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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Opinion about the Nightshade Deck
« on: November 10, 2015, 10:44:34 PM »
My suggestion is to look on YouTube and looks for decks you're interested in before you buy.

Then, spend your money on the decks you like most.

I think the 2 best channels for reviews are:

https://www.youtube.com/user/magicorthodoxy

and

https://www.youtube.com/user/vjose32


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The problem is when you have 5 or 6 players and using a traditional deck. Now, if the situation comes around again and I want to play one of these games with 5 or 6 people, I can add the 1 or 2 suits to the deck and the game stays the same with the same number of cards etc.

Look up a 500 deck, they're designed for 6 players. Instead of adding more suits the 500 deck adds more ranks. They've been around for more than a century but are most popular in Australia. It includes 11s, 12s, and red 13s but only one joker for a total of 63 cards.

Check out Newt's cards, he's a forum member. He has a 70 card deck that adds black 13s and 6 jokers. With this deck you can also play Zwicker, a German game that uses 6 jokers. Only NSV still makes dedicated Zwicker decks.

Thanks, but adding number cards doesn't really work for the games I'm interested in. That's why I made the deck specifically with 13 cards of different suits.

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The jokers need a little help, but otherwise it's not a bad deck!

The jokers are my favorite part! LOL

Now what you should do it, now that you know exactly what it costs to make, is prep a Kickstarter project to get the deck made in larger numbers (not necessarily mass-produced) for people who'd be interested in playing with them.  I know there are some websites that talk about games and have lively discussions about the many different non-standard decks out there, including decks with more than four suits and more than two colors.  You could have the playing-card equivalent of the next Pet Rock or Rubik's Cube on your hands!

There won't be a Kickstarter. I don't think they are original enough and I didn't design them from scratch, even though they are a free, as in beer, licence. The time commitment versus the reward is very minimal, and not being based in America would make things even more difficult. And there's nothing to stop some of the big name designers from putting on different suits to the cards they already have and corner the market with something better. Imagine if Kings Wild or on of the other big names came out with a 5+ suit deck. I hope they do. They win, and they should.

Crowns don't feel like they mesh with the rest of the suits, try make it into one contiguous piece with maybe just three points. You'll probably need new courts for your new suits. Ask sprout to get you in touch with Vivian. She designed some courts for him that look like Charles Goodall himself made it. Anglo-Rouennais knights!

As for games, the only ones that I know of that are played with 8 suits is Ganjifa. It's a very old trick-taking game from Iran and India that supposedly requires lots of memory and concentration.

The reasoning behind the crowns, was just to stay within the traditional theme, or at least try. Through some research, I read/found out that the suits tended to have these meanings:

hearts: clergy (love, death)
diamonds: merchants (money, business)
clubs: peasants (common people)
spades: nobility (elite, upper class)

That is why I matched:
hearts with crosses
diamonds with coins
clubs with stars (a little bit of a stretch, but it was simple and easy to identify)
spades with crowns

I would often play eight player games either, and I anticipate only using up to 6 different suits usually. The games I often play are:

asshole (a four player only game)
hearts (a four player only game)

The problem is when you have 5 or 6 players and using a traditional deck. Now, if the situation comes around again and I want to play one of these games with 5 or 6 people, I can add the 1 or 2 suits to the deck and the game stays the same with the same number of cards etc.

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I looked around on the internet and even contacted a few of the people who sold multi suit decks, but no one bothered to answer. So, I just decided to do it on my own.

I just completed my personal project, and made an 8 suit deck. So, should be interesting classic games with up to 8 people.

In the end, I chose 8 suits, using the red, black, gold and blue for the colors.
Red: diamonds and hearts
Black: clubs and spades
Gold: coins and crosses
Blue: crowns and stars

I modified and extra suits court cards by going a bit darker but maintaining the same gold color throughout all the decks.

I matched the suits as follows:

clubs and stars
spades and crowns
hearts and crosses
diamonds and coins

I ended up modifying the court cards here:

http://code.google.com/p/vectorized-playing-cards/

It was a good starting point, but many of the cards alignments were off and I wanted to go borderless. I removed the borders, made custom pips throughout and used a different font. I created a black and a red joker.

I used MPC to print all 106 cards. I also ordered a couple MPC tin cases too. Grand total: $38.58 USD and about a month in my spare time. But now I have an 8 suit deck to use with my friends. Should arrive in early June.






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Playing Card Plethora / Re: What's the consensus on decks with 5+ suits?
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:18:58 AM »
This would just be a personal project, if I actually follow through. There won't be any Kickstarter or shipping them off to stores.

Just a project to tinker with and see what happens.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: What's the consensus on decks with 5+ suits?
« on: January 19, 2015, 12:14:16 AM »
Thanks everyone for the ideas. Something to think about, but I'm still leaning to making my own suits.

Ideas so far are, adapting a some copyright free court cards and just changing the suits.

Blue: star, crown

Green: maple leaf, cross

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: What's the consensus on decks with 5+ suits?
« on: January 18, 2015, 11:01:36 PM »
Yeah, I don't think a Kickstarter would bring in much unless you somehow branded it as a new game and not just a deck with extra suits. Why not use the Swiss or Spanish suits?

For sure. Just a novelty item.

Do you have a link to these suits?

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: What's the consensus on decks with 5+ suits?
« on: January 18, 2015, 08:23:52 PM »
I really like non-standard decks (suits, card count, graphics) and I've come across some really great ones on BGG like the Stardeck and Empire Deck. These are decks with more than 5 suits, originally so that more people could play Bridge together. I don't know if it's just because 5+-player Bridge isn't a huge draw, but it seems like these just aren't a big thing. I can't find any on eBay or Amazon and the ones that have websites are out of stock. Are 5+ suit decks just not as popular as when these decks came out (early 90s), and what do you guys think of them?

I owned an Empire deck a long time ago. We often played, "Asshole" which is a four player game. But when we had the Empire deck, we were able to play with 5 or 6 people. Same when we played "Hearts"

This post has inspired me, and it would be nice to play some of these games again with more than 4 people. Now that there's MPC, it's possible to make your own. My idea is to make my own deck with 4 new suits and just combine it with a standard 4 suit MPC deck with the same back. Voila. Eight suits.

The price to do one of these projects is only time. MPC makes it reasonable.

http://www.makeplayingcards.com/design/fi_8219.html

Custom Game Cards (63 x 88mm)_copy
310gsm (linen)
108 card deck
$25.20

Custom Game Cards (63 x 88mm)_copy
310gsm (linen)
54 card deck
$12.60

+ extras

This isn't something I have a lot of time to invest, so I'll consider it a project I'll try to get done before the end of the summer. If it's just a matter of replacing the suits and reusing the court card images, it shouldn't take long. That's the most desirable method.

Any suggestions for 4 new suits?

I don't really like the additional Empire suits. I read this article: http://www.jamesrobertwatson.com/playingcards.html prosing a cups and shields. I don't know. I like the idea of keeping the new suits red and black, but two new colors might also work.

Any suggestions? Or, has anyone done this?

I doubt it's worth the time for any serious designer to make a Kickstarter deck with new suits, as probably only a handful of people would be interested. That said, Jackson started making clocks. Why not four new Kings Wild suits? LOL.

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I ordered:

3 limited
7 unlimited

Just love the artwork and they are very card game friendly too. Decks of the year candidates.

Can't wait for Hive 3.

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My big question is why are the indices angled in the corners?

Exactly. I can't use a deck like that. Instantly a no go for me. (not that it means much)

I like the plain backs and the artwork...

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Scarlett Tally-Ho No.13 by KWP (KS)
« on: November 17, 2014, 06:17:28 AM »
My decision to run the Scarlett Tally Hos how I am, actually had nothing to do what the after market does or might do with my decks. Sure tons of people made money of the Feds and other decks of mine in the after market.  I didn't really care one way or the other, I for sure wasn't ever upset or felt like I was getting jipped out of possible income. I was happy that I was getting to design cards for a living.

The structure of the Scarlett Tally Hos has 100% to do with what the people that allow me to design cards for a living wanted and spoke loud and clear with the voices and wallets. Sure I would love to produce a $5 deck but the reality is it will not be the deck that I want it to be.

What about including unlimited display deck purchases with your decks? Wouldn't this help economies of scale? It would help get more of your artwork out there and people using the cards more. A nice tuck is nice, but $5 display decks would be great. Do you think display desk hurt limited edition decks?

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The Conversation Parlor / Re: USPCC vs EPCC/LPCC
« on: November 16, 2014, 05:07:08 AM »
I have some of the Serpentine decks from LPCC and the overall feel is excellent. They feel better than the EPCC decks I have.

That said, the design is the most important factor for me.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Scarlett Tally-Ho No.13 by KWP (coming soon)
« on: November 11, 2014, 05:22:35 PM »
Option A.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Uusi Classic (KS)
« on: November 01, 2014, 11:19:03 PM »
The cards look fantastic, but notice how fast the boxes flew off the shelves.
Did anyone here score the FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY COLLECTOR BOX -- I missed it by seconds.

/bama

Wasn't me, I also missed it by seconds. It was available when I initially clicked. By the time the little pledge thing popped up, it was "sold out".
Pretty much same thing happened to me. I spent too much time reading instead of scrolling to the end.

I'm still trying to figure out the fastest way to pull-up the page on a launch. 'Discover new launched' wasn't working at 7AM so I searched on UUSI and the page was there.

Maybe next time ... except there is no Uusi next time. :(

/bama

I use this link for all playing cards on Kickstarter and just click, "reload this page" over and over again.

https://www.kickstarter.com/discover/advanced?term=playing+cards&sort=newest

I was in right away. The Friends Of The Family Collector Box was available, but too rich for my Blue Bloods.

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January 18th.

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I think the decks look great. I think the mistake was on the pricing. There's lots of research about pricing correctly, and funneling people upward. The pricing for this project was pretty flat and didn't reward people who wanted multiple decks. The price was great for the brick. My suggestion for Jackson when he decides to relaunch the Silver Arrows (assuming it doesn't spike all of a sudden and get funded) is:

$12 1 deck
$19 2 decks
$40 6 decks
$72 1 brick (1 pearl deck)
$130 2 bricks (2 pearl decks)

$9 add-ons (Slate)
$16 add-ons (Pearl)

In most projects with multiple decks, a big chunk of the backers are "1 deck of each/everything" type of people. Getting $30 from a big chunk of backers for a 2 deck project would pretty good, and the price incentive at the brick end would satisfy many of the people who want to take advantage of that.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: KINGS WILD PROJECT - Official Topic
« on: October 17, 2014, 04:59:18 PM »
I just received an email that my 4 decks are shipping.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: KINGS WILD PROJECT - Official Topic
« on: October 12, 2014, 10:29:03 AM »
Ordered a brick! Even with international shipping @ $40, it's still a decent deal in my opinion...=) I actually almost ordered 2 bricks, but interestingly, the shipping was more than double! I took that as a sign that I was just being greedy and backed down to a single brick...=P Hope I get a decent mix!

I ordered 2 bricks, went to pay, but the overseas shipping was $90. I backed out, and had them both shipped to a friend's house in America. He's going to stick them in his suitcase, along with other Kickstarter cards from the past half year. I get to see them in January 2015. Instead of paying for shipping, I can pay the excess baggage charges for another suitcase if needed, or just slip my friend $50 for his trouble and still come out way ahead.

I didn't get any of the Sherlock decks the first time around, so the Halloween sale was perfect for me. I hope I get the whole series in duplicate. I also hope it was stuffed with as many Black Reserve notes (don't have any) and Silver Certificates and White Reserves, as they are some of my favourite Kings Wild cards.

Even though I won't see this cards until January, it was my 2nd best card purchase this year. My favourite decks were The Hive.

patience > shitty international shipping

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Silver Arrow (10/11/14 KS)
« on: October 11, 2014, 10:45:43 PM »
Finally an attempt to print a less expensive deck in larger numbers. I hope this project succeeds so that JR might lead the way to a few similar projects in the future.

Now, if only I could convince him of switching the indices' colors to some shade of red for the Diamonds and Hearts. ;D

@Marcus

There might be an option that I'm willing to look into...

What if I kept the "all silver" theme only in the Pearl Edition and then maybe introduced metallic red ink into the Slate Edition. There are some production things I would have to look into but I do like the idea of pushing both decks even further from each other, but no commitment yet. ;)

There are so many things to like about these decks! I love the fact they are mostly black, white and silver. I also really like the court cards. Looks like your best line work yet for your standard courts. Are you holding back the joker images? What about a king with a gas mask a la Lord of the Rings with a thousand silver arrows raining down on him! Would be a killer diptych too.

For me, the diamond pips are difficult to tell they are diamonds. I think it has to do with the fact they are mostly white. I like the idea of red pips, or even a base silver/gray pips might be an improvement, but the way they are now, to me, the diamonds don't look like diamonds, and they would fit with the current theme. Basically the diamond pip you have now but the colors reversed.

The back design is killer.

It seems like many some of the complaints from collectors is wanting to get the pearl edition too. If the goal is to get people to buy the brick for the pearl deck bonus, what about a compromise and add an add-on for D1 brick people to purchase one extra Pearl deck, so they can have 2. Or an interesting experiment would be to open up a tier E1, where it's 11 slates + 2 pearl decks for $100 (lower of course would be better) and see what happens. Haters are going to hate regardless, but those open and deck and keep a deck collectors would be happier, and the bulk of people pledging for bricks right now are probably collectors. Win-win?

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Silver Arrow (10/11/14 KS)
« on: October 06, 2014, 11:55:42 PM »
October 11th at what time? Some of us need to set a countdown calendar!

What little has been shown about the cards looks excellent. Tuck..meh. Won't stop me from buying these!

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Bicycle Coat of Arms & Dark Ages (KS)
« on: August 26, 2014, 10:42:37 AM »
Hey Everyone!

Great news!! The Coat of Arms and Dark Ages Decks will be released this Tuesday, August 26th!  I will post again to let everyone know once the launch has occurred so you can take advantage of the early birds.

August 26th at what time?

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I like the top version much better than the bottom version. I'm not a fan of the indices moving over to the right. I'm not a fan of the designer pips in either image. Smiley diamonds? Your deck. Your designs. Just my opinion.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Midnight Card Company + Kings Wild
« on: August 17, 2014, 07:31:17 AM »
I'll wait to show any Cards until it gets close to launch, but here's a Higher Res version of the Tucks Render. The Tucks will use a smooth matte White Stock, Blue / Orange Foil, Metallic Gold and Pantone Black. It will also have Embossing and some selective areas of UV Varnish. I'll have a Stretch Goal for a 1-Color Interior printed design (Blue / Orange Metallic Ink).

thanks, Randy

Pricing. Check.
Tuck. Check.

Will these have custom court cards or the Legends court cards? (please say custom court cards...)

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 :t11: 3x Limited Edition Hive Playing Card Deck - HIVE RED & BLUE Matching Number Set for $34.00 each  :t11:

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: KINGS WILD PROJECT - Official Topic
« on: July 28, 2014, 08:48:56 AM »
Hello everyone. I just wanted to make the official announcement about the release date and price point for the HIVE decks.

The HIVE decks will be exclusively sold on the Kings Wild Website on Saturday August 2, 2014 @ 12pm Central with a delivery of mid to late August.

Here is how the price breakdowns:

1 Deck - $18 plus shipping
1 Matching Number Set (1 Red deck & 1 Blue deck) - $34 plus shipping
1 Mix Brick (6 Red decks & 6 Blue decks) - $200 plus shipping

http://kings-wild-project.myshopify.com/products/limtied-edition-hive-playing-card-deck

Less than 800 of each color will be available.

Will the shipping be the same as it was for the KingsWildFunded Tally-Ho deck?

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Your first single deck has a base shipping fee of either  $4 Domestic or $10 International, and every additional deck has a base shipping fee of $1 Domestic or $2 International. If you would like to order multiple decks you will see a quantity dropdown menu located on the pledge details page just before checking out.

The time zone isn't friendly for me on this one...2:00 am!

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