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Title: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: badpete69 on June 27, 2014, 11:16:15 PM
Jetsetter Playing Cards- Re-launch (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulruccio/jetsetter-playing-cards-printed-by-legends-playing?ref=users)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulruccio/jetsetter-playing-cards-printed-by-uspcc (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulruccio/jetsetter-playing-cards-printed-by-uspcc)

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Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Rose on June 28, 2014, 12:46:03 AM
Great start, I would like to see more of the deck. Where are the number cards?
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on June 28, 2014, 12:52:41 AM
Great start, I would like to see more of the deck. Where are the number cards?

The deck is using standard USPC faces for all but the jokers and the Ace of Spades.  So if you want to see the faces, pick up a pack of Bikes or Bees, thumb through it, etc.  :))

It's not a bad design idea, though it is a little bland.  Though I will say that the back bears a striking resemblance to the taxi area around LaGuardia airport by midday on any given day!  I once spend over two hours taxiing around while the airline waited for an open gate.  I offered to let them park it in my driveway, but they said no...

It would make for a decent magician's deck.  My big question is why use the signage as your inspiration when there's so many cool airline deck designs out there already?  He could have tweaked one of those and had some fun with it!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: MrMollusk on June 28, 2014, 03:13:20 AM
It's an easy pass for me.

The artwork's pretty bland. Sure, it works as a magicians deck because of the standard faces and simple design, but what's the point of paying a premium for it? There's plenty of other cheaper, custom decks that would work better as a magician's deck. The concept isn't particularly interesting either.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Magic_Orthodoxy on June 28, 2014, 09:58:37 AM
call me crazy, but I am a sucker for simple done well. Vintage inspired tuck design and a simple back design - this is a deck I would use for play any day of the week.  :D
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: formula on June 28, 2014, 10:43:29 AM
I quite like these but I feel like they would need something extra for me to part with money. I like the idea of actually using them while flying but they're not striking enough to warrant a purchase.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on June 28, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Hello everyone.

I was invited to come check out the thread here. Thanks for the invite.

Although the face cards will be standard, I am considering the idea of adding a "secret" within the faces that will give clues (along with social media clues) and need to be deciphered to where various rewards have been strategically placed around the US. It has already been planned. Just need to decide.

I am more than welcome to answer any questions. I'll be popping in when I can.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on June 29, 2014, 12:52:11 AM
Hello everyone.

I was invited to come check out the thread here. Thanks for the invite.

Although the face cards will be standard, I am considering the idea of adding a "secret" within the faces that will give clues (along with social media clues) and need to be deciphered to where various rewards have been strategically placed around the US. It has already been planned. Just need to decide.

I am more than welcome to answer any questions. I'll be popping in when I can.

Please let us know if and when that becomes a feature.  Personally, however, it sounds more like a gimmick and would distract from the deck's primary purpose, don't you think?  We're talking about a designer deck of cards in a short print run, not some multimillion-copy children's book like "Masquerade".

I know you said airport signage was your inspiration, but I'm actually not seeing that much in the design.  For example, I never see a sign at the airport with a zillion little jet planes pointing in different directions.  OK, that's very literal, but why not go for elegant and simple?  THAT'S what airport signage is to me - quick and to the point.

Imagine if you will a back that more closely resembles an airport map of a fictional airport you create.  Simple, stripped-down representations of the buildings, the runways, parking lots, etc.  Terminals marked "A", "B", "C", etc.  It's easy enough to make radial symmetry out of such a design.  A simple repeating pattern like this just seems a little too bland.

Also, I know you want traditional courts, and that's great.  But perhaps you can jazz them up just a little.  Maybe color their clothes to match the uniform colors of a specific airline.  If you wanted to get a little fancier, replace the traditional court clothes with uniforms and crowns with pilot hats.  But do SOMETHING, even if it's just using a darker (or brighter) shade of red on the red pips, to make the deck stand out just a little bit from the pack of Bicycles on the rack by the register selling for $3 each.

And that ace...  It looks like it has a belly, the way you put the print inside of it.  Think "flying ace" and see what you can come up with.

Those are my opinions, for what they're worth to you.  I do consulting for deck designers on the side.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 01, 2014, 06:14:21 PM
Don,

Great feedback! I really appreciate this input. I will be looking to make some improvements to the standard faces. It just makes sense. Thanks!

Best,
Paul
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 03, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Here are two potential changes to the back design.



Thoughts?
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on July 04, 2014, 12:48:14 PM
Here are two potential changes to the back design.



Thoughts?

Skip #3 - it's a one-way design.  Poker players avoid them.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 04, 2014, 09:34:04 PM
I flipped it and tested the design. Should be a two-way design. Where are the inconsistancies?
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on July 04, 2014, 11:21:55 PM
I flipped it and tested the design. Should be a two-way design. Where are the inconsistancies?

Look at the image below.  I took the bottom right corner, copied it, rotated it 180 degrees and placed it perfectly over the top left corner.  To make it more apparent, I even colored the white border blue - that change in the shade of green wasn't actually added by me, don't know how it got there, maybe it was my software, maybe it was yours, doesn't matter.

What does matter is that you can see some edge mismatching, and you'll also note that the superimposed corner has an edge at the left border that's different from the rest of the left edge - there are variances on how much of the airplane images gets covered by the border.  The difference is subtle, but there is indeed a difference.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: volantangel on July 06, 2014, 06:19:47 PM
Don what are you smoking ? Are you saying that you can spot a flipped card in a deck with a without a mircoscope and a ton of time on your hands ? You are better off working on the border differences caused by printing.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on July 06, 2014, 06:54:28 PM
Don what are you smoking ? Are you saying that you can spot a flipped card in a deck with a without a mircoscope and a ton of time on your hands ? You are better off working on the border differences caused by printing.

I don't smoke.

Look at those two airplanes I boxed in.  One has a wing that touches the border.  The other doesn't.  Don't need a microscope.

Dude, I wear GLASSES and I can spot that.  If you can't, you need to get your eyes checked.  And that's just one difference - there are more.  :))  Diagonal patterns are a bit more complex to make two-way - this is NOT two-way.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: MrMollusk on July 06, 2014, 09:45:39 PM
Don what are you smoking ? Are you saying that you can spot a flipped card in a deck with a without a mircoscope and a ton of time on your hands ? You are better off working on the border differences caused by printing.

I see it too. There's actually a lot of discrepancy on the diagonal back.
The differences become very apparent when you riffle the cards. I made a gif to simulate that.

(http://i.imgur.com/uMSuJPf.gif)

Listen to Don, bro. He knows what he's talking about!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 06, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
This is good. I'll make the adjustments.

But... wow. I do not know how I missed that row that is completely off its line.

Thanks for the GIF. I'll be making the adjustments by Wednesday night and posting an update on Kickstarter with that being the final back design.

Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Rose on July 07, 2014, 08:53:28 AM
Yes, Don and Mr Mollusk are magicians when when comes to spotting discrepancies.  ;)
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 10, 2014, 02:56:55 AM
Here's the improved diagonal design. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 11, 2014, 01:49:26 PM
Received a nice mention outside of the playing card community.

http://www.aviationqueen.com/now-taking-off-jetsetter-playing-cards/

This blog is considered one of the top blogs for aviation enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on July 11, 2014, 05:34:25 PM
Here's the improved diagonal design. Thoughts?

I'm assuming you fixed the symmetry issues...

Make them just a tiny bit larger.  Imagine your planes were the diamonds in the diamond-back pattern of a pack of standard, off-the-shelf Bee playing cards.  Bee has, in each vertical column, approximately 8 diamonds, and that's without a border.  Those planes of yours will look tiny - you have a border and a vertical stack that's eleven planes high.  I mean, you can still go with it as is, but I think you'd want the planes to be more easily seen.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on October 29, 2014, 11:02:23 PM
Jetsetter Playing Cards will be coming back. New tuck case is planned to have:

- White Matte Finish Tuck
- Blind Embossing Airplane (front)
- Traditional Embossing

(http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6752.0;attach=15872)
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on October 30, 2014, 12:39:20 AM
Jetsetter Playing Cards will be coming back. New tuck case is planned to have:

- White Matte Finish Tuck
- Blind Embossing Airplane (front)
- Traditional Embossing

(http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6752.0;attach=15872)

We'd love to see the design changes, I'm sure - hopefully before you launch.  Better to catch any potential issues now rather than post-launch.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Rose on November 01, 2014, 06:28:34 AM
May I suggest you incorporate the plane into the AoS.
(http://i.imgur.com/qGHUHsw.jpg)
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on December 22, 2014, 10:30:30 AM
Here are the latest mockups (see attached) of the Jetsetter Playing Cards. These will be printed by Legends Playing Card Company if funded on Kickstarter.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: HolyJJ on December 25, 2014, 10:23:16 AM
I like this new design a lot more than the previous version -- a lot cleaner. Despite it being even more simplistic, I do think it's more classy.

As far as I can tell, it is a proper way way back design, and as it uses traditional courts (I personally am not a fan of heavily customised courts), it's great for use in games. If possible, please do let us know what the AoS is going to look like.

I'm looking forward to being a backer when this project goes live :D
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on December 26, 2014, 11:02:50 AM
I like this new design a lot more than the previous version -- a lot cleaner. Despite it being even more simplistic, I do think it's more classy.

As far as I can tell, it is a proper way way back design, and as it uses traditional courts (I personally am not a fan of heavily customised courts), it's great for use in games. If possible, please do let us know what the AoS is going to look like.

I'm looking forward to being a backer when this project goes live :D

HollyJJ,

Thanks! LPCC and I really wanted to make the deck classier and still hold on to the functionality of the deck so I'm glad that's what you noticed. And you're right, the back is a two-way back design. I have attached the Ace of Spades to this post... let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on December 26, 2014, 12:36:03 PM
The design is simple and clean.  I really have nothing bad to say about it, but there is one issue.  I don't have anything great to say about it, either.

This would have been a great KS design about two or three years ago.  These days, something this plain has a hard time gaining traction.  I'm not saying it has to be a fully-custom re-do, but for having a name like "Jetsetter", there's little to evoke it other than the card backs (a simple, repeating pattern), the Jokers (which often get left in the box if not discarded) and the Ace of Spades.

Don't get me wrong - it's a bit bland, but that's not always a bad thing.  Simple is playable and it's great for magic.  But what will people pay for bland, as opposed to something a little more interesting and cohesive in its theme?  Bland can be had at the corner store for $3 or less (more if you live in an expensive city) - something has to make this deck more compelling for it to have a better shot.

Thanks in part to airlines like Pan Am and American, blue is one of the more common colors associated with flight and commercial airlines.  Perhaps a blue color scheme for the courts and backs, maybe a nice dark blue for the black suits?
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on December 26, 2014, 12:58:39 PM
The design is simple and clean.  I really have nothing bad to say about it, but there is one issue.  I don't have anything great to say about it, either.

This would have been a great KS design about two or three years ago.  These days, something this plain has a hard time gaining traction.  I'm not saying it has to be a fully-custom re-do, but for having a name like "Jetsetter", there's little to evoke it other than the card backs (a simple, repeating pattern), the Jokers (which often get left in the box if not discarded) and the Ace of Spades.

Don't get me wrong - it's a bit bland, but that's not always a bad thing.  Simple is playable and it's great for magic.  But what will people pay for bland, as opposed to something a little more interesting and cohesive in its theme?  Bland can be had at the corner store for $3 or less (more if you live in an expensive city) - something has to make this deck more compelling for it to have a better shot.

Thanks in part to airlines like Pan Am and American, blue is one of the more common colors associated with flight and commercial airlines.  Perhaps a blue color scheme for the courts and backs, maybe a nice dark blue for the black suits?

Don,

Thank you for chiming in. I have actually been waiting to see what your feedback would be. I agree with you, I have an uphill journey on the relaunch... especially with the simplistic approach but I'm confident this deck can get funded and more importantly, be played with when backers receive their decks. LPCC and I discussed making the deck even more simple, which in turn will make it classy and elegent. Compared to the orginal design, I think we pulled it off. Adding to the classy and elegent style, we are hoping to use a new material for the tuck but that has yet to be determined - I'd say this would justify the price slightly over the $3 corner store deck. If the majority of my backers from the first campaign return and enough new backers come on board, I'm optimistic the deck will fund with the new lower goal.

I agree with you regarding the blue with commercial aviation. However, I have two specific communities I want to focus on out of the gate in no particular order... the private aviation (luxury jets) community and the playing card community (players, magicians, and even cardists - I welcome collectors but I am not looking for this deck to be collected). I know many in commercial aviation dig the design too (and your right about the blue with them) but I have been discussing this deck with FBOs and private jet management companies to stock one or two decks on their private jets and/or provide decks to their clients as a small "thank you" for their business.

You always have tremendously great input and I appreciate it. It's always a pleasure reading your feedback throughout the forum and especially regarding the Jetsetter Playing Cards.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on December 27, 2014, 12:58:48 AM

Don,

Thank you for chiming in. I have actually been waiting to see what your feedback would be. I agree with you, I have an uphill journey on the relaunch... especially with the simplistic approach but I'm confident this deck can get funded and more importantly, be played with when backers receive their decks. LPCC and I discussed making the deck even more simple, which in turn will make it classy and elegent. Compared to the orginal design, I think we pulled it off. Adding to the classy and elegent style, we are hoping to use a new material for the tuck but that has yet to be determined - I'd say this would justify the price slightly over the $3 corner store deck. If the majority of my backers from the first campaign return and enough new backers come on board, I'm optimistic the deck will fund with the new lower goal.

I agree with you regarding the blue with commercial aviation. However, I have two specific communities I want to focus on out of the gate in no particular order... the private aviation (luxury jets) community and the playing card community (players, magicians, and even cardists - I welcome collectors but I am not looking for this deck to be collected). I know many in commercial aviation dig the design too (and your right about the blue with them) but I have been discussing this deck with FBOs and private jet management companies to stock one or two decks on their private jets and/or provide decks to their clients as a small "thank you" for their business.

You always have tremendously great input and I appreciate it. It's always a pleasure reading your feedback throughout the forum and especially regarding the Jetsetter Playing Cards.

It sounds like you've got a few avenues for getting these decks into people's hands.  I know the quality work that Legends and Expert both create - I personally find it superior to USPC as well as less expensive when comparing apples to apples.  As long as you manage to keep costs low and set your goal accordingly, then yes, you have a shot at getting to goal.  The design changes you've made are steps in the right direction, to be sure.

I'm not very big on borderless designs, but I know many who are, especially collectors.  Consider a borderless version as a stretch goal, with the planes printed into the bleed much like a pack of Bee Diamond Backs.  Your back pattern is small and repetitive - ideal for creating that kind of illusory effect that takes place when spreading off-the-shelf Bees; it becomes hard to see where each card ends and the next begins, especially in skilled hands.  I don't know how big the private-jet community would be about it, but it's excellent for magicians specializing in gambling sleights as well as collectors, particular if you put a few bells-and-whistles in there like an embossed, foil-laden box.

And if not a borderless edition, at least a second color of deck might be good - casual poker players who still use paper over plastic prefer two decks that are identical except for back color, and the colors have to be distinctly different from each other.  (I saw a Kem two-deck set for the World Poker Tour that was a big bomb - back colors were light gray and slightly darker shade of gray!)

Best of luck on your launch.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on December 29, 2014, 12:22:44 PM

Don,

Thank you for chiming in. I have actually been waiting to see what your feedback would be. I agree with you, I have an uphill journey on the relaunch... especially with the simplistic approach but I'm confident this deck can get funded and more importantly, be played with when backers receive their decks. LPCC and I discussed making the deck even more simple, which in turn will make it classy and elegent. Compared to the orginal design, I think we pulled it off. Adding to the classy and elegent style, we are hoping to use a new material for the tuck but that has yet to be determined - I'd say this would justify the price slightly over the $3 corner store deck. If the majority of my backers from the first campaign return and enough new backers come on board, I'm optimistic the deck will fund with the new lower goal.

I agree with you regarding the blue with commercial aviation. However, I have two specific communities I want to focus on out of the gate in no particular order... the private aviation (luxury jets) community and the playing card community (players, magicians, and even cardists - I welcome collectors but I am not looking for this deck to be collected). I know many in commercial aviation dig the design too (and your right about the blue with them) but I have been discussing this deck with FBOs and private jet management companies to stock one or two decks on their private jets and/or provide decks to their clients as a small "thank you" for their business.

You always have tremendously great input and I appreciate it. It's always a pleasure reading your feedback throughout the forum and especially regarding the Jetsetter Playing Cards.

It sounds like you've got a few avenues for getting these decks into people's hands.  I know the quality work that Legends and Expert both create - I personally find it superior to USPC as well as less expensive when comparing apples to apples.  As long as you manage to keep costs low and set your goal accordingly, then yes, you have a shot at getting to goal.  The design changes you've made are steps in the right direction, to be sure.

I'm not very big on borderless designs, but I know many who are, especially collectors.  Consider a borderless version as a stretch goal, with the planes printed into the bleed much like a pack of Bee Diamond Backs.  Your back pattern is small and repetitive - ideal for creating that kind of illusory effect that takes place when spreading off-the-shelf Bees; it becomes hard to see where each card ends and the next begins, especially in skilled hands.  I don't know how big the private-jet community would be about it, but it's excellent for magicians specializing in gambling sleights as well as collectors, particular if you put a few bells-and-whistles in there like an embossed, foil-laden box.

And if not a borderless edition, at least a second color of deck might be good - casual poker players who still use paper over plastic prefer two decks that are identical except for back color, and the colors have to be distinctly different from each other.  (I saw a Kem two-deck set for the World Poker Tour that was a big bomb - back colors were light gray and slightly darker shade of gray!)

Best of luck on your launch.

That is great feedback and something to consider. Thank you!

Hope to see you at the relaunch!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on January 05, 2015, 09:22:55 AM
If you would like to see a PREVIEW of the upcoming launch of Jetsetter Playing Cards on Kickstarter, just click here:

http://bit.ly/KS-Preview

Feel free to provide any feedback on the project page. Thanks!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on January 06, 2015, 12:52:52 AM
If you would like to see a PREVIEW of the upcoming launch of Jetsetter Playing Cards on Kickstarter, just click here:

http://bit.ly/KS-Preview

Feel free to provide any feedback on the project page. Thanks!

Don't mind the edit I made to your post - I made the link live and clickable.

Left a comment on KS, will repeat it here for the locals.  The deck overall is fine.  Solid design, simple and well-executed.  My only real suggestion would be to drop the term "luxury".  It's become cliche these days because so many decks have used the phrase and so few deserve it.  To stand above that crowd, leave "luxury" - but I do like "precisely printed by" on the side!  That's new, accurate and cool all at once!  If you insist on having a superlative to precede the words "playing cards," use "precision" instead of "luxury."  Few would deny that LPCC is very precise in their manufacturing and that's something that's tangible and measurable, something you can see, rather than a a concept such as luxury.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on January 06, 2015, 09:52:20 AM
Don't mind the edit I made to your post - I made the link live and clickable.

Left a comment on KS, will repeat it here for the locals.  The deck overall is fine.  Solid design, simple and well-executed.  My only real suggestion would be to drop the term "luxury".  It's become cliche these days because so many decks have used the phrase and so few deserve it.  To stand above that crowd, leave "luxury" - but I do like "precisely printed by" on the side!  That's new, accurate and cool all at once!  If you insist on having a superlative to precede the words "playing cards," use "precision" instead of "luxury."  Few would deny that LPCC is very precise in their manufacturing and that's something that's tangible and measurable, something you can see, rather than a a concept such as luxury.

Thanks for checking out the preview. I received your comment on Kickstarter too.

Here's my struggle with dropping the term "luxury" from the deck... it's a term that private aviation can relate to. It was suggested to use First Class but I feel that is more relatable to commercial aviation. I've been trying to kick around other terms but none seem to fit as nicely as "luxury." I see where your coming from though and that's why I'm struggling. However, in support of the "luxury" term I want to make sure the tuck is made with a new and different stock rather than your standard stock and have a couple added features (see attached photo). Also, I feel like the Diamond Finish gives a more luxurious feel than the Classic Finish. I'm hoping this would champion using the "luxury" term. What are your further thoughts?

I saw your question on Kickstarter regarding shipping rates. It's going to be reasonable - I am NOT looking to make a profit on shipping. LPCC will be accomplishing the fulfillment of the decks backed on Kickstarter. This will help the timeline and urgency of delivery to backers. I'll be sharing the cost with backers from the US and Canada. International shipping will be more cost effective for me and backers with LPCC fulfilling the decks.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on January 07, 2015, 12:05:20 AM

Thanks for checking out the preview. I received your comment on Kickstarter too.

Here's my struggle with dropping the term "luxury" from the deck... it's a term that private aviation can relate to. It was suggested to use First Class but I feel that is more relatable to commercial aviation. I've been trying to kick around other terms but none seem to fit as nicely as "luxury." I see where your coming from though and that's why I'm struggling. However, in support of the "luxury" term I want to make sure the tuck is made with a new and different stock rather than your standard stock and have a couple added features (see attached photo). Also, I feel like the Diamond Finish gives a more luxurious feel than the Classic Finish. I'm hoping this would champion using the "luxury" term. What are your further thoughts?

I saw your question on Kickstarter regarding shipping rates. It's going to be reasonable - I am NOT looking to make a profit on shipping. LPCC will be accomplishing the fulfillment of the decks backed on Kickstarter. This will help the timeline and urgency of delivery to backers. I'll be sharing the cost with backers from the US and Canada. International shipping will be more cost effective for me and backers with LPCC fulfilling the decks.

I do now see your reason for wanting to stick to the term, though it doesn't change the term's present situation - overused and a little cliche.  Certainly there are synonyms to "luxury" that are close enough to convey that top-quality feel - in fact, there's one right now; "top quality."  I don't see "deluxe" terribly often on cards, other than to indicate that a deck is the "deluxe" version of the original - that term actually works in your favor, particularly with collectors.  "Premium" appears now and then, but perhaps "premium quality" would work, or even "greatest quality."  "Best grade" or "best quality" could be a keeper as well.  Another good term is "elegant," as is "extravagant" and "opulent."  Surely there are MANY other synonyms and that I've barely scratched the surface - you, my friend, should become besties with a thesaurus!  Save the heavily-overused terms for the unimaginative.

Definitely use the LPCC term for the finish - "Diamond Finish" practically screams luxury without saying a word.  Perhaps you can even use the term "Diamond Edition" as a subtitle to the deck's name!  There's countless other "Edition" terms that would be splendid - Platinum, Gold, Private, Exclusive, High Flyer...  It just occurs to me that some of those terms are used a lot for strip club names as well!!

High grade, high quality - USPC used to print the Aristocrats made under the Russell name in a finish called "high finish" and it also seemed to indicate luxury.  You might do well, in fact, to copy some of the design elements of the Aristocrat tuck box - to me, that brand and that box always convey luxury.  I know you're looking for a certain look and feel, but your tuck box might be a little too stark and austere in appearance, though that lovely plane on the front helps.  You know that you're permitted to use more than a single color, right?  :))

Finally, I wouldn't use "limited edition" - that's another overused term, since ALL KS projects are limited in their print run size.  Treat it like it's giving off gamma rays...  And stay away from anything that USPC might consider to be an infringement on their "Aviator" brand!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: PurpleIce on January 07, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
Can we change the topic so that it reflects the current status of the project? And change it back to live when it is really live?
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on January 07, 2015, 02:52:31 PM
I do now see your reason for wanting to stick to the term, though it doesn't change the term's present situation - overused and a little cliche.  Certainly there are synonyms to "luxury" that are close enough to convey that top-quality feel - in fact, there's one right now; "top quality."  I don't see "deluxe" terribly often on cards, other than to indicate that a deck is the "deluxe" version of the original - that term actually works in your favor, particularly with collectors.  "Premium" appears now and then, but perhaps "premium quality" would work, or even "greatest quality."  "Best grade" or "best quality" could be a keeper as well.  Another good term is "elegant," as is "extravagant" and "opulent."  Surely there are MANY other synonyms and that I've barely scratched the surface - you, my friend, should become besties with a thesaurus!  Save the heavily-overused terms for the unimaginative.

Definitely use the LPCC term for the finish - "Diamond Finish" practically screams luxury without saying a word.  Perhaps you can even use the term "Diamond Edition" as a subtitle to the deck's name!  There's countless other "Edition" terms that would be splendid - Platinum, Gold, Private, Exclusive, High Flyer...  It just occurs to me that some of those terms are used a lot for strip club names as well!!

High grade, high quality - USPC used to print the Aristocrats made under the Russell name in a finish called "high finish" and it also seemed to indicate luxury.  You might do well, in fact, to copy some of the design elements of the Aristocrat tuck box - to me, that brand and that box always convey luxury.  I know you're looking for a certain look and feel, but your tuck box might be a little too stark and austere in appearance, though that lovely plane on the front helps.  You know that you're permitted to use more than a single color, right?  :))

Finally, I wouldn't use "limited edition" - that's another overused term, since ALL KS projects are limited in their print run size.  Treat it like it's giving off gamma rays...  And stay away from anything that USPC might consider to be an infringement on their "Aviator" brand!

I'm going to explore changing "luxury" but I need to be sure I appeal to the private aviation community too. Some words just do not fit. I do like the word "premium" or "elegent" so those may be an option. Lawrence at LPCC mentioned making the deck classy and elegent so maybe "elegant" could really work. We'll see.

I love the suggestion about the design elements of the Aristocrat tuck box. Hold that thought - I'll send you a direct message after I post this with something I did a while ago and never finished.

Nothing is going to be limited. I want these to be used by both the playing card commmunity and private aviation community. If it was tagged "limited edition" then people won't use them, they'll just save them.

Regarding "And stay away from anything that USPC might consider to be an infringement on their "Aviator" brand!"... before my original launch I had USPCC verify with Legal that nothing would be infringing USPCC (deck, playing cards) or Jacks and Jokers (tee shirts).
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Fess on January 08, 2015, 04:52:34 AM
Haha, I was wondering when someone would bring it up here. The word Luxury is so overused in playing cards lately, we're all kind of full up with it. I'm kind of taking the side of, let the deck speak for itself and leave the word off the tuck entirely. That's just me though. :P
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Magasaki on January 08, 2015, 05:26:42 AM
I will definitely be in for a few of these.

It's funny, I never buy uncuts because my wall space in my nerdy room is occupied by ...... wait for it ........ a collection of skateboard decks!!! Needless to say I was pretty stoked to see that as an unexpected award tier!

When do you expect to launch? I am hoping to get in on a deck (and a deck)  8)
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on January 15, 2015, 01:20:32 AM
I will definitely be in for a few of these.

It's funny, I never buy uncuts because my wall space in my nerdy room is occupied by ...... wait for it ........ a collection of skateboard decks!!! Needless to say I was pretty stoked to see that as an unexpected award tier!

When do you expect to launch? I am hoping to get in on a deck (and a deck)  8)

You'll love the skateboard deck. I'm expecting to launch in a matter of days. I'll most likely officially announce the date this weekend.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on January 16, 2015, 05:46:28 PM
Mark your calendars. Relaunching on Tuesday, January 20th at 7:00 am EDT.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on January 20, 2015, 07:17:02 AM
Just relaunched...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulruccio/jetsetter-playing-cards-printed-by-legends-playing
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on January 20, 2015, 07:31:11 PM
12 hours into the project and it has reached 39% funding.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulruccio/jetsetter-playing-cards-printed-by-legends-playing
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on January 21, 2015, 03:12:03 AM
12 hours into the project and it has reached 39% funding.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulruccio/jetsetter-playing-cards-printed-by-legends-playing

You're off to a terrific start!  That's fantastic.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: HolyJJ on January 21, 2015, 04:17:41 PM
I second Don's words -- it's a great start brother!

I'm pretty confident that funding will be reached, seeing as we're already over 50 percent there at present.

I've just got myself in for 6 decks :D
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on January 22, 2015, 05:51:49 PM
You're off to a terrific start!  That's fantastic.

Thank you, Don! 57% funded in the first few days. Been steady.

I second Don's words -- it's a great start brother!

I'm pretty confident that funding will be reached, seeing as we're already over 50 percent there at present.

I've just got myself in for 6 decks :D

Thank you for the support! Once the project hits a certain percentage, I'll be starting the digital approval process to help with the timeline. It's looking good.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on February 01, 2015, 03:51:32 PM
Just wanted to provide a quick update. Project has been going strong. Almost 80% funded and over 150 backers.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulruccio/jetsetter-playing-cards-printed-by-legends-playing
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Don Boyer on February 02, 2015, 02:49:50 AM
I backed it just yesterday.  I like where the design has finally ended up.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on February 03, 2015, 10:12:12 AM
I backed it just yesterday.  I like where the design has finally ended up.

Thank you for the support. Glad to see you on board.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Magic_Orthodoxy on February 07, 2015, 12:13:51 AM
Paul is a great guy, I hope more people give this campaign a second look (http://preview.tinyurl.com/k5cfqx8) and pull the trigger
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on February 13, 2015, 04:39:53 PM
Project has reached over 105% funded with 5 days left. If you haven't check out Jetsetter Playing Cards yet... here's your chance.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulruccio/jetsetter-playing-cards-printed-by-legends-playing (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulruccio/jetsetter-playing-cards-printed-by-legends-playing)
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards - Now live on KS
Post by: Paul Ruccio on April 29, 2015, 10:57:49 PM
It's been a while since I've swung by to post. Thought I'd take a moment to provide an update regarding Jetsetter Playing Cards...

Physical proofs are en route from LPCC for review and approval. Once approved the playing cards will be moving to production. I ended up adding a couple "features" or accents to the tuck case. Nothing crazy. Very simple but will be a nice touch and unexpected. The campaign on Kickstarter ended up being really successful. The majority of the decks were accounted for directly through the Kickstarter campaign. Although there will be residual decks available directly from my site and a couple other options, the availability will be limited. I'm really excited to finally see these land in everyone's hands.

Until next time...
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on April 30, 2015, 11:36:37 AM
Thanks for the update, Paul!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul.Middleton on April 30, 2015, 11:58:34 AM
This is one similar, minimal deck that i'm really looking forward to. It's done very nicely IMO. I like the shade of green used too.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on April 30, 2015, 01:10:31 PM
This is one similar, minimal deck that i'm really looking forward to. It's done very nicely IMO. I like the shade of green used too.

Hmm...  The design is simple, but not really minimal.  That term's been tossed around a lot lately, and not always correctly applied.  The individual planes in the design are minimal of themselves, but the pattern of so many of them together is considered more simple than minimal.  A single large plane taking the entire card back - would be minimal; a single tiny plane in the center would be even more so, but not dozens of planes arranged in a neat pattern.

Forgive me if I'm being pedantic about this.  "Minimal" is rapidly climbing the list of deck-design clichés, joining the ranks of steampunk, Lovecraftian mythos, zombies, Alice in Wonderland, etc.  This deck doesn't belong on that list.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul.Middleton on April 30, 2015, 01:16:58 PM

Do you have any hairs left to split? ;) Bet you're as bald as me lol
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul.Middleton on April 30, 2015, 02:31:58 PM
Just to clarify - that wasn't implying you are receding or even bald, ive no idea - it was a reference to your love of "splitting hairs" :)
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on April 30, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Just to clarify - that wasn't implying you are receding or even bald, ive no idea - it was a reference to your love of "splitting hairs" :)

Shaved - been losing hair since my teens.

Yes, I tend to split hairs, but it's worth it in this case.  The Jetsetter deck shouldn't be lumped in with all the other "minimal" designs.  It's more original.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul.Middleton on April 30, 2015, 04:56:39 PM
I'm pretty sure my post was more complimentary than to "lump in with the others". Anyway, we can agree to disagree. :)
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: HolyJJ on April 30, 2015, 05:13:31 PM
For me this deck is more simple, than it is "minimal" -- for me minimal is when back designs are pretty plain in that they aren't "busy". For example, the Madison Rounders, the Wynn logo decks, etc. The use of only 3 colours on the faces is also something that makes Madison Rounders very much minimal.

I think the Jetsetter back design is very much comparable to something like the Smithback No 2 that CARC did -- a repeating pattern, with a hybrid border.

Anyway, minimal or not, this is a deck that I'm looking looking forward to receiving! :D
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on April 30, 2015, 06:06:51 PM
Thanks guys! It means a lot to see that everyone is looking forward to receiving these. I've been pretty excited myself. I'm actually about to catch a plane home and in high hopes that the physical proofs are waiting for me. If not, they'll probably arrive next week and I'll be able to review and approve them when I get home next week.

As soon as I review, approve, and update all the other backers on Kickstarter. I'll be sure to post some photos of the proofs.

Time to board the plane... literally...

Thanks again for all the support!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on May 08, 2015, 01:29:47 PM
Here's sneak peek of the Jetsetter Playing Cards tuck cases (see attached).
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: HolyJJ on May 08, 2015, 02:13:30 PM
That tuck looks freakin' awesome!

It's turned out twice as good as expected. I'm not kicking myself for not pledging for 6 more decks!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: MrVamp on May 08, 2015, 03:19:27 PM
Nice tuckbox, indeed. The back embossing looks great.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on May 08, 2015, 04:38:37 PM
That tuck looks freakin' awesome!

It's turned out twice as good as expected. I'm not kicking myself for not pledging for 6 more decks!

Thank you, JJ. I'm really happy with how the tuck case looks and feels. It's simple, the features are subtle, and it give a really classy vibe. I cannot wait to see the actual finished product.

Nice tuckbox, indeed. The back embossing looks great.

Thank you! I'm really digging the results. The embossing isn't really embossing at all. It's UV spot ink. It really made the deck fit the jetsetter-style theme.

Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on May 15, 2015, 01:38:45 PM
In case you need something to hold you over until the decks are printed and delivered... vintage Jetsetter Playing Cards tee shirts are available for a limited time... teespring.com/jetsetter-playing-cards-vtg (http://teespring.com/jetsetter-playing-cards-vtg) (see attached too)

Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on June 26, 2015, 02:10:28 PM
Great news! Fulfillment (directly from LPCC) will officially start the week of July 6th. The first two decks from production were pulled and they're en route to me now. Pretty excited.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: HolyJJ on June 27, 2015, 10:09:46 AM
Excellent news! :D

I always take a few decks with me whenever I'm travelling. Well, the next time I'm travelling via air, Jetsetter will be the cards I'll be shuffling throughout the journey.

This is one of the few decks where I like absolutely everything... and so I'm genuinely excited about receiving them next month :D
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on June 29, 2015, 04:59:48 PM
Excellent news! :D

I always take a few decks with me whenever I'm travelling. Well, the next time I'm travelling via air, Jetsetter will be the cards I'll be shuffling throughout the journey.

This is one of the few decks where I like absolutely everything... and so I'm genuinely excited about receiving them next month :D

Thank you for the tremendous support. I cannot wait until the two decks get here. I'm guessing I'll have them in my hands on Wednesday or Thursday - they were just processed through the NYC sort facility. I'll be sure to post some photos when they arrive.

Glad you'll be bringing Jetsetter Playing Cards next time you travel by air. Please share photos if you do! I cannot wait to see these go everywhere.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 14, 2015, 10:18:59 AM
Fulfillment by LPCC has started and should be completed by the end of the week. Looking forward to seeing them land in everyone's hands. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on July 14, 2015, 02:24:53 PM
Fulfillment by LPCC has started and should be completed by the end of the week. Looking forward to seeing them land in everyone's hands. Enjoy!

I have to say, I've really enjoyed these cards.  You chose a GREAT shade of red for the red suits, and the stock is excellent.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 15, 2015, 09:59:40 AM
I have to say, I've really enjoyed these cards.  You chose a GREAT shade of red for the red suits, and the stock is excellent.

Thank you, Don! Glad you're enjoying them. I love how they came out. Very pleased with the results. I greatly appreciate the support here and on Kickstarter. Couldn't have done it without everyone's support.

Now, I'm hoping to build Jetsetter Playing Cards out as a brand. I've sold 34 tee shirts so far (teespring.com/jetsetter-playing-cards-vtg (http://teespring.com/jetsetter-playing-cards-vtg)) which is giving me the gut feeling that Jetsetter Playing Cards could morph into their own brand. I should send you a DM sometime soon to give you a heads up on potential future plans. Could get interesting...
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 22, 2015, 11:51:37 AM
Received an update from LPCC last night... all decks of Jetsetter Playing Cards have been officially shipped. Keep checking that mailbox!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Justin O. on July 22, 2015, 03:27:00 PM
Received an update from LPCC last night... all decks of Jetsetter Playing Cards have been officially shipped. Keep checking that mailbox!

Sad I missed this KS, really love this deck, and those tuckes are stellar! Any plans to sell after the project? Or is the resale market my best bet?
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 23, 2015, 02:53:52 PM
Sad I missed this KS, really love this deck, and those tuckes are stellar! Any plans to sell after the project? Or is the resale market my best bet?

Thank you! The tuck really did come out great. It feels very classy. I'm gearing up to launch the website sometime next month. No set date right now but you'll have the chance to purchase some decks. Stay tuned for more information.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: HolyJJ on July 26, 2015, 01:32:24 AM
Received my 14 decks of Jetsetter yesterday, and I absolutely love them!

I've spent a good 4 hours shuffling the cards, and they feel great -- they have a really nice, top quality feel to them.‎

I love how sharp the courts look -- the choice of colours has worked brilliantly. That red looks very much like the one used on the faces of most casino decks... which itself is a pretty‎ cool thing!

I'm definitely going to enjoy the cards :D

(http://s15.postimg.org/sk7rnojmz/IMG_20150725_133243.jpg)‎
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on July 26, 2015, 01:43:28 AM

(http://s15.postimg.org/sk7rnojmz/IMG_20150725_133243.jpg)‎

Hey!  That's not how you're supposed to play with them!  :))
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 27, 2015, 11:00:59 AM
Received my 14 decks of Jetsetter yesterday, and I absolutely love them!

I've spent a good 4 hours shuffling the cards, and they feel great -- they have a really nice, top quality feel to them.‎

I love how sharp the courts look -- the choice of colours has worked brilliantly. That red looks very much like the one used on the faces of most casino decks... which itself is a pretty‎ cool thing!

I'm definitely going to enjoy the cards :D

(http://s15.postimg.org/sk7rnojmz/IMG_20150725_133243.jpg)‎

Whoa! Love the photo! Do you mind if I repost this photo on social media?

I'm really glad you're loving the decks. Everyone is pleased with the final product which is great to hear. When I officially saw the physical proofs a while back, I was extremely satisfied with the choices I made for the recoloring. Thank you for your awesome support!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: HolyJJ on July 27, 2015, 02:20:05 PM
Hey Paul!

Glad you liked the photo! I did post it on Instagram also -- I'm pretty sure I tagged both Jetsetter and LPCC in it. Of course brother, feel free to repost :D

I've given the cards some serious use since their arrival, and as usual, the diamond finish cards are pretty much indestructible -- just like the LUXX V2, the quality of these cards basically wipe the floor with USPCC cards. The gap in quality is probably wider than the gap between the north pole and the south pole.

The combination of the excellent handling, and the classy, casino style back design, and the most practical face designs possible, makes the deck ‎a massive winner in my books! These are definitely one of my favourites :D
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on July 27, 2015, 11:39:46 PM
Paul - I'm thinking that a second version should be in the works, with new back colors!  Now that you've done green, you can hit on the more traditional red, blue and/or black...
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 28, 2015, 03:38:02 PM
Paul - I'm thinking that a second version should be in the works, with new back colors!  Now that you've done green, you can hit on the more traditional red, blue and/or black...

See attached. I started playing with a few colorways over the weekend - revisited the original color (green), blue, and red. In addition, I started working on a tuck case that I feel would turn out really nice. It's in the very beginning stages though.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: HolyJJ on July 28, 2015, 06:02:41 PM
Very nice indeed! :D

It's quite amazing how many options a simple, yet classy design gives.

Paul, would you consider the idea of making that particular design borderless? A borderless version of the repeating plane design would be absolutely perfect for gambling sleights.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on July 28, 2015, 11:37:37 PM
Very nice indeed! :D

It's quite amazing how many options a simple, yet classy design gives.

Paul, would you consider the idea of making that particular design borderless? A borderless version of the repeating plane design would be absolutely perfect for gambling sleights.

I like the bordered look, myself.  It's more reminiscent of the airport signs that inspired the deck's design.  There's no shortage of decks out there you can execute gambling sleights with!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: HolyJJ on July 29, 2015, 02:45:37 AM
Very nice indeed! :D

It's quite amazing how many options a simple, yet classy design gives.

Paul, would you consider the idea of making that particular design borderless? A borderless version of the repeating plane design would be absolutely perfect for gambling sleights.

I like the bordered look, myself.  It's more reminiscent of the airport signs that inspired the deck's design.  There's no shortage of decks out there you can execute gambling sleights with!

Don't get me wrong, I never implied that the bordered design was bad (or even not-so-good) in any way whatever -- it does indeed look cool.

However, I just wanted to get an idea of what sort of direction Paul is willing to take designs to.

You're right that there are decks out there for gambling slights... but all borderless decks with small, repeating back designs (like the Bee deck) are USPCC decks. I've made my personal preference relatively clear over the past year -- and so if I was to be using USPCC decks, quality and handling wise, it would be like trying to perform gambling slights with newspaper or toilet paper. Doesn't work for me brother.

Of course, I recognise that in the end, I may be part of a minority, and that Paul's final designs will be ones which he feels has the widest appeal. I've not done the market research, and so I can't say for certain what majority want. Still, I figured that there's no harm in asking.‎
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on July 29, 2015, 04:15:12 AM
Very nice indeed! :D

It's quite amazing how many options a simple, yet classy design gives.

Paul, would you consider the idea of making that particular design borderless? A borderless version of the repeating plane design would be absolutely perfect for gambling sleights.

I like the bordered look, myself.  It's more reminiscent of the airport signs that inspired the deck's design.  There's no shortage of decks out there you can execute gambling sleights with!

Don't get me wrong, I never implied that the bordered design was bad (or even not-so-good) in any way whatever -- it does indeed look cool.

However, I just wanted to get an idea of what sort of direction Paul is willing to take designs to.

You're right that there are decks out there for gambling slights... but all borderless decks with small, repeating back designs (like the Bee deck) are USPCC decks. I've made my personal preference relatively clear over the past year -- and so if I was to be using USPCC decks, quality and handling wise, it would be like trying to perform gambling slights with newspaper or toilet paper. Doesn't work for me brother.

Of course, I recognise that in the end, I may be part of a minority, and that Paul's final designs will be ones which he feels has the widest appeal. I've not done the market research, and so I can't say for certain what majority want. Still, I figured that there's no harm in asking.‎

There are countless decks from other companies out there with borderless, repetitive designs!  The Bee Diamond Back is one of the most imitated card back designs in the history of playing cards.  Many companies make copies and variants of them, including a number of Chinese and European manufacturers - some even make great examples of them in plastic.

I can understand the desire to see it in a well made LPCC or EPCC deck, though.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: HolyJJ on July 29, 2015, 06:39:37 AM
Don, I'm not disputing that there are other decks out there from other companies... but the problem that I have is that all of the companies (at least the ones whose decks I've tried) with the borderless, repeating designs have quality that is either not much better (and sometimes even worse!) than that of USPCC.

I've tried Cartamundi, and Gemaco, ‎amongst others, and the combination of stock and coating that they use was inferior to even the Bee deck! 

The first edition MPC deck was one of the last few‎ that I tried, and although the stock wasn't the world's worst, the design was one way, and due to the cutting method, the edges chipped even worse than any of the USPCC decks.

Therefore just having lots of variety isn't the issue -- it's the quality of ‎the variety. If it's all mediocre, then the fact that there is variety is pretty much irrelevant... after all, having lots of garbage to choose from isn't exactly something that appeals to me.

The only such deck that impressed me was the Ascal decks that our resident legend, Lee Asher, has on his website -- the stiff and durable cardstock is excellent (better than even USPCC from their Ohio days, in my opinion), and once broken in, the coating is pretty cool also. The fact that they're traditionally cut is brilliant also. Although they are boderless and do have a repeating back pattern, they also have a mirrored casino logos placed in the usual spot... and so second and bottom deals are not as deceptive as they could have been, had the logos not been there.

Don, you've been in the game a lot longer than I have, and I'm taking it for granted that you've handled a much larger variety of cards than I have... and so if you can point me to a specific, high quality‎, borderless deck with a repeating borderless design, then I'm definitely all ears brother.

Until then though, in my mind, a borderless version of Paul's latest design, on LPCC's diamond finish‎ would feature very very high on my wish list.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on July 29, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
Don, I'm not disputing that there are other decks out there from other companies... but the problem that I have is that all of the companies (at least the ones whose decks I've tried) with the borderless, repeating designs have quality that is either not much better (and sometimes even worse!) than that of USPCC.

I've tried Cartamundi, and Gemaco, ‎amongst others, and the combination of stock and coating that they use was inferior to even the Bee deck!

The first edition MPC deck was one of the last few‎ that I tried, and although the stock wasn't the world's worst, the design was one way, and due to the cutting method, the edges chipped even worse than any of the USPCC decks.

Therefore just having lots of variety isn't the issue -- it's the quality of ‎the variety. If it's all mediocre, then the fact that there is variety is pretty much irrelevant... after all, having lots of garbage to choose from isn't exactly something that appeals to me.

The only such deck that impressed me was the Ascal decks that our resident legend, Lee Asher, has on his website -- the stiff and durable cardstock is excellent (better than even USPCC from their Ohio days, in my opinion), and once broken in, the coating is pretty cool also. The fact that they're traditionally cut is brilliant also. Although they are boderless and do have a repeating back pattern, they also have a mirrored casino logos placed in the usual spot... and so second and bottom deals are not as deceptive as they could have been, had the logos not been there.

Don, you've been in the game a lot longer than I have, and I'm taking it for granted that you've handled a much larger variety of cards than I have... and so if you can point me to a specific, high quality‎, borderless deck with a repeating borderless design, then I'm definitely all ears brother.

Until then though, in my mind, a borderless version of Paul's latest design, on LPCC's diamond finish‎ would feature very very high on my wish list.

I have those Ascals - and another deck from the same manufacturer.  They're from the Angel Playing Card Company of Osaka, Japan.  They put out a good quality card and they do casino-style decks - you should check them out.  The other deck I have is Angel brand - a diamond pattern on the back, but with a sizable white border.  However, I know they make all kinds of decks - I've seen their website.  As I understand it, they have a healthy chunk of the casino business throughout Asia and Australia.

Try some of the companies that specialize in poker decks, especially the plastic ones.  Copag, Modiano, etc., even try Fournier.  Stick with mostly the European makers (and Copag, which is Brazilian).  You're bound to find something to like.  You can also try "J Design" (they spell it "Desjgn" on their cards).
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Cardfool on July 31, 2015, 10:28:17 AM
Don't mean to hijack the Jetsetter Thread, but here are some Angel diamond back (if you look closely, the diamond patter is made up of capital 'A's) decks with no borders...they go for 3-4 USD each in Asia...
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on July 31, 2015, 12:32:30 PM
Paul, would you consider the idea of making that particular design borderless? A borderless version of the repeating plane design would be absolutely perfect for gambling sleights.

I explored the borderless design before the first Kickstarter campaign and remember shying away from it. I can definitely revisit it again and see how it feels. I'm always open to exploring and revisiting suggestions. I think I was partially worried about the design chipping along the edges during cutting of the cards. I really didn't feel confident it would be flawless and if the cards did end up chipping, it'd would have irked me really bad. But that was when I was exploring USPCC as the printer.

I like the bordered look, myself.  It's more reminiscent of the airport signs that inspired the deck's design.

That's exactly the direction I was looking to go (revisiting the original Kickstarter design) by creating the border that simulates an airport sign. However, I do think a borderless design could really work but I'd have significant concerns with the edges and cutting. Not sure if I'll want to place that stress on myself. haha. I'm confident in LPCC and EPCC but I think I'd still be on edge. Also, the tuck case I have started designing for v2 would better represent the bordered version.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: HolyJJ on July 31, 2015, 01:13:13 PM
Cardfool, thanks for those images brother -- appreciated! I can't find any of those on any UK sites... but hopefully I can pick some up from somewhere.

Don, thanks for the run-through of some of those decks. I have tried some of them, and to be honest, although some of the decks were okay, they weren't exactly on par with LPCC or EPCC.

Paul, it's AWESOME to hear that you're at least willing to consider trying out a borderless design. Obviously you have to go with what you personally believe works best for the brand... but if it does happen, it would be brilliant!

Regarding chipped edges... it's definitely a legitimate concern for USPCC printed decks. I think you'd be in luck with LPCC decks though.

I'm copy-pasting an extract that Lawrence provided for the Tenebre 2 campaign:

"As with TENEBRE ROSSO, the combination of full bleed artwork yields gorgeous fans, with our paper stock resisting chipping, so you don't get those white spotted edges after handling your cards."

Tenebre 2 decks will be shipped out sometime in September... and so I'll get to test them out first hand! :D
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on August 01, 2015, 03:05:54 AM

Don, thanks for the run-through of some of those decks. I have tried some of them, and to be honest, although some of the decks were okay, they weren't exactly on par with LPCC or EPCC.

These are the decks I'm referring to - the ones I have.  Forgive the crappy photos, they're from someone's eBay sale.  They're of a higher quality and I know there's at least one prominent magician who used them in an instructional video.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on August 26, 2015, 10:42:37 AM
Just wanted to keep everyone up-to-date... Jetsetter Playing Cards is almost 100% fulfilled. All the decks have been shipped. Some are still arriving to their various destinations. I'm hoping to launch the website soon. It's basically ready to launch, just need to finalize a couple business-related items. In addition, I haven't received the bulk of my inventory so I may have to delay the launch if I do not receive that inventory soon. However, exciting times ahead. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on September 14, 2015, 11:17:45 AM
I recently received the shipment of Jetsetter Playing Cards decks for the website. So, if you missed out on the Kickstarter or looking to purchase additional decks of Jetsetter Playing Cards or other swag, jetsetterplayingcards.com (http://jetsetterplayingcards.com) is officially open to the public. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on October 29, 2015, 12:30:28 AM
Exploring a "branded" version of Jetsetter Playing Cards. See attached. Nothing official... yet.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Fess on October 29, 2015, 12:32:46 AM
Run with it, that's a win Paul.  :)
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on October 30, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
Run with it, that's a win Paul.  :)

Thanks, Fes! The feedback seems to be very positive thus far. Just the right amount of change on the back design (and the Ace of Spades).
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Jay Losa on October 30, 2015, 03:27:55 PM
Thanks, Fes! The feedback seems to be very positive thus far. Just the right amount of change on the back design (and the Ace of Spades).

The Ace of Spades is soooooooooo beautiful !
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on October 30, 2015, 11:36:06 PM
I would love to see one little tweak - light touches to make the courts more unique yet still traditional.  By that, I mean little extras - like a set of pilot wings on a King, worn like a lapel pin, or a brooch on a Queen in the shape of an airliner.  Little, subtle touches, not major changes, that tell people this is the Jetsetter's deck!
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: tanderle on November 01, 2015, 09:20:44 AM
Exploring a "branded" version of Jetsetter Playing Cards. See attached. Nothing official... yet.

I like the branded backs.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Don Boyer on November 02, 2015, 06:22:31 AM
Exploring a "branded" version of Jetsetter Playing Cards. See attached. Nothing official... yet.

I like the branded backs.

I believe he meant branded as in with the brand name of an airline or a plane manufacturer, something to that effect.  Either that, or selling his cards under a different brand, like Legends or Bicycle.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on November 06, 2015, 01:50:28 PM
I would love to see one little tweak - light touches to make the courts more unique yet still traditional.  By that, I mean little extras - like a set of pilot wings on a King, worn like a lapel pin, or a brooch on a Queen in the shape of an airliner.  Little, subtle touches, not major changes, that tell people this is the Jetsetter's deck!

I think I'll be making this happen this time around. Very subtle touches.

I believe he meant branded as in with the brand name of an airline or a plane manufacturer, something to that effect.  Either that, or selling his cards under a different brand, like Legends or Bicycle.

I should define what I meant by the word "branded." The back design is going to have the new Jetsetter Playing Cards logo on the back design, providing that branded feel like a casino or airline deck. I've been trying to develop Jetsetter Playing Cards as a playing card brand so I'm looking for this deck to be the staple deck for the website. The logo states "Luxury Brand" and "Quality Decks" within the design. "Luxury Brand" covers the Jetsetter Playing Cards related products (mostly beyond playing cards) and "Quality Decks" covers exactly that... quality decks (more to come on this aspect).
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on December 24, 2015, 12:37:16 AM
v2 of Jetsetter Playing Cards is coming along. Here's the direction of the tuck and most likely the color choice for the follow up deck.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Justin O. on December 28, 2015, 01:56:15 PM
v2 of Jetsetter Playing Cards is coming along. Here's the direction of the tuck and most likely the color choice for the follow up deck.

That blue... Love it. Definitely not going to make the same mistake on this one as I did by passing up on the first one. Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on December 30, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
That blue... Love it. Definitely not going to make the same mistake on this one as I did by passing up on the first one. Keep us posted.

Thank you. I was originally going to stick with the brand's green color but decided to switch to blue. I've received positive feedback on the shade of blue which will officially be called Altitude Blue. I wanted to refrain from using a shade of Sky Blue because that's the shade you typically see from the ground... as a pedestrian. As you fly higher in altitude, you see more of a deeper or darker blue.

Looking forward to you coming aboard for the next version. v1 recently sold out so I'm getting really excited for this one. The design is approximately 95% finished. Initiating discussions with the printer soon. Once those discussion start, the minor design left will be completed as the finishing touches depend on the extra features. It should launch on Kickstarter sooner than later. Definitely keep y'all posted.
Title: Re: Jetsetter Playing Cards (KS)
Post by: Paul Ruccio on March 17, 2016, 10:32:29 PM
Next version of Jetsetter Playing Cards is almost ready to launch. Will keep everyone posted.