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My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« on: August 05, 2013, 12:31:34 PM »
 

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I've been working for several months with one of my favorite artists, Joe Dragunas, who has unwittingly sold me his soul in the form of time to develop a new deck I'm calling True Royalty.  We are depicting four kingdoms of the 17th century and portraying period style design and actual rulers of the period.  This is no small project as the artwork is intense and detailed and 100% by hand (no computer work or tracing here).  While I love short project timelines, there is no joke that the design of these cards will take up to 12 months.  So don't hold your breath. :)
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Re: My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2013, 09:41:47 PM »
 

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I am going to move this over to the Design and Development board, looks like a cool concept, keep us posted with updates!
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2013, 09:46:35 PM »
 

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Dang it, Curt, ya beat me to it!  :))

The art's looking nice - this has the potential to be an epic deck.
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Re: My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2013, 07:32:27 AM »
 

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I approved all the sketches a couple of weeks ago and I was shocked and amazed at how much detail he put into them.  I'm used to line drawings, vague representations or just outlines.  Joe, who apologized for the sloppiness of the work, created some of the most impressive art I've seen.  I can't imagine how fine the finished work will be.  Honestly, I'm just assembling the deck, he's truly doing all the work.  I tried to get him to do the deck himself, but he just wants a paycheck.  So 'slap a sticker on it and sell it' as my dad always said.
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I approved all the sketches a couple of weeks ago and I was shocked and amazed at how much detail he put into them.  I'm used to line drawings, vague representations or just outlines.  Joe, who apologized for the sloppiness of the work, created some of the most impressive art I've seen.  I can't imagine how fine the finished work will be.  Honestly, I'm just assembling the deck, he's truly doing all the work.  I tried to get him to do the deck himself, but he just wants a paycheck.  So 'slap a sticker on it and sell it' as my dad always said.

Well, it would probably be a good idea to check with USPC regarding how fine the detail work can be before it turns to mush on the press plate.  I've seen big, detailed pieces of art get shrunk to playing card size and become a shadow of its former self.  I have some Arcanes from an earlier print run, and the art is awful.  In what appeared to be an attempt to make the black deck blacker, they managed in the process to mush all the fine detail work at the edges and make it fuzzy, indistinct or simply no longer visible.  I got a later pressing, the first batch with Performance Coating on it - the black isn't as black (more of a mid-range gray) but those lost details returned and the deck really pops now.

Worst is when it's dark-colored work without good contrast - that turns into an indistinct blob.  You've probably heard me mention the Bicycle Venom and Venom Strike decks.  They looked like they were going to be awesome, with some outstanding art on the back.  But because all the colors were dark with very little contrast among them and there was a good deal of detail work, in the end it really looked like someone took the finished canvas, smushed it into the mud and rinsed it off just a little - as attractive as a bowl of chlorophyll for breakfast.

It's kind of a fine line - artists who aren't minimalists tend to like a fair amount of detail, but you have to remember that the finished work in question is only going to be 3.5 inches tall and 2.5 inches wide.  Classic card backs had detail to them, but only to a point, and the majority were monochromatic (a dark or darkish color on white), allowing for excellent contrast.  It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the artists (at least some of them) actually worked on a canvas that small or close to it when coming up with card back designs.  Enlargements and reductions weren't quite as easy back then, I'd imagine, certainly not when brands like Bee, Congress and Bicycle were created (mid-late 19th-century)!
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Re: My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2013, 12:29:14 PM »
 

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this has the potential to be an epic deck.

Agreed, keeping a close eye on this one! :)
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Re: My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2013, 12:30:39 PM »
 

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I've seen big, detailed pieces of art get shrunk to playing card size and become a shadow of its former self.

Trust me, too much detail is a real concern.  I have an Italian book from the early 1700's which has a nice yellow hue that I wanted to mimic, however I don't know if there'd be enough contrast to see the details of the art.  I don't want to do stark white, so i may end up with a light eggshell darkening slightly at the edges.  No doubt getting test cards done will be a must!.

You can see more samples of Joe's art on his flikr page:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmdragunas
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Re: My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2013, 11:36:57 PM »
 

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I've seen big, detailed pieces of art get shrunk to playing card size and become a shadow of its former self.

Trust me, too much detail is a real concern.  I have an Italian book from the early 1700's which has a nice yellow hue that I wanted to mimic, however I don't know if there'd be enough contrast to see the details of the art.  I don't want to do stark white, so i may end up with a light eggshell darkening slightly at the edges.  No doubt getting test cards done will be a must!.

You can see more samples of Joe's art on his flikr page:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmdragunas

With the cost of a test deck from USPC these days, you're probably best off with just a test print of the uncut sheet.  I've also heard of designers using companies like Brahma or Zazzle to get a one-off test print in the form of a deck - it's not the same as printing with USPC, but even USPC's test decks/sheets aren't the same as the finished product, because they're printed on a computer printer (albeit a LARGE one) rather than on a printing press using plates.  It would give you an idea of what the finished product will look like, but it won't be 100% like the end result.
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Re: My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2013, 11:24:32 AM »
 

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A few of the rough sketches I approved.  The kingdoms represented for the period will be England, Spain, France and Russia.
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Re: My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2013, 02:02:31 AM »
 

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Amazing sketches. Don't overdo it with the colors and make it look like a painting on a deck of cards. Maybe even keep the court cards two-tone.

Also, apparently you've been naughty.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2013, 10:54:33 AM »
 

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Amazing sketches. Don't overdo it with the colors and make it look like a painting on a deck of cards. Maybe even keep the court cards two-tone.

Also, apparently you've been naughty.

The only color will be some minor Red to highlight a feature or two.  The intent is that these are engravings and not paintings.  And yes, i have been up to naughty business, no wait... I've been up to Not eBusiness. 
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Re: My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2013, 02:09:35 AM »
 

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Those are some very promising sketches!

It would be awesome to see a heart/spade/club/diamond pip drawn in that style.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2013, 10:01:11 AM »
 

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Those are some very promising sketches!

It would be awesome to see a heart/spade/club/diamond pip drawn in that style.

Sorry, I'm not the best at photographing sketches
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Those are some very promising sketches!

It would be awesome to see a heart/spade/club/diamond pip drawn in that style.

Sorry, I'm not the best at photographing sketches

You did a decent job of it - they look good.
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Re: My 12 Month Project - True Royalty Deck
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2013, 03:22:36 PM »
 

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Those are some very promising sketches!

It would be awesome to see a heart/spade/club/diamond pip drawn in that style.

Sorry, I'm not the best at photographing sketches

Those look nice!

Not ridiculously styled, but definitely detailed and classy.
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2013, 03:34:06 PM »
 

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Very interesting and promising deck! Let's see how it comes. ;)
 

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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2013, 09:14:42 AM »
 

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This is what hand drawn actually looks like.
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This is what hand drawn actually looks like.

That is EXTREMELY impressive.  Please, I beg of you, make sure your lovely details won't be smushed into a blur during the printing process.  Keep the art within the restrictions of the press' capabilities.  It would be a disaster to see all that detail lost.
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2013, 07:43:31 AM »
 

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That is EXTREMELY impressive.  Please, I beg of you, make sure your lovely details won't be smushed into a blur during the printing process.  Keep the art within the restrictions of the press' capabilities.  It would be a disaster to see all that detail lost.

I will be testing cards throughout to make sure they don't get muddied, but yes it's a real concern when you are attempting to perform detailed artwork, especially when done completely by hand and then digitized.
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That is EXTREMELY impressive.  Please, I beg of you, make sure your lovely details won't be smushed into a blur during the printing process.  Keep the art within the restrictions of the press' capabilities.  It would be a disaster to see all that detail lost.

I will be testing cards throughout to make sure they don't get muddied, but yes it's a real concern when you are attempting to perform detailed artwork, especially when done completely by hand and then digitized.

...and then shrunk to a teeny little 3.5 x 2.5" canvas...and then printed on dimpled paper by a CMYK press...
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2013, 10:28:14 AM »
 

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That is EXTREMELY impressive.  Please, I beg of you, make sure your lovely details won't be smushed into a blur during the printing process.  Keep the art within the restrictions of the press' capabilities.  It would be a disaster to see all that detail lost.

I will be testing cards throughout to make sure they don't get muddied, but yes it's a real concern when you are attempting to perform detailed artwork, especially when done completely by hand and then digitized.

...and then shrunk to a teeny little 3.5 x 2.5" canvas...and then printed on dimpled paper by a CMYK press...

That's exactly how I test.  I'm often surprised at how much detail stays when converted from 8 1/2 x 11 to 3.5 x 2.5.  I suspect that Royal Optic has the same concerns.
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