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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2013, 04:50:03 AM »
 

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Haha Maybe if the people were quicker they wouldn't get locked out ;)

 I can see why people get mad about those types of releases though.

But personally it is the funest thing about getting cards, I like to see the people who missed out get mad and have to pay more to resellers. But it does suck when you are the one paying more.

It had nothing to do with speed - the fastest "clickers" weren't necessarily the ones who got through to make a purchase.  It was total chaos.

You LIKE seeing people get mad and paying more to resellers?  You think it's "funest" thing?  You, my friend, must have a lot of bad karma, in addition to poor spelling...  May you ALWAYS be the one paying more...  :))

For me, if it's suddenly crazy-expensive, I have little trouble writing it off and getting the next deck.  They're like trains - there's always another one coming down the track.

But back to the point - this is all speculation.  For all we know, they'll start giving away red Rounders by the brick with props, gaffs and stripper decks on their designated "Play More Magic Day"...

...but I'm not exactly holding my breath on that...
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2013, 07:45:38 AM »
 

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Yeah can't say I agree with releasing them like the red artifice or even white monarchs. The first window failed because the whole T11 site went down for a few hours. Regardless of how early or late you were, it all depended on whether or not you could hit every step of the checkout process during the half-second of a lesser traffic spike. It was a disaster too.

I'm somewhat hoping that this will be a black club exclusive, but am looking forward to its release regardless.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2013, 09:52:01 AM »
 

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I hope they release these like the Red Artifice, it gives me a bit of a "rush" trying to get the decks and the anticipation of them coming out.

E wants to make customers happy... If allowing customers to buy their products is what makes people happy, that's a Win/Win. The limited or unlimited quantity does not change the anticipation for me.  I absolutely want these.

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For all we know, they'll start giving away red Rounders by the brick with props, gaffs and stripper decks on their designated "Play More Magic Day"...

Your probably right about that. Individuals within Daniel's circle most likely have the Red Rounders already.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2013, 10:18:43 AM »
 

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i had a very card related dream last night, and that was that red rounders were only exclusive to black club members :)) that would b good for those that r members, I can't c th black artifice being the only deck available for purchase, so red rounders will be a nice addition. Of course, is expect them to limit the supply per member too (IF it were to happen)
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2013, 10:32:47 AM »
 

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i had a very card related dream last night, and that was that red rounders were only exclusive to black club members :)) that would b good for those that r members, I can't c th black artifice being the only deck available for purchase, so red rounders will be a nice addition. Of course, is expect them to limit the supply per member too (IF it were to happen)

Ah, the Queen's English...  after the stroke...  :))

Black Club members will likely just get first crack.  If Ellusionist marketed more decks just to Black Club members, they'd be limiting their customer pool to only BC members - it's hard to sell out a deck printed in the thousands with only a few hundred potential customers...
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2013, 10:39:25 AM »
 

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Yeah, but surely they'll have more than just the one deck available, exclusively, to black club members. It'd b nice of it were this one :)

ps it's queens English, nonetheless :))
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2013, 08:18:37 PM »
 

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Yeah, but surely they'll have more than just the one deck available, exclusively, to black club members. It'd b nice of it were this one :)

ps it's queens English, nonetheless :))


I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying that it's unlikely.  If more people were members, perhaps.  Dude, making a print run of playing cards costs EM-OH-EN-EE-WHY, with a capital MONEY.  Limiting access to your products works to a point to spark interest - after that, it simply gets expensive.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2013, 02:19:51 AM »
 

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Being as I am still currently on the fence on buying a BC membership, I would like to see these released to everyone. But hell, if I ever do pull the trigger for a membership, I am down for it to be an exclusive. Either way, DM decks are a win. btw, I heard they released the BC boxes for individual sell?
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2013, 02:52:19 AM »
 

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Being as I am still currently on the fence on buying a BC membership, I would like to see these released to everyone. But hell, if I ever do pull the trigger for a membership, I am down for it to be an exclusive. Either way, DM decks are a win. btw, I heard they released the BC boxes for individual sell?

Looking at the store's website shows that there are black club boxes for $19.99 but clicking it brought me to the "subscribe for updates" page suggesting it's not avaliable yet. But it's still a Black Club member exclusive item.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2013, 03:02:18 AM »
 

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Being as I am still currently on the fence on buying a BC membership, I would like to see these released to everyone. But hell, if I ever do pull the trigger for a membership, I am down for it to be an exclusive. Either way, DM decks are a win. btw, I heard they released the BC boxes for individual sell?

Guys - it was never more than sheer speculation that this deck would even be RARE, never mind being a Black Club exclusive!

Black Club boxes?  If you mean the Artifice deck, no, only to members and only two extra beyond the one you get with a membership, $18 each.  If you mean the collector's box that comes with the membership, they're listed in the Black Club Store at $19.95, but clicking through to the item page only shows a single review for the box with no links, buttons, etc. to purchase it - there isn't even a product description.  I like that box as much as the next guy, but I'm not too sure I'd be shelling out extra for more of them.  They're crazy-bulky, longer than a brick, and there's a good deal of empty space in the box that's too small to fit a deck into.  And even if they were purchasable, they're still in the Black Club store - you have to be a member and you have to be logged in with your account to make a purchase.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2013, 05:57:56 AM »
 

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Thank you for the clear up on the collectors box. As for the Red Rounders decks...of course all of this is just speculation and nothing more. As with all releases or lack there of, everything is speculation until the time comes for clarity.
These may not even get released at all...who knows?
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2013, 08:40:56 AM »
 

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Found this on Instagram... This may be the Red Rounders. DM has a love for Wynn (especially red ones) and designed his cards to be reminiscent if them. I'm guessing this is just a Wynn box, however I wouldn't be surprised of he designed the red rounders to be this way.

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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2013, 10:25:18 AM »
 

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Found this on Instagram... This may be the Red Rounders. DM has a love for Wynn (especially red ones) and designed his cards to be reminiscent if them. I'm guessing this is just a Wynn box, however I wouldn't be surprised of he designed the red rounders to be this way.

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Unless you've got the gift of second sight or something, how can you tell?  It's a black-and-white photo and you can't even see the card back!  And who's that image source?  Unless you know it's from Ellusionist or Madison, that could simply be a dude taking a picture of his own black Rounders in a Bee Casino box.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2013, 10:31:35 AM »
 

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Found this on Instagram... This may be the Red Rounders. DM has a love for Wynn (especially red ones) and designed his cards to be reminiscent if them. I'm guessing this is just a Wynn box, however I wouldn't be surprised of he designed the red rounders to be this way.

Source: benoitpervier

Unless you've got the gift of second sight or something, how can you tell?  It's a black-and-white photo and you can't even see the card back!  And who's that image source?  Unless you know it's from Ellusionist or Madison, that could simply be a dude taking a picture of his own black Rounders in a Bee Casino box.

Well this guy tends to have things sent to him via Madison himself, yes not the most reliable source. However it is interesting due to link between Madison's love for Wynn playing cards and the Rounders. If these were them (a massive if, mind you) it'd be interesting to see if Madison would go as close as he could to Wynn styling.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2013, 11:18:22 AM »
 

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Found this on Instagram... This may be the Red Rounders. DM has a love for Wynn (especially red ones) and designed his cards to be reminiscent if them. I'm guessing this is just a Wynn box, however I wouldn't be surprised of he designed the red rounders to be this way.

Source: benoitpervier

Unless you've got the gift of second sight or something, how can you tell?  It's a black-and-white photo and you can't even see the card back!  And who's that image source?  Unless you know it's from Ellusionist or Madison, that could simply be a dude taking a picture of his own black Rounders in a Bee Casino box.

Well this guy tends to have things sent to him via Madison himself, yes not the most reliable source. However it is interesting due to link between Madison's love for Wynn playing cards and the Rounders. If these were them (a massive if, mind you) it'd be interesting to see if Madison would go as close as he could to Wynn styling.

Personally, I imagine that Madison/Ellusionist will make the red Rounders...EXACTLY like the black ones!  Except for the obvious color-changed back, naturally...  :))  There's no solid reason to believe they'd be any different.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2013, 11:23:54 AM »
 

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Found this on Instagram... This may be the Red Rounders. DM has a love for Wynn (especially red ones) and designed his cards to be reminiscent if them. I'm guessing this is just a Wynn box, however I wouldn't be surprised of he designed the red rounders to be this way.

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Yup... Its nothing more then an opened casino bee tuck box with rounders cards placed in it. The person who took the photo is probably implicating the similarity between the Wynn's and Rounders through photography. A side by side would have been better. I don't own Wynn's. If anyone has both decks, would enjoy seeing a side by side here.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2013, 12:17:15 PM »
 

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Yup... Its nothing more then an opened casino bee tuck box with rounders cards placed in it. The person who took the photo is probably implicating the similarity between the Wynn's and Rounders through photography. A side by side would have been better. I don't own Wynn's. If anyone has both decks, would enjoy seeing a side by side here.

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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2013, 01:40:20 PM »
 

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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2013, 04:07:06 AM »
 

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Well before revolutions 9, I thought there was going to be another color.

1. When you order rounders, on the order they are known as MADISONRBLCK. There is no need to add the BLCK on the name if black is the only version available. They would only be known as MADISONR or MADISONRNDR.

2. You have to listen how Daniel introduces the Rounders in revelations 9. He calls them Rounders Black Edition. Another hint there is more then one color available (RED).

These are indeed RED Madison Rounders.

Ever heard of 'Black' Tigers? Have you heard of White Tigers? Or Blue Tigers? Or 'Slightly Reddish Salmon Tigers'
The 1800 'Series'? Not really much of a 'Series' there.
First Edition Artifice? They were called 'BLUEARTIFICE' before Dave, our webmaster who enters all these things, even knew that Red Artifice was going to exist, let alone Green, Purple or Black.

What it comes down to is 'How do we make these easily identifiable when picking an order' - the answer is most often 'Describe it' - and make it simple. We had problems with 'SULTANR' and 'SULTANT' (Republic and Treasury) so Republics were renamed back of house 'SULTANRBLCK' - despite a) them not actually being black, and b) there not being a White, Red, Blue, Brown, Purple or Green Republic. There's no real rhyme or reason behind Dave's naming conventions. He calls things what he wants.

I can't confirm or deny if Red, Teal, Aubergine, Cyan, Burnt Sienna, Aquamarine, Lilac, Mustard or Taupe Rounders exist - or are ever going to be made - but I can tell you that there are no Rounders decks currently on my release calendar - there is however, another two decks that are.

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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2013, 05:44:20 AM »
 

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Well before revolutions 9, I thought there was going to be another color.

1. When you order rounders, on the order they are known as MADISONRBLCK. There is no need to add the BLCK on the name if black is the only version available. They would only be known as MADISONR or MADISONRNDR.

2. You have to listen how Daniel introduces the Rounders in revelations 9. He calls them Rounders Black Edition. Another hint there is more then one color available (RED).

These are indeed RED Madison Rounders.

Ever heard of 'Black' Tigers? Have you heard of White Tigers? Or Blue Tigers? Or 'Slightly Reddish Salmon Tigers'
The 1800 'Series'? Not really much of a 'Series' there.
First Edition Artifice? They were called 'BLUEARTIFICE' before Dave, our webmaster who enters all these things, even knew that Red Artifice was going to exist, let alone Green, Purple or Black.

What it comes down to is 'How do we make these easily identifiable when picking an order' - the answer is most often 'Describe it' - and make it simple. We had problems with 'SULTANR' and 'SULTANT' (Republic and Treasury) so Republics were renamed back of house 'SULTANRBLCK' - despite a) them not actually being black, and b) there not being a White, Red, Blue, Brown, Purple or Green Republic. There's no real rhyme or reason behind Dave's naming conventions. He calls things what he wants.

I can't confirm or deny if Red, Teal, Aubergine, Cyan, Burnt Sienna, Aquamarine, Lilac, Mustard or Taupe Rounders exist - or are ever going to be made - but I can tell you that there are no Rounders decks currently on my release calendar - there is however, another two decks that are.

-Jake.

...as he enigmatically leaves the projects unnamed...  :))  Hey, how about Spam Rounders?

Thanks for settling that.  So it would seem Daniel Madison was using a pack of red Wynns for that video, unless he was feeling flush enough to make some Red Rounders for himself as his private stash (odds: slim to none).

And now I'll go add two unnamed Ellusionist projects to the New Deck Report...
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2013, 05:47:17 PM »
 

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What it comes down to is 'How do we make these easily identifiable when picking an order' - the answer is most often 'Describe it' - and make it simple. We had problems with 'SULTANR' and 'SULTANT' (Republic and Treasury) so Republics were renamed back of house 'SULTANRBLCK' - despite a) them not actually being black, and b) there not being a White, Red, Blue, Brown, Purple or Green Republic. There's no real rhyme or reason behind Dave's naming conventions. He calls things what he wants.

I can't confirm or deny if Red, Teal, Aubergine, Cyan, Burnt Sienna, Aquamarine, Lilac, Mustard or Taupe Rounders exist - or are ever going to be made - but I can tell you that there are no Rounders decks currently on my release calendar - there is however, another two decks that are.

Maybe I seem to be reading much more into your chosen words here then you are intending. I understand you can't confirm OR deny another existing color of Rounders playing cards. That does not mean that they don't exist either. Only that Ellusionist does not "currently" plan to release another color of Madison Rounders. Could there be a "Burnt Sienna" deck named something other then "Rounders" using the same design?  Who knows! Why does Daniel make a point of calling the current Madison Rounders "Black Edition"? I know the theory11 Artisans are also known as "Black Edition". I'm not saying there is another edition of Artisans that exist but it does leave the door purposely open to possibilities.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2013, 11:48:55 PM »
 

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Maybe I seem to be reading much more into your chosen words here then you are intending. I understand you can't confirm OR deny another existing color of Rounders playing cards. That does not mean that they don't exist either. Only that Ellusionist does not "currently" plan to release another color of Madison Rounders. Could there be a "Burnt Sienna" deck named something other then "Rounders" using the same design?  Who knows! Why does Daniel make a point of calling the current Madison Rounders "Black Edition"? I know the theory11 Artisans are also known as "Black Edition". I'm not saying there is another edition of Artisans that exist but it does leave the door purposely open to possibilities.

YES, you are reading too much into it!  Even Freud acknowledged that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...  :))

He clearly said there are no Rounders decks on the release calendar.  Look:

I can't confirm or deny if Red, Teal, Aubergine, Cyan, Burnt Sienna, Aquamarine, Lilac, Mustard or Taupe Rounders exist - or are ever going to be made - but I can tell you that there are no Rounders decks currently on my release calendar - there is however, another two decks that are.

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That sounds really straightforward to me.  Will there be some on his calendar at some future date?  I'd tell you but I left my crystal ball in my other pair of pants...
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2013, 02:06:42 PM »
 

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Why does Daniel make a point of calling the current Madison Rounders "Black Edition"? I know the theory11 Artisans are also known as "Black Edition".

Have you ever thought that maybe he wanted too? I'd do that if I were him. It makes the deck have a certain finesse and an increased professionalism.
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2013, 05:36:17 PM »
 

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Why does Daniel make a point of calling the current Madison Rounders "Black Edition"? I know the theory11 Artisans are also known as "Black Edition".

Have you ever thought that maybe he wanted too? I'd do that if I were him. It makes the deck have a certain finesse and an increased professionalism.

Unless he has no control of his brain, of course he wanted too. I highly doubt it has anything to do with finesse and increased professionalism. My reading into any choice of word only gives an alternative opinion for the sake argument. Either it came out thinking nothing of it or It was leaving the door open to the existence of another color. Unable to confirm or deny that fact basically tells me what I want to know. 
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Re: Red Rounders??
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2013, 12:48:21 AM »
 

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Why does Daniel make a point of calling the current Madison Rounders "Black Edition"? I know the theory11 Artisans are also known as "Black Edition".

Have you ever thought that maybe he wanted too? I'd do that if I were him. It makes the deck have a certain finesse and an increased professionalism.

Unless he has no control of his brain, of course he wanted too. I highly doubt it has anything to do with finesse and increased professionalism. My reading into any choice of word only gives an alternative opinion for the sake argument. Either it came out thinking nothing of it or It was leaving the door open to the existence of another color. Unable to confirm or deny that fact basically tells me what I want to know.

Guys, it's really very simple.  Jake/Xntrix, an employee of Ellusionist who would know these things, said there's no other color of Rounders on the release calendar.  So there are no other Rounders.  Will there be in the future?  It could happen, just like purple Artifice decks happened.  But the fact that it's not on the calendar makes it sound as if it's not even at some point in production or design, either.

As far as "leaving the door open to other possibilities" - that door is no more open or closed than it would have been if the deck didn't have any edition name on it!  It's not finesse, it's not increased professionalism, nor is it an implication of future versions - it's MARKETING, plain and simple.  He could call it the Peanut Butter edition, but that doesn't imply that Jelly, Jam, Wheat Bread and White Bread editions are in the works.  Or there could have been NO edition name on it.  None if it matters.  It got the name it got to make it appear more attractive when being marketed in order to increase sales, without which no for-profit company will survive.

When T11 released the "Black Stingers", they were simply called Stingers.  It was when the Red Stingers released that the black ones were retroactively given that name by the people buying them in the collectors' market to make them easier to tell apart.  Some even call them "White Stingers", though that group tends to be in the minority since the red ones are also white.  Didn't matter one bit that the first ones weren't called "Black Stingers" in the first place.  When Ellusionist released the Masters Edition decks in red and blue, I don't think it was originally the game plan to make the Shadow Masters edition - but here it is, in all its glory.  Same for when T11 released the "version 1" of any of their decks that had more than one version.  They never were called "version 1" until version 2 was in the works.  We didn't start calling the original Bicycle Steam Punk deck the "copper Steam Punks" until the USPC "brass" version, then along came the Silver Steampunks, the name of which implies that some person or people at USPC and/or T11 who are in charge of these deck names also identified with the other decks by their metallic coloring.

The converse also holds true.  Who here has the Bicycle Limited Edition Series decks #1 and #2?  Are you holding your breath waiting for #3, or any other decks from the planned ten-deck series?  Or the Vintage Series - you think there are any plans on the schedule for the remaining six backs in the series to be released?  The naming convention implies there will be more, but there aren't, and it doesn't appear that there are any longer any plans to be, either.

The names mean bupkiss when it comes to determining whether more varieties of a given deck will exist.  It has everything to do with sales and the preferences of the people making these decks.
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