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I'd like to announce the First Annual "Cardies" - the Playing Card Awards - nomination period is two months from midnight Monday (12:01AM Tuesday) for two months, closing on 31-August at 11:59PM (all times Eastern).  This year we're doing five categories, but starting next year we'll expand to about 15-18 or 20.

Those five this year are: "Most Creative Design", "Best Deck Accessory", "Best Deck Series", "Best CrowdFunding Campaign" and "Best Overall".  After that two month nomination period we'll determine the Top 25 in each of those five categories and have a public vote from a few days later until the end of November, and award the trophies around the 1st of December.  The cutoff period is August 1st, anything delivered on or after that date or that successfully crowdfunds on or after that date will be eligible for next year in the 2nd Annual 2015 "Cardies".

It's going to be an annual thing, and we're looking for advertising from partners and friends and encourage you to share it to Social Media, etc - as often as you can!  We hope everyone do their best and help make the "Cardies" a success!  We're keeping it pretty simple this year, but next year we'll roll out the red (and black) carpet!  Nominations Here
« Last Edit: June 29, 2014, 12:33:32 AM by Mike Ratledge »
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what about all the decks that get created after August? Thats why they have the Oscars in February the following year.
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what about all the decks that get created after August? Thats why they have the Oscars in February the following year.
Actually I put that in there and somehow the message got all hosed up, and anything that happens on or after August 1st is eligible next year for the 2015 2nd annual 'Cardies'.  I knew I was still missing something when I looked at it the third time.  Sorry...  I need a little more sleep - it's been a l-o-o-o-n-g week!

Thanks, Jackson!  I fixed the OP and came back and updated this one as well.
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what about all the decks that get created after August? Thats why they have the Oscars in February the following year.
Actually I put that in there and somehow the message got all hosed up, and anything that happens on or after August 1st is eligible next year for the 2015 2nd annual 'Cardies'.  I knew I was still missing something when I looked at it the third time.  Sorry...  I need a little more sleep - it's been a l-o-o-o-n-g week!

Thanks, Jackson!  I fixed the OP and came back and updated this one as well.

Then is really weird to call in 2014 Playing Card Awards. August 2014 to December 2104 decks could win the 2015 awards? Huh?
 

 

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When is the 'The Discourse' Playing Card forum Award night?  ;)

We do like the Academy does - we wait for the year to end!
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When is the 'The Discourse' Playing Card forum Award night?  ;)

We do like the Academy does - we wait for the year to end!
Awesome!  :D That is way better than half way through the year, so exciting!
 

 

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It's halfway through the year because UC also has its 2014 best of the year awards,  which recognize the best decks in different categories and the artists who produced them,  but is also geared towards rewarding the members with awesome prizes.  The Cardies is a different format and open for everyone to participate,  even non UC members.
 

 

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When is the 'The Discourse' Playing Card forum Award night?  ;)

We do like the Academy does - we wait for the year to end!

That makes sense to me. I know a few designers (and I don't mean me) that are going to have decks come out after August as well as in the new year during 2015. Seems cutting it off at August will always leave winners with asterisk by their names. Nobody likes to be an asterisk winner.
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It's halfway through the year because UC also has its 2014 best of the year awards,  which recognize the best decks in different categories and the artists who produced them,  but is also geared towards rewarding the members with awesome prizes.  The Cardies is a different format and open for everyone to participate,  even non UC members.

Then they should call it the First half of 2014 Awards*, or the January to July 2014 Awards* or the Arbitrary 2014 Cut Off Awards*.
 

 

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Technically it's not arbitrary,  I just gave you a reason why it was set at that time. If you really wanna be specific I suppose we could call it the 2013-2014 Awards? Since this works so well for school years in the US,  right? In the US, the school year starts in August/September and ends in May/June.  So to specify a school year,  it'd be SY 2013-2014.

Good news is,  artists releasing decks past August are still in the running for the UC or the Discourse end of the year awards.   ;) :D
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I don't want to be insulting....

BUT...

In order for any award to have validity in an industry, the institution for which is giving the award should be recognized as being credible by the industry.

UnitedCardists and Mike are surely names we know. Mike himself is a credible businessmen and is a very knowledgeable person in the industry.  BUT... Unitedcardists is not the leading authority of playing card communities anymore.

Adding LoopCuts involvement to an award makes this award NOT credible at all. LoopsCuts/Robert Butler go hand in hand with creating new projects that don't quite fulfill their objective. I still have not received a refund from Robert for the Eco Clip. If I ever got an award with any connection to Robert, I would throw it in the garbage.

I don't know what you guys are thinking?

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I don't want to be insulting....

BUT...

In order for any award to have validity in an industry, the institution for which is giving the award should be recognized as being credible by the industry.

UnitedCardists and Mike are surely names we know. Mike himself is a credible businessmen and is a very knowledgeable person in the industry.  BUT... Unitedcardists is not the leading authority of playing card communities anymore.

Adding LoopCuts involvement to an award makes this award NOT credible at all. It would be like Bernie Madoff having an award for investors. LoopsCuts/Robert Butler go hand in hand with creating new projects that don't quite fulfill their objective. I still have not received a refund from Robert for the Eco Clip. If I ever got an award with any connection to Robert, I would throw it in the garbage.

I don't know what you guys are thinking?

Must there really be a "leading authority" for this sort of hobby? If so, who do you think would qualify as the "leading authority" and what would be the criteria for it's selection?
 

 

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I don't want to be insulting....

BUT...

In order for any award to have validity in an industry, the institution for which is giving the award should be recognized as being credible by the industry.

UnitedCardists and Mike are surely names we know. Mike himself is a credible businessmen and is a very knowledgeable person in the industry.  BUT... Unitedcardists is not the leading authority of playing card communities anymore.

Adding LoopCuts involvement to an award makes this award NOT credible at all. It would be like Bernie Madoff having an award for investors. LoopsCuts/Robert Butler go hand in hand with creating new projects that don't quite fulfill their objective. I still have not received a refund from Robert for the Eco Clip. If I ever got an award with any connection to Robert, I would throw it in the garbage.

I don't know what you guys are thinking?

Must there really be a "leading authority" for this sort of hobby? If so, who do you think would qualify as the "leading authority" and what would be the criteria for it's selection?

And if there is one does there need to be a 2013-14 School Year Annual Playing Card Awards?
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Everybody is always a nay-sayer.  Anything that came out from August 2013 until the end of next month is eligible for nominations, and again - we already have our own 2014 Deck of the Year awards coming for UC member in January, just like we always do.  Last year we gave away more than $3500 in retail value in prizes, and this year I've already got more stuff than I can give away so I capped the value at $4000 and I'm working on the "2015" stash.  That means that the average value of the prizes this year will be over $200 and nearly $250, with the top prize value around $500 just for voting in a contest.  If anyone can do better, point me the way, please.

I agree that adding Bobby is/was/will be controversial, but he's just like anyone else that deserves an opportunity to redeem himself.  Ade Suryana designed the graphics and card clips, and we've got one more graphic artist doing some more design work as well.  I suppose I could always ask Lorenzo, Lotrek or (can't say) to do something, but they would be wasting their time when they could be working on "what's next".  I'm flexible, so we might move it slightly, it's not cast in stone - yet, but I don't want to get like "the Academy" and be awarding prizes to movies that nobody but them has every seen yet, either - just so they can say they "include" everything that year - they don't: they include movies the Academy CHOOSES to include from basically January and February release coming out the following year.
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Wait. You get prizes for voting?
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Wait. You get prizes for voting?
In the UC annual Deck of the Year contest?  Sure, we gave away 18 prizes last year and Jackson added 3 more after-the-fact - really nice, sweet groupings of his decks that were a truly nice gesture!

The "Cardies"/PlayingCardAwards?  There will be some random things for voters that are small things, like UC2014/Grotesque decks, a card clip or three, things like that.  The trophies go to the 5 category winners.
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Everybody is always a nay-sayer.  Anything that came out from August 2013 until the end of next month is eligible for nominations, and again - we already have our own 2014 Deck of the Year awards coming for UC member in January, just like we always do.  Last year we gave away more than $3500 in retail value in prizes, and this year I've already got more stuff than I can give away so I capped the value at $4000 and I'm working on the "2015" stash.  That means that the average value of the prizes this year will be over $200 and nearly $250, with the top prize value around $500 just for voting in a contest.  If anyone can do better, point me the way, please.

I don't think people have a problem with giving away prizes and what not. That's shifting the discussion. The problem is calling it a 2014 award and cutting off decks from August to December 2014. Change the name to the Mid 2014 Cardies Award or whatever and have the 2014 Deck of the Year Awards that cover August to December 2014...wait, they would cover January to December 2014, right?

Can you see where this makes absolutely no sense. It's not being a nay-sayer, it's a common sense issue. It's a manufactured award with craziness built in from the very foundation.

Offering prizes is really nice, but by mentioning it you're not focusing on the key issues.

If you're looking for a a way you can do better, it's easy to point to a simple solution. Have the 2014 awards cover January to December. Or don't call it the 2014 awards.
 

 

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Everybody is always a nay-sayer.  Anything that came out from August 2013 until the end of next month is eligible for nominations, and again - we already have our own 2014 Deck of the Year awards coming for UC member in January, just like we always do.  Last year we gave away more than $3500 in retail value in prizes, and this year I've already got more stuff than I can give away so I capped the value at $4000 and I'm working on the "2015" stash.  That means that the average value of the prizes this year will be over $200 and nearly $250, with the top prize value around $500 just for voting in a contest.  If anyone can do better, point me the way, please.

I don't think people have a problem with giving away prizes and what not. That's shifting the discussion. The problem is calling it a 2014 award and cutting off decks from August to December 2014. Change the name to the Mid 2014 Cardies Award or whatever and have the 2014 Deck of the Year Awards that cover August to December 2014...wait, they would cover January to December 2014, right?

Can you see where this makes absolutely no sense. It's not being a nay-sayer, it's a common sense issue. It's a manufactured award with craziness built in from the very foundation.

Offering prizes is really nice, but by mentioning it you're not focusing on the key issues.

If you're looking for a a way you can do better, it's easy to point to a simple solution. Have the 2014 awards cover January to December. Or don't call it the 2014 awards.
No, in fact there are absolutely no issues except those the drama queens seem to dream up to counter the real-world observations that the Oscars from the Motion Pictures Academy are anything BUT an annual award, although they are certainly presented as such.  If you disagree with that, then either you're quite unobservant or just argumentative.  They are giving away trophies for movies that for all intents and purposes do not yet exist, for anyone except the motion picture industry - including those that in some cases are never actually shown.  Admittedly that is the exception rather than the rule, but it has happened - numerous times, and every single year the give out trophies for movies that don't premier until at least two months after they get the awards.  Now, seriously - just how much sense does that make?

PlayingCardAwards will be an annual thing, this year we are starting out with a simple 5-category nominations and voting.  If you don't like it - I suggest that you don't nominate nor vote - pretty simple.  Interesting that all I have gotten from industry insiders is kudos for being innovative, but I listen.

The awards will ALWAYS run be for Playing Card Deck (and campaigns) that were run or delivered from August the prior year until the middle of the nominations period, which will ALWAYS be from August 1st until September 30th.  The nominations will be counted and the top 25 in each of the five categories will be validated to be within that timeframe or they will be 'silently discarded'.

After that, around the 10th of October until November 30th there will be an online voting process that is fair, equitable and universal - not focused on any certain group nor private in nature as my previous endeavors have all been (limited to UC membership only).  The voting won't need to be tallied, it will be counted in real-time, although the "Likes" will not be publicly posted for obvious reasons. We will have procedures in place to prevent "ballot stuffing", which - knowing this community - will certainly occur otherwise.  For some reason the nominees can't resist to notify everyone that has ever purchased one of their products to vote, whether or not they even care for that specific deck (campaign, whatever) or not.  As usual, I've thought this out quite a bit.  During the first week of December the winners will be announced and the trophies presented.  Do I expect media coverage this year?  Beyond the Playing Card community, not really.  Will it be promoted outside our small specific and closed group in the future?  You bet it will!

We've even given thought to making it basically exactly like the Motion Picture Academy or Arts and Sciences holds their votes, by offering ballots only to key industry people, but that's not going to happen this year - perhaps next?  Never-the-less, I'm quite certain that someone - at least one if not numerous people - will pull some sort of chicanery.  It's just unavoidable in our little world.

Weill it be totally fair?  If I can help it, it surely will be.  Will it be completely impartial?  As far as myself, I have no vested interest in the outcome, I simply wish to honor the excellent progress that has occurred in our industry over the past 11 (by late August 12) months.  Am I getting paid to do so?  Quite in opposite, I'm paying for it all out-of-pocket, along with Bobby Butler.  Am I aware of his previous problems and the general feelings of many people in the industry? You must be living under a rock, I suppose if that's what you assume, in fact I was responsible for routing out  a bit of it myself, to the point that I know more than anyone else exactly what happened.  Am I an overly forgiving person?  Perhaps.  Does it make sense to have a witch hunt and ride him out on a rail?  I don't think so - your mileage surely will vary.  Does it bother me?  Not one little bit.  Is all of this too much for me to handle with me opening a new global business here in one month, hosting the 2014 "52+Joker" convention here in my hometown of Charleston, etc, etc ad nauseum?  Nope, it's how I run: wide open all the time, always have, always will - I'll slow down when they chunk me in the dirt.

Do I expect everyone to be happy?  Surely you jest?  There IS no consensus in this industry, in fact the only consistency is inconsistency.

OK, nothing to see here for the most part - move along, now...
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No, in fact there are absolutely no issues except those the drama queens seem to dream up to counter the real-world observations that the Oscars from the Motion Pictures Academy are anything BUT an annual award, although they are certainly presented as such.  If you disagree with that, then either you're quite unobservant or just argumentative.  They are giving away trophies for movies that for all intents and purposes do not yet exist, for anyone except the motion picture industry - including those that in some cases are never actually shown.  Admittedly that is the exception rather than the rule, but it has happened - numerous times, and every single year the give out trophies for movies that don't premier until at least two months after the yget the awards.  Now, seriously - just how much sense does that make?

PlayingCardAwards will be an annual thing, this year we are starting out with a simple 5-category nominations and voting.  If you don't like it - I suggest that you don't nominate nor vote - pretty simple.  Interesting that all I have gotten from industry insiders is kudos for being innovative, but I listen.

The awards will ALWAYS run be for Playing Card Deck (and campaigns) that were run or delivered from August the prior year until the middle of the nominations period, which will ALWAYS be from August 1st until September 30th.  The nominations will be counted and the top 25 in each of the five categories will be validated to be within that timeframe or they will be 'silently discarded'.

After that, around the 10th of October until November 30th there will be an online voting process that is fair, equitable and universal - not focused on any certain group nor private in nature as my previous endeavors have all been (limited to UC membership only).  The voting won't need to be tallied, it will be counted in real-time, although the "Likes" will not be publicly posted for obvious reasons. We will have procedures in place to prevent "ballot stuffing", which - knowing this community - will certainly occur otherwise.  For some reason the nominees can't resist to notify everyone that has ever purchased one of their products to vote, whether or not they even care for that specific deck (campaign, whatever) or not.  As usual, I've thought this out quite a bit.  During the first week of December the winners will be announced and the trophies presented.  Do I expect media coverage this year?  Beyond the Playing Card community, not really.  Will it be promoted outside our small specific and closed group in the future?  You bet it will!

We've even given thought to making it basically exactly like the Motion Picture Academy or Arts and Sciences holds their votes, but offering ballots only to key industry people, but that's not going to happen this year - perhaps next?  Never-the-less, I'm quite certain that someone - at least one if not numerous people - will pull some sort of chicanery.  It's just unavoidable in our little world.

Weill it be totally fair?  If I can help it, it surely will be.  Will it be completely impartial?  As far as myself, I have no vested interest in the outcome, I simply wish to honor the excellent progress that has occurred in our industry over the past 11 (by late August 12) months.  Am I getting paid to do so?  Quite in opposite, I'm paying for it all out-of-pocket, along with Bobby Butler.  Am I aware of his previous problems and the general feelings of many people in the industry? You must be living under a rock, I suppose if that's what you assume, in fact I was responsible for routing out  a bit of it myself, to the point that I know more than anyone else exactly what happened.  Am I an overly forgiving person?  Perhaps.  Does it make sense to have a witch hunt and ride him out on a rail?  I don't think so - your mileage surely will vary.  Does it bother me?  Not one little bit.  Is all of this too much for me to handle with me opening a new global business here in one month, hosting the 2014 "52+Joker" convention here in my hometown of Charleston, etc, etc ad nauseum?  Nope, it's how I run: wide open all the time, always have, always will - I'll slow down when they chunk me in the dirt.

Do expect everyone to be happy?  Surely you jest?  There IS no consensus in this industry, in fact the only consistency is inconsistency.

OK, nothing to see here for the most part - move along, now...

Wrong.

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RULE THREE - THE AWARDS YEAR and DEADLINES
 
1. The required Los Angeles County qualifying run (described in Rule Two Paragraph 2) must begin
between January 1, 2014, and midnight of December 31, 2014.
 

 

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Interesting that you would use their rules - only to prove them wrong, but - never-the-less, the rules might well be what they SAY is required, but if the MEMBERS view them during that time they still have not been released to the public, and every single year for the past 40 years they have awarded at least one trophy to some non-existent movie, as far as the viewers are concerned.  They allow those movies that have been viewed only by the academy to qualify, when in fact they have not yet been released, in fact last year there were some 4 or 5 awards given to movies that had not yet premiered in theaters.  It's kind of a spurious argument on your behalf, since we're not allowing things that have not yet been delivered (or campaigns not yet run) - or would you prefer we predict the future?
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Interesting that you would use their rules - only to prove them wrong, but - never-the-less, the rules might well be what they SAY is required, but if the MEMBERS view them during that time they still have not been released to the public, and every single year for the past 40 years they have awarded at least one trophy to some non-existent movie, as far as the viewers are concerned.  They allow those movies that have been viewed only by the academy to qualify, when in fact they have not yet been released, in fact last year there were some 4 or 5 awards given to movies that had not yet premiered in theaters.

Viewers don't vote. Members of the academy do. They have access to see all the movies nominated, either in the theaters and/or on DVD in case they've missed them in the theaters. The movies are indeed released as per the rules in order to qualify. To say a "non-existent movie" received an award is nutso on your part. Just because you haven't seen the movie, shouldn't be the barometer for existence.

It's kind of a spurious argument on your behalf, since we're not allowing things that have not yet been delivered (or campaigns not yet run) - or would you prefer we predict the future?

Don't predict the future. Don't use 2014 in the awards, unless it's from January 1st to December 31st. Make the cutoff for decks SHIPPED during that time period. Voila.

You can have the last world. Obviously this is your push on the card industry, and you've made up your mind. When someone sees everyone else as Drama Queens, the problem goes farther than that person's perception.
 

 

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I don't - I just see people arguing for the sake of either arguing or hearing themselves.  It's August 1, 2013 to July 31, 2014 for this year - and for every year following.
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I don't - I just see people arguing for the sake of either arguing or hearing themselves.  It's August 1, 2013 to July 31, 2014 for this year - and for every year following.

A deck from September 15th, 2013 could win the 2014 award?

Why is August 1, 2013 to July 31, 2014 better than January 1, 2014 to December 31st, 2014? Seriously.

Oops. Didn't let you have the last word...LOL
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I don't - I just see people arguing for the sake of either arguing or hearing themselves.  It's August 1, 2013 to July 31, 2014 for this year - and for every year following.

A deck from September 15th, 2013 could win the 2014 award?

Why is August 1, 2013 to July 31, 2014 better than January 1, 2014 to December 31st, 2014? Seriously.

Oops. Didn't let you have the last word...LOL
I suppose you think it should be the 2013.75 awards?  Nevermind...  Sorry to be so bull-headed, this was as we intended all along so as not to screw up the UC2014 Deck of the Year awards that are a tradition "over there".  Just like having excellent "You heard/saw/got it here first" things, and my "Something Wicked This Way Comes part xx" games.  We have fun over there.  It's curious that the only new posts I ever see here are my own unless I am in the vintage and antique decks (or 52+Joker) area.
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