fantastic! You've given me the exact name to an old Bee design I have been researching. I have been asking around for the name, but it's now staring me in the face -- thanks to you.

On a side note, 52 Plus Joker secretary Steve Bowling owns a few of these amazing fold-out sample pamphlets. He had them on display at his booth at this past 52+ convention.

Once again, thank you for sharing! #MysterySolved

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Those are just fantastic, Gratz on your acquisition. As everyone else said, thank you for sharing, gives us all, I'm sure, a point of reference on some of these back designs.
............not to mention a shout out from Lee Asher  :D

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Not to diminish the shout outs from all the forum members, but without sounding melodramatic, I'm honored that I've helped Asher in his quest for playing card knowledge… I've been bidding big uncomfortable numbers on the bicycle salesmen samples the past month or so, but they just sky-rocketed far out of the realm of reality for me, at this time… I feel blessed to have picked this up… I have a special fondness for Bee & Tally Ho…
 

 

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Absolutely amazing. Some of those backs have most likely never been printed on an actual deck. I'm sure this is something even USPCC would like to have, had they known or cared to look for one. I never knew something like this existed. It makes sense now that it does. That's how business was done then.

Actually, I saw samples like this with Lee at Tom Dawson's house in Toronto.  They're all backs that were printed - salesmen took these sample kits and similar, larger sample books around store to store to show to shop owners, allowing them to see what they'd be buying before placing a wholesale order for their shop's inventory.  They're incredibly cool and exceptionally hard to find since they were never intended for public release.

And yes, JM, he's got a nice one with Tally Ho backs on it!  (At least he did when I visited.)  It's very surprising the number of backs that used to exist for USPC's various product lines, and not just Bicycle.
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A friend emailed me and stated that he thought the two of hearts, which states Grade No. 92 Bee, Back No. 178 may have been placed upside down in error… Any thoughts from the new owner / aficionado? Thanks… J.
 

 

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Maybe all the cards in that deck had twos of hearts on them. Like a double face deck. Which could get quite confusing.

OR it was put in backwards. Just rip it off and let's find out  ;)
 

 

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Not to diminish the shout outs from all the forum members, but without sounding melodramatic, I'm honored that I've helped Asher in his quest for playing card knowledge…

The honor is all mine! Again, thank you for sharing with everyone. Hopefully others doing research will find these images useful.
 

 

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Not to diminish the shout outs from all the forum members, but without sounding melodramatic, I'm honored that I've helped Asher in his quest for playing card knowledge… I've been bidding big uncomfortable numbers on the bicycle salesmen samples the past month or so, but they just sky-rocketed far out of the realm of reality for me, at this time… I feel blessed to have picked this up… I have a special fondness for Bee & Tally Ho…

Hi JMRock
Really neat piece. NYCC did a series of these c1900-10 for a variety of their brands. We have one set with "Bee", "Hart's Crown", "Squeezers", "Steamboats" and "Triton" . Samples are one of the pieces of playing card ephemera that Judy and I love - and we've been fortunate to acquire quite a few over 30 or so years. From my perspective they are well worth paying 'out of the realm' if you can handle it because they are pretty scarce, slowly [or sky-rocketing] up in value and a wonderful part of the history of the earlier makers.

The Heart 2 was undoubtedly put in correctly - we have found that they normally have cards placed the other way so you can see what a pip, or court, is like. See scan below for an example of turned card from a USPC sample book.

Maybe we should set up a topic, or sub-topic, where queries, comments and information about some of the vintage and antique cards can be placed. Will sure help me find them for answering!

What do you readers think?
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I think a vintage/antique section would be really helpful. It can be difficult to find information when you have to sift through the modern deck topics.
 

 

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Interesting name 10ofClubs. Over the years we've had three old, valuable decks in mint condition missing the 10 of Clubs. Maybe you have those cards!!

Glad you like the idea. Makes sense to us. We'll work with Don to figure out best way forward.
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Absolutely amazing. Some of those backs have most likely never been printed on an actual deck. I'm sure this is something even USPCC would like to have, had they known or cared to look for one. I never knew something like this existed. It makes sense now that it does. That's how business was done then.

Actually, I saw samples like this with Lee at Tom Dawson's house in Toronto.  They're all backs that were printed - salesmen took these sample kits and similar, larger sample books around store to store to show to shop owners, allowing them to see what they'd be buying before placing a wholesale order for their shop's inventory.  They're incredibly cool and exceptionally hard to find since they were never intended for public release.

And yes, JM, he's got a nice one with Tally Ho backs on it!  (At least he did when I visited.)  It's very surprising the number of backs that used to exist for USPC's various product lines, and not just Bicycle.

You'd all be surprised at the number of different Bee backs. Somewhere I have a pretty complete compilation with pictures that a good friend, Jack Ferrell, sent me some years ago. When I can put my hands on it I'll post it up here. And I am quite sure all the backs in these sample books and folders were used for produced decks.
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You'd all be surprised at the number of different Bee backs. Somewhere I have a pretty complete compilation with pictures that a good friend, Jack Ferrell, sent me some years ago. When I can put my hands on it I'll post it up here. And I am quite sure all the backs in these sample books and folders were used for produced decks.

I wouldn't be the least surprised - you showed them to me!

We've love to have those images as part of the knowledge base here.
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Wow thanks for sharing!  That is really neat! 
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It was actually the exact design as the Bicycle Leaf Back introduced in 1947… It was also the same back used in the Uncle Sam 'Tax Free' Stamp decks released during WWII…

Just for reference, here are some new leaf backs I purchased last Christmas. 
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Tom… Thanks for clearing that up…  It's so nice to have you here to share your extensive knowledge…
 

 

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A friend emailed me and stated that he thought the two of hearts, which states Grade No. 92 Bee, Back No. 178 may have been placed upside down in error… Any thoughts from the new owner / aficionado? Thanks… J.

I have quite a few of these sample folders from NYCC and I believe that a reversed card was meant to show the faces and also when they did that at a specific position, like back 178, it might mean that back was out of print or no longer offered. Just a theory and more research would be necessary to determine if their purpose was as calculated as that. But I can state that these sample sets do change considerably in what is offered for sale and reversed cards are often on them.
 

 

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Having gotten curious about back 178 I checked my set like this and it has back 178 reversed and mine shows the 2 of diamonds. In going through some papers from Jack Farrell I have photo copies of his sample folder and his no. 178 is also reversed and shows the 7 of diamonds. Now it's clear that this was intentional and leads to the question, what was Bee back 178??



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That is a good question. I'll take a look around but not optimistic I'll find the answer.
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Having gotten curious about back 178 I checked my set like this and it has back 178 reversed and mine shows the 2 of diamonds. In going through some papers from Jack Farrell I have photo copies of his sample folder and his no. 178 is also reversed and shows the 7 of diamonds. Now it's clear that this was intentional and leads to the question, what was Bee back 178??

Your theory about the back being sold out sounds very plausible, especially with the same back being excluded from a few sample books as opposed to just one.

Just how thoroughly glued in are those cards?  it might be possible to steam one a little, just enough for a peek at the back - but it's a helluva risk to the sample book.

I believe one would need to find older sample books to have a shot at seeing that back.  Either that, or the design was for some unknown reason pulled at the last minute, after the sample book was printed but before the insertion of the samples, which is why it was replaced with face-up cards in the various sample books.  There's a chance, though slim, that the back might even appear in advertising of the same period.  I don't supposed USPC created something akin to a mail-order catalog that had pictures of the backs rather than actual samples?  The missing back might appear in such a thing, if it exists.
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I believe one would need to find older sample books to have a shot at seeing that back.  Either that, or the design was for some unknown reason pulled at the last minute, after the sample book was printed but before the insertion of the samples, which is why it was replaced with face-up cards in the various sample books.  There's a chance, though slim, that the back might even appear in advertising of the same period.  I don't supposed USPC created something akin to a mail-order catalog that had pictures of the backs rather than actual samples?  The missing back might appear in such a thing, if it exists.


On further research I can find no image or other reference to the Bee 178 back. My theory is the same as yours. Either the Sample folders are misprinted and this was how they fixed it or they had 178 in development and pulled it after the folders were produced. All the folders from NYCC that I've seen are from this same era and NYCC did samples differently at other times.
Presently back 178 is a phantom.
I'm not sure about USPCC but NYCC did issue some catalogs but none that I have show back 178.

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I believe one would need to find older sample books to have a shot at seeing that back.  Either that, or the design was for some unknown reason pulled at the last minute, after the sample book was printed but before the insertion of the samples, which is why it was replaced with face-up cards in the various sample books.  There's a chance, though slim, that the back might even appear in advertising of the same period.  I don't supposed USPC created something akin to a mail-order catalog that had pictures of the backs rather than actual samples?  The missing back might appear in such a thing, if it exists.



On further research I can find no image or other reference to the Bee 178 back. My theory is the same as yours. Either the Sample folders are misprinted and this was how they fixed it or they had 178 in development and pulled it after the folders were produced. All the folders from NYCC that I've seen are from this same era and NYCC did samples differently at other times.
Presently back 178 is a phantom.
I'm not sure about USPCC but NYCC did issue some catalogs but none that I have show back 178.

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We have some price lists with pictures - will try and put my hands on them tomorrow and see, if by any chance, I can find #178
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I'm not sure about USPCC but NYCC did issue some catalogs but none that I have show back 178.

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I'm too used to thinking that USPC makes everything...  :))
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I would literally give my right arm to anyone that provide me scans of these backs and other NYC backs. These backs are what I've been searching for, for a basis for my Kings wild signature series. Any body please help.
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I would literally give my right arm to anyone that provide me scans of these backs and other NYC backs. These backs are what I've been searching for, for a basis for my Kings wild signature series. Any body please help.

Hi Jackson,
You send the arm and I'll send the scans!! Actually better keep the arm attached but just sign it over to me ;)
You will see all the NYCC backs and much more very soon my friend.
Happy New Year.

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I would literally give my right arm to anyone that provide me scans of these backs and other NYC backs. These backs are what I've been searching for, for a basis for my Kings wild signature series. Any body please help.

I got your back Jackson… High Res Scans coming to a CPU near you soon…
 

 

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I think I'll have to establish a new rule: no trades in exchange for body parts...  :))

I look forward to seeing those backs as well.  I do get the feeling we're going to need a reference section soon enough.
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I look forward to seeing those backs as well.  I do get the feeling we're going to need a reference section soon enough.

Lee and I are meeting this morning to discuss this amongst other things and will be in touch later!
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I just picked up this NYCC Squeezer Sample Book from Steve Bowling. Very excited. These backs are amazing!!!









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Congrats, nice one. You will notice that when they show the faces they don't put them over a spot printed for a back design.
 

 

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I just picked up this NYCC Squeezer Sample Book from Steve Bowling. Very excited. These backs are amazing!!!
Jackson - that's a beaut - good for you and glad you think they are great.

Congrats, nice one. You will notice that when they show the faces they don't put them over a spot printed for a back design.

Bill - Impetus for the Conjuring Arts back project to really take off!
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Yes Tom, we can get started any time. We are definitely willing to use Ask Alexander as the search engine for it.

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Crown Back #189 looks AWFULLY familiar...

Sign into your Club 808 account, then click this link:

http://www.shopbicyclecards.com/Amber-Stag-Deck-P218C70.aspx

USPC released it recently as the Bicycle Amber Stag deck, a Club 808 exclusive!

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Dang it Don, you beat me to it. I thought the exact same thing when I first saw it. The weird part is, wasn't there a contest to choose the name for the deck when they only had sketches?
 

 

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Interesting they used the first Bicycle Ace & Joker - instead of the fancier second Ace. Don't like the back!
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Crown Back #189 looks AWFULLY familiar...

Sign into your Club 808 account, then click this link:

http://www.shopbicyclecards.com/Amber-Stag-Deck-P218C70.aspx

USPC released it recently as the Bicycle Amber Stag deck, a Club 808 exclusive!

I noticed that as well Don, almost immediately. All they did was change the original clock face to a cask.
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Interesting they used the first Bicycle Ace & Joker - instead of the fancier second Ace. Don't like the back!

When Karen was in charge of the brand they were hyper careful about not doing anything that could be seen as diluting their trademarks (i.e. printing variant Bicycle Rider backs, even if they had done so previously). They extended this mania to the point that they would not allow me to use the first Bee Ace of Spades because they reasoned it wasn't their current trademark so could dilute their rights.
They might have decided this Ace of Spades was safer than the prettier second state. According to those in the IP world their reasoning isn't completely rational but over-cautious.
Just my theory.

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Interesting they used the first Bicycle Ace & Joker - instead of the fancier second Ace. Don't like the back!

When Karen was in charge of the brand they were hyper careful about not doing anything that could be seen as diluting their trademarks (i.e. printing variant Bicycle Rider backs, even if they had done so previously). They extended this mania to the point that they would not allow me to use the first Bee Ace of Spades because they reasoned it wasn't their current trademark so could dilute their rights.
They might have decided this Ace of Spades was safer than the prettier second state. According to those in the IP world their reasoning isn't completely rational but over-cautious.
Just my theory.

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Honestly, I think their lawyers are simply freaking out over just how much of their intellectual property is in the public domain.
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You would think that the infusion of, for instance, the Bicycle brand in the mind of the common person would be a point of pride for them.  I understand if others were printing their trademarks but in the previous examples USPC is refusing to print it.  I don't think Kimberly-Clark gets upset when someone asks for a Kleenex.  Just seems counterproductive from a business perspective.
 

 

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You would think that the infusion of, for instance, the Bicycle brand in the mind of the common person would be a point of pride for them.  I understand if others were printing their trademarks but in the previous examples USPC is refusing to print it.  I don't think Kimberly-Clark gets upset when someone asks for a Kleenex.  Just seems counterproductive from a business perspective.

Well, yes and no, they wouldn't be upset.  They're tickled pink when someone asks for a Kleenex and gets a Kleenex.  They're less than thrilled when people think of Kleenex as a generic name for all tissues, which dilutes their trademark.

This, however, is different from name branding.  There's no denying that Bicycle is a brand name for playing cards and deserving of trademark protection.  The issue here is that Bicycle insists on sticking to its older back designs as their standards rather than making a new standard.  There's good reason for them to do so - it's a highly recognizable design, and magicians all over the world use the Rider Back.  Defending the Rider Back by not allowing dilution is a smart business move.

The problem is that USPC Legal appears to be going overboard, tossing out the baby with the bathwater.  They're seeing ALL of their old designs, realizing that the oldest ones are past copyright protection, and attempting to defend THEM as trademarks as well, in essence stretching the definition of trademark past the breaking point.  Case in point, they're no longer allowing Zenneth Kok to make the Coterie Bee deck, fearing dilution of trademark on the classic Bee Diamond Back design.  Crazier still, they think, in the case of the Erdnase 216 deck, that by allowing Bill Kalush to make a precise copy of an old Bee Ace of Spades, they would somehow be watering down the current Bee AoS as a trademark for the brand - despite the fact that it's THEIR OWN ACE OF SPADES he wants to put in its place.

Things like this make them paranoid, I think.  They've already lost one of their Automobile backs to the Rally Brand from US Games Systems due to lapsed copyright, they're fending off fly-by-night Chinese companies trying to make forged Bee decks, etc.  But it's simply unrealistic for them to think they can protect everything.  They're no better than the Disney Company - if it wasn't for their lobbying of Congress to extend copyright protection to its present length, "Steamboat Willie" and all the characters contained within would be in the public domain now, meaning Mickey Mouse, the company mascot, would be freely copyable in that form.

The original intent of copyright law was to allow the creator of a piece of intellectual property to gain some benefit from his or her original thought during their lifetime, but for the work to eventually become part of the common intellectual property of the people and culture from which the work originated.  It was actually meant to lapse within the artist's lifetime after he or she has had a reasonable amount of time to profit from the exclusive rights, back when copyrights were first created, and didn't start getting severely extended (and overextended by legal though questionable means) until companies started being declared as copyright holders rather than individuals.

I was never very comfortable with the doctrine of the company as a citizen, and this is the not even among the worst examples of its excesses.  How much further will be be from now when companies are given the right to vote for public officials?
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