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« on: November 07, 2014, 09:34:42 AM »
 

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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2014, 02:48:51 PM »
 

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The creator's right - it's a good deck for cardmen.  But at that price?  Too high.

More and more people asking higher and higher amounts for decks.  If it was some kind of full-custom job, maybe.  But this is standard faces with a recolor and an elegant but very simple back.  It's nice, but not $15-a-pack nice.  He compares his deck to NOCs - those are five bucks plus shipping!
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2014, 08:21:05 PM »
 

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The creator's right - it's a good deck for cardmen.  But at that price?  Too high.

More and more people asking higher and higher amounts for decks.  If it was some kind of full-custom job, maybe.  But this is standard faces with a recolor and an elegant but very simple back.  It's nice, but not $15-a-pack nice.  He compares his deck to NOCs - those are five bucks plus shipping!

Thanks for your comment! This playing cards is printed and shipped from Taiwan, so that 1) I can set the goal in low, and 2) I have to include the worldwide shipping fee in each pledges. I understand this project looks a little bit pricey, but however when you back this project, I will bother you if you make sure the country and check the fee and add on the pledge blah blah blah...

To tell the truth I can't make any money with this project. Hope it makes sense to you
 

Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2014, 08:30:59 PM »
 

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Hello Kei izumi, welcome to the discourse. :)

I'm not bothered too much by the price. A KS needs to fund, there has to be a price point to enable this to happen. I like the card backs as I'm a sucker for a strong red deck and I do enjoy solid backs. I also like the recolor of the courts. The joker design, is that a bulls eye or a button?

I think the tuck is nice too. It's simple, clean, tasteful and red. Really like the look of the wood cases as well. Having trouble deciding which tier I'd like to pledge for, but I will absolutely be in for this deck. :)
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2014, 08:40:01 PM »
 

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Hello Fes! Thanks for your comment! English is my second language and I hope you understand what I mean :)
Also this is my first project on Kickstarter. I will answer all questions as much as possible!

The joker design, is that a bulls eye or a button?

I'm a photographer and the joker design is my logo that presents a camera lens. But a bulls eye is much better...I'll say like that since now lol
 

Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2014, 10:16:07 PM »
 

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Hi Kei izumi,
Welcome!!! I am not a fan of the standard faces but that will never be what I expect from a "custom" deck. If the backs are special then I might be interested.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2014, 01:17:33 AM »
 

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The creator's right - it's a good deck for cardmen.  But at that price?  Too high.

More and more people asking higher and higher amounts for decks.  If it was some kind of full-custom job, maybe.  But this is standard faces with a recolor and an elegant but very simple back.  It's nice, but not $15-a-pack nice.  He compares his deck to NOCs - those are five bucks plus shipping!

Thanks for your comment! This playing cards is printed and shipped from Taiwan, so that 1) I can set the goal in low, and 2) I have to include the worldwide shipping fee in each pledges. I understand this project looks a little bit pricey, but however when you back this project, I will bother you if you make sure the country and check the fee and add on the pledge blah blah blah...

To tell the truth I can't make any money with this project. Hope it makes sense to you

Actually, you can - in the ballpark of US$5 a pack, in fact.

I estimate that a simple deck like this would cost under $3 a pack - there no real extras like embossing, metallic ink, custom seal, etc.  It's a ballpark figure based on USPC pricing - the actual cost would likely be less, as Legends and Expert both manage to charge less than USPC.  Both of those two companies share a common print shop located in Taipei.  And these are high-end estimates, based on a short print run.  I'll round this to $3 anyway.

The deck would likely ship in a small pouch or box - boxes tend to offer better protection, vital for an overseas mail delivery.  Doing a little conversion, I estimated a box size for a single deck at 12.7 x 12.7 x 6.3 cm.  The typical poker deck is 8.8 cm x 6.35 cm, with thickness being variable depending on stock used.  I estimated a generous 2 cm for thickness, larger than even a pack of casino-grade Bee from USPC.  With packing material, I came up with a weight estimate of just below 0.15 kg - this assumes a typical 2.3-ounce deck with the weight of bubble wrap and the box.  Chungwa Post increased this to 0.169 kg based on box dimensions.  The cost to ship one deck to the US as an International Air Parcel is 220 New Taiwan Dollars (NT$), or US$7.19 at the current exchange rate.

So, the estimated cost to you to make and ship a single deck to the US is a little more than US$10.  There's not a soul on this forum who would deny you a profit margin - only interns work for free!  But to charge $15 and say you're going to lose money is a serious stretch, as I see it.  It's either that or your printer is seriously overcharging you.  People can and do lose money on small orders of one or two decks - but in this scenario, that's simply not the case.  Even at 125% of my estimates - a piratical price, indeed - you're making over US$2 per deck.

The NOC decks, with which you compared your deck, still manage to make it to the Blue Crown in New York from a printer in Taipei (they switched away from USPC recently, citing increased costs and design restrictions) and they only charge US$4.95 plus domestic shipping to US customers - less if purchased in larger quantities.  Delivery for a single deck by First Class mail is US$3.61.  Total charge to customer is under US$8 for a deck that was printed in Taipei (slightly higher if the buyer is in New York State due to sales taxes).

In short, it's a great deck, especially for a magician, but it's a bit too expensive.  I really do like the design, but as a magician myself I'm interested in finding inexpensive decks of decent quality and easy availability - something that will continue to be printed, as opposed to a limited edition.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2014, 01:39:58 AM »
 

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Thanks for your estimation! Kickstarter is not for Japanese creator, so when you compare with other project the Play Fair looks overpriced because of expensive international shipping fees. So I would like to answer the questions as clear as possible (Sorry for my poor English by the way)

In short, it's a great deck, especially for a magician, but it's a bit too expensive.  I really do like the design, but as a magician myself I'm interested in finding inexpensive decks of decent quality and easy availability - something that will continue to be printed, as opposed to a limited edition.

Personally I don't prefer a limited deck. If this project is funded and I get some money I can sell this deck in the magic store. At that time I can sell this in low price like NOCs. But now all pledges contain some fees and eventually these look relatively expensive.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2014, 02:05:50 AM »
 

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Thanks for your estimation! Kickstarter is not for Japanese creator, so when you compare with other project the Play Fair looks overpriced because of expensive international shipping fees. So I would like to answer the questions as clear as possible (Sorry for my poor English by the way)

In short, it's a great deck, especially for a magician, but it's a bit too expensive.  I really do like the design, but as a magician myself I'm interested in finding inexpensive decks of decent quality and easy availability - something that will continue to be printed, as opposed to a limited edition.

Personally I don't prefer a limited deck. If this project is funded and I get some money I can sell this deck in the magic store. At that time I can sell this in low price like NOCs. But now all pledges contain some fees and eventually these look relatively expensive.

So in essence, you're telling your potential backers that your deck will be sold for less at retail than what they would be pledging for it now - in fact, as low as one-third the price (about one-half to two-thirds when shipping is accounted for).

This is a big mistake.  It will encourage your potential backers to simply wait until the deck is in stores - in which case, they never actually become backers and the project never hits its goal.

Give your backers an INCENTIVE, a reason for buying the deck here and now, in your project.  Right now, they don't just look expensive - they ARE expensive.  Jackson Robinson can put together a beautiful deck with embossing, foil, print inside the box, custom seal, fully-custom faces and pips and so on and have it shipped to any US address for $15 - it's what he charged for most of the decks from his "Federal 52" series of decks.  You're charging the same price for a deck that, while elegant, is also rather plain and basic.

Don't get me wrong, I like your deck.  However, minus all those extras, it is not a good value in comparison.  $15 is expensive for a pack of cards, even with delivery included.  ESPECIALLY if you're planning to sell it for LESS at a later date!  Doing that is like giving your project a death sentence!
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2014, 02:48:53 AM »
 

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ESPECIALLY if you're planning to sell it for LESS at a later date!  Doing that is like giving your project a death sentence!
I just talked about "if." I have no plan so far. Please do not expect for these future plans. (Sorry for my poor English)

I will order the minimum number of deck and again I can make no money with this project. I want to make the deck I want to use myself, and it would be nice if other people will agree with my concept.
 

Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2014, 12:36:37 AM »
 

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Someone please educate me on this style of deck. I'm not putting the deck down, but why is this style deck great for cardist? I get the Virts or another ornate pattern deck that really is flashy. I get the NOC's- nothing on the back to distract. Just seems to me the writing on the back would take away, or distract from the performance.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2014, 02:26:53 AM »
 

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Someone please educate me on this style of deck. I'm not putting the deck down, but why is this style deck great for cardist? I get the Virts or another ornate pattern deck that really is flashy. I get the NOC's- nothing on the back to distract. Just seems to me the writing on the back would take away, or distract from the performance.

It would be no different than the cards upon which the design is based, most popular being the brown Wynns.  I don't think the Wynn logo distracted all too many people when seeing the deck perform.

Some cardists like flashy.  Some cardists want the art to be the focus of attention, not the cards, so they like plain.  It's an individual's preference.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2014, 11:13:10 PM »
 

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Happy Holidays BLACK FRIDAY Backers!

The project is now over 80%, so to celebrate, I will give you ONE DECK FOR FREE if your pledge amount is over $59. Whatever you order, as long as the total is over 59USD, you will get an extra free deck.
 

Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2014, 12:02:54 AM »
 

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Not a bad deal there at all. I went ahead and added the other color card clip, since it will have a deck in it now with my increased pledge.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2014, 09:00:13 PM »
 

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I really like the simplicity but I do feel as if the whole cost thing needs to be tweaked.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2014, 09:36:34 PM »
 

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The Play Fair deck is funded... congrats Kei, I'm genuinely delighted for you brother!  :D

I don't usually like minimalist back designs, such as the NOC, Fontaines, etc. I did like the Wynns, because they were one of the first to use that sort of design. However, for some reason I like the Play Fair design.

It kind of reminds me of the Bee Quality deck. I didn't get the blue or red Bee Quality deck, but I got the brown version (which wasn't printed by USPCC), and that deck handled brilliantly. Maybe it's because of that why I like the Play Fair deck.

I am going to back the project... but before I do, I have a question regarding the cards.

(Don't worry, I'm not going to ask about any details regarding the factory, or whether you're printing with the same factory that LPCC or EPCC use.)

It's pretty simple: which already-released cards are the Play Fair cards likely to feel most similar to?

Will they have a stiff and slick feel to them which is similar to the Legends and Exquisite cards, or will they have a flexible and more paper-like feel to them like the Owl Eyes cards... or will they have a completely different feel altogether?
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2014, 12:05:37 AM »
 

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I didn't get the blue or red Bee Quality deck, but I got the brown version (which wasn't printed by USPCC), and that deck handled brilliantly. Maybe it's because of that why I like the Play Fair deck.

 ???
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2014, 03:07:31 AM »
 

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I didn't get the blue or red Bee Quality deck, but I got the brown version (which wasn't printed by USPCC), and that deck handled brilliantly. Maybe it's because of that why I like the Play Fair deck.

 ???
How did a USPC-branded deck NOT get printed by USPC?

Don, unlike the blue and red decks, the brown deck wasn't Bee branded -- it simply had the quality deck back design on both sides of the box.

Even the ace of spades was a custom design, pretty much based on the Jerrys Nugget AoS.

Although there was no copyright info or additional info printed on the tuck box, it's pretty obvious that the brown Quality deck was printed at the Taiwan factory used by EPCC and LPCC.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2014, 06:49:44 AM »
 

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Thank you all! I was surprised and I couldn't sleep well last night! (it was 2am when it was funded!)

It's pretty simple: which already-released cards are the Play Fair cards likely to feel most similar to?
Well, I have one sample, and from my little experience the printing quality is similar to "Quality Bee Brown." Most of my pro close-up magicians said this is great more than NOV v3 that is printed in Taiwan as well.
 

Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2014, 07:01:48 AM »
 

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Thanks a lot Kei, for the fast response to my question.

That's pretty much what I wanted to hear -- high quality card stock and coating is as important to me as the design of any deck. By the sounds of it, your Play Fair deck does have that high quality feel that I'm after.

When I finish work and get home tonight, I'll put in my pledge for a brick. Cheers :D
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2014, 12:28:21 PM »
 

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Don, unlike the blue and red decks, the brown deck wasn't Bee branded -- it simply had the quality deck back design on both sides of the box.

Even the ace of spades was a custom design, pretty much based on the Jerrys Nugget AoS.

Although there was no copyright info or additional info printed on the tuck box, it's pretty obvious that the brown Quality deck was printed at the Taiwan factory used by EPCC and LPCC.

I didn't know, and it wasn't clear from your statement, that the brown Quality deck wasn't a Bee deck.  That's interesting to know, since the Quality decks aren't exactly common on this side of the Pacific Ocean.

Are you SURE it was the same factory?  According to Bill Kalush, they (EPCC and LPCC) have exclusive rights with that printer.  In essence, if you walked to their front door in Taipei and knocked, asking to print a deck, they'd refer to you Expert in New York.

In addition, I tried looking up the printer once, when I was researching a previous deck made by them, only to learn the number of printers in Taipei is about as large as the number of meters from here to the Moon...  Are you SURE is wasn't another printer?
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2014, 03:19:34 PM »
 

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The reason why I am pretty certain that the deck was printed at the factory used by LPCC and EPCC, is because of the cards themselves -- there may be plenty of printers out there in Taiwan, but I doubt that any of them can get those same precision, the same ultra-smooth edges, and have a card stock and coating that can match LPCC's and EPCC's decks.

Furthermore, the tuckbox looked like it the exact same style of tuck box construction as LPCC decks from last year (and before).

To me, the cards felt like EPCC cards -- maybe a very slight variation.

I wouldn't be surprised if EPCC had a hand in creating that deck.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2014, 12:07:19 AM »
 

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The reason why I am pretty certain that the deck was printed at the factory used by LPCC and EPCC, is because of the cards themselves -- there may be plenty of printers out there in Taiwan, but I doubt that any of them can get those same precision, the same ultra-smooth edges, and have a card stock and coating that can match LPCC's and EPCC's decks.

Furthermore, the tuckbox looked like it the exact same style of tuck box construction as LPCC decks from last year (and before).

To me, the cards felt like EPCC cards -- maybe a very slight variation.

I wouldn't be surprised if EPCC had a hand in creating that deck.

Ah, but Kei's deck, according to his statement, is similar to the Quality brown deck - and it WASN'T by either company.  (Was it?)  It's not impossible that lightning struck twice in the same city and that there's another high-grade printer out there making playing cards.  They're just tougher to find than a black needle in a needle warehouse with the lights off.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2014, 08:11:34 PM »
 

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Don,

That's like saying that just because there is another card printer in the USA, lightening can strike twice whereby the other printer can produce cards exactly like USPCC -- everything from the card stock, the tucks, and even the magic finish. Just being in the same country doesn't necessarily mean that two printers will have the same abilities.

I'd personally be very surprised if another printer was able to replicate what EPCC and LPCC print via their secret factory.

Whilst it wouldn't be fair for us to ask Kei to give us details regarding the printer that he's using, we can definitely speculate and take guesses.

Although it is likely that Kei is using a high grade printer whose cards none of us have tested so far, I'm personally not ruling out the possibility that he access to the LPCC and EPCC Taiwan printer... after all, the Owl Eyes deck, and the various Fatboyeatallday decks weren't printed by LPCC or EPCC.

It's possible that Zenneth and the team that made the Owl Eyes decks were only able to use the Taiwan printer after getting the blessings of Lawrance and Bill... but the point is that neither decks were printed with LPCC or EPCC. And so it could be possible that Kei was able to get a similar agreement.

Anything is possible these days... but as I said, all we can do is speculate. We'll probably know better once we get the cards :D
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2014, 05:08:04 AM »
 

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That's like saying that just because there is another card printer in the USA, lightening can strike twice whereby the other printer can produce cards exactly like USPCC -- everything from the card stock, the tucks, and even the magic finish. Just being in the same country doesn't necessarily mean that two printers will have the same abilities.

I'd personally be very surprised if another printer was able to replicate what EPCC and LPCC print via their secret factory.

Whilst it wouldn't be fair for us to ask Kei to give us details regarding the printer that he's using, we can definitely speculate and take guesses.

Although it is likely that Kei is using a high grade printer whose cards none of us have tested so far, I'm personally not ruling out the possibility that he access to the LPCC and EPCC Taiwan printer... after all, the Owl Eyes deck, and the various Fatboyeatallday decks weren't printed by LPCC or EPCC.

It's possible that Zenneth and the team that made the Owl Eyes decks were only able to use the Taiwan printer after getting the blessings of Lawrance and Bill... but the point is that neither decks were printed with LPCC or EPCC. And so it could be possible that Kei was able to get a similar agreement.

Anything is possible these days... but as I said, all we can do is speculate. We'll probably know better once we get the cards :D

Well, there's speculation and there's fact.  The fact is that the printer that both companies use is running exclusively for them, based on what I was told by a man who should know, since his name's the one on the dotted line of at least some of the contracts.  Between the two of them, they're doing a LOT of work already, enough to keep the plant rather busy with their projects alone.

Believe it or not, it is indeed possible for another US factory to replicate USPC's work in terms of quality.  The main reason why such a company doesn't yet exist is that USPC is practically a monopoly and the competition from cheap decks from overseas makes it nearly impossible to compete in the "general sales" category of the card printing business.  But with custom work, it's a whole 'nother ball game.  The only thing lacking there is someone with the resources, wisdom and intelligence willing to take a hunk of USPC's bread and butter off the table.  I'm seeing more and more small printing operations spring up that make playing cards, and not all of them outsource the work to another country.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
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Hello guys. Finally the Play Fair project has been successfully funded! Thanks for your all supports from Japan! Kei
 

Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
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15 Play Fair decks arrived at my residence yesterday... and Kei was spot on -- the cards really do feel very very very similar to the Brown Quality deck.

The paper itself appears to be the same as what LPCC and EPCC use for their Diamond and Master finish cards, respectively. ‎If it's not the exact same paper, then it's at least 95% similar.

The difference, is the coating. Diamond and Master Finish cards have that incredible slickness to them, hence the superior glide. The coating on the Brown Quality deck and the Play Fair deck is less slick... as a result, moves like push-through false shuffles are a harder to do, where as with Diamond/Master finish it is effortless. However, don't get me wrong -- the Play Fair cards are still very impressive and the overall handling for the is excellent. As I've already said, almost the exact same handling as the Brown Quality deck.

Kei said in his last update that the borders turned out thicker than he wanted... but personally, I think they look much better this way -- makes them look more like a proper casino deck. I like it.‎

The price for these decks included worldwide shipping... and so 15 decks for $125 makes them the best priced decks I've received from any KS campaign. I should have picked up a few more!

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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
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Very nice HolyJJ. You're making me excited to get my paws on mine haha. They should be here I guess later this month probably. I decided I should check out those snappy looking wooden boxes as well as the decks.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2015, 09:00:23 PM »
 

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Fes, when yours does arrive, please do post your verdict on them over here at PCF.

Seeing as the handling on this deck is different, I'm personally interested in reading and hearing about what people think about this one.

In my opinion, this handling is very much suited to, well, fair play in a casino environment... after all, shuffling and (fair) dealing is what cards are used for in casinos. In which case, the lesser slickness (in comparison to the diamond and master finish by LPCC and EPCC) wouldn't be a detriment, as cardistry, false shuffles, and magic would be non-factors.
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Re: Play Fair: A Custom Deck of Cards (KS)
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Fes, when yours does arrive, please do post your verdict on them over here at PCF.

Seeing as the handling on this deck is different, I'm personally interested in reading and hearing about what people think about this one.

In my opinion, this handling is very much suited to, well, fair play in a casino environment... after all, shuffling and (fair) dealing is what cards are used for in casinos. In which case, the lesser slickness (in comparison to the diamond and master finish by LPCC and EPCC) wouldn't be a detriment, as cardistry, false shuffles, and magic would be non-factors.

I'll do that, absolutely.
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