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The Source - Card Collecting 101 / Re: History of golden nugget
« on: September 19, 2014, 09:15:44 AM »
Hello guys,

i think we are on the way to creating something nice :)
Maybe we can start with listing all the types of cards we want to study .. i will contact you via PM as soon as i have enough time .. we'll talk about that and try to list which cards we want to follow .. Nuggets, Desert Inn, Imperial Palace, Caesar Palace, Dunes, Silver Slipper,  all these mythics decks !

And yes there is a purple Golden Nugget deck, the rarest, the most expensive one .. the only one i'm still looking for :)  (last one was around $300 for a used one)

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The Source - Card Collecting 101 / Re: History of golden nugget
« on: September 17, 2014, 10:30:25 AM »
I don't think there are many vintage Vegas cards collectors .. The story of these cards is not well known and nowadays many people prefer collecting newer cards mostly because it's less expensive and we can buy more and play with them  :)

I have 2nd generation brown and red hotel and casino, what would be interesting is a list of all decks you have with the code of the ace of spades .. to be able to feed the survey i could give you an access ..

Send me a PM and we'll be able to study that ..

About the purple Carson City i have only seen it once but i never really studied these cards.

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The Source - Card Collecting 101 / Re: History of golden nugget
« on: September 16, 2014, 08:22:18 AM »
iDoctor,
the work is still in progress and may be published sometime this year .. if Lee and I have more time :)

As far as Golden Nugget cards are concerned, i think we have a quite exhaustive view of which year for which color. We have a survey with around 200 decks (seen on ebay, or in collections), and we are less and less surprised about new items we can find.   If you have a collection of GN you may help if you want ..

About other Vegas vintage cards, yes it could be interesting, even if there are not many casinos with as many differences as Golden Nugget ..

Jerry's Nugget, for example, are quite easy : two colors, one year of production. Period.
Most of other Vegas Casinos 70's cards are like that .. Only Golden Nugget have more than 6 colors and years

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Guy Hollingworth Deck (D&D)
« on: August 26, 2014, 04:20:53 AM »
It's entirely possible that they did indeed get the stock thinner.  It's only a matter of the amount of pressure applied between the rollers when the pasteboard is created.  The actual paper used is the same.  Do a search for videos by the US Playing Card Co. on YouTube and you'll find one that shows how cards are made, start to finish.  The first step is to take two giant rolls of paper and glue them together in layers with a graphite-infused glue to create the pasteboard on which playing cards are printed.  The graphite keeps the cards opaque even in front of a strong light source.

Thanks Don, it's really interesting to have those technical details.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Guy Hollingworth Deck (D&D)
« on: August 25, 2014, 06:28:49 PM »

There are thickness variations not just between stocks but in some cases even from deck to deck in the same stock.  Thick or thin, the cost of the stock is the same - a pair of paper rolls glued together can make thick or thin stock, as the manufacturer sees fit.

The finish options available cost the same - included in the cost of making the deck.  The default is Magic Finish for custom decks.

Thanks for your answer Don

But how can D&D say they have worked with USPCC to make a thin deck ?   is it only commercial sentence or do you think they can really have USPC use a particular stock to have a thin deck ?

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Guy Hollingworth Deck (D&D)
« on: August 25, 2014, 08:57:14 AM »
Hello,

i have seen this deck and read that they wanted to make a thinner deck because Guy Hollingworth liked to play with thin Stud playing cards.

I thought Stud were just Bicycle like cards, but they seem to be quite different.

And that made me wonder how they could get thinner cards nowadays with USPCC ?
I thought all the new cards from USPCC were always using the most expensive finish and card stock. But not always the thinner one ? Is it a choice to have a high quality stock more or less thin ?

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Hello,

I always thought there was only one factory for good cards : USPCC  .. Everything new seem to come from them, or to come from companies bought by them.

But looking for the new NOC v3, I have discovered the Expert Playing Card Company and as I have never touched any of their cards I was wondering how the quality compares to existing qualities .. Is it equivalent to the Bee top quality with which finish ?

It seems there is only one quality of paper, does it compare to the Bee or the Bicycle one ?   Is the finish more aimed to magicians or flourishers ?
I’m looking forward to getting NOC v3 to test but users can probably already give their point of view ?

Thanks

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The Source - Card Collecting 101 / Re: History of golden nugget
« on: May 12, 2014, 09:48:37 AM »
Hello,

there is a work in progress to upgrade this with many new information, statistics, histories, pictures ..

Maybe it will be released before the end of summer :)

Fred.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Fake Jerry's Nuggets?
« on: February 10, 2014, 06:18:30 PM »
What is funny is that these 2 decks seem to have been sold to a french guy who has already sold them on a forum now ...

Jerry's Nugget cards are travelling all around the world  :)

Studying Nuggets (Golden or Jerry) for almost a year now, i think there are not so many fakes and you can find many opened decks with perfect cards. 

I think the best fakes (Lee was talking about them) almost look older than real decks :)

With an opened deck it's quite easy to find proof of real or fake deck.
I have made photos of 15 ways to find the real ones from the fakes, if it can help :)
http://seamonsters.fr/nuggets/jerrys-nugget-fake-real/

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Would YOU try this with your playing cards?
« on: January 11, 2014, 03:27:15 AM »
Oh yes, a video of Jerry's Nugget cleaned by banana. That would be great.
Some people may have heart attack :)
(although a banana cleaned deck is probably better than a dirty deck in an old shoe box)

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Would YOU try this with your playing cards?
« on: January 10, 2014, 10:24:56 AM »
It will be intersting to see the results on Air Cushion type.
I have never tested because i have no Air Cushion deck which has the same 'sandy dirt' feel as very old decks.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Would YOU try this with your playing cards?
« on: January 10, 2014, 08:34:37 AM »
Haha, I'm not the only mad man here anymore :)
You're probably right about the "oil" of the banana skin. The result is not perfect of course but it is noticeably better and even if it may not be very good for cards, it can transform a totally useless deck into a quite playable deck (at least to play poker with friends)
I have a Golden Nugget cleaned a few months ago and it is still far better than before and it remains playable. The 'oil' of the banana doesn't seem to become sticky or bad.
(and it doesn't smell at all of course)

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: What is in a Golden Nugget box ?
« on: December 26, 2013, 06:30:40 AM »
Hello,

thanks for your replies. Yes my question was sent at a time when i was very surprised to see a Bee card in a Golden Nugget box.
But now i know more about about what is in such boxes including sometimes in old deck a cut card with stars.

We are working hard with Lee Asher to make a complete documentation about Golden Nugget.
We always want more people to find more surprises about these cards, if you want to take part of the survey, tell me.

Thanks again for your reply.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Would YOU try this with your playing cards?
« on: December 21, 2013, 01:17:36 PM »
And, Lee, i'm happy to make you laugh but how can you imagine somebody selling me a Golden Nugget deck now ???? :)

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Would YOU try this with your playing cards?
« on: December 21, 2013, 01:09:39 PM »
Hello guys,
thanks for making my afternoon so funny

Who would have imagined a few months ago that today, the great Lee Asher would ask me to come on the forum and discuss with you about my strange way of cleaning cards ? Not me.
Who would have believed that i would be working with Lee to make the most definitive guide about Golden Nugget playing cards ?  Not me.

Life is funny.

A few months ago, i came here to ask people about Golden Nugget. As beginner magician, I was fond of these cards as well as all other Nuggets from the 60’s and 70’s. I was surprised that not too many people were collecting them and had information about them.

So i began looking for these cards everywhere, especially on ebay. And i began buying some. And trying to understand the history of these cards. And i made mistakes. And i bought expensive cards that were not this good. But i also made good deals, buying cheap cards which were very old and never played.

And i understood when the classical finish of Jerry’s Nugget stopped being used and when the Golden Nugget cards stopped being legendary to just become really good.

The problem was that sometimes i had < 1970 decks that would not shuffle correctly. If you have some of these decks maybe you would compare shuffling them to shuffling sheets of sandpaper. Do you feel what i mean ? if you understand then you have already bought old, dirty decks :)

The first deck i had with this particular feel was a 1970 Hotel Thunderbird Bee deck. An absolutely not interesting deck. It was awful to shuffle. A big piece of old cards which looked correct but felt ugly. I did not care about this deck and put it on the bottom of my card box.

Then i bought a very nice green Golden Nugget of 1967. I was really happy to have such an old deck with the great finish and this beautiful color. But when i received it, it was not nice to shuffle. It was not as ugly as the Hotel Thunderbird but almost. And of course, i had an almost new black Golden Nugget from the same year to compare with. The black was great whereas the green was a sh*t.

Then i asked people on a french forum about magic about a way to clean cards and make them become as new again and the story began. Sorry for being long about telling you the background but i think it was important to tell you that before.

In that forum, there were discussion and someone talked about the banana. And that way of cleaning the cards.

Is it a joke or not ? i don’t know. On the french forum some people were serious, other were laughing. Some people were talking about even more stupid ways of cleaning the cards. It was more a comic topic than a serious one.

In magic don’t we say that sometimes we just have to believe in something to make it happen ? :)

I tried the method on the Hotel Thunderbird deck. And as strange as it may be, it worked. No smell of banana on the cards, no (visible) oil on the cards, just a better deck after the work. I used two bananas to do that, and the skin of the bananas after the work was dirty.

So i decided to try it on my nice expensive green Golden Nugget. I tried on 10 cards. Shuffled the ten cards and compared to 10 dirty cards. Even a children could feel the difference. Even a children could tell that the old deck could only be used to feed the trashcan whereas the cleaned one was nice to play with.

After that i did that work on a few other decks, always with nice results. And talked about that to Lee. And decided to make a video of it because my friend Lee was not believing me.

The video is a comic video. I can imagine some people won’t believe me, or other people (collectors) will say that it’s evil to do such things to $50+ cards. I understand you, that’s why i wanted the video to be more a comic thing than a very technical and serious video. Take it as a joke or not. Tell me i’m a bad collector or bad magician (i know that :) it’s easy to see).

is this secret i’m talking about a real secret ? of course not
is this video a joke ? maybe

But if you find in your boxes an old deck of 1967 Golden Nugget that makes you cry when you shuffle it, just try my method on 10 cards, and tell me. Maybe you would understand it may not be a joke.

Sorry for the long article, i hope you won’t ban me from the forum for doing such nasty things :)

(and to be serious, the thing i truly agree about what people say in this thread is that it may clean the cards because of the texture of the banana skin but what about the oil that would go from the banana to the card ? I totally agree with that and that may be the thing that makes my method totally not usable.  And also i only did that on old <1970 cards, i never tried on Air Cushion Bicycle cards for example, maybe that’s the very old finish that makes my method seems to work)

(and i’m about to clean a 1966 red GN deck, if you want me to make photos or tests about before and after, tell me)

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: The Golden Nugget Survey
« on: November 12, 2013, 03:56:26 AM »
Thanks Don, i have sent a message.

But as i remember, i think i have already seen this article which was almost the same article as the one we can find on the net about Golden Nugget cards.

If it is the one i'm thinking about, it is a good starting point but it contains errors and it is not precise at all about years and which color for which period.

Based on my 1-month study i think i have more information than what was in the article i have read. That can't be possible, i'm sure some people know more about Golden Nugget than me :) Maybe they just don't want to talk to keep the secrets and sell cards at high price :)

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: The Golden Nugget Survey
« on: November 11, 2013, 02:42:40 PM »
Well, i tried .. but got no answer from Golden Nugget Casino. Nobody probably still knows exactly what happened in the 70's there :)

I have made my investigation about cards. Not many answers to my survey but enough to have a few results.. see the chart below, based on collection of around 150 decks

I'll be soon starting a Golden Nugget page with information, facts and online survey .. if somebody is interested, tell me.
And of course, i'm always interested in buying decks of cards :)


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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: The Golden Nugget Survey
« on: October 21, 2013, 01:28:15 PM »
Hi Don,

That's a great idea, i'll try but if it was that easy somebody would probably have already done it and published it somewhere :)

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / The Golden Nugget Survey
« on: October 21, 2013, 08:53:50 AM »
Hello,

i'm a quite new playing cards' collector and i quickly fell in love with the cards from the 70s.
Jerry's Nugget are nice but expensive, Dunes are really nice looking but also really rare, then there are the Golden Nugget.
I have decided to have a look at these playing cards because of the big number of colors and a wider availability.

The problem is that there are many colors, different versions, different quality and nobody really knows what is the rarest color or when each color was produced. Is the red more common than the black one ? Is it possible to have a brown one > 1970 ?

You can find good articles on this forum, on other forums and on several web sites, but no article can tell you exactly the beginning or the end of the production of a specific color.

Then i had the idea of a survey. If a big number of Golden Nugget owners could tell the color, tax stamp, and year of their deck, maybe we could have statistics about these wonderful cards.

If you want to be part of this survey, feel free to send me via private message the list of your Golden Nugget deck with :

color / type of tax stamp (old style or new style) / type of deck (Downtown or 2nd And Fremont or Atlantic City) / letter and number on the Ace of Spade (if the deck is not sealed)

If i can get enough information or at least some people are interested, i will start a website to try and create the most complete documentation about Golden Nugget.

Thanks in advance to be part of such an interesting survey for vintage playing cards' lovers :)

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: What is in a Golden Nugget box ?
« on: October 18, 2013, 02:27:52 PM »
Oh ok thanks for the idea

I had read very interesting articles from you and some others in this forum and thought there were many vintage card collectors too but it's still hard to find :)

Thanks

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: What is in a Golden Nugget box ?
« on: October 18, 2013, 01:57:34 PM »
Thanks for your tips Don

I had already found many small articles including the digital version of this one (in the blog https://sites.google.com/site/cardconjurer/playingcards/vintagecasinoplayingcards/goldennugget )
but there are still many questions to answer : the author "believes" many things but he has not all answers.

About the colors, the content of boxes, the dates of production, the fact that only the first ones are with the specific coating used for Jerry's Nugget .. well many things we could describe about the Golden Nugget legend :)

Maybe it would be a work to do : ask for Golden Nugget owners to give the production dates and the colors of their deck to identify what has been produced .. maybe i could do it :)

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / What is in a Golden Nugget box ?
« on: October 18, 2013, 12:25:05 PM »
Hello,

i have currently fallen in love with all the good old vintage casino playing cards.
And especially the Golden Nugget because of their quite frequent availability and number of colors. Easier to make a small collection than with the Dunes :)

I had one question about the sealed boxes :

what is in a sealed box of Golden Nugget ? 52 cards + 2 jokers + other cards ?
is it normal to have a black one 2nd Fremont with a red Bee Card in it ?

And is there a book or article or web article in which they are described with all the different versions ? i know several web articles but they lack details

Thanks
Fred.

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