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Almost always you'll find these as having Air Cushion Finish, while these are Bicycle Cards with an Ivory Finish… It's funny Tom, but whenever I start explaining something to you I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop as though you're going to school me with some crazy knowledge and wisdom, reminding me of how much I have to learn… I'm not complaining, just glad you're here and I feel blessed that I am able to learn about something I love so much, from the foremost authority in the world…

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The Source - Card Collecting 101 / Re: Bee Cards
« on: December 24, 2013, 08:49:26 PM »
Wow, Wow, and Wow again!!! Just amazing… I know that I certainly have so much more to learn, as do we all, but I could never have imagined to see such history… Just fantastic Tom… I like every one more than the next… They're just fantastic… I would guess that they're next to non-existent in a complete, sealed deck format… You and Judy are very blessed to have such gems in your collection…

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A piece of USPCC Advertising History alongside (to show scale) an exceeding rare deck of Bicycle Racerbacks c.1940-1955… Would anyone like to venture a guess as to why this vintage run of the mill looking deck of Racerbacks is so exceedingly rare?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Vintage Bicycle Playing Card Scorer
« on: December 24, 2013, 07:41:36 PM »
Here's another example of something I paid handsomely for, however, recently I have seen them going for less… I still see people asking around $100 in mint condition…  Regardless, I love this piece… Floating above a black suede mat, the colors just pop... There's not a soul who enters my office who doesn't inquire about the card… I set the score to my birth year for kicks…

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Bicycle-Playing-cards-Russell-Morgan-Whist-marker-scorer-/330958408571?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0ea88b7b

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Introduction to The Cellar of Fine Vintages
« on: December 24, 2013, 07:14:12 PM »
Ryan… I hear you loud and clear... I will tell you a short story… Last year I purchased a Santa Back Set of playing cards for over one hundred dollars… They were not available and this is a set that I had to have… I still love this set… Fast forward one short year later and they are popping up all over the place for $40 - $60… So I employed a method used when buying stocks called 'dollar cost averaging' and picked up a second set for forty dollars… So you could now say that I own both sets for seventy dollars… But the point I'm getting at is I literally paid almost three times more for the very same set a short while ago, but I am not  at all disturbed by this...  In fact, I am completely happy having purchased them for the hundred+, given they completed an essential part of my collection and I liked them enough that price was a secondary concern… So yes, don't overpay what current market value dictates, and as Don pointed out, this can be easily checked by looking at the sold listings on eBay… However, when dealing with unique  and vintage items, realize that this may be your one opportunity to purchase them, period... So feel free to get a little nuts, just not to the point where it takes food off your table…

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Playing Card Plethora / Daniel Madison Rounders, Players, Dealers...???
« on: December 24, 2013, 02:56:19 PM »
(1) Could someone please clarify the different releases by Daniel Madison and what the differences are between the decks.  In addition, I was given to understand that when initially released this was a marked deck; thus, making it unappealing to me as a collector, as this is not a legitimate deck of cards, but rather a "trick" deck.  (2) Are all of the decks marked?  (3) It may sound silly, but why is there such a demand for these decks?  And by this I mean, handling, finish, design, scarcity, etc… Thanks… -J.

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Please refer to the following post to see various decks that I am selling…
http://www.ebay.com/sch/jmrockauction/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
As always, if any decks interest you and you'd like to purchase direct, please let me know and I'll be glad to pull the listing… In addition, I am always open to reasonable negotiations…
Jonathan Rock
jrock1@optonline.net
Shipping from New York

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Just wicked… Never fails to impress… As a side note, I have to say, I received my Federal 52 Kickstarter package today and I was just blown away… These are amazing decks… I mean really F%@#!NG nice decks… And yes expletives are necessary… I can't remember the last time I felt this good about a deck of playing cards… Jackson is truly an artist… Congratulations… I wish you continued success…

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Please see pics of USPCC Steamboat 999s in blue & green c.1940-1955…  The green is an exceedingly rare color…  Reprints by Dan & Dave can be seen at the bottom in blue & red with an embossed tuck box...

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Introduction to The Cellar of Fine Vintages
« on: December 23, 2013, 07:41:22 PM »
At risk of sounding cliche… A deck's worth what someone is willing to pay for it… Vintage decks that one year ago fetched $130 sold a few weeks back for $40… And vice versa… The market is constantly fluctuating and demand for a particular item dictates price… You should not really be collecting to make $… If you happen to, then that's great, but the value of a deck is what it's worth to you… Regardless of "current market value" people have paid two or three times what the market dictates… It all depends on the how badly a collector wants a specific deck… I'm sure everyone here knows the feeling of opening that box and taking out that deck for which you paid a premium, but couldn't be happier… Even better when you paid pennies on the dollar…  8)...

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Regarding Steamboats…
From the World of Playing Cards: "Owing to the romantic appeal of gambling on the Mississippi river, from the 1870s onwards many American playing card manufacturers added “Steamboats” to their range, differentiated by a number, such as 99 or 999. There do not appear to have been any copyright restrictions or patent laws covering the use of the name “Steamboats” as various manufacturers had this brand in their range. This is not the case with other brands such as “Bicycle” or “Bee”. “Steamboats” tended to be the cheaper end of the range, often but not always produced in a rudimentary quality. The theme of steamboats navigating up and down the Mississippi also extended to the cotton plantations alongside the river and to African American people employed therein who were sometimes depicted on the special Joker card. Times have changed and these cards are now documentary evidence of a past era of history."

As 10ofClubs pointed out, Steamboats were reprinted (beautifully I might add) by D&D… The USPCC was also reprinting these decks well into the 1990s and the early 2000s… At this point in time they are no longer being reprinted…

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I figure I'd start off posting a few pics of one of my favorite vintage decks… 1800's Steamboats with Watermelon Joker… 

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Introduction to The Cellar of Fine Vintages
« on: December 23, 2013, 01:44:07 AM »
Thought I'd post a sort of welcome advertisement that I find apropos...  It's from 1886 advertising United States Playing Cards - Russell & Morgan Printing Co…  I recently had it framed… It reads as follows, "Marble and mirrors and gilded hall; The great and fortunate gather around.  Fortunes change hands here - some appall. Some are flushed with success they found..."  The piece also features the tiger from Russell & Morgan's first deck of playing cards… I get a kick out of the text because this is how I feel while hunting for Vintage Decks… I hope you all get to experience feeling flushed with success you've found… 

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Introduction to The Cellar of Fine Vintages
« on: December 22, 2013, 03:41:08 PM »
I wanted to take the time to thank Tom, Judy, Lee, & Don for their vote of confidence.  As many of you know, I do collect many modern decks.  However, my true passion lies with Vintage Playing Cards.  I feel fortunate to have been chosen to moderate the Vintage Section of the forum.  I especially feel honored to moderate this topic knowing this is the Dawsons' area of interest and expertise.  I rest well knowing that the current owner of the forum quite literally 'wrote the book' on Vintage American Playing Cards.  I look forward to sharing and learning more than ever about a topic that I hold so dear to my heart…

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Playing Card Plethora / Marc Jacobs Vandal Playing Cards - USPCC
« on: December 20, 2013, 11:36:54 AM »
Didn't see anything about these here yet and thought they were wicked… Just picked up a few decks designed by the famous designer Marc Jacobs printed by the United States Playing Card Company… Looks as if every card is unique and designed by Jacobs himself… They're going for stupid money on eBay, but you can order them right through http://www.marcjacobs.com/special-items/special-items/vndlplngdeck/vandal-playing-cards?sort= for $8… shipping's ridiculous at $10, but orders over $50 ship for free for the holidays… Picked up a few extra if anyone's interested…                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

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Tom… Thanks for clearing that up…  It's so nice to have you here to share your extensive knowledge…

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A friend emailed me and stated that he thought the two of hearts, which states Grade No. 92 Bee, Back No. 178 may have been placed upside down in error… Any thoughts from the new owner / aficionado? Thanks… J.

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Well, who would have thought I'd be in the midst of something so great… That is if you collect cards… Great video and thanks for the information Tom & Judy… Should I be that excited that I have some of the decks / cards you had shown on the table???

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A warm welcome to the Dawson family… It will be nice having you here connecting the vintage playing card world to the modern world… All the best!!! -J.Rock

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Not to diminish the shout outs from all the forum members, but without sounding melodramatic, I'm honored that I've helped Asher in his quest for playing card knowledge… I've been bidding big uncomfortable numbers on the bicycle salesmen samples the past month or so, but they just sky-rocketed far out of the realm of reality for me, at this time… I feel blessed to have picked this up… I have a special fondness for Bee & Tally Ho…

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It was actually the exact design as the Bicycle Leaf Back introduced in 1947… It was also the same back used in the Uncle Sam 'Tax Free' Stamp decks released during WWII…

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Closeups of the individual cards and back descriptions...

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I am fortunate enough to be the new owner of a salesman sample of early 1900 Bee Playing Card Backs.  Although this is a new acquisition, I thought it important for everyone who doesn't frequent that page to see the artistry and intricacy that went into making these backs… I've been searching years for these decks and this is the first time I have ever seen them for sale / auction… I can only imagine that the Two of Hearts was glued backwards and is an error in the sample… Enjoy and hope you get as much joy looking at them as I have…  Please see closeups of the cards in the next post due to image constraints...

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Am I the only one that never ever needs to see another Steampunk deck again?

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I've placed many a bid on these decks… I love them… I've seen them in a Variety of colors and back designs… I will say that I haven't seen all that many Vintage USPCC transformation decks, so this deck holds a special place in my heart… I've seen them go for under $100 to over $300… I am still waiting to find a complete deck with box in great condition that will not destroy my pocket… Referring to another board, this is one of the few decks that I wouldn't mind having open to see the artistry involved… (Although I'd still take a sealed deck first)…

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