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Design & Development / Stukeley Style Deck
« on: June 20, 2015, 10:15:29 PM »


This deck is based on the Stukeley decks that were produced in the 15th and 16th Centuries and copied by artists in the 17th and 18th Centuries.  This deck is based on two decks held by the British Museum with the color scheme being based on the later, 17th Century deck.  Because the images are in the public domain I have made the greatest possible use of the original images wherever possible.  Some cards were missing from the deck and had to be created from scratch or filled in to various degrees.

In monkeying with the contrast on the images I found what I believe to be the original green color used in the decks.  Without the contrast change the green simply looks like blue.  This is probably due to the way the green was produced using period pigments and the effects of time.  The cards have plain backs.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: A deck from 1470
« on: June 18, 2015, 06:19:59 PM »
Ulrike Worner refers to this as 'the censored deck'.  Apparently because of a belief that the missing unters and obers were cut out to censor them.

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Design & Development / Re: Print-On-Demand Printers?
« on: June 18, 2015, 03:05:56 PM »
I've used Arts Cow and Printer Studio and I've looked at MPC and Gamecrafter.  I currently use Printer Studio because they are the least expensive, the most responsive, and the best quality.  They also offer a storefront space that doesn't charge anything.  I'm pretty happy with them.

That said, they aren't without many flaws.  They will do cards with square, rather than rounded, corners at no additional cost but they haven't made it a standard feature so my customers have to request it on a per-order basis.  The storefront is very basic and the URL is ungodly long (which makes it impossible to remember).  Shipping is the biggest issue.  On the one hand Printer Studio will ship worldwide at reasonable rates.  On the other hand some people balk at paying $8 in shipping for a $12 deck.

My shop is located at:
http://www.printerstudio.com/sell/sell_product_shop.aspx?designer=A11EAF15F6F57B5660997A5BC1CC721D8E3BA9D878DE371F

See what a mess that URL is?  Not a problem when you're on the internet, but I can't exactly put it on a business card.  You can also see that the shop uses my real name rather than the business name I put into the profile.  And the product description is buried two clicks deep and it's not an obvious trail to get there.  But, as I said, it's free.

The Printer Studio card-building interface is easy to use (and the exact same interface offered by MPC and Arts Cow).  The Gamecrafter interface is very workable but much more time-consuming.

If you want playing cards of the quality offered by the big printers (e.g. USPCC) you simply aren't going to find it with small batch, on-demand printers.  On the other hand I use custom decks printed by Printer Studio (to play card games) all the time and they have held up and performed well.

I'd be very interested if anyone knows of any print on demand shops working in Europe.  The only places I've found so far are mid-size shops with 100-300 deck minimums.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / A deck from 1470
« on: June 18, 2015, 01:13:27 PM »
In 1937 W. Schreiber published a catalog of 14th and 15th Century playing cards.  The book was republished in 1968.  Among the cards featured was a deck from around 1470.  This deck was in the collection of Mr. Alvin W. Krech and consisted of a single sheet that contained the entire deck.  The deck is in the suits of hearts, leaves, bells, and acorns.  These are standard suits for central Europe.  The courts are unusual in that there are four court cards: a mounted king (male), a seated queen (female), and an ober (over) and unter (under) of each suit.  Normally there would be three court cards and they are predominantly male.  They are also, typically clothed.  Nudity is not unknown and has a long, long tradition in playing cards but the nudity of some of the figures is part of what sets this deck apart.  You can see the sheet below:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B15SAMYZtejMb1hpZVVvRUNJa2s/view?usp=sharing
Photo taken from Schweizer Spielkarten by Mr. Detlef Hoffman.

Shortly after the sheet was cataloged by Mr. Schreiber it was lost.  I've been trying to track it down without any success.  The odds are the sheet was sold to another private collector when the Krech family was apparently liquidating assets shortly before WWII.  You'll note the deck has no 10s or aces.  The lack of aces is pretty standard.  In German and Swiss decks of the time the two or the ten frequently took over the functions of the ace.  Tens, however, are pretty standard in German/Swiss decks and it's unusual to find a deck without them.  Was there a second sheet to this deck?  Probably not, but I can't rule out the possibility.  In any case it's just another of the little details that sets this deck apart.

In 2005, or thereabouts, Mr. Jorge Kelman of The Guild of Saynt Luke undertook to recreate this deck using the techniques of the period.  He handcarved wood plates, manufactured his own paper, made his own pigments, and produced a limited run of these cards.  Each deck was handmade from start to finish.  You can see one of his decks for sale here:

http://www.spielkartenonline-shop.de/en/non-standard-e-k/2106-guild-of-saynt-luke-wk-14553.html
European re-seller of collector playing cards.

In 2014 I was talking with Mr. Kelman, who was kind enough to address my fumbling efforts to re-create card decks, and he sent me an old proof sheet done with a different paper and different pigments.  It had the entire courts and most of the twos.  For me this was an amazing gift.  Printer's cast-offs are the primary source of information about early decks and having one of my own, even a modern one... That print is framed and on the wall of my bedroom.  I had the opportunity to buy one of Mr. Kelman's decks and, because of financial constraints, passed it up.  I'm currently trying to convince my wife I need to buy the one for sale above. :)

But because I take printer's cast-offs and attempt to re-create decks from them, I gave it a shot with the sheet that Mr. Kelman had sent me.  You can see my efforts below.  I'm not selling these decks, I'm just sharing this.  I made a copy on modern cardstock for myself and another to send to Mr. Kelman and that's all.


Image on Facebook of my copy of Mr. Kelman's work.

I used the arrangement provided by the original proof sheet.  I used Mr. Kelman's artwork in all cases but I know my arrangements of the pip cards differ from his.  I kept the original color of the paper he was experimenting with but, as you can readily see, his finished product was done on a paper which was much lighter in color.  Papers of the time were sized and smoothed with a mixture of starch and chalk and even a mass produced product like playing cards was probably printed on relatively smooth paper.

This is a really nice deck and I'm glad to have even a cheap reproduction of an excellent reproduction to play with.

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Design & Development / Re: Medieval Inspired Deck
« on: June 01, 2015, 10:24:07 AM »
Here are some roughs for alternate backs that I considered.

Ultimately the decision to go with the simpler back was made because, while I'm deviating from medieval/renaissance design norms in so many ways, I'm still trying to stay close to those norms.  Sometimes less really is more.


Alt 1


Alt 2


Alt 3


Alt 4 - This would actually have all 20 different shield designs (without the super thick border on the shields).


Alt 5


Alt 6

I considered doing a plain back (just a parchment color) or a simple monotone (in the authentic ochre-yellow tone) because both of those options would be truer to the actual card examples from that time period, but chose to add the laurel wreaths to give the backs some branding and just a little visual activity.

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You are correct.  There's some doubt as to the dating (as the website makes clear) but 15th Century does seem to be the strongest case.

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Design & Development / Re: Medieval Inspired Deck
« on: May 29, 2015, 10:34:42 AM »
Thanks for the feedback, guys.

Don, I don't think the single deck option works for a number of reasons that are, to someone outside the group, largely silly and nonsensical.  There's a lot more weight behind your argument for putting court figures on the cards and I've experimented with that and what I found was that the cards became very difficult to read because of the size changes in the pips and the extra complexity the court figures add to what is already a very busy background.  I have two very different modified versions of this deck in mind that include court figures (the deck becomes almost entirely court figures, in fact) but I'm waiting until this summer when a much more talented artist will be working with me.  I hope.

Justin, I agree the back is very plain.  I've gone back and forth on that issue almost as much as I've gone back and forth on the court figures.  The early playing cards had plain backs or painted, monotone backs (such as the crimson backs on the Ambras Hunting Deck).  I was trying to strike a median between a modern deck and a medieval deck with the monotone back augmented by the laurel wreathes (the symbol of the organization as a whole).  I'll take another look at it.

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Design & Development / Re: Karagöz Playing Cards Project
« on: May 27, 2015, 02:04:58 PM »
I like this idea and look forward to seeing more.

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Design & Development / Medieval Inspired Deck
« on: May 27, 2015, 01:52:54 PM »


This is the Queen of a deck intended to be sold to members of the Society for Creative Anachronism, a medieval-themed hobby group.  The background to this deck is based on 14th-15th Century illuminated manuscripts.  The suits are the coats of arms of the various regional groups (for the court cards) and the badges of the regional groups (for the pips).  There are 19 kingdoms worldwide and customers can choose any 4 to build a 'custom' deck.

The back is very simple as a nod to the early playing card backs which were, until the 16th Century, plain or very simple indeed.

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Is this the same Topkapi deck you have been working on recently?
The black and white 'simplified' Topkapi deck listed for sale on our website was done when I was laying out the cards.  I had to make some decisions on card sizes for production purposes.  The resulting layout was so compelling that I made a couple of copies for myself and then made them available to anyone who wanted some.  Below you can see a very low resolution, partial card that's closer to the final product I'm aiming for.  This image was created when I was testing colors and floral arrangements.  These cards are slow work because of the the detail involved.  Each card is about 1GB in size before I combine all the elements and produce a final, more manageable image.  I've got eight cards completed so far.  The plan right now is to go with a plain back.


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Our cards are based on medieval/renaissance designs.  They are printed by Printer's Studio on modern, slick, playing cardstock with rounded corners.  Please check the deck size you are ordering as some of the decks are quite small (mini-size) and others are quite large (tarot size); we tried to be as close to the original size as possible.

Our shop can be found here.

Examples include:

The 16th Century Jean Hemau Deck.  M. Hemau was a 16th-17th Century printer specializing in playing cards.  We have used his courts and added the appropriate pip cards.  We are fortunate enough to know what his card backs looked like because his deck is featured in an early 17th Century still-life painting.


The Fougere Royale (Royal Palm).  This deck dates to the 15th-16th Century and it has been recreated here by cardmaker Lady Heather Hall (you might not have heard of her yet, but you will).


The plain Topkapi Deck.  This simplified, black and white, deck is based on the 16th Century Topkapi cards and the 13th Century de Unger card fragment in the Keir Collection.  It is an Islamic-style deck featuring the suits of cups, coins, swords, and polo-sticks printed on a large, tarot-size deck.


Our generic German/Swiss deck.  This deck is based on examples from the 15th to the 18th Centuries.  It is a mini-size deck because the original cards were quite small.  This deck features twelve suits, that makes it three complete decks, including: hearts, leaves, acorns, bells, roses, and more.

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A couple of examples of people re-creating playing cards by hand can be found at LadyHeatherHall.com and Cervus Trading.  In the case of Cervus Trading, they will sell you a handmade deck.  Prices reflect the labor.

Cervus Trading 15th Century Provencal/Italian deck:


Cervus Trading handmade reproduction of the Cloisters' Deck:




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My hunch is that while the deck is in the public domain, the scans the museum provide are not. Much like how any photos you take belong to you even if what you took is available to everyone else. Since the museum doesn't let anyone scan their cards without permission, they are effectively gatekeepers.

Bingo!  I knew there had to be some way they were functioning as gatekeepers here with a legal leg to stand on.  But if someone were to recreate the deck - not using the scans, but by simply recreating the art, perhaps in the style of an art forger but presenting the result as a reproduction, not the original - that could be done without the museum's consent?
Absolutely.  You don't even have to go as far as recreating the deck (which has been done, by the way) but could instead take your own pictures of the original artifacts and you're free and clear.

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The hand-painted ones were only for the wealthy. I was mainly referring to the mass production ones used by the general population. The cheapest and most common ones seem to stick to the RYB scheme. I know certain dyes were cheaper than others, English soldiers wore red uniforms for 250 years for this reason.

BTW, are you still working on your Topkapi or minchiate decks? I was planning on making a Mamluk poker deck until I saw your posts and saw you were further ahead. I couldn't find any pictures on the internet of what the backs of the Topkapi cards are but I assume they were plain backs. Otherwise, I can't explain the atrocious blue pattern Cartamundi selected for their 1970's reproductions.
Still working on both of those decks.  I've mostly been slowed by the fact that I've got all the artistic skill of a sloth.  I finally nailed down the designs on the Topkapi cards and I'm slowly finishing them up at the rate of about 1 per day.  Each image is approximately 1GB in size before I finally put everything together and send it to a PNG file of manageable size.  My hat is absolutely off to the professional card makers who made these decks by hand.

The backs of the Topkapi cards are indeed blank.  I agree the pattern Cartamundi went with for the backs on their reproduction of the deck is... awful.  You should go ahead and make a deck, btw.  Because I do print in demand I'm totally insulated from financial risk.  If no one buys any of my designs I still had fun making them and I've got the copies I want and no more.  Even if that wasn't the case I strongly encourage people to keep the old designs alive and enjoy the study of them and the process of re-creating them.

The Italian deck is unlikely to go to Tarot or Minchiate size because my attempts at producing the trump cards have been... horrendous.  Given that it would cost at least $600 to have a decent artist produce them for me I've pretty much given up on that idea.  I'm going to finish the court cards and just put this deck out there as an Italian deck.

There is an artist of my acquaintance who is currently working on a minchiate deck based on the Rosenwald deck.  Cardmaker Lady Heather Hall does some stunning work (really, my jealousy is absolutely ugly) and produces reasonably priced decks.  Her website is a little difficult to maneuver but she's currently got eight historical decks available to buy.  http://ladyheatherhall.com/


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In the woodblock and stencil era color was applied using stencils.  That meant more labor (cutting stencils, applying them) and longer production times (allowing additional colors to dry between applications) and that meant less profit.  There was a trade-off, however, as the manufacturers competed to produce the best (most detailed, most colorful) decks and the lowest possible cost.

Red, Yellow, Green, Blue, and Purple were popular colors from the very beginning and can be found in just about every region from the very beginning.

Beyond that you have the hand-painted cards (such as the Cloisters Deck or the Topkapi Decks) in which the artists handpainted each card and even applied gold leaf.  Such cards were very expensive, however.

So I think it's not a technical limitation but a financial constraint.

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As regards the rights I know Jeannette got permission from the museum to produce this deck using imagery supplied by them.  I have no idea what contract the museum has with Piatnik.  Given that I've seen at least two producers selling copies of this deck I suspect the museum needs to act to preserve copyright or risk losing it altogether.

As regards the price I'll go out on a limb and say that playing card consumers have been somewhat spoiled by the economies of mass production.  This deck will never find the audience that modern, small print playing card runs find.  But, to be fair, many modern, small print playing card runs don't find that audience either.  And a lot of people (me! :) ) can't afford to bankroll a 500 deck print run and then be stuck with 300 decks that end up getting dumped on retailers who insist on wholesale prices that are less than what the cards cost to get produced.  We can discuss the Darwinian action of the marketplace but, ultimately, these cards will be available to the small group of people that care about them.  I'll grant you Jeannette is charging more than I would, but her game store is her livelihood and I'm just a guy who likes old cards and sells a few in his spare time.  I know that my decks run $12-$15 each I make between $2-$3 per deck sold which is, so I'm told, peanuts.



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The Conversation Parlor / 1795 Time Capsule
« on: January 06, 2015, 05:13:13 PM »
I read a report on CNN that claimed the Revere Time Capsule in Boston contains "cards".  Does anyone know if this is referring to playing cards?  If so, are they from the 1795 or 1855 era?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Vintage 5 suit decks (esp. USPCC eagles)
« on: December 08, 2014, 07:22:02 PM »
That's fascinating.  There is a 17th Century (16th?) German deck held in the Louvre that uses Latin suits AND has an additional 5th suit: Shields bearing an eagle.  I'm working with an artist on a 15th Century French deck and it has a complete set of figures for an extra court.  Unfortunately we don't know what the suits would have been because none of those survived.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Historical French Playing Cards
« on: December 01, 2014, 03:07:50 PM »
I wish my budget extended to collecting actual antique decks, but it doesn't.  I dabble in recreating and selling playing card decks from the late Middle Ages and Renaissance.  These are mostly for my own amusement, but print-on-demand technology means I can offer the designs to other people without having to invest money in a print-run.  I'm a little fascinated with the early history of playing cards.

I've done a set of German/Swiss suits.  Up until a week ago I let people choose their own combination of suits and backs.  That got too time-consuming so I had to stop.  I added Latin (Spanish) suits because someone asked me to.  I kind of regret doing it now.  You can see the suits, less the clubs and cubs, in this image.



My favorite deck is the simplified Topkapi/De Unger deck.  I've been working on doing a deck in this style for a while and this black and white layout set was strangely compelling.  I've had to alter size and proportions to fit modern cards but these are very true to the originals and I like them a lot.  The full color/detail version is coming along very slowly.



My second favorite deck is the Barcelona/Moorish/Wintle deck.  I know these were almost certainly a European deck done with European courts, but I imagined the deck as an actual Moorish deck and completed it with Islamic style courts.  This is my third iteration of the deck and despite all the mistakes I've made I still love this deck.  I'm currently re-doing this as a Spanish style deck.



I've done several others and I've got about eight more in various stages of completion.  My research into French cards brought these volumes to my attention and I thought I'd share with anyone who wasn't aware of them.  I haven't had any issues opening these documents up.  Are you perhaps located outside the United States?  You can try searching by going to the Haithi Digital Trust homepage and searching on the author.  Searching on Cartes a Jouer will return an even large list of sources, of course.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Historical French Playing Cards
« on: December 01, 2014, 10:02:08 AM »
Wow.  The internet available version suddenly feels less like a treasure trove.  :(

 :)

Some of you might be interested in the work being done by this lady: http://ladyheatherhall.com/

She's doing some fantastic work re-creating early decks of cards.  I don't know if she's selling her cards yet, but I've been trying to convince her to do so for a couple of months.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Historical French Playing Cards
« on: November 28, 2014, 12:53:19 PM »
This is a nice resource for all you Francophile card lovers.  These two volumes are chock-a-block with illustrations of French playing cards from the 14th Century (although I've only found 15th Century cards in them) to the 20th Century.  It's like having a little museum on your computer.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c2676956;view=1up;seq=9

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c2676955;view=1up;seq=11

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Design & Development / Re: 15th Century French Deck
« on: November 15, 2014, 11:25:19 AM »
This deck is optimized for the 'as close as possible' crowd right now.  In fact, the printer just agreed to do these with square corners rather than the standard rounded corners.

I plan to re-size the cards and include corner indices so as to offer a modern version of this deck.  I don't think it will sell all that well but it'll only take about 8 hours and I've been wrong before.  And, of course, I have the benefit of being able to upload the design and pretty much forget about it so why not make it available even if it's only a few folks who want it?

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Design & Development / Re: 15th Century French Deck
« on: November 14, 2014, 11:22:20 PM »
Here's the deck.

  There were only two jacks in the surviving deck so I've repeated those.  I just today came across another image of cards from this deck which might show the missing jacks.  I haven't had time yet to check.

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Design & Development / Re: 15th Century French Deck
« on: November 05, 2014, 05:41:06 PM »
The faux aging is inappropriate in this case (natural or off-white would be better choices for the card backing) because it doesn't reflect what the cards would have really looked like.  Try telling that to my customers, however.  I am certain this deck would get a better reception, and more purchases, among my target audience with the current sepia tone than it will with the more accurate, lighter color background.

So far as names go this one will probably by Lyonnaise Number 1.  If I knew the name of the artist who originally drew the courts I'd name the deck after him.  Unfortunately his name is lost to history.

Readability is less of a concern for me.  This is, of course, horrible design from a modern stand-point, but I'm not (with this deck) concerned with making a modern deck.  These courts are among the earliest surviving images of playing cards and the pip cards are arranged as those early cards would have been.  When I use decks like these I typically play an early game like Karnoeffel and imagine what it was like when the design was first introduced.

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