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« on: March 13, 2013, 02:02:52 AM »
 

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Our man Josh Robinson mentioned here that Encarded's coming out later this year with a new deck called Deco.  You can go to the deck's preview page and Encarded's Twitter, Instagram and Facebook feeds to get more info as it becomes available.

Personally, I'm liking the vibe, but bear in mind I live in a town with some of the best examples of Art Deco design found anywhere...  :))
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2013, 09:07:03 AM »
 

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Now that's some good news: brand new Encarded deck. My expectations are high!

I hope we can take a better look at it soon, I'm very curious about what's going to be Paul's take on the courts this time.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 11:12:53 AM »
 

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The theme and the fact it is an Encarded deck makes me curious anough already. Let's wait for some more news.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 02:59:19 PM »
 

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Thanks guys. :)  As I mentioned on the preview page, it will be a while before this one will be completed and I plan on taking everyone along on the design adventure. I'll probably share the full back detail sometime soon but am still experimenting a lot with the courts. Those are, of course, the hardest part of the entire deck. I think the back is easy in comparison.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 07:42:11 PM »
 

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Thanks guys. :)  As I mentioned on the preview page, it will be a while before this one will be completed and I plan on taking everyone along on the design adventure. I'll probably share the full back detail sometime soon but am still experimenting a lot with the courts. Those are, of course, the hardest part of the entire deck. I think the back is easy in comparison.

The thing that will make your job a little easier is that there's so many gorgeous Art Deco works that feature people in them that you'll have many variations on the style to tap for inspiration.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2013, 01:52:12 PM »
 

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Here are a few early previews. Read more at my website.  :)
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2013, 03:47:35 PM »
 

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This two decks are a must buy for me now !!!
 

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 04:33:32 PM »
 

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Looking good, Paul. I take it the faces will be custom? Some of the best aspects of your decks are the custom faces. I love the Tendril courts, and they're probably in my top 5 court cards of all time. :)
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 05:00:42 PM »
 

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Yep, all custom, all the time. :) I'm still working a lot on the courts, playing with various ideas so those will be a little while before revealing.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2013, 05:52:26 PM »
 

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As everyone else has already said, I'm a huge fan of the back design and I think it looks amazing! Good work! Looking forward to see the next sneak peak :) and purchasing the deck when you're done!
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2013, 07:08:15 PM »
 

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This might be a stupid question, but what exactly is the theme? I dont really understand it.
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 07:40:25 PM »
 

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This might be a stupid question, but what exactly is the theme? I dont really understand it.

The theme is based on Art Deco design. Basically what you see in this picture. I'm not sure exactly how you define it but what you see in the picture is considered "Art Deco" or simply just "Deco" like the name of the deck.

Here's the Wikipedia link if you're curious enough or my terribly short answer doesn't suffice :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Deco
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2013, 05:39:45 AM »
 

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Encarded, I will be getting these when it comes out. I love the simplicity and the colours chosen! Keep up the good work!
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2013, 01:30:21 PM »
 

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I posted a couple new mockups of some spot cards. The courts are still in process but things are moving along! http://encarded.com/deco

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2013, 02:23:53 PM »
 

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I posted a couple new mockups of some spot cards. The courts are still in process but things are moving along! http://encarded.com/deco

Wow! Those are some pretty attractive spot cards! I'm definitely looking forward to this deck when it comes out. I like how the suits have been redesigned and done in a way that's not too weird and crazy like many of the decks presented recently.
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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2013, 06:50:40 PM »
 

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Very well done faces. The white cards are awesome.
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2013, 08:25:42 PM »
 

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Very nice Paul. I like the addition of subtle Poker Peek corners.
These designs are ripe for some cool custom Brick or 6PK Boxes!

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2013, 08:59:35 PM »
 

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I like the look a lot.  Just one question - for the peek indices, why are they shown with pip first instead of value?
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2013, 10:50:54 PM »
 

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Very nice Paul. I like the addition of subtle Poker Peek corners.
These designs are ripe for some cool custom Brick or 6PK Boxes!

Thanks, Randy

Wow in my haste and laziness, I didn't zoom in on the picture and didn't notice that what I thought was a "fancy accent" was actually poker peaks! That just made my interest and liking to this deck jump up a bunch!
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2013, 11:02:59 PM »
 

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I like the look a lot.  Just one question - for the peek indices, why are they shown with pip first instead of value?

You know, I actually went back and forth on that. As many of you know, I tend to do things differently than most, but I also thought that having the number on the outside gave more utility if you were playing poker and only peeked a small amount of card, and in a fan you'd get more visual difference as the numbers would mainly show, instead of the pip. When you fan a deck the "normal" way you get a lot of visual variations because you have the number and pip oriented above each other so you see both of them, but when fanning backwards if the the pip was the outermost item you could get a lot of repetition and I didn't think it would be as cool.

I'm not 100% sold either way, but the way I have it now seemed more interesting. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2013, 12:12:19 AM »
 

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I like the look a lot.  Just one question - for the peek indices, why are they shown with pip first instead of value?

You know, I actually went back and forth on that. As many of you know, I tend to do things differently than most, but I also thought that having the number on the outside gave more utility if you were playing poker and only peeked a small amount of card, and in a fan you'd get more visual difference as the numbers would mainly show, instead of the pip. When you fan a deck the "normal" way you get a lot of visual variations because you have the number and pip oriented above each other so you see both of them, but when fanning backwards if the the pip was the outermost item you could get a lot of repetition and I didn't think it would be as cool.

I'm not 100% sold either way, but the way I have it now seemed more interesting.

Well, if you're intending them as a type of "poker peek" index, quick readability should take priority.  Poker players tend to be a traditional lot, and while I hear and read references to the 'seven of clubs", "7C", "7oC" or "7♣" very often, I rarely hear or read "♣7" unless it's in a bridge article, I've almost never heard any of the variants of "clubs seven", and I've never seen "C7" or "Co7" refer to a seven of clubs.

If you want a little more variety and a little more utility, consider putting the indices in those corners at a 45-degree angle rather than vertical.  The point behind the poker peek index is to allow the player to peek at his or her cards without revealing enough of the card to give away the value or suit to a neighboring player, and the 45-degree angle helps because the very tip of the corner doesn't have the index in it - it's a little further in from the corner, in a position that's tougher to accidentally reveal.

But if you simply mean for it to be a decorative device within your design, then go for it and make it however you wish.

I'm REALLY looking forward to see what you're going to do with the court cards, AoS and jokers on this one!
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2013, 01:34:37 PM »
 

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Thanks for the perspective Don. Like I said, I wasn't 100% set either way, so maybe I'll give it a try the "normal" way and see what we end up with. I do want to mix usability with equal parts visual interest, so I'll experiment a little further.
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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2013, 02:44:40 PM »
 

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So if you have an opinion on these things, which style do you like best?

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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2013, 04:15:47 PM »
 

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far right imo looks the best. the angled one kinda just throws my eye for some reason.
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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2013, 08:23:36 PM »
 

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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2013, 08:52:42 PM »
 

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For the middle one to work, you'd need to make it a touch larger and a little further from the corner.  Otherwise, the one on the right looks better.  In fact, even that one should be marginally larger - if the peek is too small, it's not as easy to use.
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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2013, 11:18:49 PM »
 

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I'm with everyone else on this, as they are now, the one on the far right is most attractive. I think because the normal indices and pips are straight, the slanted peaks might not work. But that's my opinion as a collector, not a designer :))
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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2013, 10:41:43 AM »
 

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I like the angled one myself, just purely from a "it's different and unusual" design perspective. "Peeks" mean nothing to me, so I'm not looking it at it from the eyes of an active poker player, just a collector. That being said, I would buy any of the three though.
 

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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2013, 10:42:55 AM »
 

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Following up on the "poker peek" idea, I tried another option. What if we turn that small index 90 degrees? if we do that, we get an interesting visual flow if you follow the pips all the way around the card. Each one rotates 90 degrees and you get a visually circular relationship amongst all of the pips, instead of having the card split into two halves. This mockup also shows an alternate color idea for the Silver deck, to use a metallic blue from the back design in place of normal red pips.

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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2013, 01:12:59 PM »
 

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Following up on the "poker peek" idea, I tried another option. What if we turn that small index 90 degrees? if we do that, we get an interesting visual flow if you follow the pips all the way around the card. Each one rotates 90 degrees and you get a visually circular relationship amongst all of the pips, instead of having the card split into two halves. This mockup also shows an alternate color idea for the Silver deck, to use a metallic blue from the back design in place of normal red pips.

As always, read more at http://encarded.com/deco

It's a neat idea that I think might be liked but personally it's too quirky for my taste. The color of these pips though for the Silver deck is extremely attractive!
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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2013, 01:28:25 PM »
 

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Mockup of how fans work with this type of design. I think it looks quite interesting in both directions...
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2013, 05:55:43 PM »
 

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Mockup of how fans work with this type of design. I think it looks quite interesting in both directions...

When presented in a fan like that, it makes a LOT of sense!  And it would still make an effective poker-peek index, too.
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2013, 11:02:07 AM »
 

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Mockup of how fans work with this type of design. I think it looks quite interesting in both directions...

When presented in a fan like that, it makes a LOT of sense!  And it would still make an effective poker-peek index, too.

And it has the plus of no one every trying to do it that way before, and you probably all know that I greatly enjoy that aspect. If I find something new that is also functional and a little quirky, I think that's where to be.  8)
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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2013, 01:59:27 PM »
 

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Yes? No? Thinking about this small departure...
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« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2013, 02:25:47 PM »
 

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I'm torn, but I lean towards no since your decks have stood well on their own without the Bicycle brand. Whichever you decide, I have no doubt that Deco will be beautiful  :D
 

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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2013, 02:51:33 PM »
 

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I always like the bicycle brand but your first 2 decks did not have it correct? I feel this one should follow suit and not.
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« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2013, 02:54:50 PM »
 

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I always like the bicycle brand but your first 2 decks did not have it correct? I feel this one should follow suit and not.

No, my first two did not, which is exactly why I thought this one should have it! Haha.

I thought that the Bicycle brand, with it's extensive history, would mesh nicely with the overall older and simpler feel of this deck. Harkening back to the past a little while still having some interesting and new ideas no body thought to try before.

(Also, the fact that the curve of the Bicycle logo PRECISELY matched my back design motif seemed destined to go together.  :D  )
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« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2013, 07:06:48 PM »
 

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I'm fine either way, but I'm good like that.

There is the plus that "Bicycle-only" collectors will want it.
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Really liking this deck, been checking in on for a while now. I think you should only use the Bicycle logo if it works with the style and composition you are looking for. I think your past decks (which i need to get me some of) have been great.

With that said doing something to "mix" up the norm that people are expecting from you is a great idea as well. Especially if you can do it with your own already established style.

Great work though! I'll want these with or without the bicycle.

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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2013, 12:57:41 PM »
 

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Thanks Jackson! I'll have a more complete picture of things soon, as the deck is with USPCC now and (hopefully) will have some hard proofs in my hands soon. I had some back and forth with them on the art to tune the detail right. As usual, what I sent the first time was too subtle to actually be printed so that took some massaging. Just like my first two decks... 

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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2013, 03:07:45 PM »
 

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Here you go, just a few more days.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2013, 03:39:20 PM »
 

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Awesome! can't wait.

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« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2013, 07:56:49 PM »
 

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Here you go, just a few more days.

I want to say that it's a good design, and I like it.  But it's not a proper poker pair, just as the black and white Arcanes aren't a poker pair - one is a black deck, one is a white deck, both have different looks to their faces (even if it's only just the color scheme).  A good poker pair would be two decks, different backs, same faces.

But that's not to say this is a bad pair of decks in the least, just as the Arcanes are pretty cool as well.  My two cents, for what they're worth, and I'm looking forward to seeing them in my (hopefully not too sweaty) hands!
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« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2013, 10:22:36 PM »
 

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Here you go, just a few more days.

I want to say that it's a good design, and I like it.  But it's not a proper poker pair, just as the black and white Arcanes aren't a poker pair - one is a black deck, one is a white deck, both have different looks to their faces (even if it's only just the color scheme).  A good poker pair would be two decks, different backs, same faces.

But that's not to say this is a bad pair of decks in the least, just as the Arcanes are pretty cool as well.  My two cents, for what they're worth, and I'm looking forward to seeing them in my (hopefully not too sweaty) hands!

Well, gotta take a few liberties I guess. And think how much flak I would get for being lazy if I only changed up the backs.  ;)
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2013, 08:55:07 AM »
 

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Just a reminder than Deco will be available today around 12pm EST on the ol' Kickstarter. I'll update with the actual link once things are available.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2013, 12:11:38 PM »
 

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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2013, 12:36:29 PM »
 

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Here's the link to the project everyone!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/encarded/bicycle-deco-custom-playing-cards-from-encarded

why the low goal?

very excited about this deck just i have been for every encarded deck!
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2013, 01:11:11 PM »
 

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Here's the link to the project everyone!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/encarded/bicycle-deco-custom-playing-cards-from-encarded

why the low goal?

very excited about this deck just i have been for every encarded deck!

Goal is low because I'll be producing the deck one way or another and wanted to make sure that everyone that supported the project on Kickstarter gets their decks. Things like the Personal Edition deck and coins will be made only as much as needed, but the deck itself I'm dedicated to.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2013, 01:11:57 PM »
 

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Here's the link to the project everyone!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/encarded/bicycle-deco-custom-playing-cards-from-encarded

Again, congratulations Paul :) hopefully you don't enjoy yourself for too long and start on your next creation soon! Haha
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2013, 01:54:29 PM »
 

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Here's the link to the project everyone!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/encarded/bicycle-deco-custom-playing-cards-from-encarded

Again, congratulations Paul :) hopefully you don't enjoy yourself for too long and start on your next creation soon! Haha

Oh I've already got a couple things on the plate. :)
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2013, 03:06:13 PM »
 

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 Sweet! Got in on the $16 early bird.

 Damn I'm a cheap.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2013, 03:14:37 PM »
 

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Sweet! Got in on the $16 early bird.

 Damn I'm a cheap.

Hey man, nothing wrong with that at all. I'm always the guy that backs for 1-2 decks too, I tend to be really picky with my collection.

I'm glad you grabbed at least one pair though. Add on a coin or two now... :D
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2013, 03:40:37 PM »
 

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I will be adding a coin. They look sweet.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2013, 04:02:21 PM »
 

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The production tuck boxes came out pretty awesome. Shiny inside and out.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2013, 04:28:44 PM »
 

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Those all look beautiful Paul but that blue and white is gorgeous.
 

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« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2013, 10:14:55 PM »
 

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I hadn't noticed the peeks either. Really cool.  The first time I looked at the deck. it was just a beautiful, simple, and elegant deck. Then I looked at them again, and it was like I didn't notice that detail on the edge, and know the peeks. The pictures of the tuck layout were ok. Now the real thing just blows the layout pictures away. Awesome job.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2013, 02:26:32 PM »
 

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It was basically impossible to show what the tucks would look like, since almost all the important details was in foil, embossing and metallic inks. Now that I have them in hand they came out even nicer than I hoped.
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« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2013, 02:48:02 PM »
 

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The cards look fantastic. Really classy with incredible design. I cant wait for their release.

I hope you and Jackson can announce a few details about your upcoming project working with each other soon. This would be a great effort with some tremendous cards coming out of your collaboration.
 

Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2013, 01:44:09 PM »
 

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If you hadn't seen elsewhere, Deco is available for preorder on my site and we'll be starting shipments in just a few more weeks. Might want to grab some if you missed out on Kickstarter.

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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2013, 02:18:20 PM »
 

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« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2013, 10:47:17 PM »
 

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I'm a bit late to the party here, but I preordered on Kickstarter in July.

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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2013, 04:14:33 PM »
 

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Posted elsewhere, but in case you didn't see it:

Well everyone, we have an unforeseen issue.

Everything was ahead of schedule and I currently have 5,000 Deco decks sitting in Encarded HQ. Last night I started to go through some of the decks to get the holographic seals on the signed and numbered edition and quickly noticed that most of the decks I was looking at had very bad scuff marks on the sides of the tuck cases where the ink has been worn right off in the finishing process (see pictures below). This is unusual and none of the decks in my personal collection exhibit this problem, and I've personally looked through over 10,000 of my previous deck releases and never ran across this.

Investigating further (my wife and I looked through over 1,400 decks by hand last night), it appears that the majority of the decks, in both colors, have these bad marks on the box. While the cards would be fine, these do not meet my quality standards at all and I don't feel that I can ship these cards out to you. Encarded, as a brand, is all about extremely high-quality and attention to detail. As a collector myself, I know that I would be disappointed to purchase a premium custom deck and have it arrive with noticeable flaws.

As such, I have been in touch with USPCC and to make a long story short, Deco is going to be reprinted. I am going to revise the tuck design today (and will try to make it even more awesome). This is unfortunately going to add a delay to shipments. I was going to start assembling orders this week but obviously that can't happen yet. Deco was a very expensive deck to produce (the box alone cost more than most entire decks) and we need to have them in perfect shape.

I apologize for the delay, this truly was an unforeseen issue! My primary goal is to get you a product that is as close to perfect as possible, and if I could do that without delay I certainly would. USPCC, while they did let this slip through, is making everything right and we'll have a better product in the end.

We were so far ahead of schedule that even with a complete reprint we still might get things done in September, but trust that I'll make this go as quickly as possible while getting you an amazing pair of decks.

Thanks for your patience, and please let me know if you have any questions or concerns!
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« Reply #62 on: August 22, 2013, 09:42:25 PM »
 

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I'm sorry to hear that the current inventory of decks have been spoiled. Factory seconds?

Also, this is why Encarded is one of my favorite card companies: They value quality over everything else.

 

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« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2013, 11:10:32 PM »
 

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Hey Paul, I have some suggestions as to what you can do with the current inventory of flawed decks. I actually received several hundred decks from USPCC that were dented/had printing errors (they refunded it, so kudos to them for that).

- Donate them during the yearly holiday toy drives. Why shouldn't every kid get a new deck of cards to play with? And possibly get introduced to the world of magic/cardistry.

- Ship some to Don here on the forums so he can give them away on his hospital visits

- See if you can sell them in one go to a reseller for $1-2 per deck or whatever you think is fair.

I hope the situation works out in your favor. How did you get USPCC to reprint at no cost? I thought the tuck cases were made and assembled at a third party source?
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2013, 08:40:55 AM »
 

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The vast bulk of these first ones will have to go back to USPCC to be credited against my account, so that the next one doesn't have to paid for out of pocket. Any that I keep I'll have to pay for. They will have to eat the cost of redoing the tucks (which were mad expensive) but this was a flaw they didn't catch. I'll be keeping a small number of this first printing that don't have bad scrapes and will do something with them eventually.

Primary goal at the moment is get the new printing done and perfect so I can get all my customers their stuff. :)
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2013, 09:40:32 AM »
 

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Well the cards are a little delayed, as you know, but the Encarded brand coins came in yesterday and look suuuuhh-weeeeet. I cut it fine and there will probably be less than 10 available in the store so be prepared to fight if you happen to want one. I'll be sure to announce when those are ready and if demand is intense I'll do a small run of version 2.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2013, 10:52:35 AM »
 

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What are they made out of Paul?
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2013, 11:22:43 AM »
 

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Froggo, each coin is pure 24k caret gold plated in platinum and cost me $7300 each. I am selling them at a loss.


(seriously though, they are antique silver finished and without cutting one open I think they are brass inside. They feel really nice in your hand, a tiny bit thicker than a silver dollar but the exact same weight, .9oz)
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2013, 03:38:46 PM »
 

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Just FYI, the second printing will be ready soon. The new tuck boxes are looking great, possibly even better than the first ones (though certainly not as rare at this point  ) Not often do you get to make design changes "for free" but USPCC did a nice job on these new ones.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2013, 08:39:49 AM »
 

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Just FYI, the second printing will be ready soon. The new tuck boxes are looking great, possibly even better than the first ones (though certainly not as rare at this point  ) Not often do you get to make design changes "for free" but USPCC did a nice job on these new ones.

Seeing this makes me wish I didn't quit buying new decks before it was released.
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« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2013, 08:51:24 AM »
 

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Just FYI, the second printing will be ready soon. The new tuck boxes are looking great, possibly even better than the first ones (though certainly not as rare at this point  ) Not often do you get to make design changes "for free" but USPCC did a nice job on these new ones.

Seeing this makes me wish I didn't quit buying new decks before it was released.

Don't worry Don, there will be some in my store, ready to ship, once I get all the Kickstarters and Preorders done.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2013, 10:35:43 AM »
 

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Just FYI, the second printing will be ready soon. The new tuck boxes are looking great, possibly even better than the first ones (though certainly not as rare at this point  ) Not often do you get to make design changes "for free" but USPCC did a nice job on these new ones.

Seeing this makes me wish I didn't quit buying new decks before it was released.

Don't worry Don, there will be some in my store, ready to ship, once I get all the Kickstarters and Preorders done.

I'm still not buying new decks until my wife and I have a new car.  I don't think your stock will last that long!  Even then, I may not - my collection is pretty freakin' huge.
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« Reply #72 on: September 26, 2013, 01:18:09 PM »
 

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These are fantastic. I'll be visiting the Encarded store in the very near future.
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« Reply #73 on: October 29, 2013, 08:55:23 PM »
 

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Hmm my first impression on these was a little lack luster. The details on the backs seemed washed out to me. The design on the backs for some reason don't pop to my eye.

The deck handles well. The stock is nice and stiff. I may need more time with the deck. I do enjoy the simplicity but beauty of the deck. Very well designed I just feel like Paul's designs are ahead of the uspcc's capabilities to print.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #74 on: October 29, 2013, 09:34:32 PM »
 

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« Reply #75 on: October 29, 2013, 09:47:09 PM »
 

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USPCC did a pretty good job on the print (not 100%, but close) and those details were intended to be very subtle. I wanted them to appear solid and simple from viewing distance but take some scrutiny to really see the intricacy and detail. I think they did a pretty good job bringing that to life.
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« Reply #76 on: October 29, 2013, 09:53:23 PM »
 

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USPCC did a pretty good job on the print (not 100%, but close) and those details were intended to be very subtle. I wanted them to appear solid and simple from viewing distance but take some scrutiny to really see the intricacy and detail. I think they did a pretty good job bringing that to life.

It's definitely just a personal thing with me than. I felt that aurum did that because from across a table you couldn't see the fine line work, but from say the distance fr the eyes to a table riffle they were slightly visible.

Also love the blue you used!!! Very Miami, very fitting.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #77 on: October 30, 2013, 10:51:19 AM »
 

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I was very pleased with my first edition decks! They are beautiful and live up to the high standards that I expect from Paul's work! I can't wait to add the second printing to my collection as well!
 

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« Reply #78 on: October 30, 2013, 12:48:37 PM »
 

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I was very pleased with my first edition decks! They are beautiful and live up to the high standards that I expect from Paul's work! I can't wait to add the second printing to my collection as well!

First edition? You mean the original print with a whopping $60 premium Paul charges for the most minuscule difference on the tuck box? Sorry if i'm ranting a bit.. i love Paul's decks as much as the next guy. But charging such a high premium for something so insignificant, especially if it wasnt intended in the first place, is a blatantly obvious money grab. I find this way worse than the multitude of lazy recoloured decks the bigger companies never fail to release. At least they price them consistently.

Justify the price tag however you like. You can say that "Oh but prices are subjective! Why don't you think of it as having the honour to own something so limited for ONLY $60!!!11 Silly Phegget hueheuheue !!111@1", but the facts remain obvious. I for one am looking forward to my '2nd printing', 'inferior' Deco set. To all you guys who purchased the superior, super limited, special '1st edition', congratulations. If it makes you happy, then by all means. That's all that matters in the end. However, no matter how often Paul chimes in on forums, how nice he has seemed, this is still a very obvious money grab. Don't avoid the elephant in the room, guys. I'm sure Paul will do great with sales and he won't let us down in terms of designs in future projects, but, i think it's quite safe to say that my respect for him has dropped tremendously.
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« Reply #79 on: October 30, 2013, 01:16:08 PM »
 

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I was very pleased with my first edition decks! They are beautiful and live up to the high standards that I expect from Paul's work! I can't wait to add the second printing to my collection as well!

First edition? You mean the original print with a whopping $60 premium Paul charges for the most minuscule difference on the tuck box? Sorry if i'm ranting a bit.. i love Paul's decks as much as the next guy. But charging such a high premium for something so insignificant, especially if it wasnt intended in the first place, is a blatantly obvious money grab. I find this way worse than the multitude of lazy recoloured decks the bigger companies never fail to release. At least they price them consistently.

Justify the price tag however you like. You can say that "Oh but prices are subjective! Why don't you think of it as having the honour to own something so limited for ONLY $60!!!11 Silly Phegget hueheuheue !!111@1", but the facts remain obvious. I for one am looking forward to my '2nd printing', 'inferior' Deco set. To all you guys who purchased the superior, super limited, special '1st edition', congratulations. If it makes you happy, then by all means. That's all that matters in the end. However, no matter how often Paul chimes in on forums, how nice he has seemed, this is still a very obvious money grab. Don't avoid the elephant in the room, guys. I'm sure Paul will do great with sales and he won't let us down in terms of designs in future projects, but, i think it's quite safe to say that my respect for him has dropped tremendously.

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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #80 on: October 30, 2013, 02:39:27 PM »
 

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That's why folks had the choice to purchase them if they liked. He didn't force them on anyone. It's supply and demand, and he had no trouble finding folks who wanted them. I am also getting the 2nd edition. I also have Tendril, Aurum standards, white golds, lasers, and lucite. I have everything that Federal 52 encompassed as well, including the limited black. I have every deck that Randy Butterfield has designed, including color variations. I could go on about different designers and companies. I collect, and collect different editions of what I like. It's all personal preference. You chose not to purchase them. Fine by me, it's your money, and that's what you chose to do. If paul makes a penny per deck, that's a money grab too. His design, his cards, his time and effort, him supporting his family. He can charge whatever he likes, people will vote with their wallets. i never implied that the first deck was superior, just that I have it and the design and colors are very cool together, and that folks (including me) waiting for v.2 will be pleased. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #81 on: October 30, 2013, 05:50:10 PM »
 

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I was very pleased with my first edition decks! They are beautiful and live up to the high standards that I expect from Paul's work! I can't wait to add the second printing to my collection as well!

First edition? You mean the original print with a whopping $60 premium Paul charges for the most minuscule difference on the tuck box? Sorry if i'm ranting a bit.. i love Paul's decks as much as the next guy. But charging such a high premium for something so insignificant, especially if it wasnt intended in the first place, is a blatantly obvious money grab. I find this way worse than the multitude of lazy recoloured decks the bigger companies never fail to release. At least they price them consistently.

Justify the price tag however you like. You can say that "Oh but prices are subjective! Why don't you think of it as having the honour to own something so limited for ONLY $60!!!11 Silly Phegget hueheuheue !!111@1", but the facts remain obvious. I for one am looking forward to my '2nd printing', 'inferior' Deco set. To all you guys who purchased the superior, super limited, special '1st edition', congratulations. If it makes you happy, then by all means. That's all that matters in the end. However, no matter how often Paul chimes in on forums, how nice he has seemed, this is still a very obvious money grab. Don't avoid the elephant in the room, guys. I'm sure Paul will do great with sales and he won't let us down in terms of designs in future projects, but, i think it's quite safe to say that my respect for him has dropped tremendously.

To which I say, "So what?"

Paul is a businessman - and that's not a curse word.  He offers the same deck in different packages - no one needs to get the super-uber-ultra-deluxe edition to enjoy the cards.  The expensive packs are for collectors who appreciate those really cool tuck boxes.  But if you just plain want the cards, fine - get the cheapest ones and you'll be plenty happy.

I fail to see any issue here with this.  Paul caters to his market - and that's a bad thing?  Collectors get what they want, mere mortals get what they want, everyone's happy - this is a non-issue.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #82 on: October 30, 2013, 08:13:54 PM »
 

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Ultimately, if you don't want it, don't buy it. I think for the Deco is was an accident how things worked out with a different tuckbox and not the fault of Paul. He put out a call for those interested in buying a very limited deck due to circumstances. I'm one of his Kickstarter backers and didn't think it was worth the price tag. I'm quite fine with the regular 2nd print of the tuckbox.

I think you put it best, Don. Paul is a businessman. He's offering something cool and interesting and if people want it, they can get it. It wasn't like he went down his backer list and force the first 50 people to pay him more for the first print Decos. I'm happy being a mere-mortal collector.
 

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« Reply #83 on: October 30, 2013, 08:47:15 PM »
 

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I thought it was a fair price and if I had the money I would have bought it as a collectors piece.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #84 on: October 30, 2013, 08:59:47 PM »
 

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Then why do you guys hate on the big guys when they release colour changes? Calling those money grabs and Paul a justified business model. You cant pick and choose. Goddamn hypocrites.
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« Reply #85 on: October 30, 2013, 09:27:49 PM »
 

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Then why do you guys hate on the big guys when they release colour changes? Calling those money grabs and Paul a justified business model. You cant pick and choose. Goddamn hypocrites.

I don't mind a colour change, but it depends on the colour. I just don't buy that I don't like. I think the difference is that Paul didn't intentionally create a v1 and v2 tuckbox on purpose to sell. The original tuckbox was scratched up pretty bad due to the metallic on the side of the box during USPCC's process so Paul ended up sending back most of the shipment of Deco playing cards to get the box design fixed up and re-printed. It ended up be an accidental and he took advantage of that.
 

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« Reply #86 on: October 30, 2013, 09:47:10 PM »
 

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Difference is the unintentional prit run? Wow really. What a joke. The mistake from USPCC caused a later delivery. Paul decides to make some extra profit in selling off v1s. Totally justified, and successful as people bought them. Im not saying that he couldnt. At least with colour changes, you get a different coloured back and tuck box.. And is usually charged at normal prices/ used in promotions. Of course in the end it boils down to whether or not you want to buy it, but both are money grabs. Do not pick and choose. Dont bash on the bigger companies and praise the little guy when they are doing the same shit.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #87 on: October 30, 2013, 10:07:14 PM »
 

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I have to say that I just got the cards, and they're absolutely stunning.

Can't see any problem with a later delivery. Hell, I'm still waiting for cards that were funded before the first Deco pics were even posted on  the Discourse.
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« Reply #88 on: October 30, 2013, 11:59:10 PM »
 

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Difference is the unintentional prit run? Wow really. What a joke. The mistake from USPCC caused a later delivery. Paul decides to make some extra profit in selling off v1s. Totally justified, and successful as people bought them. Im not saying that he couldnt. At least with colour changes, you get a different coloured back and tuck box.. And is usually charged at normal prices/ used in promotions. Of course in the end it boils down to whether or not you want to buy it, but both are money grabs. Do not pick and choose. Dont bash on the bigger companies and praise the little guy when they are doing the same shit.

It's not the same as a different deck color.  That, in essence, is a different deck.  What Paul's been selling is the same exact cards from box to box to box.  The cheapest box and the costliest box have the same contents, so if you buy the cheap deck, you're not really missing a thing, unless you're one of those guys who buys cards just for the box.  That's exactly who those decks are for.  Money grab?  Nah, it's a money grab if it's something rare and UNIQUE and costly - these decks are no more or less unique than what's in the proletarian boxes the rest of the world buys.  If it tickles someone's fancy to pay that much extra for a box, more power to him or her - but you don't have to in order to get the same, exact deck, down to the last detail.  If it REALLY was a money grab, ALL the decks would be the expensive ones in the costliest boxes!

Dude, in simple terms, he has a varied customer base and he's offering something for everyone in that base.  That's no crime - that's good business.
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« Reply #89 on: October 31, 2013, 12:04:05 AM »
 

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Don, there's no hope. This guy just wants to be mad about something even though Paul was very transparent through the entire process.
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« Reply #90 on: October 31, 2013, 12:07:32 AM »
 

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I hate color changes when its like Oh hey our red deck when great, lets make a blue, oh its good, lets do with borders, oh lets now do green - we wont do anymore - oh lets do a special club for black, now purple. And its just like WTF why the exact same deck just different colors. Also NOC a bunch of different colors, since thiers had no design to begin with I somewhat give it to them. If Paul was suddenly like I am going to re-print these in orange and green (color does not matter these just came to mind) and kept the exact same card design I would be just as upset with him for trying to make money off it.

What paul did was take something that could have just been a negative - printing errors if I remember right - and try to have something special for collectors. Their are people who collect mis print bills. Why not treat them just like normal bills? Its in oddity compared to the others and collectors like that. Honestly if I made a deck and this happened I would do the same as paul, now if every deck he ever makes has this problem I might wonder whats going on but I still would not be upset.

PS yes I know the black artifice was different then the rest but most of it was the exact same from what I heard.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #91 on: October 31, 2013, 12:52:12 AM »
 

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PS yes I know the black artifice was different then the rest but most of it was the exact same from what I heard.

I was a bit disappointed with that deck.  The choice of white and light gray for pip colors was a mistake - too similar visually.  It's like choosing sky blue and light blue, or grass green and forest green.  The AoC was cool, though - and I got a kick out of seeing a plain AoS for once.  The jokers needed retouching, somehow - the faces look like masks against the black background.  That black background make it look very different in many ways - I'd call it the most unique among the Artifice decks.

But all that's for another topic.  We're chatting about the Deco decks here.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #92 on: October 31, 2013, 01:33:14 AM »
 

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Then why do you guys hate on the big guys when they release colour changes? Calling those money grabs and Paul a justified business model. You cant pick and choose. Goddamn hypocrites.

You have a point and I get it. I also get this is a business which has been stated, money grab or not that is ultimately what business is about, transactions. It just so happens some products put out seem less well executed which makes it seem deck producers don't value their customers. But realize all of these companies would probably be considered small businesses, trying to grow in an interesting and dynamic industry.

I just think it is cool we have so many choices to choose from. Makes it easy to pass up on what I don't like. I don't get the bashing of big and small producers..... But it makes for an interesting and entertaining read @ 11:00 pm and can't sleep.

Thanks for that!

I got the Deco 2nd versions and both uncuts.... I hope they arrive soon
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« Reply #93 on: October 31, 2013, 03:05:23 AM »
 

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i got my Deco decks and coin a few days ago... i really like them, and i get where Paul is coming from on wanting the design in the background to be visible, but not overly apparent. they look like high quality cards (well, they are HQ cards...), but when you inspect them a little closer, the details in the cards are more than they seem. i also have an awesome new coin.  :bosswalk:
i really like the changes in colors of faces, pips, and details between the two decks. these are very fitting shades of each color to compliment the differences, everything works together very well.

Then why do you guys hate on the big guys when they release colour changes? Calling those money grabs and Paul a justified business model. You cant pick and choose. Goddamn hypocrites.

silly phegget! is it that you are upset you can't have one of these awesome decks with the errors? is it that important to you? i got the "v.2" myself, and could care less that another tuck choice exists... nobody withdrew money from my account for it, so i don't care if i didn't get one. to the people that did, and like that sort of thing, i understand this, and i'm personally happy to see them offered, as it was my understanding that this wasn't his intention- it was interested people who asked him if they could possibly get one of these first-printing tucks, of which he then kept a small supply to meet these needs. boy, how could he ever do such a thing!?  >:(
i don't see how this is anything like offering color changes, as John B. said. i mean, maybe it would be similar if one of these "big guys" printed a deck and got the wrong color, mentioned it to explain a delay, and was shown interest by collectors in the "wrong" color. if they then put aside some of these decks (and very few, really) to meet this demand, it would be nothing like just switching colors because they know they can sell them.

and "G.D. HYPOCRITES"? don't you think this is a little much?  :-\ no one here has insulted you for your skewed view of the situation... learn that others are not always going to agree with you. and if the pressing of this issue was any indication, it's most likely pretty common most people aren't going to agree with you. sorry buddy, we are all welcome to our opinions, even if they are abnormal- like yours.  :(
 

Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #94 on: October 31, 2013, 08:56:36 AM »
 

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Wow. You guys really know how to manipulate my words. First off, i mean no disrespect. Excuse my choice of words. That's how i like to articulate and if it offends you, i can't do much about that.

Instead of writing a huge essay to convey my points, i'll keep it simple.

1- I am not butthurt about not being able to purchase the 'v1's'. Don't make it seem like i am just an angry little 13 year old that wants a 'special' edition and don't have the money to get it. Excuse the vulgar expression, but, i simply do not give a single fuck about the v1s.

2- I KNOW THAT THIS IS PURELY BUSINESS. I NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL OR ANYTHING. I am not shouting, it just seems that you guys don't seem to understand anything other than what you have already locked in your brains.

3- If you justify the price tag, and are willing and able to purchase this sub-par premium product for yourself, then that's TOTALLY fine. I am not bashing on you. Again, what makes you happy in the end is ALL THAT MATTERS. I myself love Deco and Paul's other decks (especially Aurum). Once again, i am not a hater.

4- The ONLY point i was trying to get across is that, if you're complaining about the other companies creating slightly different versions and then reselling them for profit, and i mean literally crying about it, then you are absolutely hypocritical in endorsing such practice conducted by Paul. It is the exact same concept.

Don, you're a great guy and you have a worldfull of incredible information. I appreciate that a lot, especially when you take the time to inform us. However, your argument is entirely off the point. You're comparing the physical similarities between a change in tuck box vs a change in colour.. whereas my point is that they are the same in terms of money grab business model. Stop arguing about a point that i never even raised. It makes me look bad in other people's eyes even though you're not even raising a valid counter argument.

Come on guys, i hope that even if you don't agree with me, you at least see that i'm raising some valid points and not just some random guy with no hope, blindlessly hating (Yes this is directed to you Gunshy). Stop riding on Paul's dick and try to see the similarities from an objective point of view.

I have wasted way too much of my time arguing for something i find so straight forward. So, this will be the end of discussion at least from my end. How about we get on topic and post pictures, reviews, comments etc about the actual beautiful deck that is Deco?
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #95 on: October 31, 2013, 09:59:01 AM »
 

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For the record, I've never bashed anyone, large or small, for a color change. Everyone likes different colors so if a design is good, I'll buy my favorite color, and am happy that different folks who have a different favorite color can get their preference as well. If people want to complain about color changes, that's their right.

One thing that I don't htink has been mentioned is the potential price that Paul may have paid for those decks. Did USPCC give them to him for free, or did he have to pay for what he kept? Since they wanted the others back, and most likely paid shipping for them to come back and be destroyed, he very likely paid for those limited decks. $1, $5, $10, what difference does it make. It seems that the assumption is that they were free. That may be true, but thos opposite may be true as well.

Think of this as well...people get in line to snap up "limited" runs of 2,500 decks. JNs weren't technically "limited", and they are $450 a deck. Rarebits aren't limited, but they aren't $10 each either. To pay $30 a deck for a TRULY limited run, is  a bargain in my eyes. He's not screaming "Only 350 will ever be made!!!' while keeping the other part of the 2,500 deck run hidden in his garage and releasing them gradually, to keep prices inflated. Paul is one of the nicest and most honest designers that I have ever dealt with and for those reasons, and his great designs, I have bought a lot of his designs, and a lot of the higher-end decks and displays. He knows that I appreciate his honest and design skills by the fact that I buy, a lot, from him.

Phegget, I think you're getting so much backlash simply because you bashed a known honest designer as an outright thief. If you disagree with what he sells, fine. Don't buy it. Feel free to say that they aren't for you. Had you done that, there wouldn't have been any issue. To bash others who wanted them enough to buy them or have a strong interest, and then call the designer a thief, in 100% out of line.
Look at point 3 above, you can't even express a point. You are telling folks that they are buying a (your opinion) SUB-PAR product, mocking them spending their money on what they want, but a few words later you claim that "I am not bashing you". You type in all caps, then a few words later you claim that you aren't shouting. You call a well-respected designer the equivalent of a thief, and a money grabber, and then say that you mean no disrespect Really? There is a HUGE different between a valid discussion and debate, and a downright argumentative rant. I don't know how old you are, but you sound a lot like one of my teens. If you want to make a valid point, and open up an honest and intelligent discussion about it, you have a long way to go to learn what that involves initially.


And for the record, Paul has sold factory seconds in the past at a significant discount. The v.1 Decos aren't factory seconds, they are the few rare decks that survived a botched printing from The USPCC. Paul takes care of his customers and provides them a great product at a good value, and that's why he and his decks are so popular. NOT TO MENTION the fact that he took USPCC's mistake and turned it into an opportunity to IMPROVE the tuck for the folks who only got v.2. Paul takes care of ALL of his customers, and does the best that he can for them? You're right...he's a jerk. How dare he keep people happy.
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« Reply #96 on: October 31, 2013, 11:00:38 AM »
 

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BiggerDee, I appreciate the response but again, you're manipulating my words. Basically, it comes down to this.

1- I never said you were bashing anyone.

2- Look, how many times do i have to say that i am not angry about the 60$ price tag? You mention JN and Rarebits with their inflated prices. What does that have to do? I'm am not arguing about rarity or anything that like. That was never my point! My point was simply addressed to the hypocritical comments hating on bigger companies and then praising Paul's decisions which are the same (Again, i am not talking about physical similarities either).

3- Please don't make wild assumptions that i think Paul is an "outright thief". I have never said that. You're basically shoving words in my mouth. I don't want anything to do with you shoving things in any part of me. Please stop doing that. His business model is completely legitimate and i have no problem with it.

4- I never discredited Paul's honesty.

5- I have never mocked anyone in buying Paul's product. Again, my point is directed at the hypocrites who pick and choose.

6- I clarified that i wasnt shouting when using Caps Lock. What's wrong with that? Does using Caps lock automatically make me a shouting, disrespectful 'Phegget'?

7- How is my discussion any less honest and 'intelligent' as yours? I simply have a different point of view. If you can't grasp that, and think age has any play in that determination, then, well, i don't think i'm the one that "has a lot to learn".

8- I never made the connection between second run Aurum/Tendrils and these Deco v1s?

Mate, you're completely misunderstanding what my point is. I don't know how much clearer i can make it for you to be honest. I know a few other languages and i can- spaek liek dis, if that will help you understand. For the sake of saving time, can we please all be friends, with different opinions, and get back on topic? The argument is clearly being abusive now and i don't want to rustle your jimmies anymore.
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Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #97 on: October 31, 2013, 12:45:55 PM »
 

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All right, folks, that's enough!

Phegget, BiggerDee, magnacat and anyone else who wants to continue this nonsense: take it to a new topic.  We've clogged this one quite enough.  And let's keep it civil.

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Re: Deco, by Encarded
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I, for one, have posted the last comment that I will make on it, and I agree that it's nonsense. Thanks Don.
 

Re: Deco, by Encarded
« Reply #99 on: October 31, 2013, 02:18:20 PM »
 

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Boy, I go out of town for a day and look what happens! :)

I see both sides of things like this, but as Don mentioned I do have customers on all sides of the fence. In this unique case with Deco, I don't think a comparison to a "color change" is accurate. When we speak of color changes as "money grabs", it's because producers are taking an existing design, making a small change and printing thousands upon thousands more and selling them all. In my case, Deco was damaged. It was not sellable. If I had shipped out the first printing as-is many customers would have been frustrated and let down, and I would have implied that I didn't care about quality.

So, to avoid that, I looked through 5,000 decks of cards by hand and picked out just the few that were ok. I did not personally need to keep 60 pairs of that deck for myself so I decided to offer them to the collectors that value rarity and owning something unique. Everything has a value and trust me, it is very very hard to determine price points that balance "fair" with the "mystique/collectibility" factor.

It's nice to make money, sure, but I don't sit around and try to find ways to gouge people. Some of the things I've made haven't sold well, and maybe it was because they were too costly. So, those kind of things are losses and sit around my house until I reduce prices, give coupons, add on freebies, etc. I am proud of everything I've made but marketing is a tricky road. :)

So in the end, every one has an opinion and I certainly know that nothing will ever make every single person happy. It's impossible, but I do try to be transparent, honest, and "not evil" and so far I think that has worked out pretty well. I do greatly appreciate everyone sharing their opinions on matters like this as it does help me learn more about the market and my customers and I do aim to treat everyone well.

Thanks!

And now, back to regularly scheduled Deco-ing.
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