Sorry, I've edited the first post.

Just thought I would throw this up here (I think thats the thing to do),
I am currently in a trade with Sinsandman. I am sending him 3 Karnival Inferno Decks, and 1 Inferno Uncut. He is sending me 1 Vortex and 1 White Monarch.

Due to a slight delay my end, his went out today (which may count as monday, I'm not sure). I don't know when he sent his but I trust I'll recieve them in good time

I completely forgot about S&M V1 (I am not a D&D fan...) and when I said prized deck, I meant the kinda of deck that people either struggled to get hold of, or were very limited. Personally I'd take a sepia Split spades lions over monarchs, or even better - the tally ho split spades. But usually in deck collection videos and forums the decks I mentioned get special attention; with the influx of custom cards, most decks are in 2,500 deck print runs which means a gold label spectrum is 2 as rare as BG1E, but that was never released for sale. It gets confusing lol

So, if I am right, I believe there are around 8-10 rare decks, that people 'prize'. These would be:

Jerry's
BG1E
Gold Arcane
Black and White Fan Back Set (together or not at all I say).
Red Artifice
White Monarchs
White Centurions
Brown Wynn
Cage Gardens
LTDs

So my question is, what do you guys think these are worth? The market tends to flux, and people differ on whether the decks get more expensive or less expensive. E seems to be out of BG1E and I don't know if LTD really took off like Gold Arcanes and BG1E did. So can anyone give me a price list on these decks? I'd rather expertise, not just ebay searches. Thanks

Quote from: hazofhorsham on January 11, 2013, 06:57:47 AM

Sounds good
I like the courtcards and the video has an annoyingly catchy song in it My favourite thing has to be the plastic characters you are offering however, be prepared for a huge backlash against $8 shipping, and early birds not being made avaliable to international customers.

Luckily I don't care for this deck at all so I don't have to complain about shipping!  But yeah, the lack of early bird to International is a real slap in the face, quite insulting and no reason for it.

Aha I kinda agree, I rarely back on kickstarter, at the moment I've backed the ancients and Sean Whelans new deck. I try not to complain about shipping anymore :L but the early bird thing stung a little, I visited when there were only three backers, and to be excluded was a bit like ouch... But priorities are priorities, I just hope it gets funded.

Sounds good
I like the courtcards and the video has an annoyingly catchy song in it My favourite thing has to be the plastic characters you are offering however, be prepared for a huge backlash against $8 shipping, and early birds not being made avaliable to international customers.

Does anybody know of any good Mechanics/Card Sharp/k books? Obviously the expert at the card table and phantoms at the card table are musts, do you know any others?

Yeah I suppose What are you offering... PM?

Is there anything you don't know? Haha thank you.

I like it, in the last few years there have been a few oriental-ish decks. We've had the red, blue, gold dragon backs, the gong and the zodiac, the game of deaths and the china towns, not to mention the legendary deck we'll soon see from DB. So you really have to push the mythical creature side of this deck.

I assume on each ace we'll see a different creature (Like phoenix on the ace of hearts) - I like that idea.

Who are you aiming at? As a card collector I love this, I love the back and the corners - however some magicians like two way backs, and I don't think this is totally two way.

Who were you thinking of printing with, and what other things would match this deck?

I love it when somebody finishes a design and brings it up for a few tweaks, it means that we can hope to see it quickly, but our inputs are valued. Keep up the good work

So... What's up with this guy?
I have a long history with Merz, and for a while I was sort of an advocate of his. I liked him... Before I got wise.

I first came across him watching a deck collection video (I don't know about you guys, but I do this weekly/biweekly). They held up a deck I had never seen before, and that made me think it was rare. I mean we've all heard of a Gold Arcane, or BG1E and you don't need to own them to know about them, but to see a deck that you'd never heard of, you get thinking. That deck was Bicycle Tie Dye. I googled it, amazoned it, ebayed it and eventually found it for sale - $60. I believe I was 14 at the time, I said no dice.

A year or so later I found it on amazon for £9 ($13.50), with a birthday 2 weeks away I promptly emailed my mum a link with a hope. I luckily received the deck and I was stupidly excited, you have to know that the favourite part of my collection is the brick of bicycle coloured rider backs. I was a little disappointed with the jokers but I loved the deck and it advertised Merz67.

That was when I became aware of him and I have to say I was impressed. Over the last few years I have read a lot of bad things about him; all of which I agree with. The barrage of his 'clip art' decks is awful. I'll only buy another one if I become really rich and really completist.

However I maintain he is a strong seller, I recently bought the david blaine magic deck trio for £14 ($21)  including shipping to the UK (Other people in england should know how good value this is). I also stumbled upon his Amazon UK identity - "Now that's a deal" is the only UK trader to sell trace decks, the animal skins deck and even the tie dye deck. From there I got a few cheap bikes, including a Dessert Shield Secret Weapons deck for £5 ($8) with shipping.

I recently became aware of the fact that bicycle promote him on their website - so who the F is he? He isn't John from acekingcards, or Mike from bmpokerworld or Jason from 1Eyedjack. I can't seem to find any information on him other than his mysterious name - who is he? What are his connections? How can he ram 3000 clip art decks through bicycle every year?

I know some of you know just about everything, any info on this guy?

Hey guys,
I thought there should be a topic for designers that want to get their decks made, and don't know too much about the flaws/issues they may hit. Whilst I haven't completed a project on Kickstarter, I've done extensive research and back a few projects. On top of this we have plenty of members that have experience (Alex, Paul, etc) or very knowledgable ones (Don, etc).

So hopefully this helps for new comers.

The first thing to note is that Kickstarter costs... A lot. After kickstarter and Amazon take their cuts you are looking at 90% of what is pledged. What does this mean? Say you list a deck as $10, you'll lost $1 to amazon and kickstarter - if your margins are tight, be careful.

You really have to sell. Some of the most successful projects have been from those that are present in the forums. If people interact with you, and you are selling yourself as well as the project, more people will jump on.

Momentum, once a project starts to gather momentum things seem to take care of themselves, the hard bit is getting it up and going.

Your goal. When setting your goal beware that you really have to reach it, but it also has to cover your costs. There is no point having a $10,000 goal, reaching it and then defaulting. From what I've seen, I'd recommend $17,000-$20,000.

Shipping. This is a major gripe of mine, but I'll try to stay neutral. Most american based designers offer free domestic shipping. Be warned if you offer this, you will be hit hard. But it is something people expect. What most seem to do is exploit the international shipping because aside from a pledge level on the galvanic playing cards, no one offers free international - that'd be suicidal. What I will add though is that if your international is too high people just won't pledge. For example, a recent deck had $8 price, $7 shipping. A) Do I value the deck at $15? B) Can I justify the price of the deck in shipping? The answer is normally, wait until the aftermarket. Because I will probably be able to pick it up from a reseller for about $10, and pay only a couple dollars shipping (I usually buy a brick or more from resellers of all the new cards that year. One time I bought 50 decks from BMPoker, this makes shipping literally a dollar). Does this matter? If you're circle city cards, no. If you are new and fledgling and need every backer you can get, don't alienate people. I for one would rather a higher deck price and cheaper shipping - for some weird reason $10 deck, $5 shipping would get me.

State and distributer tax - dependant on what state you are in, you may be liable for certain taxes, and so you should look into getting what I believe is called a sellers certificate. I am not american so I don't know the proper terms; any help Don?

Extras - Some popular kickstarters have had extras, CCC had dice and brick boxes, Tendril had card clips, nearly all have uncuts. Read around, and do some polls on what people think will suite your deck. Maybe a t-shirt? or some stickers. It depends upon your deck, for example the tendril clips looked amazing (Still waiting for one though) and so did the deck, and so protection was a good idea. Cosmo's spectrum deck needed uncuts to do justice to it. It's all relative to your design.

Anything I missed?