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Got six mint sealed Club Special Bee decks done for CARC in 2011 to trade.Something vintage, mint sealed preferred but will consider interesting modern. Let me know what you have to offer at
Tom.dawson@sympatico.ca

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The Source - Card Collecting 101 / Playing Card Ephemera
« on: January 23, 2014, 08:14:26 PM »
Note 1 - This is a replacement posting with the same information as posted earlier today.
Note 2 - Clicking on the image will load a larger view in a separate tab

PLAYING CARD EPHEMERA
Many playing card collectors also have a fascination for related collectibles, for example items associated with card games or gambling, items with playing card images or motifs, or the ephemera that is associated with playing cards. An attempt to list all known playing card related objects would fill many posts and is beyond the scope of this post. Suffice to say, we have seen collectibles with playing card motifs in glass and porcelain, wood, paper, metals, fabrics, ivory, celluloid, plastics, and almost every other material known to man.

One area of interest to many collectors is commonly referred to as “playing card ephemera”. The word ephemera likely means different thing to different readers, but for our purpose we will define it as “items made from paper products which either use playing card images in a significant way or are associated with decks of playing cards or playing card manufacturers”. We say paper products because ephemera, by definition, means something that was not made to last and that, in most instances, was expected to be discarded within a reasonably short time of its use.

Examples of ephemera using playing card images would include postcards, general advertising, fruit labels, trade cards, calendars, posters and store cards. Ephemera more directly related to playing card manufacturers and their products would include product advertising, wrappers, extra cards, letterheads and envelopes, billheads, packaging and display boxes, booklets, trade cards, catalogs and price lists, salesman’s samples, and playing card tax stamps.

Like collecting the cards themselves, collecting playing card ephemera provides almost endless variety. This special area has become, for many card collectors, one of significant interest and fascination. It provides one with much more insight into the makers, and the quality and beauty of the ephemera itself adds greatly to the collector’s interest. It is interesting that, amongst people who collect various types of paper ephemera, items printed by the playing card manufacturers, especially those from about 1870 to 1920, are in great demand because of the high quality of the printing and lithography used by these quality printers in promoting their own products.

Playing card ephemera was made to be discarded after its intended use was over. Most of it is even more fragile, and consequently needs more tender care and preservation, than playing cards themselves. Storage in appropriate archival materials is a must, if one is to preserve the item to the best of one’s ability, thus keeping it for others to enjoy in the future and, incidentally, preserving its value.

A few examples below:
Some sterling silver spoons with a playing card motif. It is surprising how difficult it is to find these.


There are literally thousands of postcards with playing card images, people playing cards, cheating at cards, casinos, etc. Something for all tastes!


This is a wrapper from a deck of cards made in New York in the early 1800s. Rare to find such ephemera without the deck!


We have seen hundreds of sheet music covers with playing card themes. This one displays rather large playing card images. They are 19th century with the one-way courts, square corners and no indices.


Finally, another category that is hard to find – an old envelope from a playing card company – in this case New York Consolidated Card Co. which contained a few sample cards.



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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Playing Card Auction - January to March 2014
« on: January 16, 2014, 04:00:44 PM »
Hi everyone
Our Club holds an annual mail auction in early spring each year. Details are on the Auction Page at the Club's website
http://www.52plusjoker.org/dnn/Auction/tabid/76/Default.aspx

There are 11 pages with seven decks per page and two pages with a total of eight selections of playing card ephemera. There are many antique decks, decks from Europe and a nice selection of vintage items, including several from the 1950's to the 1990s. Take a look, browse carefully through the pages at your convenience and download any of the pages you wish to have on a permanent basis.

Everyone is welcome to view the auction pages and those who wish to can download them to their computers. However to bid in the auction, you must be a member of 52 Plus Joker. I have posted pictures below of a few of the lots. Title card from Titanic transformation deck by Elaine Lewis - 2013; Joker Royal Playing cards NYCC c1890; King American Indian Souvenir c1905; Dougherty trade card c1875; back from ad deck for Cotton Belt RR c1905.

Please contact Tom or Judy Dawson if you have any questions - via a post or a PM.

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Playing Card Plethora / Playing Card Auction - January to March 2014
« on: January 16, 2014, 02:51:13 PM »
Hi everyone
The premier American Playing Card Collectors Club holds a mail auction every year in early spring. Details are on the Club's website
http://www.52plusjoker.org/dnn/Auction/tabid/76/Default.aspx
Everyone is welcome to view the auction pages and those who wish to can download them to their computers. However to bid in the auction, you must be a member of 52 Plus Joker.

There are 78 lots of decks and seven pieces of playing card ephemera in the auction - something for everyone. Below is a sampler of a card from each of 20 different lots.

Please contact Tom or Judy Dawson if you have any questions - via a post or a PM.

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The Source - Card Collecting 101 / Collecting Playing Cards
« on: January 08, 2014, 09:01:54 AM »
Playing cards have been known since at least the early 1300’s, and it is a safe wager that almost since that time there have been people who were fascinated enough by the card images, artistry and folklore surrounding the cards to collect them. Certainly by the 17th century there were collections housed in museums and we can speculate that individual collections abounded as well. It is not the place of this comment to describe the many fine collections that have been accumulated in museums and private hands over the centuries, but is noteworthy that there now seem to be more collectors of old and unusual playing cards than ever before, and a growing number of people are building collections of modern decks, especially with new designs and finishes.

Although basically meant for playing games, cards have been used for many other purposes. Their use as an advertising media has grown steadily. They have been used for Fortune Telling, by charlatans, for centuries. During World War II, they were used to instruct and help teach Aircraft recognition. Decks have been designed to aid the traveler in communicating in foreign languages. Legends are told of their use as a prayer book and an almanac.

Collectors, whether casual or serious, fall into several categories. Firstly, there are those who collect complete decks of cards and those whose primary interest rests in collecting single examples of playing cards, whether for a court card, Joker or back interest. Then there are those who collect playing cards related to another main interest, for example Coca Cola whose advertising decks are highly desired by Coke collectors, or gambling paraphernalia where American collectors like to add Faro or Steamboat decks to their displays.

Within the deck collectors group there are many different divisions. For example we have collectors who collect decks from a certain country, or countries. Those who only add non-standard designs to their collections are another group. We have people who collect only certain categories – like decks that advertise products. Then there are those who collect only old and antique cards. And recently we have seen a large number of collectors on the search for new designs, which has spawned an amazing number of designers – some great, some good and some, well not so good! The list goes on, and on, and on.

Regardless of what you collect, there is something out there for you. The trick is finding it! For the collectors of antique and vintage decks, one has to look to antique shops and shows, auctions, eBay, trading with fellow collectors, conventions of playing card clubs and societies, etc. For those with an interest in new designs, the internet and trading with fellow enthusiasts seem to be the main marketplaces.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / 1881 Sportsman's #202
« on: January 01, 2014, 02:02:26 PM »
Happy New Year to all! This year I intend to post items from our collection on a semi-regular basis. To start here's one of the first decks made by  Russell Morgan & Co., the main predecessor company to the United States Playing Card Co. This deck, their second ever brand, was called Sportsman's #202 and featured the duck hunting theme you see on the Spade Ace and Joker. It has a great pachyderm back, the early RM & Co. courts and a colorful tuck-case.The US on the box refers to their branding of their cards from the very beginning as "US Playing Cards".

We hope you enjoying viewing these old cards. I am sure the majority of members of The Discourse have not had the opportunity to see many cards like this. If you like them maybe you'll have enough interest to join 52 Plus Joker and maybe even join us at our annual convention to be held in Charleston this coming October!

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The Source - Card Collecting 101 / Catalog of Vintage/Antique Card Backs
« on: December 24, 2013, 08:33:49 PM »
Seems to be a lot of interest in Bee decks on this Forum. As a thought - let's see how many different backs there have been since the first deck in 1892. As a start, here is a page from an price list of New York Consolidated Card Co. I imagine there'll be a few surprises there for everyone. Let's hope we wake up in the morning and find a mint Bee deck in our stocking. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Vintage - Antique Meanings
« on: December 24, 2013, 07:15:26 PM »
I noticed a lot of chatter quite a while ago about the meaning of Vintage and Antique when it comes to playing cards. This is a toughie. I think we have decided for The Cellar of Fine Vintages, that 20 years or older makes sense. Antique means different things to different people but no one will argue that it's antique if it is over 100 years old. That leaves a long era for Vintage - from 20 to 80 years since production.

Then there is collectible. I look at collectible as anything from Antique to this morning - and if it is newer rather than older it has some features that distinguish it from the norm, the standard, the mundane.

Now I have another problem - she who must be obeyed came in, asked what I was doing, and when I explained she said categorically that Vintage was 30 years old, at least. Oh well, no peace tonight in the Dawson household.

In the final analysis, like beauty, Vintage is in the eye of the beholder! I think we'll stay with 20 for this Board.

Comments?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Introduction to The Cellar of Fine Vintages
« on: December 21, 2013, 01:57:38 PM »
Welcome one and all to The Cellar of Fine Vintages, a meeting ground for those interested in learning more about, and sharing their knowledge in, vintage and antique playing cards.

The collectors of playing cards seem, at present, to fit into two distinct groups.  There are those whose main interest is collecting older cards; and those whose primary interest is collecting new, non-standard cards – particularly those emanating from the plethora of young designers who have realized that the modern computer gives them the tools to create wondrous new designs with a degree of precision that was not available only a generation ago.  To be sure, there is some overlap between these collectors, but the majority at the moment lean either one way or the other rather than both.

This latter, more tech-oriented group also realized that the sharing of information about their hobby was easily accomplished through the Internet – discussion forums, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, etc.  To a large extent, the collectors of vintage and antique cards, being an older crowd, pass over these tools for learning and communicating about their interests, preferring their generation's methods such as the telephone, the fax machine and the printed newsletter.  They knew what they were familiar with and were comfortable with it.

Being one of the former type of collector, but having been exposed to some of the joys of the latter group, it dawned on me that each group had much to offer the other.  Additionally, younger, more modern collectors have begun showing more interest in the classic designs of yesteryear, just as vintage card men such as I have begun to take notice of the artistry in some of the finer examples of the latest breed of custom playing cards.

A light bulb turned on – I saw an opportunity to "bridge the gap", to enable more communication between these groups.  This was my main motivation for acquiring The Discourse when it became available.  I realized it could be used a nexus for both groups to intermingle and "cross-pollinate" each other's interests, as well as providing a simple platform that can motivate the older collectors to give the newer communication tools a try.

The Cellar of Fine Vintages is a start.  We have seeded the message board with many of the existing posts that we believe more properly belong here.  We are fortunate to have a great moderator in Jonathan Rock, a member of both the Discourse and the 52 Plus Joker Club.  You can bet that Judy and I, and slowly more and more of the "dinosaurs" from our world, will be here often to add content, to share our information and experiences and to answers questions from those seeking to expand their horizons.  Rest assured, fellow dinosaurs, that you will find, as I have, a warm welcome from the membership of the Discourse, eager to learn from you and to offer you help when you need it.  I look forward to many wonderful conversations here with all of you!

Tom

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GREETINGS TO ALL DISCOURSE MEMBERS AND GUESTS

Hi, my name is Tom Dawson, and I'm the new owner of the Discourse Forum. Together with my wife Judy, we are longtime collectors of old and unusual decks and officers of 52 Plus Joker - the premier American Playing Card Collectors Club. Judy and I are also the authors of the definitive work on early American cards – The Hochman Encyclopedia of American Playing Cards.

Like all of you, we live and breathe playing cards!

WHY DID I PURCHASE THE DISCOURSE?

My primary purposes are to provide an environment for The Discourse to continue to grow and flourish,  as well as to venture with 52+ Joker in providing Discourse membership access to a different dimension of playing card collecting and at the same time, allowing the 52+ Joker membership to learn about and understand modern card design and the modern card collector.

Simply put, we all love the same thing – Playing Cards. There’s a lifetime of information to learn from each other, so let’s get started.

Judy and I filmed an interview early last year with local magicians Ben Train and Chris Mayhew for their project Series of Unfortunate Effects. While this video is planned to launch early next year, we would love to let you watch it now. We show you a little bit of our Playing Card collection, and share a few essential tips to help you with yours.


Tom and Judy Dawson on Playing Cards - click image above to watch

Like the clip above, our plan is to introduce new content on unusual, antique, and vintage playing cards from the vast knowledge base of 52+ Joker members' collections and experience as well as from articles published in our quarterly publication, Clear The Decks.

WHAT IS THIS 52 PLUS JOKER ORGANIZATION?

For  those of you who don’t know about 52+ Joker, it  was founded about 30 years ago to enable collectors to share information and buy and sell unusual, vintage and antique American playing cards. Sound slightly familiar?

Judy and I, and many other members of the 52+J, are also knowledgeable about playing cards from other continents of the world. For those who want more information about this great club, please visit the official 52 Plus Joker website and have a look around.

Maybe even purchase yourself a membership as an early gift this holiday season? The club would love to have you!

THANK YOUs

Before I sign-off and let the forums start chatting to a feverish pitch, I want to thank a few people who helped make all this possible:

The Discourse Staff - I'm glad to have you here, and look forward to a bright future together, etc.

Alex Yusupov – You have worked hard to make the Discourse a terrific source for playing card aficionados, and we thank you. You can rest well knowing this forum remains in good hands and will continue to have the benefit of your involvement.

Don Boyer –  Your enthusiasm for playing cards is infectious. It’s an honor to have you continue running The Discourse. Thank you for all your help.

And finally …

Lee Asher – I couldn’t have done any of this without you, and I am excited that you will continue to be my consigliere on this journey. Thank you!

NOW WHAT?

Now it’s time we celebrate in the hobby [avocation!!!] of collecting playing cards. I look forward to meeting many of you on this Forum and hearing your comments, views, and opinions about this exciting collectible we all love and treasure.

Let’s talk playing cards!

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Introduce Yourself / Another New Guy - but not a New Collector
« on: December 07, 2013, 05:43:56 PM »
Hello Fellow Collectors
My name is Tom Dawson and I have been collecting playing cards since, I suspect, before the majority of you were born. It started in 1976 when tired of sitting in the car while she who must be obeyed [Judy] stopped at every antique store, I decided I had to collect something! It started as a defensive move, became a hobby then an avocation. Along the way Judy became more and more interested in the history and variety of old cards and now shares the collection with as much interest and enthusiasm as I do.

We collect mainly antique and vintage cards from 1930 back - and primarily ones made by US manufacturers. Our collection is extensive and includes maybe 100 old European decks and albums full of ephemera [transitory written or printed matter not meant to be retained or preserved]. Lately we have become quite fascinated by the superb designs of many of the newer decks that so many of you post about and have acquired some from CARC, Jackson Robinson, Alex Chin and Paul Carpenter to name a few.

Along the way we wrote the definitive catalogue of all the brands published by American makers from the beginning until about 1940 [ http://www.dawson-on-playingcards.info/Hochman/index.htm ]. We are always available to try and answer any questions you might have on old cards.

We are both very involved with the premier American Playing Card Collectors Club - 52 Plus Joker. You might want to visit the club site http://www.52plusjoker.org/dnn

We hope to set up a category for 'discourse' on antique and vintage cards on this site as time goes on. Meanwhile here are a few items from our collection to whet your appetite!

Cheers
Tom [&Judy]

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