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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Nitze playing card collection?
« on: April 11, 2016, 01:07:13 PM »
If you have any sources of information you can provide as a starting point, it would help.  This topic is the first hit in a Google search, with the next two hits being about Freidrich Nietzsche!
  Here are the entire contents of my search file so far:

Displayed, on loan, at the Art Institute of Chicago in 1948
Owned by Anina H. Nitze
http://texts.cdlib.org/view?docId=hb3r29n8f4&doc.view=frames&chunk.id=div00018&toc.depth=1&toc.id=

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00119253.1949.10742804?journalCode=vzde20#.VwVHk_krLcs

I checked the holdings of the Art Institute of Chicago and found they had several prints and drawings donated by her.  None of their holdings include any playing cards.  I haven't done a usual culprits (British Museum, Beineke Library, Sotheby's, and etc...) search yet as I've been somewhat involved in my search for the Krech cards.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Nitze playing card collection?
« on: April 06, 2016, 12:34:29 PM »
Does anyone know anything about this collection?  I found a couple of references to this collection being displayed, on loan, at the Art Institute of Chicago in 1948.  Mrs. Nitze donated about 14 drawings/prints to the Institute in 1947 but I can't find any record of her donating the cards to them.  The collection was said to span the 15th to 19th centuries and included examples from Europe, Asia, and North America.

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Crappity.  The Krech collection was broken up amongst his heirs when he died.  Back to the family tree charts and tracking down his descendants.

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Design & Development / Re: "Spectrum lines" - Deck concept idea
« on: March 14, 2016, 02:28:24 PM »
I like this.  My suggestions:
-Solid colors for the index pips.  This will make them pop.
-Change the design of the diamond to make the lower two sides curve inward (like the top sides do).
-Change the design of the spade to make the lower two lobes more circular, the stem straighter, and make the top lobe curve in more gently so it presents more of an upside down tear drop shape.
-The star on your card backs needs to echo the motif of your art pips.  Fill it with the design work rather than making it a solid color.  And the line weight of the circle needs to be the same line weight as the outlines of your pips.

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I found records of two auctions featuring items from the Krech Collection.  The first, in 1948, was the most promising.  The librarians at The Grolier Club have checked the auction record and found no record of the card sheet.  They're sending me images of the auction catalog.  God bless curators and librarians.

The second auction was in 1970 and the records are in Los Angeles at the Getty Museum.  I'm going to try to get someone to go over and take a look.

In a way I'm hoping this sheet doesn't turn up in the auction records.  Two of the auction houses I've spoken to have told me they won't provide me with any details about sales information so a record of the sheet being auctioned would likely be a dead end.  At least now I can keep searching within the Krech family.

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M. Depaulis replied to me this morning.  He had nothing to add regarding the location of this sheet (noting that many of the examples W.L. Shreiber cited are very difficult to locate) but suggested I speak with Sigmar Radau as that worthy has suggested the cards in question are Polish (from Breslau/Wroclaw).

I have heard back from one of the descendants of Mr. Krech who is currently in Africa and has promised to contact me at a later date.


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I've done a lot more research on this as I finally start to gear up to print some cards.  I've found that there's no one answer to any of the questions.  Artists used what they used for whatever reasons.  For instance, I've found organic and inorganic reds being used on mass-produced cards.  I've also found binders ranging from egg-whites, to gum-arabic (or other resins), to starch (wheatpaste).  Additionally inks could be water-based or oil-based.  The evidence suggests that professional ink-makers weren't a big thing until the 18th Century and, even then, many card-makers continued to make their own inks.

There are all sorts of recipes for various inks/paints and one find that's recently come to light is a Renaissance book in which the artist described all the colors available to artists of the time.  I think that factors that went into deciding which colors to use were:
-Economics.  What can we afford.
-Aesthetics.  What makes our product look good.
-Technology.  What are we capable of making.  What will last on the paper we're using.

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I sent Depaulis a e-mail this morning.  I'll update the image in my original post as soon as I have an opportunity to edit it and get it down to an allowable size for the board.

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Haven't given up on this.  I now probably know more about the family history of the descendants of Alvin W. Krech than they do. :)  Given what I've found I believe the sheet of cards is either still in the possession of the family or somewhere in the collections of Yale University.  If it still exists.

Shepard Krech, the oldest son of Alvin W. Krech, died in 1969.  At that time Yale University acquired a collection of books illustrated by George Cruikshank.  Alvin Krech was a noted collector of Cruikshank's work.  This indicates to me the collection was probably kept together after Alvin's death in 1928 and broken up in 1969 when Shepard died.  It's possible the collection was broken up earlier as the family sold two leaves from a Gutenberg Catholicon in 1939 and they were also in the habit of donating to museums.

I've written to a couple of Shepard's descendants asking if they know what happened to the sheet but haven't heard anything back.  I'm hopeful I'll hear something in a few weeks.  Realistically I'm going to hear silence, but hope springs eternal.

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Design & Development / Morisca Playing Cards
« on: February 03, 2016, 12:41:34 PM »
Not my project, not my design, not my company.  But the folks who like the really old cards kind of stick together.  Jeannette of Guinevere's Games has a reproduction set of the Morisca playing cards that's getting ready to kickstart.  The Morisca deck is a Southern European deck with some interesting peculiarities (the batons are very close to the design of polo sticks found in Islamic cards of the time period) and it's one of the oldest decks in existence.  Possibly the oldest European deck.  Yes, older than the Cloisters cards or the various hunting decks.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/748531682/209371508?token=663089ea

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Design & Development / Re: A new "Hunting Deck"
« on: January 06, 2016, 05:47:02 PM »
I liked the burgundy border but it's not practical because the edges of the cards will be white.  I think your back design is period-appropriate but as Don points out it will not play well with modern card buyers.  You should, at least, put a white border around the design for the card backs or accept that some people will be turned off by your design.

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Design & Development / Re: A new "Hunting Deck"
« on: January 06, 2016, 02:13:16 PM »
Hi all ... I'm posting pics of some modifications I have made. I have given white edges to the cards, and added single-corner indices (1-9, X, J, Q K). The numbers are rather smaller than on a standard English deck, but they're similar in size to a modern Spanish pattern. For the backs I have done a simple two colour repeating pattern in full bleed.

I've also attached a picture of a mock-up tuck box --- I don't know whether you can make it out from these photos but it uses the card-back design as a sort of texture. Many thanks for all your comments!
If you're going to add indices then you should do so at both corners.  You may also wish to add French suit symbols in the indices.  Non-standard suits don't go over well with the mass market.

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Design & Development / Re: A new "Hunting Deck"
« on: January 06, 2016, 02:10:21 PM »
I just came back from the Fournier museum. They didn't have the original Ambras cards but a reproduction. They are enormous, basically the size of those jumbo cards. I can't see anyone playing with them in any time period. It must have been an art deck.
While that's possibly true, it's risky assigning modern values to medievals.  Conspicuous consumption was a trait of the ultra-rich then as now.  It's entirely possible those cards were meant to be played with and, if they were damaged or destroyed in the process, that just showed how wealthy their owner was.

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Design & Development / Re: A new "Hunting Deck"
« on: December 31, 2015, 01:14:45 PM »
Well, I'm the guy who likes early cards and I really like your work.  If you go on to make changes for those with more modern tastes (which is the bigger market) I hope you'll make this true to the original version deck available through print on demand for those of us that like this sort of thing.

Very nice.

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Design & Development / Re: Deck Numbering
« on: July 24, 2015, 01:14:51 PM »
In the 15th Century some makers began putting the year the deck was produced, and sometimes the location the deck was produced at, on some of their cards.

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Haven't heard back from Simon, I've never really had any contact with Thierry.

In the meantime I've been trying to track down the descendants of Mr. Krech.  I've found the family has made a fair number of donations of materials to libraries and universities around the US but I haven't found the sheet listed in any online resources.

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The Source - Card Collecting 101 / Re: How to make cards?
« on: July 08, 2015, 12:13:57 PM »
You can also go old school and use block-printing and stencil or hand-painting techniques to make your cards.  Simon Wintle's article on World of Playing Cards is a good place to start for that.

Personally I think getting the design elements right is the hardest part.  Some of that can be taught, some of it can be learned, and some of it just seems to be luck or innate artistic talent.

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I'll check with them.  I was hoping some of the 52+Joker members would have a lead on this.

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  This image is a 15th Century printers sheet of a deck of cards sometimes referred to as the 'Censored Deck' on the supposition that the missing court figures were deliberately removed to censor them.  This sheet, the only evidence of this deck, was held by magnate and collector of old documents Mr. Alvin W. Krech.  This sheet was document by W.L. Schreiber in Die Altesten Spielkarten in 1936-ish.  That's the last this sheet was heard of.  I've tried the museums and collections in New York and haven't found any evidence of this.  Some of the Krech collection was broken up for sale but I can't find a record of this sheet being sold.  Some of the Krech collection went to the New York Public Library but I haven't found it there.  There was a Schreiber (female, possibly a descendant of W.L Schreiber?) who made a substantial donation to the Cary Collection at Yale but I haven't found the sheet there either.

I suspect this sheet made its way into a private collection and I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about where it might be?

Thanks.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: New Medieval Deck on Kickstarter!
« on: June 24, 2015, 06:38:02 PM »
Not the kind of deck I buy but very visually appealing.  I've passed your kickstarter on to some folks who might be interested.  Congrats on getting funded and good luck. :)

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Design & Development / Re: ACTIVE playing cards
« on: June 23, 2015, 11:02:53 AM »
I am not a fan of transformation decks but I really like these cards with the white background.  For the card back I suggest something recursive/fractal using the active figures as the component pieces.

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Design & Development / Re: Print-On-Demand Printers?
« on: June 22, 2015, 05:29:54 PM »
I was directed to another printer yesterday: Superior Print on Demand.  I took a look at their site and I think I'll be giving them hard look as they are an American business (owned and operated and producing) in the US.  They also, apparently, have an online sales and fulfillment service.  Again, I need to look at it some more.

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Design & Development / Re: Stukeley Style Deck
« on: June 21, 2015, 10:04:13 PM »
Brilliant white paper is, almost certainly, a modern addition to papermaking.  The use of bleach certainly is.  I was shocked to discover that paper was routinely sized with a mixture of starch and chalk.  This is pretty much the equivalent of painting a surface with gesso.  The paper could then be burnished.  The resulting paper was smooth and very white.  I've been looking into the research other people have done on this subject and it has been fascinating.  I was under the impression that linen formed the bulk of the material that went into medieval and renaissance papers when, in fact, it was hemp.  And some of the stuff they put into the paper to fill it out is pretty remarkable.


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Design & Development / Re: Stukeley Style Deck
« on: June 21, 2015, 03:52:57 PM »
Nice repro work! Cream ground really gives a more mellow look perfect for older styles of art. The images look intriguing, sorta like a cross between regular playing cards and the Tarot de Marseille, especially in the Leaves and Acorns suits. The arrangement of the leaves and acorns remind me a bit of Ogham.

Regarding the colors, I think they look great. Not too stark, but defined. That's always a problem with doing reproduction works - like, should you stick to the original colors the artist used (which were originally bright and gaudy but faded over time), or should you give it a faded, worn look as a nod to its vintageness.
Thank you.  Adding a 'sepia' look to the paper is always a tough decision.  Too much is simply ridiculous but if there's too little people think the deck doesn't look old enough.  This background is actually meant to reproduce the visual texture of a cheap paper from that time period.  It's also meant to complement the colors.  I'm going to do another version of this deck with a different color scheme and a couple of different court figures which will be done on a white background (which is what the cards would have used new).

Thanks for the complement on the colors.  Finding the green 'hiding' in plain sight amongst the blues was one of those really cool moments I occasionally get when studying history.

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