Ellusionist also declared that the Madison Hustlers were the last in the Madison logo series... and then we had the Madison Revolvers!

Okay, T11 and Ellusionist are not one and the same... but still, it's tough to imagine T11 really doing the world a favour and sticking to their word by not releasing more Monarchs.

Anyway, my point was only meant to be as follows: I'm guessing that there will be a fair few that will regret blowing out money on Monarchs recolours, and leaving themselves nothing to be a deck like Chancellor that is superior to Monarchs in every way possible.

Over here in the UK £6.99 (and definitely £6.49) is about as good a deal as you can get for a custom deck of cards -- and when it's an LPCC or EPCC deck, the whole deal becomes even better.

Paul, I've seen the preorder page for the LUXX Elliptica over at JPPlayingCards, and it looks cool so far. Do you have any plans to put up a pre-order page for split bricks, just like you did with the previous LUXX releases?

The price has indeed gone up... but if you live outside the US, and you're ordering a relatively low number of decks, it would still work out a lot cheaper.

I got myself in for a brick of the regular decks, and 3 of the reserve decks.

The reserve decks are now sold out... and so that means that out of the 1000 that were made, 250 are gone (100 last time, and 150 this time). If CARC keep around 200 for their own private reserve, then only 550 will remain for general sale... which really isn't a lot (for a deck which seems to sell pretty fast).

Resellers will likely jump on them, and 550 will probably be gone in a week or less. If anybody wants a reserve deck and they missed it this time also, then they really will need to act on CARC's e-mails pretty fast next time, otherwise they'll have to sell an organ to pick up a reserve deck on eBay.

Quote from: HolyJJ on January 07, 2016, 05:51:54 AM

Personally, I would have liked the cards to still be a little stiffer... but hey, I can't complain -- I'm just glad that this card stock exists!

STIFFER?!?  What are you, a masochist? 

Lol.

No masochistic stuff from me brother, honestly. Boxing is one of my hobbies, and if got pleasure out of getting hurt or beaten up, then I'd probably be better off looking for a new hobby instead.

Whilst the Rubosto finish is definitely stiffer than any other "papery" ‎feel cards, they definitely are not finger-breakingly stiff. They're very good, and very well balanced feeling cards, in my humble opinion. I don't have any difficulties doing those Steve Forte style bridged table riffle shuffles with the finger tips (even Daniel Madison does those pretty well)‎, and nor are the cards difficult to spring.

I just think that for cards to be considered to be ultra-stiff, they'd have to be a few notches stiffer than Robusto. However, if the cards were as stiff as what I've suggested preference towards, then I do recognise the fact that their practical use would be seriously limited -- probably down to just false dealing and certain shuffles, shifts, and passes. I'm probably in a tiny minority that likes cards to be very very very stiff.‎
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And so what EPCC have put out with this Rubosto Finish, I think is pretty much perfect‎ for a "paper" feel deck.

I think for the future, maybe EPCC can consider experimenting with the coating, perhaps to get the slip factor up some more

I genuinely don't like these cards (in comparison to the White Lions)... and I'm having a tough time selling them off on eBay also.

I picked up the deck I'd initially opened, and gave them around half an hour worth of shuffles... and they're already starting to feel like newspaper that's been trodden on by wet boots. The cards feel really cheap in comparison to the White Lions and Bee decks of times gone by. USPCC card stock really has gone down the toilet.

I guess they feel even more cheap now, because I've spent the past few days using only the Superior Brand Robusto Classic by EPCC... and so maybe that's changed my view of Black Lions being mediocre, to Black Lions being cheap, flimsy, and handling like newspaper.

If Blaine releases any more colour variations, then I'll be passing on them as my assumption is that they'll handle just like the these Black Lions.

I don't know about "people", but as I said, the deck I opened was not traditionally cut.

Blaine may well have asked for the decks to be traditionally cut, but as has been established during some of the replies, USPCC are unable to guarantee that every single deck will receive the direction of cut that was requested.

I probably just ended up being one that was unlucky. I had a similar problem with the Madison Private Reserve Rounders deck that I opened -- despite that deck being touted as being traditionally cut, I got one that wasn't. I guess USPCC's quality control really is as bad as it's reputed to be.

Therefore, there really isn't any reason to think/not think about whether or not BL's are traditionally cut -- especially when people are able to test it themselves.

For anybody that doesn't believe in the existence of Santa Claus, point them to this thread. Lol

Excellent receivings -- beats having to pay $299 for just one of them on eBay!

Don, to answer the question, the White Lions series B decks (at least the ones I used) were traditionally cut, as were the Silver Split spades. That's one of the reasons why Blaine decks were one of my go-to decks for practising with, before EPCC and LPCC started business.

In response to a question I posted in one of his KickStarter campaigns, Erik Mana also confirmed that even if you ask USPCC for your deck to be traditionally cut, every single deck won't be guaranteed to have the requested/demanded cut.

I think I've tested pretty much every single marked deck that's released in the past 4 years -- because card cheating/crooked gambling is what got me into cards in the first place, and so I marked decks do intruigue me.

The UMD deck is terrible. I was going to start putting it through the riffle test, but before I even started, I saw the blatant marking in the top corner. Wasn't impressed at all.

The Bicycle 1800 marked deck isn't bad, but it doesn't pass the riffle test -- that's how I found the markings, because I couldn't find the instructions video anywhere. As the 1800 design deliberately has different wears and tear patterns across different card backs, the markings are definitely better hidden than 90% of other marked decks... but as the markings are in "the usual place", after a few riffle tests, you can see them. It took me four riffles. Not bad.

The Madison Dealers fail the riffle test quite blatantly. Yeah, it does require one to figure out the dot code, but it's not difficult.

The Black and White Lions marking system is much better than the Madison Dealers, because although the Lions do also have a pattern type of code, even though they fail the riffle test, like the Bicycle 1800, the riffle test failure is difficult to detect, because the offsetting of the pattern is probably by only a couple of pixels.

The Sharps are the only marked (or rather, readable-via-back-design) deck that I know of. I trust that you know about "juiced" decks that cheaters use... that's what the Sharps use.

As per LPCC's Instagram account, they're producing a second edition of the Sharps. For me, that's probably the best news I've heard in months. I'm curious to see whether they really can top the first edition!

In the interim, for those who don't have the Sharps, the DB Lions decks are a decent alternative... if you don't mind the furry edges!

The reserve version was sold out before I could get in

Got 3 of the regular decks though.

OK, stop torturing us already, when will they be released . I know that the sid that it might be before Christmas, but this waiting is killing me

EPCC are considering releasing these beauties on Wednesday

The next edition to the Classic series from EPCC appears to be ready for release sometime soon... and unlike the previous 4 colours of Classic, this new edition, as the name suggests, features EPCC's new Robusto stock.

Looks great in the image... and so I'm hoping that the handling is just as great also!

Thanks for the photos PT

Clearly, the factory that EPCC and LPCC still hasn't perfected registration issues when using foil directly on cards.

The only EPCC decks I had which use foil on cards were Exquisite Bold and the gold 52+J deck. Foil registration on both was really really bad.

I think they will improve over time though... or at least I hope they improve. If they get that sorted, then they'll be absolutely flawless when it comes to anything playing card related.