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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Kanped on November 29, 2011, 01:16:43 AM
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OK, Alex sent me the link which is a reveal teaser to the second Aether Cards deck. I'm not going to post the image and I'm sure you'll all get to see it before long. I'm going to give a little info and my own impressions; bear in mind, this was a teaser picture and my impressions could be way off what Alex is going for, and will probably be very different from your own. If you ask a question, I'll respond to it but I'm trying to to give too much away here, so I might be kinda cryptic. I like cryptic.
Actual info; these will have a pre-release sale so you can get in early just like the Vortex. This will be coming sooner than most people are probably expecting (sooner than I was, anyway). They will be fully customized and maintain the symmetry-pip layout of the Vortex. That's all :P
As for overall impressions; the Vortex deck is an out-there design. It's very different to the norm. The second deck doesn't seem to be going in that direction; it's certainly not your standard custom job and I strongly feel that it stands out amongst everything else that's going on but it's a refinement of, or maybe a new take on, things we have seen before. It's more 'simple' but it's detailed and elegant and I think beautiful. I'll say this; it really is my kind of deck and I'm already really excited for it.
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That's good to hear!
Alex, you can count on my wallet! ;)
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@skaclown: Thank you! :D
Fate: This is the 777th topic.
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I am extremely excited to hear that and i am counting down the days until i can have both decks in my hands!
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I saw that to. But in the blur version.
Really, can't wait to see the real one.
Do you have any estimate time for the annoucement?
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Hmmm... I think these will have a solid release date by the time you're holding your Vortex decks.
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Do the moderators get to see these teaser pics??
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CBJ
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im wondering if the one i saw is the next one or not? either way it was good.
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Alex sent me this pic today too! ;D
It really looks awesome! I know you'll all enjoy it.
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The ONLY people that have seen the teaser are EZ and Kanped, the rest of you saw a teaser for Vortex v2, something that isn't coming out for a long time.
@CBJ: If you were an omni-mod you would! The entirety of the tuck box is posted in the staff boards, which I haven't yet made include mods too.
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I will probably pick up 3 of these. I don't need 6 this time because it's not going to be limited I don't think.
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I will probably pick up 3 of these. I don't need 6 this time because it's not going to be limited I don't think.
I doubt if the money Alex will be making out of this venture would stretch to an unlimited run. It's funny, though; you don't really know anything about them and are already talking purchases? Worry about it later, man; for now, get hype.
Here is Hype Dog to help you
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I will probably pick up 3 of these. I don't need 6 this time because it's not going to be limited I don't think.
I doubt if the money Alex will be making out of this venture would stretch to an unlimited run. It's funny, though; you don't really know anything about them and are already talking purchases? Worry about it later, man; for now, get hype.
Here is Hype Dog to help you
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/8365/hypedogr.gif)
Lol, we have to get through the Vortex deck first, but if it isn't like 5,000 decks i meant like if it was 10 or more I would probably wouldn't get as much, but i'm sure the hype will start soon.
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@Austin: It's going to be limited once more. 5k or less run. I am in no position to drop $40k on a run of cards.
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@Austin: It's going to be limited once more. 5k or less run. I am in no position to drop $40k on a run of cards.
Ok, so I will probably get about 6-8 decks again.
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@Austin: It's going to be limited once more. 5k or less run. I am in no position to drop $40k on a run of cards.
Why 40k? Is there more features in this deck then the last one?
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If he printed 10,000 decks or more.
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@Austin: It's going to be limited once more. 5k or less run. I am in no position to drop $40k on a run of cards.
Why 40k? Is there more features in this deck then the last one?
$40-60k is the cost of a 30k run. 10k decks would cost roughly $30k to make.
The demand for Aether decks are simply not at the level of Ellusionist or T11. Our decks sell, and they sell damn well (4k/5k sold already through Kickstarter alone), but the profits made are minuscule and far from enough to fund a larger print.
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@Austin: It's going to be limited once more. 5k or less run. I am in no position to drop $40k on a run of cards.
Why 40k? Is there more features in this deck then the last one?
$40-60k is the cost of a 30k run. 10k decks would cost roughly $30k to make.
The demand for Aether decks are simply not at the level of Ellusionist or T11. Our decks sell, and they sell damn well (4k/5k sold already through Kickstarter alone), but the profits made are minuscule and far from enough to fund a larger print.
A 30k run? Thats a ton! I was thinking like 10k... 15 at the most!
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@Austin: It's going to be limited once more. 5k or less run. I am in no position to drop $40k on a run of cards.
Why 40k? Is there more features in this deck then the last one?
$40-60k is the cost of a 30k run. 10k decks would cost roughly $30k to make.
The demand for Aether decks are simply not at the level of Ellusionist or T11. Our decks sell, and they sell damn well (4k/5k sold already through Kickstarter alone), but the profits made are minuscule and far from enough to fund a larger print.
A 30k run? Thats a ton! I was thinking like 10k... 15 at the most!
Someone suggested unlimited, 30k takes care of that. Maybe we can pull off a 10k run on the third deck?
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@Austin: It's going to be limited once more. 5k or less run. I am in no position to drop $40k on a run of cards.
That would sound nice considering the first 2 are 5k run then the third if we can sell enough of the second deck we could get a 10k run for number three.
Why 40k? Is there more features in this deck then the last one?
$40-60k is the cost of a 30k run. 10k decks would cost roughly $30k to make.
The demand for Aether decks are simply not at the level of Ellusionist or T11. Our decks sell, and they sell damn well (4k/5k sold already through Kickstarter alone), but the profits made are minuscule and far from enough to fund a larger print.
A 30k run? Thats a ton! I was thinking like 10k... 15 at the most!
Someone suggested unlimited, 30k takes care of that. Maybe we can pull off a 10k run on the third deck?
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(http://aethercards.com/teasers/vortexfinale.png)
Well, since Alex has made this public now, I may as well leave it here, too. Awesome, right?
The box says 'Air Cushion Coating' and 'Premium /// Stock' (it's 3 numbers but I can't make them out. 829?).
(http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv12/kanped/Untitled-1-3.png)
(http://[url=http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv12/kanped/Untitled-1-3.png]http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv12/kanped/Untitled-1-3.png[/url])
Also, Alex told me that he wasn't sure if they were going to have borders or not. Now, everyone should know I love borderless decks and I think that good design in that area has never really been done before but the last thing I want to do is hurt this deck's chances of being as successful as the first, so what do you guys think?
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A lot about this deck is still undecided. The info revealed isn't 100% final. I'd say what you can make out in that image is 99% final though.
Very nice sleuthing on Kanped's part too!
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A lot about this deck is still undecided. The info revealed isn't 100% final. I'd say what you can make out in that image is 99% final though.
Very nice sleuthing on Kanped's part too!
I can get the box much clearer but you can read it anyway. It's so annoying being able to see the stock without knowing what the numbers are to read up on it :). Closest I can find is 929 which was used on the Blue Ribbon decks like a hundred years ago.
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The numbers are purposefully a secret, I can say that right now. You got part of it right though.
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I'm an idiot; I think I know what it is now. I was trying to read the numbers and google 'USPCC ###' when what I should have been doing is thinking about what it's likely to be and then checking the number of that stock.
I guess I ate my words about being able to figure this stuff out; and it was completely staring me in the face the whole time, too. Oh, well, I've worked it out now and I guess all that remains now is to give myself a nice big congratulatory high five.
:D :D :D
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Is getting a sneek peek of this deck a FOTW prize?
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I got too see this teaser about a week early for FOTW. I think ez got it that week as well?
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Yeah you guys got to see it at the same time, it was last week's prize.
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Is this Harlequin series as in Harlequin Romance? If it is...I would put Fabio on the front of the Deck!!! :) Side note: This is why I only collect cards and don't design them!
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Is this Harlequin series as in Harlequin Romance? If it is...I would put Fabio on the front of the Deck!!! :) Side note: This is why I only collect cards and don't design them!
Google is your friend. ;D
I won't be revealing anything else about the deck for a little while.
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Looking forward to some more info on this! Although, judging from Alex's last post, it may be a while. :P
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Tip: Don't google images for "Harlequin"..... you end up with harlequin baby
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Tip: Don't google images for "Harlequin"..... you end up with harlequin baby
Wow! Im going to school for nursing and even I found that disturbing.
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Tip: Don't google images for "Harlequin"..... you end up with harlequin baby
Wow! Im going to school for nursing and even I found that disturbing.
Harlequin babies are disgusting, but also very sad. Nature can play some cruel jokes on people.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand! Any guesses on what the deck will look like?
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Not really any guesses....
But if you look at the mystery section of the pic, the background of it could be part of the deck design...
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Not really any guesses....
But if you look at the mystery section of the pic, the background of it could be part of the deck design...
I hope that background is the back design, it looks amazing!
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The deck will have some sort of red in it im pretty sure It it will most likely be a blackish deck.
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Hello, Alex.
I'm just curious where will you sell this deck if you wont use kickstarter?
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Hello, Alex.
I'm just curious where will you sell this deck if you wont use kickstarter?
Actually, that's a very good point. I'm wondering that too.
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We'd use a store system on our website for the pre-order. More secure, allows us to instantly charge your card, among other things.
Again this is all assuming Kickstarter ends up screwing me out of thousands of dollars by delaying payment collection.
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Oh, all right. That makes sense. Good luck!
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We'd use a store system on our website for the pre-order. More secure, allows us to instantly charge your card, among other things.
Again this is all assuming Kickstarter ends up screwing me out of thousands of dollars by delaying payment collection.
Damn kickstarter I hope they lose business and know one go's to them again.
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We'd use a store system on our website for the pre-order. More secure, allows us to instantly charge your card, among other things.
Again this is all assuming Kickstarter ends up screwing me out of thousands of dollars by delaying payment collection.
Damn kickstarter I hope they lose business and know one go's to them again.
I wouldn't wish that upon them Austin. Sure, they need to fix this problem and work to make sure that it won't happen again. Kickstarter is an awesome site that helps people work to make their ideas and creations come to life. I think it is a great site and definitely can help make great things happen, the Vortex deck for example. I'm simply hoping that they get Alex's problem sorted out and that they work to make the Kickstarter experience a better one.
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Well anyways I think the numbers are 979 or 379
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Well anyways I think the numbers are 979 or 379
Just a quick question, did you read the whole thread, someone posted what the stock was somewhere on this thread :P
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I guess I ate my words about being able to figure this stuff out; and it was completely staring me in the face the whole time, too. Oh, well, I've worked it out now and I guess all that remains now is to give myself a nice big congratulatory high five.
Judging by that awesomely worded subtle hint, I'm guessing that the stock is 825. :P
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Well anyways I think the numbers are 979 or 379
Just a quick question, did you read the whole thread, someone posted what the stock was somewhere on this thread :P
He said thats as close as he could get and Alex said he was partially right. Did you read the whole thread?
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I guess I ate my words about being able to figure this stuff out; and it was completely staring me in the face the whole time, too. Oh, well, I've worked it out now and I guess all that remains now is to give myself a nice big congratulatory high five.
Judging by that awesomely worded subtle hint, I'm guessing that the stock is 825. :P
Ohh, wow never noticed that lol of I never looked to see what it meant. It might be right who knows.
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I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it's probably right. Not that it means anything to me, though. xD
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It's probably the 825 because that is what is used with Bee casinso decks. And since we didn't reach that goal this time he might just give it to us next time.
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OK, cat's out of the bag; I'm pretty sure it's 825 i.e., the Bee Casino stock that the Vortex didn't end up getting. However, Alex might not have wanted that officially known just yet, perhaps because it might change and he doesn't want people to be disappointed, and I could still be wrong about the numbers so we'll wait and see.
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OK, cat's out of the bag; I'm pretty sure it's 825 i.e., the Bee Casino stock that the Vortex didn't end up getting. However, Alex might not have wanted that officially known just yet, perhaps because it might change and he doesn't want people to be disappointed, and I could still be wrong about the numbers so we'll wait and see.
Which is probably why he hasn't confirmed or denied anything in case something changes.
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Sorry guys, no more info on these cards until 2012. This is the last bit of information until then:
The deck will take familiar aspects of card design, but push them to the limit. As always, no AC deck will ever be produced without some kind of fun innovation and experimentation. In this case, the Bicycle logo has been reworked from scratch to look so much more aesthetically pleasing, while retaining everything that makes the logo what it is.
The decision to use Bicycle branding has to do with the imagery used in the deck - it would make no sense not to. That, and the fact that many collectors buy only Bicycle cards. I want the privilege of adding my deck to their collections.
As you guys may have seen in the promotional image, SymmetryPip will be used in this deck, but the pips will not be as small as they are in the Vortex deck.
In terms of handling, I will be working with the USPCC get the best snap and durability possible.
Whether or not these will be funded by Kickstarter is not yet confirmed.
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I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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Sorry guys, no more info on these cards until 2012. This is the last bit of information until then:
The deck will take familiar aspects of card design, but push them to the limit. As always, no AC deck will ever be produced without some kind of fun innovation and experimentation. In this case, the Bicycle logo has been reworked from scratch to look so much more aesthetically pleasing, while retaining everything that makes the logo what it is.
The decision to use Bicycle branding has to do with the imagery used in the deck - it would make no sense not to. That, and the fact that many collectors buy only Bicycle cards. I want the privilege of adding my deck to their collections.
As you guys may have seen in the promotional image, SymmetryPip will be used in this deck, but the pips will not be as small as they are in the Vortex deck.
In terms of handling, I will be working with the USPCC get the best snap and durability possible.
Whether or not these will be funded by Kickstarter is not yet confirmed.
This just makes me even more excited!! On the bright side 2012 is not that far away at all. Less than a month.
The way you described altering the Bicycle logo sounds interesting. I can't wait to see what you came up with
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OHHH, i can't wait to see the next one.
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That little teaser has made me pretty excited. :P
Another great reason why I can't wait for 2012!
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I thought I should probably post this pic here too.
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Alex, you usually say you hate Bicycle decks. Is there any reason why you are making this one a Bike deck?
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Alex, you usually say you hate Bicycle decks. Is there any reason why you are making this one a Bike deck?
I hate the Bicycle Standards from Erlanger because they took one of my favorite, classic designs and removed all quality control from the printing process which resulted in an awful deck of cards.
I also hate the Bicycle decks that are barely customized, i.e. Merz decks. Other than that, I love Bicycle decks and always have. :)
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Alex, you usually say you hate Bicycle decks. Is there any reason why you are making this one a Bike deck?
I hate the Bicycle Standards from Erlanger because they took one of my favorite, classic designs and removed all quality control from the printing process which resulted in an awful deck of cards.
I also hate the Bicycle decks that are barely customized, i.e. Merz decks. Other than that, I love Bicycle decks and always have. :)
Oh, ok. I only said that because in one of your deck reviews (Outlaws or Vision I think) you said something along the lines of "I usually hate Bicycle Cards", but I understand.
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Also I think I remember Alex saying that he wanted a to make a deck for the collectors of USPCC decks. CBJ collects Bicycle cards and the Harlequin deck fits into his collection.
Correct me if I'm wrong though haha :)
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Also I think I remember Alex saying that he wanted a to make a deck for the collectors of USPCC decks. CBJ collects Bicycle cards and the Harlequin deck fits into his collection.
Correct me if I'm wrong though haha :)
I do collect mostly Bicycle decks. I will be posting updated pics of my collection on Monday.
CBJ
Happy New Year guys!
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@alex correction, I've seen the entire back design :)
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@alex correction, I've seen the entire back design :)
I don't remember showing it to you ... when? :P
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Just to dig this up, I got a Magic Circle deck today. Smooth finish by Cartimundi and it's actually a really nice deck. Decided to compare it side by side with a USPCC smooth (Ivory) finish deck (Bee Acorn Back). It stacks up pretty well. it's maybe not as slidey as the Bee but the cut of the stock seems a bit softer and they still handle great. I know this is going to be Bicycle branded anyway but I know you were thinking about smooth finishes lately so it might be worth checking out.
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I had a harlequin deck idea after playing batman arkham asylam but since i know nothing about graphic design and i can't draw anything but stick figures the ideas have always just been stuck in my head. I'm looking forward to seeing this deck and since it says series i'm assuming you're making more than one?
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Ha ha... Harley Quinn and Harlequin are pretty different things, dude. As for i being a series... I doubt even Alex knows at this point; but since it says 'Harlequin series' and not 'Part of the Harlequin series' or something like that, it's pretty open-ended.
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I plan on releasing more iterations of the Harlequin deck, but let's face it I can't know anything for sure right now. We're getting other Vortex decks because you guys spoke with your wallets and bought them. If you guys want more Harlequin series decks, it will be a matter of how quickly we can sell them. One thing is for sure, I am not all those other insane companies that think it's okay to pump out a couple decks each month. I'm sticking to my guns of ~4 decks per year.
As for Harley Quinn, that's one of my favorite characters from Batman, and makes for one awesome pun, but is nowhere near where the inspiration for the deck was drawn from. I guess there are some similarities in terms of the patterning on her costume & the colors, but the Harlequin deck is an homage to the colors and imagery of the theme, not its use in popular culture.
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lol i know the difference between Harley Quin and Harlequin..i grew up with my mom collecting harlequin dolls, which i might add is horrible for a child because those suckers were scary. I just said i thought about the idea from the pun itself. Harley Quin..which is an awesome character i hope to be for halloween sometime, led to me thinking of the dolls..which led to the patterns and colors associated with harlequins...plus how cool would a harlequin joker be. Anyways, like i said before, I'm looking forward to seeing his design for this.
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Another teaser pic! ;D
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MagicAddictz just posted on facebook that this is the 2nd in a trilogy... I thought the vortex deck was a trilogy and this was just the 2nd deck from aethercards. Can somebody fill me in?
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MagicAddictz just posted on facebook that this is the 2nd in a trilogy... I thought the vortex deck was a trilogy and this was just the 2nd deck from aethercards. Can somebody fill me in?
I can't remember where exactly I read the info, but I do believe that the vortex is it's own separate series, different from the Harlequin deck. I am not 100% sure....but like 99%
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Evan probably just made a mistake and said Vortex instead of Aether, I really don't think Alex would put two seemingly unrelated decks in the same series. ;)
Especially considering this one is Bicycle-branded and the Vortex wasn't.
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Here is what I read that confused me...
Not much info on this deck yet!
It is from the same company who produced the Vortex Deck and this deck is the next in their Trilogy of decks!
The pics are just teasers, so they don't reveal much.
Thanks for the help Curt. I'm hoping that Alex isn't just releasing three decks!! ;)
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I'll clear up some confusing. The way I will be producing my decks will be by releasing them in series. For example, the Vortex deck is a trilogy. The Harlequin? Unknown right now, but I would love to make more of them in the future. Unlike other companies that either release unrelated decks, or simple color variations, my goal is to create new artwork for each release in a series while maintaining the same motif throughout.
The Vortex series is three decks, with the next one coming out after Harlequin. People also asked about color variations and the like. I plan on doing something very cool with color variations, and I will only release them in extremely limited quantities.
For those of you that are curious, by the way, 2,000 Harlequin decks will be sold and that's it. I'm testing the waters with this one, and if it sells well, I will continue the series and maybe even release more branded cards. Furthermore, the deck will break new ground in a lot of areas, and I don't want to do a huge run on something so risky despite how confident I am that the risks are worth it.
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For those of you that are curious, by the way, 2,000 Harlequin decks will be sold and that's it.
:o That's something we really can't miss!
In all honesty, theme-wise the Vortex didn't fall into my interests, though it is indeed beautifully done and I'd still get one or two decks from a reseller given the chance. The Harlequin, however, sounds much more appealing to me, I can't wait to see what you come up with. And even if you completely destroy the conventions, if you think it's worth it, by all means do it. New ideas are always welcome, even if not by everyone. ;)
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Interesting. Is this taking advantage of the newer 2,500 minimum deck order, then, with 500 held in reserve?
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Last I heard, there was a 5,000-deck minimum, but that for established/prominent/well-paying customers, they're willing to go lower. It wasn't long ago that the Bicycle White New Fan Back was made in a run of 1,000...
Alex, how many Vortex decks are being made? I'm curious if your 2,000-deck run will be enough to meet demand, which I think will be higher this time around for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that Vortex will be/is successful.
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Actually, I don't know how long it's been this way, but the email I got after requesting a promo deck as well as the quote they wsent me with it clearly state that the minimum run is 2,500 decks - with a minimum cost per deck of $2.07(that is for a deck with standard faces, before art fees, other customization options etc.)
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Last I heard, there was a 5,000-deck minimum, but that for established/prominent/well-paying customers, they're willing to go lower. It wasn't long ago that the Bicycle White New Fan Back was made in a run of 1,000...
Alex, how many Vortex decks are being made? I'm curious if your 2,000-deck run will be enough to meet demand, which I think will be higher this time around for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that Vortex will be/is successful.
5,000 Vortex decks are being printed, with about 4,500 sold to the public. Less than half that amount are the Harlequins. :)
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Wow those are gonna be some "most wanted" decks!! I'll have to be on my toes for that one. I'm guessing this one won't be a kickstarter
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I've seen the prototype backs for these Harlequin cards... Amazing!
You guys will not be disappointed
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My question Alex is will there be a limit to how many you can buy? With such a small amount available to the public I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
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Also, how will these be sold? Will they be sold through your site?
And will you be keeping any in reserve for competitions/giveaways?
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I already missed the vortex... :( I hope I can get my hands on The Harlequins.
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i cant wait for this deck it just looks so cool by just looking at the logo.
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So excited for these!
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I already missed the vortex... :( I hope I can get my hands on The Harlequins.
There's going to be aftermarket traders who bought in larger quantities with the intent of resale. You'll have a chance to get them.
Plus, we're already working on a trade and I have a few decks coming my way...
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Don't worry guys, if you missed out on the Vortex you will be able to snag decks for $10-11 a piece from resellers. The Harlequin, on the other hand, may go very quickly. The Vortex Kickstarter sold 3,000 decks in two weeks. Hopefully you guys will love what I'm doing with this deck, and I can make more like it in the future.
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Count me in Alex, looking forward to the Harlequin release.
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How many Harlequin decks will you be selling?
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We'll surely be impressed, Alex. I'll see if I can get myself a deck or two. :)
I wish you the best of luck with the Harlequins. Take care!
Thanks,
Brandon Beckman
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i'm guessing the method of obtaining these decks isn't finalized yet?
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i'm guessing the method of obtaining these decks isn't finalized yet?
I'm guessing that it is finalized but hasn't been shared with the public yet.... just a guess
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Not yet finalized, guys. MagicAddictz, 2,000 Harlequins are being sold.
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so will there be a limit on how many one can buy? Or is it first come first serve on an unlimited basis?
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i dont think alex would make a limit, we discussed the limited run on aethercards facebook page and he mentioned the amount could go up if more people wanted them, i think he said this deck they were testing some things and are doing a limited amount unless needed. either way im getting some and i have a friend who might just because of the theme.
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i dont think alex would make a limit, we discussed the limited run on aethercards facebook page and he mentioned the amount could go up if more people wanted them, i think he said this deck they were testing some things and are doing a limited amount unless needed. either way im getting some and i have a friend who might just because of the theme.
Well I'm just curious because the Vortex was a hit so I would expect there to be an equally (or larger) demand for this deck. Combine that with extremely small number of decks up for sale you could easily have very few people with a great number of deck. By limited the number of decks one could buy it allows more people to get a deck or two without having to pay the insane prices you can see in the aftermarket on super limited decks.
I can see why one might limit the purchase amount (like David Blaine and his variety box) and I can see why somebody might not limit it. I was hoping Alex might jump in and give us some info on what he's thinking for it. Then again he may not have even decided yet.
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Well if I go with Kickstarter, I won't be limiting how many decks someone can buy, but I will be limiting the rewards (i.e. only 5 people can buy 144 decks).
If we go with a website launch, then there will be no limit imposed.
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also if you make an art piece please make a reward have that an uncutt and a few decks, cause that is why i will be hoping to buy.
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Well if I go with Kickstarter, I won't be limiting how many decks someone can buy, but I will be limiting the rewards (i.e. only 5 people can buy 144 decks).
If we go with a website launch, then there will be no limit imposed.
Lets hope everyone doesnt get mad if they miss out... like Ellusionists red artifice sale.
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speaking of the website... when should we be expecting that to come up?
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if i remember right alex said it was coming in the spring.
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These are being released in the Spring according to this teaser:
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Well spring is right around the corner! I was wondering about the website as well. I'm expecting late Feb. or early March.
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Well spring is right around the corner! I was wondering about the website as well. I'm expecting late Feb. or early March.
Well, the Spring Equinox of 2012 occurs on March 20, and the deck is expected in the spring, so I'd have to say the estimate may be incorrect. And spring doesn't END until the Summer Solstice comes on June 20, 2012. True, the website could be earlier than the deck, but fundraising hasn't even started yet and he has nothing to sell now other than what's in Alex's Card Shop - there's little reason to put up a site yet.
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Well spring is right around the corner! I was wondering about the website as well. I'm expecting late Feb. or early March.
Well, the Spring Equinox of 2012 occurs on March 20, and the deck is expected in the spring, so I'd have to say the estimate may be incorrect. And spring doesn't END until the Summer Solstice comes on June 20, 2012. True, the website could be earlier than the deck, but fundraising hasn't even started yet and he has nothing to sell now other than what's in Alex's Card Shop - there's little reason to put up a site yet.
The website is different than the deck. I would expect the website at the end of this month or early next month. He wrote in a post a while ago that he expected it to be not long after the Discourse V2 went live and that should be coming up soon. Also what fundraising? Sure he might need a little, but he hasn't made a big deal about needing a big fundraiser before the site goes live.
The deck is a different story. I didn't talk about that releasing any other time besides Spring. I also didn't even mention when in Spring.
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Well spring is right around the corner! I was wondering about the website as well. I'm expecting late Feb. or early March.
Well, the Spring Equinox of 2012 occurs on March 20, and the deck is expected in the spring, so I'd have to say the estimate may be incorrect. And spring doesn't END until the Summer Solstice comes on June 20, 2012. True, the website could be earlier than the deck, but fundraising hasn't even started yet and he has nothing to sell now other than what's in Alex's Card Shop - there's little reason to put up a site yet.
The website is different than the deck. I would expect the website at the end of this month or early next month. He wrote in a post a while ago that he expected it to be not long after the Discourse V2 went live and that should be coming up soon. Also what fundraising? Sure he might need a little, but he hasn't made a big deal about needing a big fundraiser before the site goes live.
The deck is a different story. I didn't talk about that releasing any other time besides Spring. I also didn't even mention when in Spring.
I know the difference. Fundraising is either done by Kickstarter, a similar company or on his own site. Alex mentioned possibly going with Kickstarter, so it sounds like he's looking into maybe doing some fundraising.
Until he gets something off the ground with his new deck, the website isn't totally necessary - yet. He had a hugely successful (though not terribly profitable) kickoff with Vortex without anything more than this forum; he sold every single deck he intended to sell. Since websites cost money, I figured deferring the cost until it was genuinely needed would be a good way to help become more profitable this time around. My apologies if I was a little pedantic in trying to get that across.
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The website is in development on a separate timeline from the deck. If the website is done by the time I finish the cards, the launch will be on the site. Otherwise, I'll use KS as the platform again.
The advantage to KS is bringing in new fans to the hobby. I can't even count how many active members on this forum began their collecting with the Vortex Kickstarter. So launching via KS is also a new chance to grow the site.
Of course, the big disadvantage isn't just the 10% fees, but Amazon reporting to the IRS your pre-fee income. In other words, the IRS thinks I made $32k instead of the $27k I actually received.
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Okay that's what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up. I think Kickstarter would be a great route to go, especially in bringing in new fans and Discourse members. It's been awesome seeing the community grow from this forum and everything went along with the first deck and it will be great to see that happen again!
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Aethercards Facebook just hit 3,210 likes can we see the next teaser show the back of the card !!
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I think there should be more the 2,000 sold. Honestly, who couldn't like this back design?
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I think there should be more the 2,000 sold. Honestly, who couldn't like this back design?
Yeah the back design is incredible!! These 2,000 are going to be gone insanely fast. No doubt in my mind. I love both the design and the colors. I cannot wait to see the fronts of the cards *drool*
MagicAddictz your picture didn't show up for me...
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I think there should be more the 2,000 sold. Honestly, who couldn't like this back design?
Yeah the back design is incredible!! These 2,000 are going to be gone insanely fast. No doubt in my mind. I love both the design and the colors. I cannot wait to see the fronts of the cards *drool*
MagicAddictz your picture didn't show up for me...
It shows up fine for me... thats weird
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That looks amazing! Although may I ask why it isn`t branded under bee if it is a remake of the bee deck?
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it's not a remake of the bee it was inspired by the bee deck i am going to buy this deck to.
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Because the face art is by and large a remake of Bicycle art, and I am saving the Bee branding for a deck that is actually 100% Bee (no borders, bleed design, made for card cheats).
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Because the face art is by and large a remake of Bicycle art, and I am saving the Bee branding for a deck that is actually 100% Bee (no borders, bleed design, made for card cheats).
Ok, Sounds awesome. :)
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Because the face art is by and large a remake of Bicycle art, and I am saving the Bee branding for a deck that is actually 100% Bee (no borders, bleed design, made for card cheats).
OK, and can I pre-order 2 bricks while it's still just an idea in your head?!
These cards look amazing; I'm pretty sure if you read back across the 1k posts I've made, a good few have been about how people tend to be uncreative with the border and it's just a straight frame around the deck; I'm SO happy these didn't do that and even happier that there could be a card cheat deck coming in the future, Bee branded. That's like you've actually custom made a concept specifically for me.
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Regarding the card cheat deck, can it be traditionally cut? Like Richard Turners gold seal?
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Because the face art is by and large a remake of Bicycle art, and I am saving the Bee branding for a deck that is actually 100% Bee (no borders, bleed design, made for card cheats).
OK, and can I pre-order 2 bricks while it's still just an idea in your head?!
These cards look amazing; I'm pretty sure if you read back across the 1k posts I've made, a good few have been about how people tend to be uncreative with the border and it's just a straight frame around the deck; I'm SO happy these didn't do that and even happier that there could be a card cheat deck coming in the future, Bee branded. That's like you've actually custom made a concept specifically for me.
Haha if we are making pre-orders on the idea in his head I'll take a brick and a half!! haha :P In all seriousness this is another amazing looking deck.
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If he took pre-orders, there would be no real sale! They'd be gone in a minute!
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Hahaha true that :) We'll just have to wait to the kickstarter...
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If he took pre-orders, there would be no real sale! They'd be gone in a minute!
And how is that a bad thing? It would be a lot of work, but it would also cut out the middlemen at KS, Amazon and the IRS!
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That is true. Alex, you should skip Kickstarter and just to a pre-release instead of kickstarter. The decks are sure to sell out fast and you wouldn't get that 10% taken out.
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Although I feel that could get a little messy. Kickstarter gives some great structure and it also can be huge in helping to get the word out for the company and for the website!! Sure he'll be successful either way but by using Kickstarter he'll be rich in both finances and company.
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The big advantage provided by Kickstarter is the exposure to people who otherwise might not know his decks from a hole in the wall. If he does hit that critical-mass level where he's got enough people in the know, then he can ditch Kickstarter. He might or might not have it going into the Harlequin deck, but if that's a big-enough smash, he'll probably have it by the time he goes to do his "gambler's Bee deck" project.
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He could open up a store section on the aethercards site.
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By using Kickstarter for Vortex, I managed to bring in loads of people who never thought twice about cards into the hobby. My goal is to do that once again. The industry can't sustain itself if it's the same 10,000 people buying the products. We need to grow and expand and KS offers a great gateway to a new demographic.
Yeah the 10% really gets you in the end but I think an influx of new members would be great, don't you?
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By using Kickstarter for Vortex, I managed to bring in loads of people who never thought twice about cards into the hobby. My goal is to do that once again. The industry can't sustain itself if it's the same 10,000 people buying the products. We need to grow and expand and KS offers a great gateway to a new demographic.
Yeah the 10% really gets you in the end but I think an influx of new members would be great, don't you?
Couldn't hurt - except when trying to buy short-run limited-edition decks! :))
But imagine when you reach the level of the Buck Twins or Blue Crown, perhaps even Ellusionist in terms of your decks' popularity. If you hit a goal that lofty, you could generate more sales without resorting to Kickstarter. That's what I'm talking about.
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I don't know if this question has been asked yet, but why such a small print?
If you made another 5,000 deck print, it would still be a home run!
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I don't know if this question has been asked yet, but why such a small print?
If you made another 5,000 deck print, it would still be a home run!
It is because of the experimental finish he is using.
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now I hate him even more! :)
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Oh that De'vo! He's such a silly one!
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I would rather harlequins than blades... Im just saying...
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My experience so far has been like Alex: Kickstarter brings in a HUGE number of people that might not find you in any other way. I will have a large mailing list of interested people now, thanks to Kickstarter. I may use KS on the next deck at a small goal simply to draw in traffic I might not get otherwise. I plan to fund the next one myself if at all possible so that it's just easier to manage but there is something great about KS and how they can expose your project to new folks.
I've had so many "casual" buyers that i needed to add new 1 and 2 deck rewards to accommodate those people that continually are flowing in from around the net. Sure, the latecomers will have to pay a bit more but I'll be able to capture some of those people instead of having them just float away and disappear. Having hundreds and hundreds of new people interested in your stuff is just super valuable.
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He's still mad over the trashing reviews I gave his first decks. I remember when Rob was working with Aether, he send a peace offering to De'vo and he sent back an email cursing us out. It's amusing.
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He's still mad over the trashing reviews I gave his first decks. I remember when Rob was working with Aether, he send a peace offering to De'vo and he sent back an email cursing us out. It's amusing.
Haha good stuff. I would take the Harlequins or Vortex over a blades deck any day! De'vo seems like such a professional guy. Class act ::)
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this kind of stuff makes my decision to not purchase any devo decks a pretty easy one
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Seems to me like De'vo might be a little jealous of these cards :P . Honestly I've heard some great things about the handling on the blades which is the only reason I want to get some, but the way De'vo acts makes me REALLY not want to give him any business. Back on topic though, after seeing the back design for the Harlequin I'm really eager to get some of these! I just hope they don't sell out too fast. I love what you're doing with the border as well Alex.
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Hey guys, an update on quantity. I'm making sure no one goes without a deck on this one.
While the print run is still limited to 2.5k, I am setting up a few unlimited bundles. You can purchase one and two deck bundles with no limit, while all the others are limited. This means that the cards will stay rare, but those of you who only buy a couple decks don't get shafted by resellers and big-time collectors. The bundles are a tad more pricey (cost per deck drops very quickly after two decks) but it should help everyone out in the long run.
I expect to sell over 2,000 as a result of the limited bundles, so we're looking at about 2,200-400 in the hands of the public for this one.
Cost per deck if you buy a brick is only $7. It gets even cheaper after that. Six decks is about $8 per deck. One deck will be $10, and two decks will be $9 each.
MSRP for the deck will be $10 like the Vortex deck.
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Hey guys, an update on quantity. I'm making sure no one goes without a deck on this one.
While the print run is still limited to 2.5k, I am setting up a few unlimited bundles. You can purchase one and two deck bundles with no limit, while all the others are limited. This means that the cards will stay rare, but those of you who only buy a couple decks don't get shafted by resellers and big-time collectors. The bundles are a tad more pricey (cost per deck drops very quickly after two decks) but it should help everyone out in the long run.
I expect to sell over 2,000 as a result of the limited bundles, so we're looking at about 2,200-400 in the hands of the public for this one.
Cost per deck if you buy a brick is only $7. It gets even cheaper after that. Six decks is about $8 per deck. One deck will be $10, and two decks will be $9 each.
MSRP for the deck will be $10 like the Vortex deck.
I will probably buy 3 like I do most decks so $9 each isn`t bad. I think it is better for more people to get them than a few resellers buy all of them and sell them for 3X that.
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Hey guys, an update on quantity. I'm making sure no one goes without a deck on this one.
While the print run is still limited to 2.5k, I am setting up a few unlimited bundles. You can purchase one and two deck bundles with no limit, while all the others are limited. This means that the cards will stay rare, but those of you who only buy a couple decks don't get shafted by resellers and big-time collectors. The bundles are a tad more pricey (cost per deck drops very quickly after two decks) but it should help everyone out in the long run.
I expect to sell over 2,000 as a result of the limited bundles, so we're looking at about 2,200-400 in the hands of the public for this one.
Cost per deck if you buy a brick is only $7. It gets even cheaper after that. Six decks is about $8 per deck. One deck will be $10, and two decks will be $9 each.
MSRP for the deck will be $10 like the Vortex deck.
Sounds good to me! I'll probably be able to get 3 or 6 decks.
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Hey alex, can you give us a little tuck-box teaser?
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Hey alex, can you give us a little tuck-box teaser?
Sure, when we reach 3,333 fans on Facebook. :)
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Aw I was hoping for a court card teaser ;)
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im kinda hoping he saves court card pics for the release of the deck. I'll be rushing not only to buy these, but to see the court cards!!!
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Hey alex, can you give us a little tuck-box teaser?
Yay! We only need about 100 more!
Sure, when we reach 3,333 fans on Facebook. :)
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are you doing an art piece? what about the chest thing again? i really want to get a chest plus decks, uncutt, and art if you will have them.
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The KS is launching with the Aether Eco Clip bundles, uncut sheet bundles, and collector's bundles (these include Vortex goodies & Protodecks/Proto-uncuts).
I'll probably add in bundles for the actual plates used to print the decks for a premium price tag. There is also an option to have your name or any word/reveal you want hidden in the deck and an option to join our development team on the next release and become a part of the staff for one project.
I will also include a signed poster of the artwork signed by Ross (my co-designer) and myself for anyone that spends over a certain amount (yet to be decided).
The project goal is going to be $12,000 this time around, but I expect to get over $20k with a nice stroke of luck.
With the way the KS is set up, there may be two or even three different bundles you'll want to grab which is why I allow for custom bundle set-ups for all orders over a certain amount as well. :)
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The KS is launching with the Aether Eco Clip bundles, uncut sheet bundles, and collector's bundles (these include Vortex goodies & Protodecks/Proto-uncuts).
I'll probably add in bundles for the actual plates used to print the decks for a premium price tag. There is also an option to have your name or any word/reveal you want hidden in the deck and an option to join our development team on the next release and become a part of the staff for one project.
I will also include a signed poster of the artwork signed by Ross (my co-designer) and myself for anyone that spends over a certain amount (yet to be decided).
The project goal is going to be $12,000 this time around, but I expect to get over $20k with a nice stroke of luck.
With the way the KS is set up, there may be two or even three different bundles you'll want to grab which is why I allow for custom bundle set-ups for all orders over a certain amount as well. :)
Drool... ;D Those sound awesome! I better get saving.
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Do we have a date yet?
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:o *drool...*
I will look forward to the launch on KS for this!
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Wow I just read over this and it sounds like you have a solid plan Alex!! I'm really liked the price set up and the reward bundles sound great. Can't wait for this one now! Are you thinking March or April? I remember you said spring but I wasn't sure if you knew what month yet.
Aw I was hoping for a court card teaser ;)
Yeah I would love to see the court cards!!
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Sounds awesome! Printing plates would be an honor to own.
And who is this "Ross" that you speak of? We haven't heard of him yet...
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Silent partner ?
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Silent partner ?
Sounds awesome! Printing plates would be an honor to own.
And who is this "Ross" that you speak of? We haven't heard of him yet...
I'm pretty sure it's his codesigner on this project. I haven't heard much about him either.
I will also include a signed poster of the artwork signed by Ross (my co-designer) and myself for anyone that spends over a certain amount (yet to be decided).
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Ross Takahashi, a friend of mine from high school, and an extremely talented artist. He's doing the hand-drawing for this, and I'm doing the digital work/coloring/shading aspect.
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Alex... This is quite a following you have... You are like the Messiah of Playing Cards... You haven't really released much of anything regarding the deck yet and they are ordering bricks and bricks from you... Great Stuff man!!!
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Ross Takahashi, a friend of mine from high school, and an extremely talented artist. He's doing the hand-drawing for this, and I'm doing the digital work/coloring/shading aspect.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51213568@N02/
Well, an artist from Nevada called Ross Takahashi. Can't be too many of them about; his stuff looks awesome.
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Aye, that's him. :)
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??? He's an amazing artist! I can't wait to see the deck! :-[
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He's got some good stuff on his flickr. Very skilled!! Can't wait to see more of his work!
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man i really hope i have enough for some of this stuff.
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Wow Alex. This seems amazing, and the thing is that, with you, it never is only hype!
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So if you all haven't already seen the news on Facebook, I'm printing 2,500 standard Harlequins and 500 special, limited edition Harlequins with an Experimental Finish.
What the actual finish for the Ex. decks is I can't disclose yet - but I'm getting samples in a few days and I'll let you guys know if it's every bit as awesome as I think it will be.
Aside from the bundles that include them, you will get one FREE Ex. Harlequin added to your order for every $100 you pledge.
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are the bundles going to have more than just one deck or is it just going to be the limited edition and other stuff
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So if you all haven't already seen the news on Facebook, I'm printing 2,500 standard Harlequins and 500 special, limited edition Harlequins with an Experimental Finish.
What the actual finish for the Ex. decks is I can't disclose yet - but I'm getting samples in a few days and I'll let you guys know if it's every bit as awesome as I think it will be.
Aside from the bundles that include them, you will get one FREE Ex. Harlequin added to your order for every $100 you pledge.
Can you tell us yet how much we will have to pledge for one of these decks? Will it be significantly more that the regulars or just a bit? Also will this be a shorter kickstarter because of the lower ammount of money needed?
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That is super exciting news!! I'm curious how much the reward tiers that include this will be. I would expect it to be a good amount higher than a normal deck, but who knows!
Any guestimates on when the Kickstarter will launch?
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I'm dying to know more about the experimental finish.. looking forward to any news in the next few days.. but definitely going to pick up a few just to try it out. :)
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he said on spring so i think it is going to be on march 20th that's when spring officially starts .
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That is super exciting news!! I'm curious how much the reward tiers that include this will be. I would expect it to be a good amount higher than a normal deck, but who knows!
Any guestimates on when the Kickstarter will launch?
Well Robert(Conjuring creations) said that the AetherCards clip would be launched in April, I think I read that it is styled after the Harlequin deck or it will be sold on KS with the harlequin or something, but I am guessing April.
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damn, gotta start saving up so i can get at least a few of these ex. decks.
@alex. if the Ex. decks are a hit will you use the finish on other upcoming decks?
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he said on spring so i think it is going to be on march 20th that's when spring officially starts .
Well I knew it was in the spring. I didn't hear anything about it launching on the first day of spring. That could be the case, I'm not sure. I guess we will have to wait and see
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@Gunshy: I'll have to see reviews on them, but I think it's safe to say I will use it again in the future in some capacity.
The coolest way to get the Ex. Harlequins would be to drop, for example, $300 on one of the Ex. bundles, (which includes a brick of them, limited to two buyers) and then enjoy three extra Ex. decks free of charge. :)
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ha 300 might be a bit out of my price range (who needs schooling anyways), ima try to do my best to get 3 of them.
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Is the Ex. going to be available to the Discoursers first before going onto KS?
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Is the Ex. going to be available to the Discoursers first before going onto KS?
Nope! Although you guys will probably be the first people on KS so snagging any bundle you want should be a piece of cake. There are plenty of people that will be disappointed to see things out of stock - but I'd be hard pressed to say you guys would be one of them.
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It sounds awesome! I can't wait to hear how they handle.
I'm just worried that the bundles with the experimental finish decks will be too expensive for me...
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This seems like great news! I also think that more than 150$ is out of my price range as well. At least it'll make someone else happy :D
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Should be good :) Can't wait for the kickstarter - I love seeing the prices of everything...
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Tiffany at the USPCC has been the harbinger of good news lately. The 500 Ex. decks will be differentiated via a custom seal. I'm also throwing on a gold tear-band for all the decks.
Oh, and I get to name the Experimental finish! I'm thinking... Experimental finish? :P Unfortunately this release won't be labeled with that, but future releases will be. I'm getting samples in this week, I can't wait to test it out.
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And we can't wait to get more information! Tell us more!
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Tiffany at the USPCC has been the harbinger of good news lately. The 500 Ex. decks will be differentiated via a custom seal. I'm also throwing on a gold tear-band for all the decks.
Oh, and I get to name the Experimental finish! I'm thinking... Experimental finish? :P Unfortunately this release won't be labeled with that, but future releases will be. I'm getting samples in this week, I can't wait to test it out.
Sounds good!! That's pretty cool that you get to name it yourself! Experimental finish actually sounds pretty sweet. You're breaking some new ground, that's awesome.
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Not the Yusupov finish? There will be more experimental finishes in the future, after all. It's so good; put your name on it!
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Experimental Finish would look awesome on the box... just sayin'
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Experimental Finish would be a pretty neat name!
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SOunds like it will be pretty awesome. I don`t think ti should say experimental finish thoug, sounds kinda like idk lazy i guess.
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The build-up on this deck is pretty big - don't disappoint us! :)) Seriously, I would say you're giving the Buck twins a run for their hype, but yours tends to be more substantive and less secretive.
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Hmm experimental finish. Alex, how much would a brick of regular, a brick of experimental, and an uncut sheet of each cost?
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time for the next teaser !!! :D
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@Frost - I don't think he has gotten the protodeck yet. So he can't release the teaser...
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@Frost - I don't think he has gotten the protodeck yet. So he can't release the teaser...
The next teaser is the tuck box so there is no need for a protodeck.
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...and what does the protodeck come in?
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...and what does the protodeck come in?
A box?
But where was the box designed? On a computer which means that Alex probably has a picture of it.
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...and what does the protodeck come in?
A box?
But where was the box designed? On a computer which means that Alex probably has a picture of it.
But aren't they printed at the USPCC so doesn't he get the box itself at the same time as he gets the protodeck?
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The coolest way to get the Ex. Harlequins would be to drop, for example, $300 on one of the Ex. bundles, (which includes a brick of them, limited to two buyers) and then enjoy three extra Ex. decks free of charge. :)
thats me right there, please launch kickstarter on a day when im at home and on the computer.
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...and what does the protodeck come in?
A box?
But where was the box designed? On a computer which means that Alex probably has a picture of it.
But aren't they printed at the USPCC so doesn't he get the box itself at the same time as he gets the protodeck?
This teaser is supposed to be of the box so he doesnt need the physical box, to show us what it looks like. All he needs is the design that he submitted to the USPCC.
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...and what does the protodeck come in?
A box?
But where was the box designed? On a computer which means that Alex probably has a picture of it.
But aren't they printed at the USPCC so doesn't he get the box itself at the same time as he gets the protodeck?
This teaser is supposed to be of the box so he doesnt need the physical box, to show us what it looks like. All he needs is the design that he submitted to the USPCC.
Oh. Thx. But is he all done with it?
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What frost meant about it being time for a teaser is that there is supposed to be a teaser at 3333 Aethercards Facebook likes.
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What frost meant about it being time for a teaser is that there is supposed to be a teaser at 3333 Aethercards Facebook likes.
Oh. Haha. Apparently people are requesting it on fb as well!
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What frost meant about it being time for a teaser is that there is supposed to be a teaser at 3333 Aethercards Facebook likes.
Oh. Haha. Apparently people are requesting it on fb as well!
Ya I am not sure why it hasn`t been posted yet, Alex will probably have it up very soon.
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Hey guys, the uncut box prototype isn't being shipped on time which means I have to create the teaser from scratch, which takes quite a bit of time.
It will be up by the end of the weekend. I'll announce the day and time in advance. :)
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Hey guys, the uncut box prototype isn't being shipped on time which means I have to create the teaser from scratch, which takes quite a bit of time.
It will be up by the end of the weekend. I'll announce the day and time in advance. :)
O that sucks...
Whatever thank you for making a new one :)
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Hey guys, the uncut box prototype isn't being shipped on time which means I have to create the teaser from scratch, which takes quite a bit of time.
It will be up by the end of the weekend. I'll announce the day and time in advance. :)
Awesome!! Can't wait to see!!!
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what ever happen to the second teaser for the harlequin deck ??
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Any pictures now?
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Any pictures now?
This is the only pic of the cards that we have seen so far. Once we have new pics, they will definitely be posted here.
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It's been over a month since there's been any activity here. Alex - anything to report to the troops?
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ya, is this deck going to come out soon ?
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ya, is this deck going to come out soon ?
Frost, don't rush things. Alex said that he would start the kickstarter once he would be done shipping ALL of the Vortex Deck pledges. Thats 1-2 months you are looking at. All we are asking is for some information and maybe a teaser.
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The hand crafted artwork is completed.
What is done:
- Pips
- Sketching
- Inking
- Back design
- Tuck case
To do list:
- Scanning
- "Digitalizing"/Vectorizing
- Coloring & Shading
- Layout
- Prototyping
- Kickstarter Video
- Final Kickstarter reward adjustments
Before launching the Kickstarter, I want to finish scanning, vectorizing and some of the coloring and layouts. My mistakes with the Vortex deck was going in blind, with no idea how KS works. This time around, I don't want to rush finishing the artwork.
I promise you guys, a teaser is coming soon!
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Glad to see that it's coming along well. Do you have an estimated date for the kickstarter launch?
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Yeah, I'd like an idea of the date too, if that's okay.
And it's nice to hear that you'll be spending a lot of time on the design of the Harlequin - I definitely don't mind waiting longer if it means that the deck turns out perfectly.
I'm also guessing the process will be a bit more straightforward that you've already used Kickstarter.
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I prefer seeing a fully polished KS project that takes longer to get started than a swift KS project that's rushed and has delays at the other end.
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Great, I'm not in a hurry anyways, with the Seasons coming out, and not having received my deck yet either. I'm sending you some energy and courage Alex ;)
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Aether posted a new teaser on Facebook! Looks very cool but its hard to see how this goes with the back design. I guess only time will tell!
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Aether posted a new teaser on Facebook! Looks very cool but its hard to see how this goes with the back design. I guess only time will tell!
If you want to read what people think of the design there is a thread in Design and Development. :)
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I prefer seeing a fully polished KS project that takes longer to get started than a swift KS project that's rushed and has delays at the other end.
I agree with Don here.
I don't mind waiting a bit more for the Harlequin. its actually a good thing because then we have enough and more time to set aside budget and make our own adjustments right? And I'm sure that Alex is up to his ears with all the things to do... the forums, the collecting, the designing... not to mention May 16th is just around the corner... so he is prepping for that too hahahah!
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... not to mention May 16th is just around the corner... so he is prepping for that too hahahah!
Forgive me, but what's May 16th, besides being a Wednesday?
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Oh Sorry about that... it is the release of Diablo 3 :D and alex mentioned something hillarious on his plans on disappearing for a few week come 16th of May. hahahah!
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For those of you wondering about how it fits with the back design, keep in mind this is concept art. Take a look at Lilleth here. Notice anything about her (lack of) garments? Well, take a look at the standard Bicycle AoS.
The design will be a rework of that in a very cool and creative way.
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For those of you wondering about how it fits with the back design, keep in mind this is concept art. Take a look at Lilleth here. Notice anything about her (lack of) garments? Well, take a look at the standard Bicycle AoS.
The design will be a rework of that in a very cool and creative way.
OOOH sweet mother of Venus! That is just delightful! I <3 it! really! OMg so may things running through my imagination right now. Thanks for that description Alex. :)
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ill be honest; im more excited about the EX finish (or whatever the hell its called) than i am the design of the deck.
... just to be clear i am excited about the design of the deck... just more so about the ex finish.
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Sounds awesome, Alex. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Someone on Facebook said the concept art offended them but they have yet to elaborate as to why. Do you guys have any insight? I can't pick between the partial nudity or the dark theme.
If it comforts anyone, the size of the AoS detracts from the "explicit" imagery. If you look at some David Blaine decks, there is nudity there as well. I feel like if it's tastefully done, it can be good. Hrm...
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Someone on Facebook said the concept art offended them but they have yet to elaborate as to why. Do you guys have any insight? I can't pick between the partial nudity or the dark theme.
If it comforts anyone, the size of the AoS detracts from the "explicit" imagery. If you look at some David Blaine decks, there is nudity there as well. I feel like if it's tastefully done, it can be good. Hrm...
I have a hunch. Looking at his profile, he lives in Oklahoma and his school is listed as the "Christian Heritage Education Center". It could simply be that he's some kind of Bible-thumper and anything too revealing would be offensive to him. I don't see so much dark imagery as of yet, but that, too, might have sent his morality detector into the negatives.
I would simply chalk it up to "You can't please everybody."
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I was going to say the same thing. I came from a very religious background. went to a Born again Christian church, studied in a very conservative babtist school (I have a love/hate relationship with) and I matured in a Pentecostal chuch (which taught me to be more open minded). I've seen and met a lot of different kinds of Christians with different ideals. And this one person who is offended by th art is probably conservative baptist. ^-^
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Someone on Facebook said the concept art offended them but they have yet to elaborate as to why. Do you guys have any insight? I can't pick between the partial nudity or the dark theme.
If it comforts anyone, the size of the AoS detracts from the "explicit" imagery. If you look at some David Blaine decks, there is nudity there as well. I feel like if it's tastefully done, it can be good. Hrm...
I have a hunch. Looking at his profile, he lives in Oklahoma and his school is listed as the "Christian Heritage Education Center". It could simply be that he's some kind of Bible-thumper and anything too revealing would be offensive to him. I don't see so much dark imagery as of yet, but that, too, might have sent his morality detector into the negatives.
I would simply chalk it up to "You can't please everybody."
I think that he may think that by being depicted naked, it may seem to him that the woman seems more like an object than a real person. He may be a feminist and that may be the reason.
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I really see nothing "offensive" to the lady- drawing there. Venus is more "reavealing" I think. I mean Alex's concept art does not even have... uhm.... the things that should be in the middle of each breast.
there is nothing pornographic to it. Nothing obscene. Its pure art and beauty like those Greek paintings and sculptures.
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Drawings of naked women are offensive to feminists? What?
Nudity in general offends these bible-belt psychotics. I wouldn't give it a second thought.
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@kanped - Hey hey hey easy on the insult. I happen to be one but I'm not uptight like uhm... "them"
Anyway, @Alex, don't mind him, just one person. I'm sure there will be some more of them, but its funny because if this person who got offended with the concept art drawing because he has IDEALS, STANDARDS and PRINCIPLES and hard core BIBLE-person... then he shouldn't be delving in the "worldly and 'satanic' art of magic" **wooooooo** you know what I mean right. And im pretty sure he has indulged at least once in sinful internet browsing. So yeah. I have been with these lot before and they're all pretty much double standard except for a very select few.
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I didn't mean to insult anyone but people who identify themselves as bible-belt psychotics. If you're a reasonable Christian, that doesn't include you, I'd assume. I'm basically targeting anyone who gets 'offended' by a semi-rendered naked woman due to their religious beliefs; that's psychotic, and this guy happens to be from the bible-belt. If you want to know what I actually think about religion, it's pretty well documented in the religious discussion thread but this isn't the place to get into that; this is about the deck and by extension, people's reactions to it. I think that reaction is weird.
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Alex, give him a link on Big Blind Media decks and I am sure he’ll forget about you.
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Hey, it's not like messed up imagery of christian origin doesn't exist. ::)
As for nudity... Unlike Alex's drawing, Eve actually has nipples on most paintings where this region is visible.
Oooh I should stop, I'm being offensive. ;D
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@moon is right. hahaha. Anyway, with what @Collector just said, yeap BBM will be his cryptonite. Oh the Satanic images will make him go Avada Kedavra... or something. LoL!
I can't wait to see this beautiful work of art be incorporated in the deck (AoS right?) but yeah really looking forward to it!
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It's not my drawing. I conceptualized the art, and Ross drew it. Credit for the awesome work goes to him! His work actually has a very graphic depiction of her nipples. Very realistic. This was before I had to make sure it was tamed and didn't show some nether regions as well. If this was anything else, I'd be all for it. I love the idea of an "in your face" female Devil. The whole point is to tempt you in every imaginable way. That includes lust. However, I edited the nipples out for the simple reason that I want to keep this deck PG-13 at most and I didn't want to encounter any legal problems with USPCC since it is a branded deck.
When we talked about the idea behind this deck, I mentioned how this is a "remake" of classic Bicycle art in some ways. We went with a female version of the Devil (hence the name Lilleth) and her artwork was inspired in part by the standard Bicycle Ace of Spades as well as the Devil from the movie Bedazzled.
As for the the Harlequins, they were actually inspired by a single character from Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. Hint: He's a fairy.
Then we took that and made it grittier and more evil. The Harlequin art is inspired by the Dark Wanderer from the Diablo lore.
The court cards are one of my favorite aspects. They are custom drawn, but by and large are identical to standard Bicycle court cards. With one awesome twist: They all look slightly off and a tad bit insane. I guess that's what happens when you have your life altered by a Harlequin.
Touching back on the back design vs. face art aspect, the two are obviously tied thematically (same color scheme, and the diamond back pattern is influenced by the costumes actors would wear when depicting a Harlequin in plays). However, the back patter also makes appearances on the faces in very subtle ways.
To put it bluntly, it works, but you are asked to invest into the story of the deck in the same way that you had with the Vortex.
@Collector: Haha, too true! If I could sell my work with half the success of a BBM deck, I would be ecstatic.
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The whole point is to tempt you in every imaginable way. That includes lust.
Can't wait! :P ;) (Raises one eyebrow in a very creepy way).
Nice job creating this amazing artwork! Are you planning on releasing other teasers through Facebook, AetherCards, or through a chat?
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The whole point is to tempt you in every imaginable way. That includes lust.
Can't wait! :P ;) (Raises one eyebrow in a very creepy way).
Nice job creating this amazing artwork! Are you planning on releasing other teasers through Facebook, AetherCards, or through a chat?
Next teaser will be shown to Zach Muddiman about a day before it goes up on a site that will remain anonymous for now. The site will host two teasers before they hit our Facebook.
The next teasers are: Jokers & court cards.
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The whole point is to tempt you in every imaginable way. That includes lust.
Can't wait! :P ;) (Raises one eyebrow in a very creepy way).
Nice job creating this amazing artwork! Are you planning on releasing other teasers through Facebook, AetherCards, or through a chat?
Next teaser will be shown to Zach Muddiman about a day before it goes up on a site that will remain anonymous for now. The site will host two teasers before they hit our Facebook.
The next teasers are: Jokers & court cards.
Thank you Alex!!
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The whole point is to tempt you in every imaginable way. That includes lust.
Can't wait! :P ;) (Raises one eyebrow in a very creepy way).
Nice job creating this amazing artwork! Are you planning on releasing other teasers through Facebook, AetherCards, or through a chat?
Next teaser will be shown to Zach Muddiman about a day before it goes up on a site that will remain anonymous for now. The site will host two teasers before they hit our Facebook.
The next teasers are: Jokers & court cards.
That's awesome! What I like about you is that you purposely think outside of the box, creating artwork that you know won't be easily accepted by many, and daring to open yourself to criticism. I have a little idea as to what the court cards will be like, and I'm very excited to see what you have in store for us. Are you planning on selling through here?
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when you will give us the new teasers???
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when you will give us the new teasers???
Within the next 2 weeks. No precise date or time yet, just make sure to check these forums and AetherCards' facebook page regularly.
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hey Alex are you ever going to release the Harlequin deck or are you really done making playing cards ?
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hey Alex are you ever going to release the Harlequin deck or are you really done making playing cards ?
What? Didn't you read the posts above you.
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hey Alex are you ever going to release the Harlequin deck or are you really done making playing cards ?
What? Didn't you read the posts above you.
Laur, that post was almost a half a year old. Frost poses a good question... will we ever see this deck?
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Nope. :P
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Nope. :P
You serious? Did you just give up? Lack of funds? No more creativity?
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Can you please elaborate on why you decided not to go ahead with this deck? I was looking forward in getting this when I first heard it
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Well the design is mostly done, I just don't have the willpower to put up with a KS campaign. Both the Harlequin and the second Vortex deck are around halfway done.
I haven't touched them in months, though.
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Well the design is mostly done, I just don't have the willpower to put up with a KS campaign. Both the Harlequin and the second Vortex deck are around halfway done.
I haven't touched them in months, though.
That's a shame. I'm sure they're awesome designs.
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Why go with KS again? Why not go through HOPC instead? Would be much easier for you.
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Why go with KS again? Why not go through HOPC instead? Would be much easier for you.
HOPC declined the design during a time when there wasn't much to show. However, because they showed little to no interest, I don't see a point in trying again.
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come on Alex make the Harlequin deck i need some more cool decks in my collection not just some chump ass cards from house of playing cards or from theory 11 ? :mindf-ck:
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"Chump Ass Cards" - I don't think Artisans, Rebels, or Sentinels count as "chump ass cards".
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whats so special about the decks you just named nothing as far as i know all of them look the same. so they are "chump ass decks" !!!
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I will print 10,000 decks just for you, Frost
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I will print 10,000 decks just for you, Frost
I want some.
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real talk Alex you have to make that deck i am begging you to make them.you even said the deck was almost finished why not just put it up on kickstarter . GIVE YOURSELF A SECOND CHANCE !!! >:(
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In all seriousness. The thing people did not like was how shipping went. People loved the decks them selves. I feel if you went through HOPC you could continue the vortex series and also the Harlequin and it could go well.
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In all seriousness. The thing people did not like was how shipping went. People loved the decks them selves. I feel if you went through HOPC you could continue the vortex series and also the Harlequin and it could go well.
Hey, check this quote out, please...
Why go with KS again? Why not go through HOPC instead? Would be much easier for you.
HOPC declined the design during a time when there wasn't much to show. However, because they showed little to no interest, I don't see a point in trying again.
This, to me, would be a good reason why he's not going to ask HOPC - again...
News flash: HOPC does not print more than a tiny fraction of all the designs that get submitted to them. To get printed, it has to be knock-it-out-of-the-park good to them.
I'd love to see the next decks Alex had in mind get made, don't get me wrong. It's just that HOPC showed no interest and KS really killed him - though I should state that of all the deck projects that went through KS, few had the long series of problems that yours did, Alex. In other words, you've seen the worst it can get - it can't get much worse than that and you survived that (with difficulty, perhaps, but you survived). There's practically no way it can get worse - so it can really only get better!
You guys have been leaving out an option - getting another card company to partner up with. HOPC is hardly the only game in town, y'know...
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ok which one did he pitch to them? vortex 2? or Harlequin? He could pitch the other one if he only pitched one.
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Hey, check this quote out, please...
Why go with KS again? Why not go through HOPC instead? Would be much easier for you.
HOPC declined the design during a time when there wasn't much to show. However, because they showed little to no interest, I don't see a point in trying again.
This, to me, would be a good reason why he's not going to ask HOPC - again...
News flash: HOPC does not print more than a tiny fraction of all the designs that get submitted to them. To get printed, it has to be knock-it-out-of-the-park good to them.
I dont know why they would turn it down. I liked the Harlequin design more than the Mechanic Deck, the Verves, and Heraldry's. But I guess that is their decision.
He could always just do a pre-order through a personal site and see how it goes.
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ok which one did he pitch to them? vortex 2? or Harlequin? He could pitch the other one if he only pitched one.
You'd have to ask Alex that one. It's possible that HOPC is aware of both of them.
Hey, check this quote out, please...
Why go with KS again? Why not go through HOPC instead? Would be much easier for you.
HOPC declined the design during a time when there wasn't much to show. However, because they showed little to no interest, I don't see a point in trying again.
This, to me, would be a good reason why he's not going to ask HOPC - again...
News flash: HOPC does not print more than a tiny fraction of all the designs that get submitted to them. To get printed, it has to be knock-it-out-of-the-park good to them.
I dont know why they would turn it down. I liked the Harlequin design more than the Mechanic Deck, the Verves, and Heraldry's. But I guess that is their decision.
He could always just do a pre-order through a personal site and see how it goes.
If you like the design as much as you state, and you feel others would feel the same, consider starting an online petition to HOPC to print them. If a business sees a demand and ignores it, they don't tend to stay in business.
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I think if I ever made another deck, or product of any kind, I owe it to those customers to get a fulfillment company.
I don't think an online petition to get HOPC to print the cards is necessary. I mean, how many signatures would it take? We're talking hundreds if not thousands for the petition to really show that "yeah, these cards will sell!" Those kinds of numbers barely show up in petitions for amazing causes, much less a deck of playing cards. :P
If I ever win the lottery or begin to poop money, I promise I'll return to the designs and get Vortex v2 and the Harlequin decks printed.
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whats so special about the decks you just named nothing as far as i know all of them look the same. so they are "chump ass decks" !!!
Implying the Sentinels are chump ass decks.... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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come on Alex make the Harlequin deck i need some more cool decks in my collection not just some chump ass cards from house of playing cards or from theory 11 ? :mindf-ck:
I don't think the words 'chump ass' and theory11 mix very well.
What you are basically saying that some of the best quality decks of our age are crap. I like how the Monarchs and other t11 decks absolutely trumped Infintity and most, if not all, of Ellusionist's playing cards.
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I don't like most of T11 decks. They are decent designs but nothing has ever popped out at me. Ellusionist has some good decks that I like though. How you think T11 decks topped infinity I can not see. Infinity is amazing. I love it so much I don't take it out when I go to work or anything in case it gets damaged.
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come on Alex make the Harlequin deck i need some more cool decks in my collection not just some chump ass cards from house of playing cards or from theory 11 ? :mindf-ck:
I don't think the words 'chump ass' and theory11 mix very well.
What you are basically saying that some of the best quality decks of our age are crap. I like how the Monarchs and other t11 decks absolutely trumped Infintity and most, if not all, of Ellusionist's playing cards.
you are talking out of your ass dude .
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come on Alex make the Harlequin deck i need some more cool decks in my collection not just some chump ass cards from house of playing cards or from theory 11 ? :mindf-ck:
I don't think the words 'chump ass' and theory11 mix very well.
What you are basically saying that some of the best quality decks of our age are crap. I like how the Monarchs and other t11 decks absolutely trumped Infintity and most, if not all, of Ellusionist's playing cards.
you are talking out of your ass dude .
Says the guy who spluttered verbal diarrhoea by calling something 'Chump Ass'. Sorry to all the Ellusionist fans, I don't have ANYTHING against you. In terms of handling and in certain cases of design, t11's cards do surpass the quality of Ellusionist. AND I'm not saying that I don't like all of Ellusionist's decks, the white Ghost is amongst my favourite decks. But in saying that, I don't think it's right to say that theory11 is what you call it. Any reason behind saying that I talk out of my ass, Frost?
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I think Frost, Allen, & John B. should pony up some $ and get the deck funded since they won't let a dead horse lay... With regard to Ellusionist & T11... They both have their good and bad, like most companies... Not everything is a home run... Personally, although E seemed to have started the custom deck crusade, I enjoy T11 decks more... However this is coming more from a design point of view and not so much a handling point of view... That's what makes humanity so great... The power to choose for yourself and form your own opinions... That said, happy collecting everyone... Hope you all get the decks that you want this holiday season...
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come on Alex make the Harlequin deck i need some more cool decks in my collection not just some chump ass cards from house of playing cards or from theory 11 ? :mindf-ck:
I don't think the words 'chump ass' and theory11 mix very well.
What you are basically saying that some of the best quality decks of our age are crap. I like how the Monarchs and other t11 decks absolutely trumped Infintity and most, if not all, of Ellusionist's playing cards.
you are talking out of your ass dude .
Says the guy who spluttered verbal diarrhoea by calling something 'Chump Ass'. Sorry to all the Ellusionist fans, I don't have ANYTHING against you. In terms of handling and in certain cases of design, t11's cards do surpass the quality of Ellusionist. AND I'm not saying that I don't like all of Ellusionist's decks, the white Ghost is amongst my favourite decks. But in saying that, I don't think it's right to say that theory11 is what you call it. Any reason behind saying that I talk out of my ass, Frost?
I dont know why frost is saying what he is, but I just want to say, theory11 has never done anything for me with their decks. I have more E decks then T11.
as for letting a dead horse die, the thread is still open. I feel that gives me the right to post what I want.I am interested in any deck from an artist who has showed skill coming on to the market.
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Says the guy who spluttered verbal diarrhoea by calling something 'Chump Ass'. Sorry to all the Ellusionist fans, I don't have ANYTHING against you. In terms of handling and in certain cases of design, t11's cards do surpass the quality of Ellusionist. AND I'm not saying that I don't like all of Ellusionist's decks, the white Ghost is amongst my favourite decks. But in saying that, I don't think it's right to say that theory11 is what you call it. Any reason behind saying that I talk out of my ass, Frost?
There isn't much of a difference between T11 and E decks to being with... they have the exact same stock as E decks, assuming T11 doesn't have a "special" stock that is extremely similar to bicycle stock. The main differences would be the design choices and the fact that T11 uses standard finish while E uses magic finish or performance coating, whatever you wanna call it.
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did Alex run out of money to ship the last orders or what because if that's the case why don't we raise money so he can ship out the remaining orders ?
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you are talking out of your ass dude .
...and you would know, because you have your head up your ass? :))
Kidding aside, when you try looking like a badass and don't back up your statements with anything even remotely intelligent, you only end up looking like a dumbass. Take it to the LOLAQ.
Now, would EVERYONE here please rein this in a bit? The topic's about the Harlequin deck. I don't think the name's even been mentioned outside of a quote in the last ten posts... If you wanna debate T11 decks vs. E decks or anything else that isn't the Harlequin deck, make a new topic somewhere.
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we all no that you Don have it so far up your ass you think you run this whole forum .
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we all no that you Don have it so far up your ass you think you run this whole forum .
As a matter of fact, I DO run this board. And the STISO. This board happens to be the most heavily-trafficked on the forum, so it just looks like the entire forum to people who don't open their eyes and put their brains in a gear other than neutral.
Just stop. Seriously. You're starting a battle of wits, woefully unarmed.
If you have nothing more to say about the Harlequin deck, go play somewhere else.
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your the one who started it. first your over hear telling me that i have my head up my ass and then you can't handle the truth. now what are you going to threaten me of banning me from the discourse.
As for the Harlequin deck i hope it gets made soon for collector's sake . ;D
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I'm not trying to get people talking about MY deck, but this thread is not about E/T11. There are threads for discussing those brands. Keep this thread about the topic at hand for the sake of future readers. I don't mind seeing the topic die either, at least until there is breaking news on the deck which I do not see happening any time soon.
As for E vs. T11, I personally prefer E's decks in every aspect except the tuck cases. It all comes down to personal preference. Each company puts out (mostly) quality products. Remember, no one is forcing anyone to collect what they do not want. :)
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I'm not trying to get people talking about MY deck, but this thread is not about E/T11. There are threads for discussing those brands. Keep this thread about the topic at hand for the sake of future readers. I don't mind seeing the topic die either, at least until there is breaking news on the deck which I do not see happening any time soon.
As for E vs. T11, I personally prefer E's decks in every aspect except the tuck cases. It all comes down to personal preference. Each company puts out (mostly) quality products. Remember, no one is forcing anyone to collect what they do not want. :)
Lets pull this back on track from Frost's verbal crap and the E vs t11.
Alex, even if you aren't going to continue the designs, I wish you the best of luck either way. I say give it another shot and don't give up, but whatever, it is up to you!
Kind regards bro.
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The Harlequin was a very interesting design overall but not what should be made next if any. I had the chance to lay eyes on the Second Vortex deck and I think that would be the way to go for sure. Bad thing is, I think Alex lost the art because he had computer issues.
Will Aether ever return? I have hope for many reasions.