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Title: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Derek on January 04, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
Hey guys, I just designed an ace of spades to be my logo for my new youtube channel. It's called Cardistree, which inspired this design. Let me know your ideas about it, I'm open to anything!


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Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: dmbaggs on January 04, 2012, 10:01:28 PM
Haha I dig the design. It's a little wide though. If you tightened it up a little I think it would look extra sharp.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 04, 2012, 10:06:53 PM
I agree, looks better!


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Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: loldudex2 on January 04, 2012, 10:18:10 PM
I love it and I love the name!

It looks like something Ncyclopedia would have on the transformation deck, which is a huge compliment.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 04, 2012, 10:28:08 PM
I love it and I love the name!

It looks like something Ncyclopedia would have on the transformation deck, which is a huge compliment.


Thank you! That's a huge compliment because his deck made my jaw drop... I respect his work immensely, can't wait for it to be printed!
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Evan on January 04, 2012, 10:31:14 PM
Haha dude thats awesome!  :D
Are you designing a deck?
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 04, 2012, 10:33:12 PM
Haha dude thats awesome!  :D
Are you designing a deck?


No sir... but I'm starting to like the idea of it. I know if I start I'll be completely obsessed with it  ???
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Evan on January 04, 2012, 10:55:05 PM
Haha dude thats awesome!  :D
Are you designing a deck?


No sir... but I'm starting to like the idea of it. I know if I start I'll be completely obsessed with it  ???
The Cardistree deck! Its such a great idea for all of us in the community. You could really go far with this deck
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 04, 2012, 10:57:44 PM
Haha dude thats awesome!  :D
Are you designing a deck?


No sir... but I'm starting to like the idea of it. I know if I start I'll be completely obsessed with it  ???
The Cardistree deck! Its such a great idea for all of us in the community. You could really go far with this deck


I would love to do it! Here's a quick 2 minute design for the Ace of Spades...


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Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Evan on January 04, 2012, 11:01:18 PM
Looks really good!
What does it say on the tree?
And the pips in the corners look a little sloppy.

But if you did that in 2 minutes... you can do a lot in 10  :P or more
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: moonexe on January 04, 2012, 11:04:24 PM
That tree looks really nice, I never realized how easy it would've been to fit a tree in a spade shape. ::)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 04, 2012, 11:09:44 PM
Looks really good!
What does it say on the tree?
And the pips in the corners look a little sloppy.

But if you did that in 2 minutes... you can do a lot in 10  :P or more


Haha I honestly don't like the pips or the 'A', I just wanted to get the overall look.
On the tree it says 'JU & DW" My friend's initials and mine. If I were to make it into an actual deck, I'd probably leave them out.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 04, 2012, 11:35:53 PM
This took about 5 seconds, but you get the picture - possible ace of hearts.


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Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 05, 2012, 05:25:38 AM
The heart looks like the spade's roots!  These are cool designs.  Imagine a card back in this theme...
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: dmbaggs on January 05, 2012, 06:08:36 AM
Yeah it looks much better with it being less wide!! Haha that would be a funny deck with the pun and all.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 05, 2012, 06:51:09 AM
Cool idea: add the shadow that the tree would cast if it was real!


So, when do we get to see the club and the diamond?  ;)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Lushbob on January 05, 2012, 11:44:04 AM
Those designs look pretty awesome!
I'd be interested in seeng the rest of this not-yet-existent deck! ;)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: IAmTheChin on January 05, 2012, 12:23:19 PM
Your name made me laugh. Very clever. I like both the heart and spade design but there a bit of inconsistency in theme. The heart looks like a heart with veins. The Spades look like a branch and root system. Love both ideas especially since they keep the same rhythm, but combining the two may be a challenge in the future as far as theme goes. Of course the Transformation deck showed us that Variety is a them in itself. But seriously, your name, love it lol.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 05, 2012, 12:56:51 PM
Your name made me laugh. Very clever. I like both the heart and spade design but there a bit of inconsistency in theme. The heart looks like a heart with veins. The Spades look like a branch and root system. Love both ideas especially since they keep the same rhythm, but combining the two may be a challenge in the future as far as theme goes. Of course the Transformation deck showed us that Variety is a them in itself. But seriously, your name, love it lol.


Thanks for the ideas! Honestly, all I've actually put any work into is the Spade design thus far. If I commit to making a whole deck then I'll definitely make sure the heart, diamond, and clubs match the theme.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 05, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
Clubs would look something like this


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Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Emmanuel on January 05, 2012, 03:24:28 PM
Very nice work, and I love the name!  :D
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: dee1orean on January 05, 2012, 05:10:12 PM
Cardistree deck.... I'd copyright that right now if I was you!

If you wanted to persue this as a full deck, I think with a bit of work you could be onto a winner.

I'd be interested in seeing how you'd incorporate the court cards..
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: dmbaggs on January 05, 2012, 06:52:04 PM
Yeah custom court cards would be hard with this theme. I'd be interested to see what you come up with
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 05, 2012, 08:33:35 PM
I'll probably team up with my sister on this if I decide to go forward with a whole deck. She's an amazing artist and is very talented with pattern design and these types of things.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 05, 2012, 11:16:27 PM
I'll probably team up with my sister on this if I decide to go forward with a whole deck. She's an amazing artist and is very talented with pattern design and these types of things.


Ever see pictures of "old man Nature" in the form of a face in a tree?  Awesome concept for a King...
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 06, 2012, 03:40:49 PM
I'll probably team up with my sister on this if I decide to go forward with a whole deck. She's an amazing artist and is very talented with pattern design and these types of things.


Ever see pictures of "old man Nature" in the form of a face in a tree?  Awesome concept for a King...


No I don't think I have, care to share?  ::)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Paul Carpenter on January 06, 2012, 04:14:11 PM
Very cool idea and design. There sure are a lot of talented people around here...
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 07, 2012, 12:50:34 AM
I'll probably team up with my sister on this if I decide to go forward with a whole deck. She's an amazing artist and is very talented with pattern design and these types of things.


Ever see pictures of "old man Nature" in the form of a face in a tree?  Awesome concept for a King...


No I don't think I have, care to share?  ::)

Imagine something that's a cross between the face on the Infinity joker and the Ents from the Lord of the Rings movies.  I tried a quick search to find better images, but failed.  I'm sure the character has a different, better name but I can't think of it at the moment.  He's essentially a druidic archetype, worshiper of nature and all that.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 07, 2012, 03:26:02 PM


Imagine something that's a cross between the face on the Infinity joker and the Ents from the Lord of the Rings movies.  I tried a quick search to find better images, but failed.  I'm sure the character has a different, better name but I can't think of it at the moment.  He's essentially a druidic archetype, worshiper of nature and all that.



Sounds epic, and perfect for the theme!
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Billywiz on January 07, 2012, 07:59:47 PM
Yes the Ent court cards would be amazing with this theme.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 08, 2012, 01:18:13 AM
Imagine something that's a cross between the face on the Infinity joker and the Ents from the Lord of the Rings movies.  I tried a quick search to find better images, but failed.  I'm sure the character has a different, better name but I can't think of it at the moment.  He's essentially a druidic archetype, worshiper of nature and all that.



Sounds epic, and perfect for the theme!

Yes the Ent court cards would be amazing with this theme.

Yeah, but don't go calling them Ents - Tolkien's heirs might have a legal word or two to say about it!

I envision the "druids" as the Jacks and Kings, with Mothers Nature on the Queen and Jokers.

What about a deck back?  So far we're seeing a "winter" deck, with naked deciduous trees.  What would fit that theme on the back, aside from an intricate pattern of branches?  If you did that, I could see four trees with trunks meeting in the center and treetops aimed at the corners.

And of course, there's the age-old debate: bordered or borderless?  :)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Evan on January 08, 2012, 01:28:11 AM
Imagine something that's a cross between the face on the Infinity joker and the Ents from the Lord of the Rings movies.  I tried a quick search to find better images, but failed.  I'm sure the character has a different, better name but I can't think of it at the moment.  He's essentially a druidic archetype, worshiper of nature and all that.



Sounds epic, and perfect for the theme!

Yes the Ent court cards would be amazing with this theme.

Yeah, but don't go calling them Ents - Tolkien's heirs might have a legal word or two to say about it!

I envision the "druids" as the Jacks and Kings, with Mothers Nature on the Queen and Jokers.

What about a deck back?  So far we're seeing a "winter" deck, with naked deciduous trees.  What would fit that theme on the back, aside from an intricate pattern of branches?  If you did that, I could see four trees with trunks meeting in the center and treetops aimed at the corners.

And of course, there's the age-old debate: bordered or borderless?  :)
I say go with borders! I prefer borders MUCH more.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Billywiz on January 08, 2012, 01:53:34 AM
Back design... How about leafs falling sort of thing, or other leaf design. Maybe a bark back design?
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: moonexe on January 08, 2012, 02:18:33 AM
I say go with borders! I prefer borders MUCH more.
I say go with whatever looks best regardless...
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 08, 2012, 02:23:34 AM
I say go with borders! I prefer borders MUCH more.
I say go with whatever looks best regardless...

Well, this is one of those subjective things...  One man's "looks best" is another man's "god, that's hideous!"  I generally prefer borders, but if the deck is more artistic, I can see where a borderless design might be desired.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 08, 2012, 01:03:06 PM
I think I would go for borders. If you think about most borderless decks, the backs are usually some sort of very repetitive pattern, like the Bee's, Stickman deck, even the new D&D vintage decks. I would want the back to be very intricate, with curving branches, maybe leaves, even whole trees and roots. I think a border would work best with that. I've already told my sister and she's going to be designing it with me, patternwork is her speciality!
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 09, 2012, 02:36:45 AM
I think I would go for borders. If you think about most borderless decks, the backs are usually some sort of very repetitive pattern, like the Bee's, Stickman deck, even the new D&D vintage decks. I would want the back to be very intricate, with curving branches, maybe leaves, even whole trees and roots. I think a border would work best with that. I've already told my sister and she's going to be designing it with me, patternwork is her speciality!

So, will there be a Kickstarter project in your future?  ;)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 09, 2012, 02:49:17 AM
I think I would go for borders. If you think about most borderless decks, the backs are usually some sort of very repetitive pattern, like the Bee's, Stickman deck, even the new D&D vintage decks. I would want the back to be very intricate, with curving branches, maybe leaves, even whole trees and roots. I think a border would work best with that. I've already told my sister and she's going to be designing it with me, patternwork is her speciality!

So, will there be a Kickstarter project in your future?  ;)


I do believe so!  ;D  Someone will have to fill me in on how to set all that up  ::)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 09, 2012, 03:00:48 AM
Alex is one person to ask - though his experience wasn't entirely a happy one.  Also look for user RWKercheval - he's the mind behind the Brimstone and Americana decks.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 09, 2012, 03:35:10 AM
Sweet, I definitely will. Love the Brimstone deck  :D
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Paul Carpenter on January 09, 2012, 02:07:33 PM
Derek,

Just a word of warning with Kickstarter: you will need to spend some serious time researching, running numbers and planning things out. Even with all that, there is no guarantee of success but without all those details in line (knowing precisely how much money you need, where it will all go, what rewards are most successful, etc) I think it will be almost impossible to get it funded. I've spent many an hour staring at spreadsheets and juggling numbers around to see if I can get an easy to understand project that people will back and I'd highly recommend you do the same! :)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 09, 2012, 03:17:33 PM
Derek,

Just a word of warning with Kickstarter: you will need to spend some serious time researching, running numbers and planning things out. Even with all that, there is no guarantee of success but without all those details in line (knowing precisely how much money you need, where it will all go, what rewards are most successful, etc) I think it will be almost impossible to get it funded. I've spent many an hour staring at spreadsheets and juggling numbers around to see if I can get an easy to understand project that people will back and I'd highly recommend you do the same! :)


Thanks for the advice! If/When I decide and commit to making a deck, I'll take it very seriously and spend a good amount of time researching all the aspects of it. I don't want to jump in with both feet unless I know this whole deal is feasible.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Evan on January 14, 2012, 09:28:49 PM
Have you come up with any more designs?
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 15, 2012, 02:32:40 AM
Have you come up with any more designs?


Not yet, been very busy with getting ready for this semester etc. I'm going to try and come up with some more designs by the end of this month!
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 18, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
I'm in contact with the USPCC about a quote right now. I just want to know where I should be starting from. Then I'll work on the designs, which will definitely take a long long long long time  :-[
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: moonexe on January 18, 2012, 07:03:43 PM
Quote
A preliminary quote for 2,500 decks: $2.07 per deck, per design. Final quote will depend on artwork
                                     5,000 decks: $1.89 per deck, per design.

This preliminary quote includes Bicycle grade paper and custom tuck case

The custom tuck case is our standard tuck case that you see with our Bicycle decks

Cards are Poker size and you can choose Embossed or Smooth finish

Other options are seals and cello wrap that are included with the price if you choose them

56 cards come standard

The following will be art charges for a single design custom back, custom card faces and custom tuck:

Custom Tuck Case: $160.00
Custom Card Backs: $110.00
Custom Card Faces: $600.00
Ad cards: $60.00 per card
Additional art services if needed: $75 per hour

Uncut sheets: $5.00 per sheet, these ship with your order

This is a standard quote I got with my promo deck. ;)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 18, 2012, 07:06:42 PM
Quote
A preliminary quote for 2,500 decks: $2.07 per deck, per design. Final quote will depend on artwork
                                     5,000 decks: $1.89 per deck, per design.

This preliminary quote includes Bicycle grade paper and custom tuck case

The custom tuck case is our standard tuck case that you see with our Bicycle decks

Cards are Poker size and you can choose Embossed or Smooth finish

Other options are seals and cello wrap that are included with the price if you choose them

56 cards come standard

The following will be art charges for a single design custom back, custom card faces and custom tuck:

Custom Tuck Case: $160.00
Custom Card Backs: $110.00
Custom Card Faces: $600.00
Ad cards: $60.00 per card
Additional art services if needed: $75 per hour

Uncut sheets: $5.00 per sheet, these ship with your order

This is a standard quote I got with my promo deck. ;)


That's most likely what I'll get then haha. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Paul Carpenter on January 19, 2012, 07:37:48 PM
This is a standard quote I got with my promo deck. ;)


That's most likely what I'll get then haha. Thanks!


I think most everyone gets that quote. It will change when you start getting specific and adding options. I think their 2012 prices are also a bit higher as well.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 19, 2012, 10:35:03 PM
I was very specific so I'll see what she says. Since my deck will be Cardistree I thought it would be awesome to have recycled paper.... Buuuut they can't do that for me they said.

Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Evan on January 20, 2012, 02:09:44 AM
I'm sure we'd all like to see some of the new designs if they're ready  :)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: moonexe on January 20, 2012, 04:21:59 AM
Since my deck will be Cardistree I thought it would be awesome to have recycled paper.... Buuuut they can't do that for me they said.
That's weird, I would've thought they could accomodate this kind of request, maybe for a little price extra... Not to mention the bicycle eco decks are still in print and made of recycled paper if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 20, 2012, 04:35:26 AM
Since my deck will be Cardistree I thought it would be awesome to have recycled paper.... Buuuut they can't do that for me they said.
That's weird, I would've thought they could accomodate this kind of request, maybe for a little price extra... Not to mention the bicycle eco decks are still in print and made of recycled paper if I'm not mistaken.


Still available, perhaps, but still in print?  Mine are copyright 2008, made in Cincinnati.  They're probably still selling out the old stock since it was likely a large-ish production run, with specially-obtained paper for the decks and boxes (even the ink was custom on that one, with vegetable-based dyes).  My local shops are still selling Ohio Tallys and Bees, but they're black seal, meaning they're transition decks that may have been made in Kentucky.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: moonexe on January 20, 2012, 04:46:32 AM
You're right, I hadn't thought about this. In this case I could understand that a customer-specific paper would be more of a problem (except for Theory11 it seems...)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 20, 2012, 04:52:26 AM
You're right, I hadn't thought about this. In this case I could understand that a customer-specific paper would be more of a problem (except for Theory11 it seems...)


Or perhaps it would be a cakewalk - if you ordered it in a large-enough quantity to make it worth ordering.  You buy enough and fork over the cash, they'll make cards on angel wings printed with holograms that sing...
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Paul Carpenter on January 20, 2012, 04:59:21 AM
You're right, I hadn't thought about this. In this case I could understand that a customer-specific paper would be more of a problem (except for Theory11 it seems...)


Or perhaps it would be a cakewalk - if you ordered it in a large-enough quantity to make it worth ordering.  You buy enough and fork over the cash, they'll make cards on angel wings printed with holograms that sing...


I'm sure you are right. If you want 30k decks and have $75,000 laying around they'd do anything you want. If you want a small number you have to be a bit more traditional. Though look at Ellusionist and the UV500 stock.  Even they couldn't afford to get the special paper anymore and had to give it up.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 20, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
Yeah I'm sure that is the situation. She said all she can offer me is Bee or Bicycle stock. I'm sure if I was a big company then she would be able to help me out more. I'm thinking of going with different colors rather than black and red. Maybe a dark brown and a dark red?  ;D
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 20, 2012, 11:18:02 AM
I'm sure we'd all like to see some of the new designs if they're ready  :)


Working on it  ;)
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Evan on January 20, 2012, 11:40:54 AM
Yeah I'm sure that is the situation. She said all she can offer me is Bee or Bicycle stock. I'm sure if I was a big company then she would be able to help me out more. I'm thinking of going with different colors rather than black and red. Maybe a dark brown and a dark red?  ;D
Brown is not a color that I like on a deck of cards. Thats just my opinion I wouldn't like to see brown. Although it would go with the theme.... I just don't like brown
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 20, 2012, 01:38:28 PM
Yeah I'm sure that is the situation. She said all she can offer me is Bee or Bicycle stock. I'm sure if I was a big company then she would be able to help me out more. I'm thinking of going with different colors rather than black and red. Maybe a dark brown and a dark red?  ;D
Brown is not a color that I like on a deck of cards. Thats just my opinion I wouldn't like to see brown. Although it would go with the theme.... I just don't like brown


Yeah just a thought. I want to make the cards special in some way, not just the boring black and red. Maybe incorporate a small design in the pips like the pink ribbon cards, or like the ace of spades on the ghost deck.....
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 24, 2012, 03:26:57 AM
Yeah I'm sure that is the situation. She said all she can offer me is Bee or Bicycle stock. I'm sure if I was a big company then she would be able to help me out more. I'm thinking of going with different colors rather than black and red. Maybe a dark brown and a dark red?  ;D
Brown is not a color that I like on a deck of cards. Thats just my opinion I wouldn't like to see brown. Although it would go with the theme.... I just don't like brown


Yeah just a thought. I want to make the cards special in some way, not just the boring black and red. Maybe incorporate a small design in the pips like the pink ribbon cards, or like the ace of spades on the ghost deck.....

If you're making a tree-oriented deck, brown and green would be the natural combination, as I see it.  The two colors are actually fairly common - before the advent of the black deck, the most common colors for a deck besides red and blue were green and brown.  Just look at all the old Bicycle designs done in those colors.  And the Asher Fournier 605's come only in green and brown.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 24, 2012, 08:21:21 PM
Yeah I'm sure that is the situation. She said all she can offer me is Bee or Bicycle stock. I'm sure if I was a big company then she would be able to help me out more. I'm thinking of going with different colors rather than black and red. Maybe a dark brown and a dark red?  ;D
Brown is not a color that I like on a deck of cards. Thats just my opinion I wouldn't like to see brown. Although it would go with the theme.... I just don't like brown


Yeah just a thought. I want to make the cards special in some way, not just the boring black and red. Maybe incorporate a small design in the pips like the pink ribbon cards, or like the ace of spades on the ghost deck.....

If you're making a tree-oriented deck, brown and green would be the natural combination, as I see it.  The two colors are actually fairly common - before the advent of the black deck, the most common colors for a deck besides red and blue were green and brown.  Just look at all the old Bicycle designs done in those colors.  And the Asher Fournier 605's come only in green and brown.


That's very true. Times have changed though and I'm just thinking about what everyone would be most receptive to nowadays. If i went for brown and green it would be a 100% everything custom deck. I like the idea of a brown back though, with all of the wood and curving angles. Would be nice to have a matching colored pips on the flipside.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: RandyButterfield on January 24, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
That's a great idea! The back design could be a closeup of wood grain or tree bark, and the grain and knots could be built up as intricate shapes or patterns. Maybe the wood grain could wrap around the shape of the main Cardistree tree and the Cardistree tree itself could look like it's carved or burned into the wood surface.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 24, 2012, 10:33:44 PM
That's a great idea! The back design could be a closeup of wood grain or tree bark, and the grain and knots could be built up as intricate shapes or patterns. Maybe the wood grain could wrap around the shape of the main Cardistree tree and the Cardistree tree itself could look like it's carved or burned into the wood surface.


That's a sweet idea. I wouldn't make it extremely obvious, but burn in the pattern, king of like how the split spades are, but it wool fade and intermingle with the wood. I'm getting excited about this deck! Gotta get with my sister soon and knock out some design work.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 25, 2012, 01:29:38 AM

That's very true. Times have changed though and I'm just thinking about what everyone would be most receptive to nowadays. If i went for brown and green it would be a 100% everything custom deck. I like the idea of a brown back though, with all of the wood and curving angles. Would be nice to have a matching colored pips on the flipside.

Matching green and brown pips should be simple enough - you're already creating some degree of customization in the faces, so why not?

What people are most receptive to are two things: either a big name (D&D could make a deck on toilet paper, call it S&M v7, and it would sell out) or a strong, solid artistic vision.  The best-remembered decks are the ones that truly are works of art, fully custom and pushing the boundaries of what a deck can look like - and not just for the sake of pushing boundaries, either.

That's a great idea! The back design could be a closeup of wood grain or tree bark, and the grain and knots could be built up as intricate shapes or patterns. Maybe the wood grain could wrap around the shape of the main Cardistree tree and the Cardistree tree itself could look like it's carved or burned into the wood surface.

That's a sweet idea. I wouldn't make it extremely obvious, but burn in the pattern, king of like how the split spades are, but it wool fade and intermingle with the wood. I'm getting excited about this deck! Gotta get with my sister soon and knock out some design work.

Burned, carved, or just plain naturally-occurring - you have options.

Here's an idea I like: create a "winter" and "summer" version of the deck.  The summer version would be a bird's eye view of a forest, with treetops appearing as small dots in clusters, a few open fields here and there - a completely symmetrical pattern allowing for a two-way back.  Then the winter version would be the same exact scene in winter; bare deciduous trees, just like on the card faces, fields covered in snow, perhaps some animal footprints visible.  You could conceivably do spring and fall versions as well, if you prefer the color scheme better - and that would also work nicely, since the faces are "winter" themselves!  The backs would be before and after!
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 28, 2012, 08:23:41 PM

That's very true. Times have changed though and I'm just thinking about what everyone would be most receptive to nowadays. If i went for brown and green it would be a 100% everything custom deck. I like the idea of a brown back though, with all of the wood and curving angles. Would be nice to have a matching colored pips on the flipside.

Matching green and brown pips should be simple enough - you're already creating some degree of customization in the faces, so why not?

What people are most receptive to are two things: either a big name (D&D could make a deck on toilet paper, call it S&M v7, and it would sell out) or a strong, solid artistic vision.  The best-remembered decks are the ones that truly are works of art, fully custom and pushing the boundaries of what a deck can look like - and not just for the sake of pushing boundaries, either.

That's a great idea! The back design could be a closeup of wood grain or tree bark, and the grain and knots could be built up as intricate shapes or patterns. Maybe the wood grain could wrap around the shape of the main Cardistree tree and the Cardistree tree itself could look like it's carved or burned into the wood surface.

That's a sweet idea. I wouldn't make it extremely obvious, but burn in the pattern, king of like how the split spades are, but it wool fade and intermingle with the wood. I'm getting excited about this deck! Gotta get with my sister soon and knock out some design work.

Burned, carved, or just plain naturally-occurring - you have options.

Here's an idea I like: create a "winter" and "summer" version of the deck.  The summer version would be a bird's eye view of a forest, with treetops appearing as small dots in clusters, a few open fields here and there - a completely symmetrical pattern allowing for a two-way back.  Then the winter version would be the same exact scene in winter; bare deciduous trees, just like on the card faces, fields covered in snow, perhaps some animal footprints visible.  You could conceivably do spring and fall versions as well, if you prefer the color scheme better - and that would also work nicely, since the faces are "winter" themselves!  The backs would be before and after!


Thank you for the advice, i love the idea of a forest from above. I'll talk to my sister about that tonight.


I did a little different ace of spades tonight, let me know what you guys think. Good? Bad? Better? Worse? And advice?


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Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: moonexe on January 28, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
The birds are a great touch, and I prefer the shape of that one since it looks more natural, but I kinda prefer the roots of the old one. So I would say a mix of both versions. ;)
 
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 28, 2012, 08:44:36 PM
The birds are a great touch, and I prefer the shape of that one since it looks more natural, but I kinda prefer the roots of the old one. So I would say a mix of both versions. ;)


I do like the roots of the first one. I'll try to make a combo. The birds definitely stay though!
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Evan on January 28, 2012, 08:51:32 PM
The birds are an awesome addition! It really fits the "tree" kind of theme.
I also love the shading that you added! Really great work
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 29, 2012, 01:01:53 AM
I could easily envision the occasional stray bird or two cruising around on most if not all of the card faces...  Maybe even a flock on a few of them.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: dmbaggs on January 29, 2012, 03:56:15 AM
Haha nice touch with the birds! That could make for some cool gaff cards  :D

I wouldn't mind seeing a combo of the two aces like @moon.exe mentioned
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 29, 2012, 04:05:31 PM
I just envisioned the Jokers to be some sort of tree with a face in it, and the birds would be flying around. Then the second joker would have one of the birds carrying a reveal card in its beak. Something like that... i'm getting excited about this deck!
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on January 30, 2012, 12:39:03 AM
I just envisioned the Jokers to be some sort of tree with a face in it, and the birds would be flying around. Then the second joker would have one of the birds carrying a reveal card in its beak. Something like that... i'm getting excited about this deck!

And here you thought you were just making an Ace of Spades...  :))

You should be excited - this is "fertile ground" to play with in terms of the design of your deck, ground that's never really been covered before by any deck I've ever heard of.
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 30, 2012, 12:32:39 PM
I just envisioned the Jokers to be some sort of tree with a face in it, and the birds would be flying around. Then the second joker would have one of the birds carrying a reveal card in its beak. Something like that... i'm getting excited about this deck!

And here you thought you were just making an Ace of Spades...

You should be excited - this is "fertile ground" to play with in terms of the design of your deck, ground that's never really been covered before by any deck I've ever heard of.


I enjoyed your pun  ;)  I think If I make the designs appealing enough, people will back me since there really aren't any other decks like it  :D
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: kensei777 on January 30, 2012, 06:00:19 PM
I love the design. How's the progress so far? The talk so far has gotten me really curious(and excited) as to what the backs are going to turn out. Good luck!  :D
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Derek on January 31, 2012, 08:55:10 PM
I'm collaborating with my sister right now. We feel like we want to make the deck sort of erie. You can already see in my second tree that it's kind of creepy... What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Ace of Spades Design
Post by: Don Boyer on February 01, 2012, 12:43:35 AM
I'm collaborating with my sister right now. We feel like we want to make the deck sort of erie. You can already see in my second tree that it's kind of creepy... What do you guys think?

You're thinking more like "haunted forest"?  I don't know...  I kind of liked the spare design of a "winter" deck front.  You're using a theme without bashing people over the head with it.

All I can say is, show us a draft and we'll see how it looks.  We may hate it, we may love it.
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Derek on February 01, 2012, 10:33:30 PM
I think we have a winner here... Let me know what you guys think. Indicies and font is not decided obviously, just focusing on the design right now.




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Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Evan on February 01, 2012, 10:35:37 PM
I love the roots that were added! Maybe you could try making the tree a bit bigger?
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Derek on February 01, 2012, 10:37:21 PM
I love the roots that were added! Maybe you could try making the tree a bit bigger?


That's the first thing I thought when I saw it posted here.


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Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Evan on February 01, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
Much better! Thats beautiful. If that is the finished AoS then I'm happy :)
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Derek on February 01, 2012, 10:45:03 PM
Much better! Thats beautiful. If that is the finished AoS then I'm happy :)


I think it will be  ;D  I may tweak the birds... And the font and pips will probably be Bicycle. Unless I can come up with something unique that is sick, like the Infinity deck which I LOVE.
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: chdmagicdude on February 02, 2012, 03:53:21 AM
i like how it's a tree i like how it looks you are good at designing cards.
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: moonexe on February 02, 2012, 03:57:43 AM
Wow! Now THAT'S a nice ace of spades! Nothing to say here, it looks great.
It's just an idea, but since you said you wanted an eerie kind of feel, I think it'd be nice if the ace of clubs was some sort of footprint left in the forest by... Something. ;D
And have a little story to go with it! Like Fulton's Clip Joints.
 
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: NathanCanadas on February 02, 2012, 11:59:07 AM
I have to admit: I LOVE IT!!!!!!
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: kensei777 on February 02, 2012, 12:22:11 PM
Very nice. Go for it man. Which one's next? Clubs, Hearts, or Diamonds?
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Derek on February 02, 2012, 01:27:36 PM
Thanks everyone! I was just thinking about where im going to put the text on tye card... Cardistree and USPCC etc.. Hmm
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: chdmagicdude on February 02, 2012, 01:35:48 PM
no problem what are you designing on the discourse deck?
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Derek on February 02, 2012, 01:41:31 PM
Im doing the ace of diamonds and also working on the back with you I guess  :o
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: chdmagicdude on February 02, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
dont you like the back?
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Derek on February 02, 2012, 01:54:39 PM
We need to incorporate everyones signitures.
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: chdmagicdude on February 02, 2012, 01:56:05 PM
we can do that on the back.
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: NathanCanadas on February 02, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Lol, he just said that. Plz try not posting this much because then it is really confusing when we read threads like these.
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Don Boyer on February 02, 2012, 04:16:08 PM
Thanks everyone! I was just thinking about where im going to put the text on tye card... Cardistree and USPCC etc.. Hmm


Print them in red.  Simple.  You can even have the roots weaved into the word "Cardistree".  Don't like red?  Brown, green, blue, pick your poison!
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Derek on February 02, 2012, 10:48:02 PM
Thanks everyone! I was just thinking about where im going to put the text on tye card... Cardistree and USPCC etc.. Hmm


Print them in red.  Simple.  You can even have the roots weaved into the word "Cardistree".  Don't like red?  Brown, green, blue, pick your poison!


I think I may do brown  ;D  And I like the idea of weaving the roots into Cardistree, I'll have to work on that!
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: sinsandman on February 12, 2012, 06:16:36 PM
I love the roots that were added! Maybe you could try making the tree a bit bigger?


That's the first thing I thought when I saw it posted here.


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Derek, your designs are sick as hell and I am fully onboard if you go the creepy route. My only piece of advice is as follows; the root directly to the right of center root...it looks like an amateur flame design. I am not sure if that is the best way to describe what point I am trying to get across, but if you look at it I hope you see what I am referring to. Maybe just make that particular root a little thinner so it doesn't look like a flame?
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: hazofhorsham on February 13, 2012, 12:19:05 AM
Looking awesome Derek!!!
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: NathanCanadas on February 13, 2012, 12:41:08 AM
Can't wait for this deck to come out! Nice job Derek, especially with your juggling between the Discourse and the Cardistree decks!
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: phantom1412 on March 09, 2012, 02:58:17 AM
I like the theme of your deck, is it going to be printed?
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Evan on March 09, 2012, 03:38:06 PM
Derek, how are the designs going? I think you should put this deck first and the discourse deck second... you are very into both of them
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Don Boyer on March 09, 2012, 11:59:46 PM
What happened to your last few images?  Anything after Feb. 1 is listed by Tinypic as moved or deleted.
Title: Re: *Cardistree Deck UPDATES*
Post by: Lara Krystle "Lane" on March 15, 2012, 08:32:34 AM
 Same here I can't see any photos as well. :(