I think it should be legit. If you look at the copy on the tuck, it's imported and distributed by USPCC, but they have to list where the decks is printed, in this case, China. Probably due to how cheap the decks are (in terms of cost and profit they can make on it), they decided to outsource printing to China and not a good printer, hence the quality of it. Even though USPCC has its own printer, it's probably not worth the cost and time to print Streamline with their own presses compared to what they sell the deck for.

As for the work, I imagine at one time every other company producing artwork has their own sets of variation on the standard court sets, hence why they're close enough, but yet different from what we see USPCC use these days. I'm not sure if Streamline was from USPCC all along, or more than likely, one of the many companies that was brought up by them over the years, which would mean that they inherited all the artwork and such. The off-alignment is due to how the old printing presses were run. If they're not careful and plates aren't lined up correctly (as each colour would have its own plate) things would look off. Whenever the artwork was digitized for modern printing, I'm guessing no one bother to "correct" it and just directly transferred the artwork and all its imperfection including colours being off alignment and such.

I bought a Streamline deck today (don't know why, just a whim, I guess) . . . I'm fairly certain that this deck might be fake. It says USPC on the box and the Ace of Spades, but they contradict themselves: the Ace of Spades says Cincinatti, OH, but the box says Erlanger, KY; not only that, but the box also says "Made in China." The deck itself is plastic (according to the box, "Plastic coated with smooth finish") very much like Cartamundi's plastic cards (with that same, awful smell), and the card designs are terrible: the pips and royalty look nothing like USPC standards. The spades look okay, and I don't mind the hearts, but the clubs are really small and squished, and the diamonds are really large and fat; the face cards look as though they were designed by an art school dropout - even worse than Cartamundi's royalty. Yeesh.

I believe I may know which Streamline deck you're talking about. There should be an older post on the Discourse, I believe, talking about it. For a time I believe that USPCC printed the Streamline and then outsourced it to China. The ones for China are pretty bad and I believe they're pretty much sold at discount stores. I got a pair of red and blue here in Toronto and they feel kind of like bad dollar store quality playing cards.

My sincere condolences to you and your's, Judy. It's just such sad news and I'm really sorry to hear it.

Those are gorgeous, any online retailers selling them?

Slight correction to Jackson's comment. http://www.collectableplayingcards.com/ had ordered some of the Standard Edition when they arrive their stock of it, I believe.

Print fun for those interested:
Green - 1175
LE - 750

Usually, I don't say anything about coins vs whatever add-ons. What people like is what people like but this time... I do need to speak up.

There are UNCUT SHEETS available for $15 here!
There's still LE decks available as well!
Where do you find the access point for these goodies? Right here!

Even with shipping uncuts are $25, that's not bad at all. I wonder, since you can fit decks in a tube and KWF knows how to do that, if there would be some way to combine shipping and save a little cash.

Thanks for the plug.

As for the uncuts, it's totally possible to combine uncuts with decks, but honestly, sometimes the result isn't as great as we like. For this one, we've decided to do it separately to prevent any potential issues. It's one of those better safe than sorry. I know the extra postage sucks, but I hope you guys can understand.

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Quote from: EvanEssence on January 17, 2015, 06:24:29 PM

Let's just say they're there.  Anyone else feel like it was a little anti-climactic?  I would not have minded a higher goal with more extras.  Hell, even the deck itself lends PLENTY of room to expand its detail.  What do you guys think?

I'm going to bite, expand how? I will admit that we wanted to keep the the whole project simple. We're funded now, but I think when you first launch a project there's no guarantee how good a deck is or how great the price is, it'll be fund. We had ideas for some items that never made it just due to price or logistic.

If you've got any issues with pledges or what not, shoot me an email at brendan@kingswildproject.com and let me know the issue and what your email address (and amount in case you accidentally pledged more than twice but didn't mean to) is if you want it refund

If keeping the project simple was one of the plans then I'll take back what I said.  Negativity is not what I meant to communicate.

You were totally not negative. I was just curious what you would have wanted to see.

Add-ons and extra are always a balance. Sometimes, they can be really cool like the Chris Ovdiyenko's limited edition deluxe deck for the Oracle. That worked so well and was extremely brilliant of him. And then sometimes, we've got all this extra stuff that feels, to me, like junk that doesn't help the campaign. I think it just ends up costing more for the creator and creating this complexity that's not needed.

I want to stress these are renderings, but we're going to try as hard as possible to ensure the real product looks as amazing. The Green tuck is the standard edition while the Black and Gold is the limited edition.

Hey everyone!

For those interested, the deck will go live on Kings Wild Funded @ noon central this Saturday (17th of January). I'll post a link then.

Stay tune to the Kings Wild Facebook page as we'll be posting more images of the deck leading up the crowdfunding release date.

Sorry, I haven't had much presence as I've been busy finish up this deck. It's about 98% done as of today. Just minor details left.

As Marcus, kindly said, it's another deck. Different from the first two decks, but it's within the same series. I decided to continue with the Hive name as a way for me to work on re-imagining playing cards without needing a more narrower theme. Like before, I've been inspired by a lot of classic designs and European playing cards.

I think it's hard to just blame one person for anything that happens in the playing card world.

Cost of everything goes up and if that happens, unfortunately, a business has to pass that onto the consumers as they can't afford to bare it all without going out of business. A business is out to produce an amazing product, but ultimate they have to make a profit doing it. As far as I know, Jackson has always priced his work accordingly for what he does. I think the thing is that most of his decks have everything (nice paper stock, emboss, foil, inside printing) and all that is expensive.

As for the 15$ deck, I believe Dan and Dave has the Bruce Lee deck last year for 15$ not to mention the Stranger and Stranger deck for 25$ for awhile now and 12$ Arrco Tahoe. Then there was the 18$ Mana (v1) on CARC's site when they were released. Then Ellusionist has their 15$ for the limited edition Madison Hustlers. Art of Play had 12$ for the Exquisite Bold. As for limited run decks, there have been the Zenith, Red (tuck) Whispering Imps, Black Empire Bloodlines, Ornate Obsidians, 52+J deck are all pretty pricey, but extremely beautiful decks. I believe all of Albino Dragon's recent licensed decks have been 15$ on Kickstarter including domestic shipping. I'm in no way faulting any company for what they do, but I wanted to list and point out others have also created decks that have been costly, too.

It sucks that it cost more, but equally, it's understandable and I think it's hard to just lay the blame on one person no matter how many decks they've produced and designed.

I'm in for a standard/gilded pair. I can't say I like the pricing( definitely a bit high) but I can say he isn't making anything off shipping this go around. Nice decks and he hit the nail on the head with limiting the availability of these and funding quickly. I don't think he's added all available decks to the campaign yet though.

No company ever makes any money off of shipping except USPS, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. I believe everyone tends to forget it's "shipping and handling" so that will cover postal, packing material and someone to package it all up.

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Quote from: CherryNukaCola on November 14, 2014, 03:20:29 AM

Is The Hive considered to be crowdfunded? If not, I nominate it.

I second The Hive.

Sorry, friends - this deck was crowdfunded by Kings Wild Funding and is not eligible for this award.  We have a separate award for crowdfunded decks - it's eligible for that.

Nope, it wasn't. The only deck (so far) that's been KWFunded is the blue Tally-Hos. The Hive was offered for sale on the KWP web site.

/bama

bamabenz has it right here. The Hive wasn't crowdfunded. We paid for it and then listed it up for sale when we got them decks in at the Kings Wild office. The only Kings Wild deck that used the Kings Wild Funded platform was the Kings Wild Tally Ho (blue) aka the Turtlebacks.

And thanks for the nomination! 

I want to nominate the Mechanic VR 2 deck.