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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Congress Wrapper Transition Question
« on: January 16, 2020, 11:32:14 PM »
;) :D :bosswalk:
Some fantastic decks in this post!

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Congress Wrapper Transition Question
« on: January 15, 2020, 08:56:47 PM »
I passed this link along to the official congress guy.  Not sure if he is a member of the website yet or not. 

Edit:  Resulted in no info.  False hope given.

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Deck Reviews! / Re: Deck Review: Star Wars Playing Cards by Theory 11
« on: January 06, 2020, 03:18:53 PM »
Those are actually pretty dope.  Thanks for sharing.

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Deck Reviews! / Re: What is the rarest deck of cards in 2020?
« on: January 05, 2020, 07:41:17 PM »
2020 just started? 
 ::)

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: January 05, 2020, 07:25:38 PM »
Not many other names that pop up in Chicago at that time.  I'd like to hear more about it if you ever find something more or share the article when it's completed.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: January 05, 2020, 02:53:08 PM »
The Standard Playing Card Company
I'm doing research for an article and it includes needing to know who organized The Standard Playing Card Company of Chicago. This would be  between when they started (ca 1890) and until they were taken over by USPC (1893/94). The Hochman, and other main references, make no mention of who the organizers were. They do not appear in the Chicago City Directory during that time or in the main trade magazine "The American Stationer". Seems strange that this company that was producing cards is so hard to find.
I'm also looking for a gentleman, apparently well known to the trade at that time, named Charles M Stevens that may be connected.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Good question there.  This is just speculation, but in my opinion it was probably another Longley company.  The Bay State Playing Card Company was identified to be the same company the Buckeye Playing Card Company.  And it is also noted that the Bay State Card Co. was connected with Card Fabrique, Globe, North American, and many others.  They used the same spade aces and courts.  We can be sure that Bay State merged with Standard Playing Card Co. of Chicago the very same year SPCC started in 1890.

Longleys were masters of tax evasion if you ask me. 

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bicyclecards.org

This was extremely useful.  Thank you.  The expert and old fan backs are similar and that's where some of the confusion was.

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Hello out there!
It seems that I am getting a lot of confusion about Bicycle 808 backs.   I have many 808 decks that I am trying to more accurately describe the backs, but I'm getting different information.  Does anyone have a trust worthy link to bicycle back types?   I need to classify the card backs with reliable info.  The only one I am confident about is the rider back. 

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Many new auctions every week on eBay.  Willing to bargain with prices outside of eBay to avoid fees, just message me.
Seller:  americanplayingcardss
Link:  https://www.ebay.com/sch/americanplayingcardss/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

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very nice.   interesting box, backs, joker.....all around nice deck.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: August 15, 2019, 05:02:35 PM »
I have a few of that ace, and it took me a long time to track down. I got some in a set of other decks which dated to 1920s and 1930s.  Here is the link to the page from WWPCM. http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks08/d06454/d06454.htm
Hope it helps.

Very helpful, thank you for that.  Looks like a USPCC - 1931 Clipper No. 934 (narrow).  Even the back is listed on there. 

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: August 13, 2019, 05:20:44 PM »
I found this deck and picked it up super cheap because I thought I knew what it was but I don't.  I can't seem to figure out what this deck is and I'm not sure why, so I'm asking for help.

There's not a lot I know about it - but I can tell you this.

It was a USPC-made deck.  There's a production code on the Ace of Spades.

That particular code's letter, P, was in use for the years 1911, 1931, 1951, 1971 and 1991.  It was skipped in 2011, when N was used instead.

Judging from the artwork and size of the indices, my guess would be that this can't be older than 1951.  The fact that the code appears to have been separately stamped into the surface of the card would make me tend to believe that it's not newer than 1951, either.  Newer decks had the code printed in much the same manner as the rest of the card's design elements, as if from the same printing plates, while older decks had them stamped in, as if on another machine used just for that purpose.  I can't tell you the exact year that changed, but I do remember as a kid that they weren't common and I was born in 1967.

These are just educated guesses.  Other experts might have more authoritative information on this deck for you.  On the plus side, if you own a Hochman's Encyclopedia, there's a chance you might find it there.  I tried Jim Knapp's page on non-Bicycle USPC decks but it didn't turn up any hits.  It does remind me a little of some of the Russell decks in that many of them used more generic-looking Aces of Spades, making the deck identifiable only through their boxes and their jokers.


I have had no luck finding the Ace in Hochmans.  I have found the Joker in Hochmans pictured under P6 (NYCC).  If you're sure it can't be older than 1951, then that would explain why it's not in Hochmans.  My inclination was that it was a 1931, but I'm no expert.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: August 12, 2019, 06:19:21 PM »
I found this deck and picked it up super cheap because I thought I knew what it was but I don't.  I can't seem to figure out what this deck is and I'm not sure why, so I'm asking for help. 

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: New Discovery - Broadway Card Co.
« on: August 02, 2019, 12:42:31 PM »
I have seen a few of these decks floating around, however I do not know much about them either.  All the ones I have seen are 9 spot low decks.  Also, the observant card handler will notice the backs are not mirrored reflections but different...easily spotted in the border art and very similar (if not identical) to SPCC as tobyedwards has pointed out. 

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I love the lacquer backs from the late 1800s to the early 1900s.

I love the lacquer backs as well. 

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Common Playing Card Nicknames
« on: July 28, 2019, 01:13:33 PM »
:D      >:(      :o      :-[              :bosswalk:      :karrit:     
Suicides and one-eyes have always been in my vocabulary. 

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I'm glad the site is here to stay and there are worthy administrators that are active.   It does seem odd though looking through different topics and forums where I will see almost all of them have 10,000+ views and 0-1 replies.   These numbers must be generated by 'bots'.   Hard to believe that no one has anything to say with all those views.   From a data standpoint, the numbers here must be nowhere near accurate.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Western Aviator deck
« on: July 11, 2019, 10:37:31 PM »
Here is an interesting find.  I'd always seen the SPCC Aviator decks, but I'd never seen one from Western.  Based on the tax stamp (10 cents, 1924-1929), I'd guess this deck came out about the same time as the SPCC deck, so maybe SPCC put the kibosh on this deck.  Anyone know any details about these Aviators?  Which were first?

First time I've seen the Western.  Very plain, but satisfying Ace.  I don't mind the backs either. 

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Interesting Facts About Playing Cards
« on: July 06, 2019, 08:54:18 PM »
Interesting Facts About Playing Cards

Interesting read.  Thank you

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Those 180s are interesting.  I have an old set of pepper playing cards that are similar, but not the same.  Check them out.  c1926

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The Conjuring Arts Research Center has a project underway to catalog backs from the early USA makers. Also Jackson Robinson is working on a major project called the Card Guild which is attempting to build a database of old USPC decks including the backs for each brand.

These are huge undertakings and Judy and I have agreed to add whatever knowledge and information we have to these projects. It would be a great idea Cryptocard if you could contact Bill Kalush at CARC and Jackson and offer to add your knowledge and information to their efforts.

Has there been any progress?  Has there been a 'backs' page added to this site?  As a collector, I have many decks that need more info about their backs and I'm always struggling to find information on back designs. 

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That was an enjoyable read.  Thank you!   :D

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Here's some current stats, as of the halfway mark of 2019. 

Unfortunately the downward trend seems to be continuing.  Over the past 6 months, we're slightly at only one third of the 2018 figures for the year, when we should be at least half to maintain the same level of activity.

The frequency of posts so far this year is only about 5% of the level that it was at five years ago.



As a new member, those numbers are interesting to see.  I must admit, I do a lot of lurking as Mr. Boyer puts it.  I only log in about half the time on this site.   

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