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Keeping my friends here apprised of this project, I wanted to post a note about the impending crowdfunding campaign for this project, because the limit of 250 sets isn't that many.

These will be done wirh true old world craftsmanship, but I won't repeat everything here, details are in this thread on UC: ]https://unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?t=9476"]

Please post inquiries there.

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Can anyone help ID this pair of decks? It says New York Consolidated but cancelled CDC (Consolidated Dougherty?) and the open (blue) one has a Rainbow Room advertising card inside.

The side script says "The Union News Company" - I think, hard to read. The card says "RCA Building" so maybe that helps date it? I am guessing that they were sold in the gift shop about 60 years ago, just judging by the style.

My research show that company went out of business in 1956 or 57 depending on what source you believe.

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I put one red MailChimp deck up on eBay.  I have never seen one for sale...

There is no damage on the right, it's glare from the flash.

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A friend came across this yesterday, and I can't find much about it.

"V" date code, which is not in the table, but falls in the range, since there is a (C} 1932. It's an art deco with multicolor Joker:

Bridge deck, I don't find in Hochmans?

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As usual, when I see something that doesn't look right, and it's listed for $29.95 by someone who obviously has no clue what they are selling, I don't feel obligated nor need to tell them, I simply purchase it.

This is branded in nine places with "J C Vickery - Regent St"  (doesn't even say London).  Funded in 1879 and moved in 1920, since these four basically unplayed decks have no indices, I suspect that they are closer to the earlier date than the latter. It has a 40 piece ivory Tally boards and a hidden scoring pad as well, all hand tooled and silver fittings, as well as two score pads that have pencils that have never been used, apparently. I am not even willing to hazard a guess for it, because they were custom silver and leather makers. What do you think?

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I'd like to announce the First Annual "Cardies" - the Playing Card Awards - nomination period is two months from midnight Monday (12:01AM Tuesday) for two months, closing on 31-August at 11:59PM (all times Eastern).  This year we're doing five categories, but starting next year we'll expand to about 15-18 or 20.

Those five this year are: "Most Creative Design", "Best Deck Accessory", "Best Deck Series", "Best CrowdFunding Campaign" and "Best Overall".  After that two month nomination period we'll determine the Top 25 in each of those five categories and have a public vote from a few days later until the end of November, and award the trophies around the 1st of December.  The cutoff period is August 1st, anything delivered on or after that date or that successfully crowdfunds on or after that date will be eligible for next year in the 2nd Annual 2015 "Cardies".

It's going to be an annual thing, and we're looking for advertising from partners and friends and encourage you to share it to Social Media, etc - as often as you can!  We hope everyone do their best and help make the "Cardies" a success!  We're keeping it pretty simple this year, but next year we'll roll out the red (and black) carpet!  Nominations Here

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Lotrek has given me the exclusive right to pre-sell his "Venexiana (Black) Gold" decks - the world's first edge-to-edge completely foiled backs, limited edition of 200 and only 2 per customer.  His terms were 10% off to UC members only, so if you don't have an account over there, I'll have to ask you to sign up - use a throw-away username if you want, but you can't access the form to buy them unless you're logged in.  There are only about 30 of these left of my supply, and I'm not getting anything, just selling some before he uses the UnitedCardists account on KS starting Monday or Tuesday to sell the balance for $100 each - still limit 2 per person.  They were painstakingly made with him in continuous supervision of the process from start to finish on a special 330gsm French bond paper stock that's worthy of these decks.  Three of them were bought by key industry partners before they were even made, and you have a chance to get up to two at a 10% discount until midnight tomorrow night.  After that the form will be disabled.  Just look for the "Something Wicked This Way Comes part 6" forum thread in the "Site Announcement" forum.  It's at the bottom of the page in the OP.  Here's a few pix if you've been under a rock:

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Always keeping an eye out for the unusual, I noticed this original Congress 606 (Hochman's US6) with Dundreary type 1 Joker and Purple geometric backs. Obviously it has to be an 1880's version, but those are listed in Hochman's Encyclopedia Of American Playing Cards as having "geometric red, blue or black" backs. Obviously this IS original, but where how did Gene Hochman & Tom both miss the fact that there are at least a few Purple backed decks? Must be a rare(r) version, not to even be mentioned as existing in Hochman's? We'll see, Tom - what do you think about this one?  Just not as well-known perhaps, or is it truly an unusual find?  Words of wisdom, sir?  This deck is in fabulous shape, since the 606 brand was the best made of the original brands.  I take such crappy pix myself - I used those from the listing on eBay instead.  The joker is actually not as dark as it appears in the photo, it is clean and crisp and all cards are in excellent condition for an open deck likely some 130+ years old.

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Over the past 5 months, I have spent every waking moment working on a secret project, and I have announced it elsewhere, but wanted to bring everyone here on The Discourse at PCF into the loop.

Beginning some time between 20-July and 1-August - depending on how beta testing of the software goes - I will be opening the doors of my new CrowdFunding website for playing card decks only (and related things).  It will be a now paradigm in how things work, because we are going to guarantee delivery of all items pledged for so the backers don't end up waiting 7 months to a year for unscrupulous campaigns and projects to finally deliver on what you paid for, as well as totally eliminate any possibility of fraud by the escrow of funds for production and fulfillment of the decks, totally removing any potential for 'rip-off' projects and people that just don't have a clue how to run a campaign, much less how to be successful at fulfillment of the decks.  We have partnered with Expert Playing Card Co for production, Lake Michigan Mailers, Kings Wild Fulfillment and Gambler's Warehouse for fulfillment of shipments, as well as an as-yet unnamed company in Taiwan that will fulfill all decks in Asia/Pacific/Oceania and likely Europe as well, since the costs for doing so using the US Postal Service to that location are absurdly high.

We'll also be introducing a new standard in playing cards, the "Chromografix" deck, which will be on the order of the infamous "Norwood 85" deck prototypes created by USPCC back in 1909, and also 12 color process done by Zander GMBH of Germany from 1965-1972, in small quantities.  These decks will have an ultra high resolution photographic quality faces as well as 5-color process backs - giving collectors something to look forward to every month when the mailman comes. 

I look forward to answering questions, and seeing those of you that are collectors of contemporary decks on CardLauncher.com starting in about 45 days.

There is a more complete discussion of the coming goodies if you go to "CardLauncher.com" - which for now warps you to the discussion thread on UC, but will soon (a week to 10 days) begin presenting our MailChimp email partner's survey to gather e-addresses for those wanting to be notified 2-or-3 days in advance.

Here's a close-up of the Boer of Hearts (Jack in French courts) from a Zander "Fine Papers" deck made in 1968:

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Tom, have you ever seen this one before? The only decks I have ever seen from them with no date codes, and I am told that means pre WWII. The box has an emblem embedded into the case, matching the deer and snow capped mountain theme.

(corrected to be 'up-right' instead of sideways...)

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As I have noted before, I have sharp eyes. I saw a Tom Thumb deck on eBay the other day about two weeks ago and thought something just was really unusual. Very few pix, but what I could see was odd. When I got it I was astonished to find it is a deck of square plain pink backs from the 1865-1885 period because the AoS was changed in 1885 .The deck is in nearly pristine condition for its age. Pix attached:

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Century "Straight" decks - about 1950?
« on: May 23, 2014, 10:06:58 PM »
I recently found these, two blue decks unsealed with card backs that don't match the tucks and one red deck still sealdd/mint. The blue ones both have a Rainbow Room advertising card in them, and it has a distinctively 50's look.

Anyone have a good handle on the deck? New York Consolidated on the tuck, but CDC Co on the tax stamp. Consolidated Dougherty, I assume. 1 Pack stamp leads me to believe 50's as well.

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Anybody that watches eBay and other sites knows that you see Kem decks all the time shown as "1935" & "1947", when they obviously are not that old. Why? Pretty simple, really, and I am going to give most people the benefit of the doubt, and say it's an honest mistake. Sometimes it is not, but most of the time, it probably is.

Here's the thing: every deck of Kem branded cards made from 1935 until 2004 when they got absorbed by USPCC has the same Ace of Spades. It looks like this one:
(See Picture #1)

Notice the date of the copyright - ©1935.  As Don pointed out, this AoS from a 'newer' upright case is from January, 1954.

Sometimes you'll see them advertised as 1947. Again, simple explanation. Check the replacement card put in every Kem deck made from 1947 to 1970 or later:
(See Picture #2)

Sure enough - every single deck or pair at least has a card with COPYRIGHT 1947 along the bottom edge of the card.

One last thing. You see an awful lot of claims that the case is Bakelite. Bakelite itself is rare, collectable and expensive. Do they all come in Bakelite cases? Of course not. Again, there are visual cues: (See Picture #3)

The spread out K E M wide spaced letters IS indeed Bakelite! The small KEM centered on the box is not, so the two on the left are Bakelite and the one on the right is not.

Later cases came in more simple and plain black flat plastic cases, and even later in slip cases similar to Congress brand decks. Those were used after USPCC bought the company, but before 1970 when it was merged into Congress (more or less).

I'll take a shot in the dark and say that Bakelite was used from 1935 to 1950ish, similar plastic cases in the same shape until about 1965, the simpler black plastic flat cases until about 1980 and the slip cases until 2004. Are those dates perfect? Certainly not! Are they close? You bet!  In most cases the Ace of Spades contains a 3- or 4-digit date code in the MMYY (or MYY) format for Month and Year.

Last thing: how much are they worth? It varies too widely to say for sure, but Bakelite is the first publicly available plastic, a phenolic brittle plastic, which is why they are chipped or broken easily. The case itself is worth $25-$30. The card decks? Hard to say - in general they made a lot of them, not always, but most of the time. Some aren't worth much, some are worth $50-$100 and a few odd examples are worth more, up to $250, but that is truly unusual - most are in that $50-$75 range if they are in the old Bakelite case. Newer ones, generally less.

(updated date ranges and AoS date codes with Don's plethora of knowledge)

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Here's another eBay deal - paid $10 for it. Poor little thing was obviously unwanted...

Another one that I don't find in Hochman's encyclopedia, Tom. Any clues, or am I just overlooking it again?

As usual, I found it - in the footnotes for NY50, Hart's Squeezers. I guess 1890-1900? One of those decks that was printed so many times it is listed as an "also ran". Since I can't see the AoS it's hard to find.

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I have arranged with Black Rock Collective in Great Britain to have exclusive distribution rights for the United States to their v3 deck coming out around mid-June.

Everybody knows that I started as strictly a vintage/antique deck collector, but I have changed!  This offer that was to be an exclusive for UC members only has been extended to all of our friends and users on "The Discourse" at PlayingCardForum.com as well!  YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A UC MEMBER TO ORDER...

For those of you that are not familiar with BRC, their decks are a collaboration of 54 different artists on each deck, and each designs one card per deck.

Starting on Thursday, 15-May-2014, I will be taking pre-orders for their v3 decks - ONLY ON UC in our "Site Announcement" Forum!  They sell for 30# (GBP/Pounds Sterling) per deck, or 50# for two - and there is an ABSOLUTE limit of 2 decks per person, which I had to agree to in order to get this exclusive.

Full details are here: Click here to go to the Site Announcement on UnitedCardists.com

I am checking on uncut sheets still - I do NOT think they will be available, but if they are you will be able to pre-order them starting on Thursday night also.

Here's their v3 deck:

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OK, I'm a quick learner, and I think I actually found something unusual this time.  It's a German deck made in the 40's or 50's (? maybe a lot earlier, but I think that's pretty accurate) with a 12-color process and the courts are like I've heard the "Norwood 85" deck decribed: you can tell the color of their eyes - literally.  Check out the court cards, specifically those two red "B" guys: blue eyes, plain as day.  I speak Danish, but I don't speak German at all (Tyskland in dansk).  I do know that "Blatt" is "Cards", so "Skat 32 Blatt" is "Skat 32 Cards" and "Zanders" is the maker's brand and "GmbH" is a German corporation, and I'll go "FEINPAPIERE" as 'Fine Papers'.  "Düren" is a small town in rural Germany, and "Bergisch Gladbach" is in the Cologne/Bonn Region of North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany.  So - the maker was located (formerly) in two areas of Tyskland. The maker is Metsä Board Gohrsmühle which still produces 'Chromolux' papers and boards and was founded in 1829, about 20km from Cologne (roughly 13 miles).  I figured that out by looking online and finally came across this website: Metsä Board Paper and Board Mill Gohrsmühle.  The tuck itself is awfully plain, and gives you no clue of the cards inside it. What do you think, folks?  I still take crappy pix, that's the best I can do.  These things in natural light look simply amazing!  Sorry about the glare, I had to use a flash to get details and scalability.  Looking at their website, "Zanders Post-Bank" is a maker of fine paper for banknotes and postage - still.

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I tried to post this twice and it just went south - not sure why...  Attempt #3 failed as well, so I'm cut 'n' pasting one more try:

Let's try one more time: two decks of Hochman's NU57 varieties - both a little odd to my eye, anyway.

One's a Bulldog Squeezer with a different AoS than any I've seen - nor can I find it listed in Hochman's encyclopedia.  Marked "New York Consolidated" and "Long Island City" on the tuck box.

The second is a marked deck of Steamboat #220 with a different (marked) back than the usual diamond pattern for these (which includes "Bee #92").  Odd looking baseball-themed AoS as well and a Joker that I can't place elsewhere nor find in Hochman's.  Is this just a marked deck, Tom?  Is it actually unusual?  I know that they printed enough of these to wallpaper both of our houses, but . . .  This one is "Consolidate Dougherty" on the tuck.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / American / Longley L53 or L55?
« on: April 26, 2014, 05:28:28 PM »
This was sold as a Steamboat, but I think it's an Eagles/"Super Enamel" deck. Either way I think I did OK for $25!

It's L55, right? AoS is the same, no Joker as is typical. OB2+

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Tom, what can you tell me about this deck? USPCC #500, has 11, 12 & 13 spot cards "for six handed games". I have never seen it before, it's not in Hochman's unless I missed it after scouring three times. These are the seller pix, I expect the deck in a couple of days but was so intrigued I wanted to ask.

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Introduce Yourself / Hello, everybody: I'm not really new, either...
« on: April 22, 2014, 12:07:49 AM »
Hello to The Discourse members here on ThePlayingCardForum.com!  I'm Mike, the owner of UnitedCardists.com and a 52 + Joker member as well.  Tom, Lee, Don and many of you already know me from "over there", but for the few that don't, we're trying to open a few doors and put our heads together to do the one thing that everybody here agrees about: furthering our hobby of collecting playing cards.

I'm going to be the local host at this year's 52+J annual convention here in my hometown of Charleston South Carolina where I've lived basically since I was born.  Mom's Danish, so I know enough dansk to get by, and I tend to think that way since I was brought up in a multi-lingual household.  That convention will be held Wednesday October 15th through Saturday October 18th and I invite each and every one of you to attend.  Charleston is a fabulous place, if you've never been it's time to visit "America's Most Historic City"!  We'll take in the sights, visit the plantation gardens and maybe even eat lunch at Rarebit.  My wife Donna is planning a great "significant others" track for those who come but aren't necessarily into the hobby, so if you want to spend a couple of days before or after the convention we'd be more than happy to plan some things.  I know for certain that Randy Butterfield and several others are already planning on making a tourist event out of it, so we're prepared to entertain.  That date is less than 6 months away, so if you haven't already made plans, please come visit.  The hotel and convention site is less than 5 miles from my office, the "InnPlace Charleston" and "52plus" works to get the special rate for those dates shown above plus a few days on either side which is $95 including breakfast for two every day.  The hotel is a fabulous property and typical room rates are $149 and up.  It used to be a Marriott and the new owners turned it into an old Charles Town feature, it's a heck of a venue for the convention!  Here's the website where you can make your reservation: http://www.innplacehotels.com/locations/charleston

As far as I know Steve Bowling and the rest of the convention planning crew haven't nailed down the price for this year yet, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's probably going to be about $50 or so.  More news will be forthcoming in the next two issues of the club's newletter "Clear The Decks" which is published by someone you likely already know: Judy Dawson, Tom's wife (AKA "HeartQ" here).  I'm sure as soon as those details are available both Tom and I will post them here and on UC.

Tom if there are any updates that I'm not aware of or I misstated anything, please chime in here and set me straight!

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Sold out...  Sorry!

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