New Deck? - D&D Chinatown?

[Paul Carpenter]

The creative guy at D&D put up this Instagram picture today. Looks like, uh, a chinese restaurant menu, sort of. Hmm, not sure what to make of that.

[Evan]

That is definitely the box of the deck. You can see the flaps the side says "company" like the D&D playing card company.
This look really cool

[Evan]

Heres another pic

[CBJ]

Dan and Dave tweet

"
Year of The Dragon begins Monday, January 23rd.  @ Chinatown, Los Angeles http://instagr.am/p/iDxz4/

CBJ

[Frost]

when are they going to release it ??

[Evan]

when are they going to release it ??

Based on their tweet, it sounds like January 23rd but we don't know for sure

[Derek]

Ohh, I'm excited now. Hopefully this deck will be more pleasing than the vintage decks were 

[Angel_magic]

Ohh, I'm excited now. Hopefully this deck will be more pleasing than the vintage decks were 

 
Or most of their recent decks for that matter. I really think they're starting to push it with yet another release..
But I guess this one looks kinda cool, so I have my fingers crossed.

[Deboziology]

Its scary how many decks they can release in such a short amount of time. Not saying it's a bad thing. D&D always puts up quality deck which look awesome. But somehow they have to stop for a moment and let all of us card collectors rest. But after telling this , I'll be most likely picking a few up as I'll be celebrating Chinese New Year too!

[MrLukeCarroll]

A really interesting deck, depending on the final design and I might pick some up from them.

[phantom1412]

Should we wait for a valentine deck next month?

[xela]

My thoughts: No.

[Evan]

My thoughts: No.

Care to elaborate?

[xela]

My thoughts: No.

Care to elaborate?

Sure thing. Releasing 1-2 decks a month is pointless. They're over saturating the market. I'm not even sure what relation they have to the Chinese people. Where was the inspiration drawn from? It's as baffling as me making a Columbian-inspired deck.

Also, this is hardly new. We had two Chinese New Year decks come out just last year (Gong Xi Fa Cai and another one).

[LauR]

The bad thing is you wont get this before chinese new year, so you can't use it on the day

[nimblewitted]

I'm interested in seeing if D&D managed to keep up their reputation for clean and professional decks and yet somehow incorporate the potentially cheesy dragon designs.

[Frost]

i hope they don't let us down with the deck design .  

[Masque]

Frankly I'd rather be slightly let down by the deck design, but have it with fantastic stock and finish (v6!) than have a design I love but have the stock suffer (Fulton's).

[K]

Mmm, not their usual style with the design but it looks nice for a deck for Chinese new year... 


Yeah, like LauR said, can't use it for Chinese new year this year, have to wait for another 12 years for another dragon year  :'(

[Don Boyer]

Sure thing. Releasing 1-2 decks a month is pointless. They're over saturating the market. I'm not even sure what relation they have to the Chinese people. Where was the inspiration drawn from? It's as baffling as me making a Columbian-inspired deck.

Also, this is hardly new. We had two Chinese New Year decks come out just last year (Gong Xi Fa Cai and another one).

The connection: LA has a large and vibrant Chinatown community, similar to New York City's.  They're based in LA, could possibly be located in or near Chinatown, either residentially or professionally.


While the deck box looks pretty sharp, I agree that we've already had Chinatown and Chinese-themed decks before.  And we've all had WAY TOO MANY Buck Brothers decks since what, Thanksgiving?  It would seem that they're not just milking the deck collector market, but pushing the boundaries of the market bubble to the brink of bursting, if not past that point.

[Derek]

Sure thing. Releasing 1-2 decks a month is pointless. They're over saturating the market. I'm not even sure what relation they have to the Chinese people. Where was the inspiration drawn from? It's as baffling as me making a Columbian-inspired deck.

Also, this is hardly new. We had two Chinese New Year decks come out just last year (Gong Xi Fa Cai and another one).

The connection: LA has a large and vibrant Chinatown community, similar to New York City's.  They're based in LA, could possibly be located in or near Chinatown, either residentially or professionally.


While the deck box looks pretty sharp, I agree that we've already had Chinatown and Chinese-themed decks before.  And we've all had WAY TOO MANY Buck Brothers decks since what, Thanksgiving?  It would seem that they're not just milking the deck collector market, but pushing the boundaries of the market bubble to the brink of bursting, if not past that point.

I'm pretty sure if you listen close enough you can hear a loud POP...

[K]

Sure thing. Releasing 1-2 decks a month is pointless. They're over saturating the market. I'm not even sure what relation they have to the Chinese people. Where was the inspiration drawn from? It's as baffling as me making a Columbian-inspired deck.

Also, this is hardly new. We had two Chinese New Year decks come out just last year (Gong Xi Fa Cai and another one).

The connection: LA has a large and vibrant Chinatown community, similar to New York City's.  They're based in LA, could possibly be located in or near Chinatown, either residentially or professionally.


While the deck box looks pretty sharp, I agree that we've already had Chinatown and Chinese-themed decks before.  And we've all had WAY TOO MANY Buck Brothers decks since what, Thanksgiving?  It would seem that they're not just milking the deck collector market, but pushing the boundaries of the market bubble to the brink of bursting, if not past that point.

I'm pretty sure if you listen close enough you can hear a loud POP...

I agree, too many decks have been released in such as short amount of time, Fulton's Clip, Fantastique, Vintage Plaids, Arrcos, not to mention Jerry's and Tungstene from D&D on top of the other cards released by other companies as well..

[Masque]

Also D&D have traveled to China in the past, and have friends there.

[dmbaggs]

Wow I go to school and work and come back and Dan and Dave have another deck!! What is going on? Who unleashed the flood gates?


This could actually be pretty cool!! Dan and Dave do good work even if they are putting out too much right now. I haven't been a huge fan of these type of decks in the past so it'll be interesting to see if they can change my mind with this deck.


I'm not going to complain too much about there being too many decks because it won't do much good. We've made our voice heard and if it is really a huge problem we can just email them. It's a business though and they are doing what they choose to do.
All it does for me is makes me really think critically about each deck. Is it worth it? I've had to pass on the past couple D&D decks because of the onslaught of new decks. Part of me hates it but the other part loves it. It makes the decks I do decide to buy more worthwhile to me and the decks that I don't get I can always pick up at a later date.


Back on topic though... I'm very interested to see how this one turns out

[Don Boyer]

Sure thing. Releasing 1-2 decks a month is pointless. They're over saturating the market. I'm not even sure what relation they have to the Chinese people. Where was the inspiration drawn from? It's as baffling as me making a Columbian-inspired deck.

Also, this is hardly new. We had two Chinese New Year decks come out just last year (Gong Xi Fa Cai and another one).

The connection: LA has a large and vibrant Chinatown community, similar to New York City's.  They're based in LA, could possibly be located in or near Chinatown, either residentially or professionally.

While the deck box looks pretty sharp, I agree that we've already had Chinatown and Chinese-themed decks before.  And we've all had WAY TOO MANY Buck Brothers decks since what, Thanksgiving?  It would seem that they're not just milking the deck collector market, but pushing the boundaries of the market bubble to the brink of bursting, if not past that point.

I'm pretty sure if you listen close enough you can hear a loud POP...

I agree, too many decks have been released in such as short amount of time, Fulton's Clip, Fantastique, Vintage Plaids, Arrcos, not to mention Jerry's and Tungstene from D&D on top of the other cards released by other companies as well..

Well, it's hard to definitively say the bubble has burst.  Right now we're in the midst of the standard seasonal retail downtown - everyone's getting their credit card bills from Christmas, they just got a mess of gifts, there's less demand.  There'll be a bump for the SuperBowl in snacks, beer and big TVs, another at Valentine's Day for the standard accoutrement of that holiday (including restaurant dining), but the rest of retail doesn't generally recover until it's getting closer to spring.

Having said that, I've been noticing that while some decks have retained their value well, others have been going for less than their normal going rate on eBay.  Or maybe I'm wrong?  What do you people think?

And the deck does look nice - I think that the red/gold image is the card back (I first thought it was another part of the box).  If so, it really looks pretty sharp and not chintzy.  While there is a Chinese New Year deck from Bicycle, I think this one will beat the pants of that one with one joker tied behind its back.

[Deboziology]

No doubt this is the best Chinese New Year Deck in the playing card market. Frankly speaking , it somehow resembles a Chinese red packet: a small packet to put money for the married elders to give their children and relative's children. It also somehow reminds me of the Red Dragon Deck from MagicMakers. Anyone thinks the same as me?

[Frost]

ya I've seen those small envelops to is that going to be the box ??

[Don Boyer]

No doubt this is the best Chinese New Year Deck in the playing card market. Frankly speaking , it somehow resembles a Chinese red packet: a small packet to put money for the married elders to give their children and relative's children. It also somehow reminds me of the Red Dragon Deck from MagicMakers. Anyone thinks the same as me?

I don't know if I could go as far as saying "best CNY deck on the market", seeing as how they aren't even on the market yet and there's only been a few photos so far...  I'll grant you, though, that they look rather promising, and I was thinking the same thing about the red envelopes with this deck and the GXFC/CNY deck the USPC issued - but this looks much nicer from what we've seen so far.

[dmbaggs]

I also think that this will be the best CNY deck. That is if it really is a deck  eh?


It would be rather funny if this ended up not to be a deck, with all the hype we've given it and all

[Paul Carpenter]

I think it's also clear why USPCC is swamped and can't print decks like the Vortex for months. D&D and theory11 apparently use 100% of the press time with their weekly releases....

[dmbaggs]

I think it's also clear why USPCC is swamped and can't print decks like the Vortex for months. D&D and theory11 apparently use 100% of the press time with their weekly releases....

Yeah it's a shame really! Is this Chinese New Year the year of the playing card deck? Just curious, I've lost track of it by now 

[Don Boyer]

I think it's also clear why USPCC is swamped and can't print decks like the Vortex for months. D&D and theory11 apparently use 100% of the press time with their weekly releases....

Yeah it's a shame really! Is this Chinese New Year the year of the playing card deck? Just curious, I've lost track of it by now 

No, I think that was last year - this year is the year of the Shake Weight!   

But, back on topic, yes, those two firms together, D&D especially, seem to be getting a lot of crap out of the pipeline at record speed while others are forced to wait in the bread line for the crumbs.  Even E isn't this crazy with the deckage and they practically made this market!  They came out with Artifice (four models), Infinity (one model) and LTD (one model) over the course of the whole year 2011, while D&D produced nearly that just since Halloween: Fantastique (1), Fulton's (1), Tungstene (1) and Vintage Plaid (2).  I can't even count the Jerry's Nuggets (2) or the Arrcos (2) (and probably shouldn't count the Tungstene, but who knows what hand they had in that deck) because they weren't produced by them or in 2011-2012.

As much as I think it would be awesome to make a deck of cards (assuming I had the ideas and the talent), I'd be practically afraid of getting into the business now.  Finding a good printer that isn't my competition, elbowing my way into an overcrowded, overheated market against companies carrying bigger guns and throwing their weight around, getting the funding and doing the designing and other heavy lifting...  It would probably kill me, or at least my relationship to my fiancee, since she'd never see me without my face buried in a computer screen.

[phantom1412]

Is there any confirmation that the deck will be release on 23 Jan?
Anyone mailed them?

[Evan]

Is there any confirmation that the deck will be release on 23 Jan?
Anyone mailed them?

It would make sense that it is the 23rd because that is the start of the chinese new year. But it hasn't been 100% confirmed by D&D

[Evan]

I think it's also clear why USPCC is swamped and can't print decks like the Vortex for months. D&D and theory11 apparently use 100% of the press time with their weekly releases....

I could be wrong, but I think D&D have they're own printing thing where they print their decks.

[Paul Carpenter]

As much as I think it would be awesome to make a deck of cards (assuming I had the ideas and the talent), I'd be practically afraid of getting into the business now.  Finding a good printer that isn't my competition, elbowing my way into an overcrowded, overheated market against companies carrying bigger guns and throwing their weight around, getting the funding and doing the designing and other heavy lifting...  It would probably kill me, or at least my relationship to my fiancee, since she'd never see me without my face buried in a computer screen.

All true, but as I see it, things that you are passionate about that are worth doing usually aren't easy. Press on and do it even when the big guys do their best to make it hard. David did beat Goliath with that little rock after all.

[Masque]

I think it's also clear why USPCC is swamped and can't print decks like the Vortex for months. D&D and theory11 apparently use 100% of the press time with their weekly releases....

I could be wrong, but I think D&D have they're own printing thing where they print their decks.

Nah, they use USPC.  See here: http://shop.dananddave.com/playing-cards/vintage-plaid-uncut.html


"Authentic uncut sheets pulled straight off the US Playing Card Companies factory line."

[Evan]

Another pic! "Smoke and Dragon" is what it said

[zaganh]

hope i get one of these with deck of the month =D

[jmrock]

As usual, D&D... No information... No confirmation... Nothing but secrecy and mystery... If this is indeed a deck, it appears that they're pretty far along in the process, so why not be candid with everyone that purchases their decks and keeps their lights on and let the card collectors know what's going on?  I'm afraid that's too much to ask from the Bucks...

[Evan]

It has been confirmed by Syd that this is a D&D deck 

[Masque]

As usual, D&D... No information... No confirmation... Nothing but secrecy and mystery... If this is indeed a deck, it appears that they're pretty far along in the process, so why not be candid with everyone that purchases their decks and keeps their lights on and let the card collectors know what's going on?  I'm afraid that's too much to ask from the Bucks...

They're magicians and performing artists. You expect them to take the Sam's Club approach? Building suspense is part and parcel of the market. Anticipation builds demand, as you're demonstrating here. Will it be limited? Will it sell out? Should the performer grab two bricks because this will be the next Jerry's Nugget? Should the collector? That tension is desired by marketers.
They're doing their job quite well, even as unpleasant as it may be for the rest of us.

[Paul Carpenter]

Here's my prediction:

This will have the "Theory11 Syndrome" in that it will have this jazzy, embossed, metallic box and the cards will have standard suits, standard court, a moderately interesting Joker, and that's it. I'd love to be wrong, but that sure has been the pattern lately.

Seems like the tuck box is the primary focus these days, which is odd because these things really don't sit on store shelves and need to "silently sell themselves." All of these cards are on websites, where we can see pictures of all the elements, so why the design focus lately has been 90% box / 10% cards is a mystery to me.

[Don Boyer]

Here's my prediction:

This will have the "Theory11 Syndrome" in that it will have this jazzy, embossed, metallic box and the cards will have standard suits, standard court, a moderately interesting Joker, and that's it. I'd love to be wrong, but that sure has been the pattern lately.

Seems like the tuck box is the primary focus these days, which is odd because these things really don't sit on store shelves and need to "silently sell themselves." All of these cards are on websites, where we can see pictures of all the elements, so why the design focus lately has been 90% box / 10% cards is a mystery to me.

I have to admit that it all seems pretty "bass-ackwards" to focus on the box that much.  T11 is the biggest offender in that department, especially with all those v2 decks.  And it's very unlikely there will be another Jerry's Nugget - nowadays, get Magic Finish and a decent casino-grade stock, and just like all the other recent releases doing the same, your cards will handle pretty smoothly and last a while longer than before.

[Masque]

Think about what goes into the design of the deck:

1 box
1 back
1 Ace of Spades
1 or 2 jokers
12 court cards
4 custom pip designs
39 additional pip cards

Those are basically listed in descending order of "flash" - that is, the box is going to be in pretty much every photo of the product, and is sort of the deck's "signature". The back is next, then the ace of spades.  The court cards are an item as a whole, but look at how much work it is to produce custom court cards.  And as a performer, consider what side of the cards your audience will see the most?

Frankly, if you pour time into an awesome back and a flashy box, you're going to sell a lot of decks. I'd wager it takes at least as long to do a set of custom faces as it does to do an entire regular-faced custom deck, easy. So if you can get away with color changes on the faces and push your box and back, there will be those who decide it's better to do two different decks with the same effort it would take to do one with fully-custom faces and pips.  Is a deck with custom faces worth twice the price to you?

I believe that is where the "artisan" decks come in. Low- to medium-sized production runs of artist-produced (or small team-produced) decks, such as Vortex, Revision One, and the upcoming Ornate deck, among others. Those will fill the gaps, and continue to keep the bar higher than it would otherwise settle to. Look at what is available now compared to five years ago, and how we got here. Those focusing on volume will fill one niche, and those focusing on detail will fill another. And there will be the occasional brilliant crossover, of course.

[dmbaggs]

Well it is a deck! That's cool I guess. I'm crossing my fingers for custom courts but like @xmetal said I doubt that this will be the case. If so I'll probably pass on this deck.

[Evan]

Possible Ace of Spades

 

[dmbaggs]

It looks pretty cool from the little  "preview". I'm still a little unsure about this one, but if the rest of the ace of spades is good then that will be a great start!

[Don Boyer]

As cool as the current photos are looking, I'd be surprised (unfortunately) if this deck was customized beyond some interesting color choices for standard design court cards.  They haven't really released a single deck that went beyond an original back, ace of spades, jokers and court colors.  The closest they've come to that would be the new Vintage Plaids - and that just had an aged-look color to the background of the faces.

[dmbaggs]

Yeah I see where you're coming from @Sabacc. I've been thinking the same thing too, which is shame. This deck will probably have the best looking "re-colored" court cards (If they do indeed go in that direction). I can already see the red and gold court cards... Those could be pretty sweet. Although I would love to see a fully custom deck over that any day, but I don't see that happening 

[zaganh]

didnt they have an idea for a realy crazy deck once that looked like it would of been fully customized the black one that had colours everywhere it looked crazy but awsome and it never came out ><

[dmbaggs]

didnt they have an idea for a realy crazy deck once that looked like it would of been fully customized the black one that had colours everywhere it looked crazy but awsome and it never came out ><

They did indeed! It was one crazy deck! I really liked it but I doubt we'll ever see that one in print.

[zaganh]

me too it looked awesome they didnt go with that but they brought the cork clip out face palm damn now im thinking of those red and gold court cards drools i really hope there released the 23rd =)

[dmbaggs]

me too it looked awesome they didnt go with that but they brought the cork clip out face palm damn now im thinking of those red and gold court cards drools i really hope there released the 23rd =)

Not sure what you're getting at there. You could hate the court cards or love them (it depends on if your saying *drools* or just drools) A little punctuation goes a long way.

[zaganh]

love them sorry i find punctuation really hard and its 7 am and i havent slept i blame both factors >< *drools* the good way ^^

[Evan]

Thats like the Clip Joint decks

[Derek]

I'm pretty pumped for these to be released, not going to lie    They will definitely be nice cards since DnD is releasing them BUT, we'll have to wait and see if they are amazing cards.

[Evan]

Brad Fulton tweeted, "Fulton's Year of the Dragon. Monday."

[zaganh]

syd said it will be out monday too =)

[moonexe]

Damn, we can't refer to clip joints as "fultons" anymore...

[Lushbob]

Wow! On Monday?
With all these independent designers around lately, I've become used to finding out about a deck, and expecting quite a few months before the release. But I just found out about this yesterday! That's what, about 5 days?
D&D need to stop releasing decks all the time. But to be honest, I'm quite likely to pick this deck up. At least the box looks pretty nice. But I guess I'll decide when I see the faces of the cards.

[Evan]

Oh and another pic too!

[moonexe]

It would be great to have custom court cards, but with the short time between clip joints and those, I seriously doubt it. The backs will determine whether or not I get them.
The box sure looks pretty sexy, but T11 has taught us that the quality of the box doesn't mean much.
 

[zaganh]

i wonder if the trailer shows the cards more this time last time it was more the theme than the cards i hope they come out on time the fultons were quite late in the night here in the uk

[KPopFever605]

Based on the pictures, they'll be like a v2 of the Fulton's I really like the pictures so far. I just fell in love with it when I saw the pictures. It would be epic if they did a cultural theme when printing these Fultons.

[moonexe]

Based on the pictures, they'll be like a v2 of the Fulton's I really like the pictures so far. I just fell in love with it when I saw the pictures. It would be epic if they did a cultural theme when printing these Fultons.

Um, they have nothing at all to do with the Clip Joints besides the designer... It says Fulton's because they're designed by Brad Fulton. They aren't a V2 of anything.

[KPopFever605]

Based on the pictures, they'll be like a v2 of the Fulton's I really like the pictures so far. I just fell in love with it when I saw the pictures. It would be epic if they did a cultural theme when printing these Fultons.

Um, they have nothing at all to do with the Clip Joints besides the designer... It says Fulton's because they're designed by Brad Fulton. They aren't a V2 of anything.

Notice me using the words "like," meaning they'll be similar to the Fulton's, but not identical. I can't wait for them to be released!

[Evan]

Based on the pictures, they'll be like a v2 of the Fulton's I really like the pictures so far. I just fell in love with it when I saw the pictures. It would be epic if they did a cultural theme when printing these Fultons.

Um, they have nothing at all to do with the Clip Joints besides the designer... It says Fulton's because they're designed by Brad Fulton. They aren't a V2 of anything.

Notice me using the words "like," meaning they'll be similar to the Fulton's, but not identical. I can't wait for them to be released!

They aren't similar at all 
The only thing is that they are designed by the same people

[dmbaggs]

Well the Fulton's Clip Joint trailer said "to be continnued..." so they have more in common than just the designer. I think this is the next part of the "series" or whatever you want to call it. It seems way too soon but it still looks to be the next deck in the Fulton's series.

[zaganh]

laughs if dan or dave open that door in the noir video and transport to china town and it goes from black and white to vivid colours it will be so funny and the fultons he had in his pocket is now red and gold

[Don Boyer]

Based on the pictures, they'll be like a v2 of the Fulton's I really like the pictures so far. I just fell in love with it when I saw the pictures. It would be epic if they did a cultural theme when printing these Fultons.

Um, they have nothing at all to do with the Clip Joints besides the designer... It says Fulton's because they're designed by Brad Fulton. They aren't a V2 of anything.

Notice me using the words "like," meaning they'll be similar to the Fulton's, but not identical. I can't wait for them to be released!

They aren't similar at all 
The only thing is that they are designed by the same people

Guys?  We have NO IDEA whether they have anything in common or not, because we haven't seen more than glimpses of the box, never mind not a single card!  They could be ANYTHING at all - you don't know, so stop fussing about it, would you?  Honestly, you're comparing a known quantity with a practically unknown quantity...  Might as well be comparing gibbons to monk fish...

[Evan]

Guys?  We have NO IDEA whether they have anything in common or not, because we haven't seen more than glimpses of the box, never mind not a single card!  They could be ANYTHING at all - you don't know, so stop fussing about it, would you?  Honestly, you're comparing a known quantity with a practically unknown quantity...  Might as well be comparing gibbons to monk fish...

Well... they're both animals  haha
But you are right, these decks have completely different themes, so they could be unrelated at all or could be a series! Only time will tell

[dmbaggs]

Based on the pictures, they'll be like a v2 of the Fulton's I really like the pictures so far. I just fell in love with it when I saw the pictures. It would be epic if they did a cultural theme when printing these Fultons.

Um, they have nothing at all to do with the Clip Joints besides the designer... It says Fulton's because they're designed by Brad Fulton. They aren't a V2 of anything.

Notice me using the words "like," meaning they'll be similar to the Fulton's, but not identical. I can't wait for them to be released!

They aren't similar at all 
The only thing is that they are designed by the same people

Guys?  We have NO IDEA whether they have anything in common or not, because we haven't seen more than glimpses of the box, never mind not a single card!  They could be ANYTHING at all - you don't know, so stop fussing about it, would you?  Honestly, you're comparing a known quantity with a practically unknown quantity...  Might as well be comparing gibbons to monk fish...

That's exactly what this forum is for!! To talk about what we might think is coming...


We have a good idea that these are related to the Fulton's Clip Joint because of the same signature type thing on the box. The trailer from the first Fulton's gave a hint to there being more decks with the "to be continued" at the end of the video.


The Chinatown would go well with the film noir type of theme Dan, Dave, and Fulton are going with. You've got their first deck that has the classic black and white film type of look. To follow that up you have this deck with the Chinatown  deck that has the film noir with a dash of color feel (Keeping in mind Chinatown was the most well known film noir movie with color).

[Don Boyer]

Based on the pictures, they'll be like a v2 of the Fulton's I really like the pictures so far. I just fell in love with it when I saw the pictures. It would be epic if they did a cultural theme when printing these Fultons.

Um, they have nothing at all to do with the Clip Joints besides the designer... It says Fulton's because they're designed by Brad Fulton. They aren't a V2 of anything.

Notice me using the words "like," meaning they'll be similar to the Fulton's, but not identical. I can't wait for them to be released!

They aren't similar at all 
The only thing is that they are designed by the same people

Guys?  We have NO IDEA whether they have anything in common or not, because we haven't seen more than glimpses of the box, never mind not a single card!  They could be ANYTHING at all - you don't know, so stop fussing about it, would you?  Honestly, you're comparing a known quantity with a practically unknown quantity...  Might as well be comparing gibbons to monk fish...

That's exactly what this forum is for!! To talk about what we might think is coming...


We have a good idea that these are related to the Fulton's Clip Joint because of the same signature type thing on the box. The trailer from the first Fulton's gave a hint to there being more decks with the "to be continued" at the end of the video.


The Chinatown would go well with the film noir type of theme Dan, Dave, and Fulton are going with. You've got their first deck that has the classic black and white film type of look. To follow that up you have this deck with the Chinatown  deck that has the film noir with a dash of color feel (Keeping in mind Chinatown was the most well known film noir movie with color).

I know that's what the forum is for, but when you get a couple of people saying "It's this," and "No, it's that," followed with "No, you're wrong, it's this," back and forth, all based completely on sheer speculation, it gets tedious.  Neither one can be thought of as right, because there's too much missing information, but they're talking as though they own a brick of these already and are true experts on the topic of Fulton's decks.

All we really know is this:

The deck box has a red-and-gold Chinatown/Chinese New Year theme, and it has "Fulton's" written on it in the same fashion as it appears on Fulton's Clip Joint decks.

That's about it.  Nothing else, other than the release date being Monday, based on all the hint-dropping.

Could it be another "Fulton's" series deck - Fulton's Noodle Shop, perhaps?    I have no idea and neither does anyone else other than the insiders working at D&D.  As far as the script Fulton's "logo", he doesn't sign everything like that - he developed the D&D hand lotion, and his name on that is type-written, classic Courier style, as if from a manual typewriter.  It actually says it's from "Fulton's Apothecary" - and I was silly enough to check LA listings for a business by that name, obviously to no avail.

So batting around what it is or isn't like a ping-pong ball gets us nowhere and is a pretty pointless exercise.  It's like watching a couple of five-year-olds doing the old "finger a half-inch away, 'He's touching me!,' 'I'm not touching you!'" game.  And it doesn't take long watching that exercise in futility to get tired of it...  No offense to the "combatants" here, gang - we all engage in silliness now and then.

[dmbaggs]

Part of what you say is true. I could have cared less if people continued to do that. Nobody was getting hurt and it really wasn't bothering anybody that much.


Although given the hints we've received and the the other information one can gather related to the topic, I can make an educated guess as to what this deck is. So I still stand by what I said in my last post.

[john]

The Chinatown would go well with the film noir type of theme Dan, Dave, and Fulton are going with. You've got their first deck that has the classic black and white film type of look. To follow that up you have this deck with the Chinatown  deck that has the film noir with a dash of color feel (Keeping in mind Chinatown was the most well known film noir movie with color).

This isn't a Chinatown deck though... It is the year of the dragon deck as brad has hinted at MANY times.

[dmbaggs]

@John that is true! haha it is the year of the dragon deck but it has that Chinatown feel. I guess I messed up there. I still think that is the direction they could be going. But hey I could be wrong!


Everybody thought the new Dan and Dave deck was going to be called "U.S. Regulation Playing Cards" and they ended up being the "Vintage Plaid" deck. So who knows!


I'm just taking my best guys with the puzzle pieces I have

[john]

@John that is true! haha it is the year of the dragon deck but it has that Chinatown feel. I guess I messed up there. I still think that is the direction they could be going. But hey I could be wrong!


Everybody thought the new Dan and Dave deck was going to be called "U.S. Regulation Playing Cards" and they ended up being the "Vintage Plaid" deck. So who knows!


I'm just taking my best guys with the puzzle pieces I have

It is still an epic idea when i play it in my head though, and as others have said this forum is about opinions, and yours was a very creative one .

*In general*

Guys i hope you realize that D&D contact artists to get these designs. As moon_exe and i talked about maybe, and this is a long run, dan and dave are getting all of these requested designs and because they love their money they are just printed them instead of letting them go to waste

[munro159]

I don't really understand what they are trying to do by releasing a new design every month. Although if anyone actually knew how many decks they kept in their warehouse, I would assume E and TH11 still have more decks.  Maybe this is the Buck Twins making a bid to compete with the larger sellers, (although they stock TH11 products).  I hate to be a conspiracy theorist but when you look at the tie-ins between these companies.....TH11 and USPCC are officially working together while D&D stocks TH11 products (I am assuming they have some time of deal worked out)....sounds like we have some alliances being formed...and has anyone noticed Ellusionist is not in the picture with the other 3? Sorry for getting off topic....
 
From what I see so far.....I like this design.  This could be like someone else said though....Tuck box is awesome...cards suck.

[moonexe]

I don't really understand what they are trying to do by releasing a new design every month.

Did you read John's post above? D&D decks are produced by a number of different artists, they only print and sell them.

From what I see so far.....I like this design.  This could be like someone else said though....Tuck box is awesome...cards suck.

Brad Fulton has already proven that he can design a good deck. Look at the Clip Joints. Do you think they're all about the box?

[munro159]

@Moon...If their business model is to produce all of the different designs artists present to them...then we all better buy everything they produce right now because they are going to be out of business.  As to Fulton's designs, I'm not discrediting the guy....I love the FCJ's...but we have only seen 1 design from him.  We haven't seen anything but bits and pieces of this new deck.  If you will notice I said I like the design so far....meaning the whole design could be awesome or not be.  Like Good@Sabacc said, There is no point in arguing over the merrits or flaws of a deck none of us have seen.  Over all...my post questioned the business side of D&D....I was not questioning their value as artists or art promoters.

[zaganh]

well its out tomorow so we will all all know =D i hope the extra cards are not writing and hope somthing cooler as there writing in the fulton and the plaid extra cards and im looking foward to the brickbox too

[moonexe]

@Moon...If their business model is to produce all of the different designs artists present to them...then we all better buy everything they produce right now because they are going to be out of business.  As to Fulton's designs, I'm not discrediting the guy....I love the FCJ's...but we have only seen 1 design from him.  We haven't seen anything but bits and pieces of this new deck.  If you will notice I said I like the design so far....meaning the whole design could be awesome or not be.  Like Good@Sabacc said, There is no point in arguing over the merrits or flaws of a deck none of us have seen.  Over all...my post questioned the business side of D&D....I was not questioning their value as artists or art promoters.

I'm not gonna argue about the design for the reasons that have been brought up before.
As for D&D, my point is that with the decks being produced by different artists, it's not accurate to say that "Dan and Dave" release a deck a month. Alternating between artists allows them to keep the same working time on a deck as if they were releasing one every 3 months with a single artist, for example. Yet people keep arguing that a month is too short, while in reality it can take much more than a month to see two decks from the SAME artist.
I'll have to agree that the S&M series went a bit too far. But for everything else, I personally don't see a problem anywhere.
The fact that they make money out of it doesn't make it a bad thing. They're a business. Should we expect anything else?

[munro159]

I know Dan and Dave are in business to make money....I never disputed that fact in any of my posts. I was questioning their decision to suddenly release a deck a month which I find unusual for them.  I understand you are saying since this is designed by Brad Fulton this is not really Dan and Dave's deck.  I could disagree and say since this is an orginial design promoted and sold on the D&D site..no matter who designed it...it is a D&D deck...but I won't.  I will say I agree with you...this is not such a bad thing with all the new releases.  It keeps these cards from selling out in 24hrs and more people get a chance to enjoy them. Either way I'm looking forward to the release!

[Don Boyer]

Brad Fulton is a long-time collaborator with the Bucks - he's the one who inspired the creation and naming of the "Smoke and Mirrors" series.  I don't know that you could look upon him like a contract artist or something of the sort - he's part of the team.

[Evan]

Brad Fulton tweeted, "Tomorrow Morning we will officially Enter the Dragon. #YearoftheDragon www.dananddave.com"

So that could mean a morning release but I don't know....

[KPopFever605]

Brad Fulton tweeted, "Tomorrow Morning we will officially Enter the Dragon. #YearoftheDragon www.dananddave.com"

So that could mean a morning release but I don't know....

Chances are, I believe it's going to be 8:00 PST - I just have a hunch. As far as pricing goes, I also think that it's going to be the same price as the regular Fulton's - if it's limited it might be a bit more. I'll try to make the release and see if I can get these at my store for pre-order - For all those who want this deck at a lower-than-retail price.

[Evan]

Brad Fulton tweeted, "Tomorrow Morning we will officially Enter the Dragon. #YearoftheDragon www.dananddave.com"

So that could mean a morning release but I don't know....

Chances are, I believe it's going to be 8:00 PST - I just have a hunch. As far as pricing goes, I also think that it's going to be the same price as the regular Fulton's - if it's limited it might be a bit more. I'll try to make the release and see if I can get these at my store for pre-order - For all those who want this deck at a lower-than-retail price.

Its definitely going to be limited.... all D&D's decks are limited so far.

[dmbaggs]

Dan & Dave's last morning release was at 12.00pm PST. So if this indeed is another morning release like Brad's tweet hints at that's the time I would be guessing (even though this is technically the afternoon haha)

[phantom1412]

But since this is new year. It could be a midnight release.
Morning might means the start of the day.

[Evan]

Another pic! Im getting excited! 

[Siegismyname]

So there are 2 colors. This might be the new series cus they hinted something like smoke and dragon

[Don Boyer]

...two colors, or is it simply lying next to a Fulton's Clip Joint deck?

[dmbaggs]

So there are 2 colors. This might be the new series cus they hinted something like smoke and dragon

I'm pretty sure that the Fulton's Clip Joint deck. Could still be a series or may just be since it has the same designer. Who knows? 

[moonexe]

That is indeed a Clip Joints box. It doesn't have the same design guys, chill.
I grabbed my deck to compare as soon as I saw the picture.
 

[john]

So there are 2 colors. This might be the new series cus they hinted something like smoke and dragon

Or you know, that is the Fulton's clip joint box, but why would that be logical, its only the last deck that has Fulton has designed.

[munro159]

I paid for a membership on the Dan and Dave website and we are suppose to get advanced notice of releases.  I just joined so I'm waiting to see just how much advanced notice we get on this release.  It says somewhere on the site we are suppose to get advanced buying opportunities so we shall see....although anyone who is also a member feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this. 
 
Anyway If... and I stress IF...this is a "Fulton's Series" that would be awesome.  I love Film Noire and thats the direction Brad Fulton seems to be going with the FCJ's and maybe with this 2nd release!

[KPopFever605]

Haha! I called it! Resemblance in some way! Although I don't believe it will be in two colors, it's just standing beside a regular Clip Join because the sides are not the same. This dragon deck is just the Siamese Twin of the regular CJ deck.

[Don Boyer]

Chinatown and LA noir stories are practically linked at the hip - it makes perfect sense for this to be a deck in the "Fulton's" series.  What remains to be see are the FREAKIN' CARDS, ALREADY!  We've seen the box enough, thanks - but you aren't selling just boxes for f$#%'s sake.

Excuse my potty mouth.

[Aaron]

Ahhh man just 1 more sleep until they are released

[Don Boyer]

Ahhh man just 1 more sleep until they are released

If they do come out at 8am PST, there's a small chance I'll still be awake when they go on sale.  The pleasures and pitfalls of working overnight...

[Aaron]

Ahhh man just 1 more sleep until they are released

If they do come out at 8am PST, there's a small chance I'll still be awake when they go on sale.  The pleasures and pitfalls of working overnight...

I`m not going to be able to look until after scool and Basketball tommorow night :'( :'( :'(  I may go into a deep depression

[Don Boyer]

Ahhh man just 1 more sleep until they are released

If they do come out at 8am PST, there's a small chance I'll still be awake when they go on sale.  The pleasures and pitfalls of working overnight...

I`m not going to be able to look until after scool and Basketball tommorow night :'( :'( :'(  I may go into a deep depression

"Scool" doesn't seem to be helping much...    Just busting your chops, no offense meant!

I wouldn't sweat this much.  They haven't had a deck sell out since S&M v6 - Fantastique, Clip Joint and Vintage Plaid are all still in stock, so unless they've totally rejiggered their deck production numbers, this deck will be around a little while...

[Aaron]

Ahhh man just 1 more sleep until they are released

If they do come out at 8am PST, there's a small chance I'll still be awake when they go on sale.  The pleasures and pitfalls of working overnight...

I`m not going to be able to look until after scool and Basketball tommorow night :'( :'( :'(  I may go into a deep depression

"Scool" doesn't seem to be helping much...    Just busting your chops, no offense meant!

I wouldn't sweat this much.  They haven't had a deck sell out since S&M v6 - Fantastique, Clip Joint and Vintage Plaid are all still in stock, so unless they've totally rejiggered their deck production numbers, this deck will be around a little while...

  Haha my laptop broke and i am using my dads old one and the H key is very sticky


I guess you have a point there, although the fantastiques are out of stock  

[Don Boyer]

I guess you have a point there, although the fantastiques are out of stock  

How ironic is it that the Fantastique deck is no longer available as an individual purchase, but that they still have Fantastique uncut sheets!?  Which includes a deck of the cards, no less!

Of that entire list of D&D releases, Fantastique is the oldest - on the market for nearly three months.  If it takes them that long to sell out this new deck, you're golden; there should be "a few" left by the time you get home from "scool" and basketball... 

[Aaron]

Well I would guess that the have enough fantastiques to sell until the uncuts run out.   and probably to sell again later as some that they "find in the back room"


But we should probably get this thread back on topic

[dmbaggs]

The good thing is, people can buy this new deck AND the Fulton's Clip Joint all at once! If they want to haha. Get both decks in the series (I'm still thinking that this is the new installment) in one quick swoop 

[Don Boyer]

The good thing is, people can buy this new deck AND the Fulton's Clip Joint all at once! If they want to haha. Get both decks in the series (I'm still thinking that this is the new installment) in one quick swoop 

I'm thinking you're right about this being a "Fulton's" series of some kind.  Could become their next Smoke & Mirrors.

[dmbaggs]

The good thing is, people can buy this new deck AND the Fulton's Clip Joint all at once! If they want to haha. Get both decks in the series (I'm still thinking that this is the new installment) in one quick swoop 

I'm thinking you're right about this being a "Fulton's" series of some kind.  Could become their next Smoke & Mirrors.

Well I guess we find out in a couple hours 


As for now it's just an educated guess. I like the direction they are going with to be honest. (With this "series" not on a whole). The film/lounge noir type of deal and all. It's pretty cool. I grew up watching those type of movies so it's cool to see it played out in cards in a sense.
It's not just a recoloring of one deck over and over and over again. It's almost a story with each deck being the next chapter. They are connected but each deck is unique

[Evan]

Brad Fulton tweeted, "Celebrated #YearoftheDragon tonight w/ @bucktwins in CHINATOWN LOS ANGELES. Brought back memories of my childhood..."

Im guessing 8pm PST

[Evan]

Ah and now we have a confirmed release time!
D&D tweeted, "Come celebrate the #YearoftheDragon with us tonight at 8pm PST. http://www.dananddave.com"

[Don Boyer]

Cool, they'll be available when I start my shift at work tonight!  I'm looking forward to seeing them, but my finances will dictate whether I buy them first day or later this week.

[Evan]

That is a sweet looking AoS! 

[dmbaggs]

That's is pretty sweet looking!! I like how there is such a harsh contrast between color and no color on this. The dragon looks good in black and white. Can't wait to see the rest of it

[moonexe]

My first impression of that ace was pretty bad, but after trying for a while to figure out what the hell was attractive about it... I think I like it too.
Only two hours before the release... I can't wait to see what the back looks like.

[Evan]

The clip joints had that awesome pip thing so I'm excited to see if these will have something special

[Paul Carpenter]

I think that ultimately I'll get a deck of these (and the vintage plaid, sigh) but am not going to go to any extreme measures. I like to study the designs and see how they put the package together, but the last two releases have not had as much draw as some of their other decks.

I'll still bet ya a deck of Tendrils that other than ace and jokers it will be bog standard. They just aren't doing much these days in that regard. Hope they prove me wrong!

[chdmagicdude]

its 8:10 why are they not out yet?

[Evan]

its 8:10 why are they not out yet?

I don't know what time zone you are in but Its 7:15 PST and 10:15 EST right now

[chdmagicdude]

ok so in 45 mins it well be

[chdmagicdude]

9 

minutes

[Evan]

Now available! http://shop.dananddave.com/fultons-chinatown-year-of-the-dragon-playing-cards.html

[Curt]

$8.88 per deck, I would assume that means 8 is good luck in the Chinese culture. I think I will probably pick up one to add to the collection.

Edit: Link to uncut: http://shop.dananddave.com/playing-cards/fultons-chinatown-year-of-the-dragon-playing-cards-uncut-sheet.html

[nimblewitted]

Look nice, but what's up with the spiked price? 8.88 a deck? Seems a bit steep to me...

[dmbaggs]

Yeah a little spendy. I'm not sure what I think yet.


Uncut sheet is available too! http://shop.dananddave.com/playing-cards/fultons-chinatown-year-of-the-dragon-playing-cards-uncut-sheet.html

[Frost]

they should of put dragon heads on the court cards !!

[xela]

Meh.

They're still in stock.

[john]

Only 5k decks, or so they say .

[Gunshy1]

nope. major pass. a deck with the same durability issues as the fultons (as much as i love them they break down hella fast). AND its priced at 8.88. oooooooooooooo and i forgot standard court cards?

so im paying 8.88 for a deck with a theme. ya that's bullshit. im not really complaining so much about the cards, but that the cards are over priced for very little custom work.   

[Derek]

"and are packaged in the most beautiful box ever produced."
[/color]
[/color]WHAT HUH YEAH WHAT?

[zaganh]

i got 25 decks =D shipping was so cheap ^^

[Billywiz]

Anyone else having problems ordering this deck? keeps telling me there a shipping problem?

[zaganh]

look how much shi[pping was for me

Fulton's Chinatown CHINATOWN 25 $222.00

Subtotal                    [/t][/t]  $222.00                        Shipping & Handling                    [/t]  $13.00                        Discount (12+ Decks - 15% Off)                    [/t]  -$33.30                        Tax            [/t] $0.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Store Credit    [/t] -$1.70    Grand Total [/t]  $0.00    Bucks Earned[/t] 9 Bucks

[Evan]

I got 6 decks and my dad got 6 too
I wish I could get more because only 5000 of them
Also, $8.88 is because 8 is good luck
And there are a lot of people not being able to checkout because of a shipping problem

[john]

Dan and dave must want these things to sell out quick. Anything less then 4 decks in your cart a shipping option isn't available, anything 4 or above shipping is available.

[Frost]

i'm going to pass i heard Fulton's aren't durable   

[nimblewitted]

Anyone else having problems ordering this deck? keeps telling me there a shipping problem?

I was having that issue as well--try purchasing from a different browser.

[Billywiz]

Well I guess if they wont open up the shipping for two decks, then I'll pass on these.

[zaganh]

wait arnt they in custom brick boxes >< ?

[dmbaggs]

wait arnt they in custom brick boxes >< ?

I don't think so...

[john]

I am assuming anyone who got really cheap shipping will have to pay more because the over priced shipping is back again.

[zaganh]

thats crazy plaid gets a custom brick box but these dont it would of been one of my favouret brick boxes ><

[danktrees]

what happened to the shipping i was gonna order but the shipping went from 14 to 45. im not paying that much, zag you wanna sell me some of yours?

[Billywiz]

The site will now allow you to order less than four decks, I just ordered two. Shipping problem seems to have been corrected.

[Atheosile]

I did not have any problems with the site, nor the S&H prices. I picked up a brick of them and a uncut sheet!! Sooooo stoked!!!

[vmagic]

look how much shi[pping was for me

Fulton's Chinatown CHINATOWN 25 $222.00

Subtotal                    [/t][/t]  $222.00                        Shipping & Handling                    [/t]  $13.00                        Discount (12+ Decks - 15% Off)                    [/t]  -$33.30                        Tax            [/t] $0.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Store Credit    [/t] -$1.70    Grand Total [/t]  $0.00    Bucks Earned[/t] 9 Bucks

How did you get so many gift cards and why would you use them all on these cards? Why not save them for future releases?

[Curt]

I ended up picking up a couple to add to my collection. No problems with the checkout. $9 for shipping 2 decks to Canada is average. I am pleased with my purchase.

[john]

I ended up picking up a couple to add to my collection. No problems with the checkout. $9 for shipping 2 decks to Canada is average. I am pleased with my purchase.

I can't believe shipping to Canada is as much as shipping to New Jersey...

[JMMJ]

These are beautiful!

[LauR]

Shipping to Australia is 90 dollars for 2 bricks and an uncut.

[zaganh]

what happened to the shipping i was gonna order but the shipping went from 14 to 45. im not paying that much, zag you wanna sell me some of yours?

i proberbly will when i get them ^^ let me know when your other decks arrive if i sell you some ill give you a little discount i hope your doing well =)

[KPopFever605]

I might pick these up...eventually. These would be great if I could get them for a CNY festival at the end of the week, but without express, I doubt that will happen. Limited to 5000 - they always say that. Even T11'S products have more sell out rate. Ha!

[zaganh]

look how much shi[pping was for me

Fulton's Chinatown CHINATOWN 25 $222.00

Subtotal                    [/t][/t]  $222.00                        Shipping & Handling                    [/t]  $13.00                        Discount (12+ Decks - 15% Off)                    [/t]  -$33.30                        Tax            [/t] $0.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Gift Card (z)    [/t] -$50.00    Store Credit    [/t] -$1.70    Grand Total [/t]  $0.00    Bucks Earned[/t] 9 Bucks

How did you get so many gift cards and why would you use them all on these cards? Why not save them for future releases?

i can only buy in fiftys as i only use paypal to pay so i payed for 4 gift cards i was going to get 16 china decks and 6 plaid but i love the desighn and saw shipping was low so i got 2 bricks and one deck to use i was going to leave 1 brick sealed and open 1 and give my fiance a deck or more i mostly admire decks i have alot of decks and i only ever use the same v6 i had since they came out and she will just use that 1 deck for card games so i was going to leave them sitting on my shelf untouched for quite a while but they dont come in a custom brick box wich i find highly strange im really anoyed theres no custom brick box so ill have to open two of my variety boxes and fill them with them i wanted to buy an empty variety box but i would of had to spend another 50 it really anoying if im a cent over 50 i have to spend another 50 when theres another realease ill have to buy more gift cards how ever many i think need

this release is rather strange first showing the box only mostly then no custom brick box and the price 8 88 the shipping changing any way another beautifull set of cards to add to the colection i feel im left confused haha

when will these ship it took ages for the fultons how fast did the plaid come after they were released ?

[zaganh]

i asked brad fulton why theres no brick box and he said ( @zaganh @bucktwins good question. Sad but true . We designed one. The limited size print run of this deck wouldn't allow us to print it. @zaganh @bucktwins I'm more upset than you about it but it is out of our hands. We all wanted it. The realities of printing business.)

it sounds like these are really limited they wouldnt of sent such beautifull cards in a white plain brick box for no reason it maybe it exsplains the price too

[Masque]

Hey, look at that custom… face.


A Chinese theme with French court cards.  C'mon, guys….

[moonexe]

A Chinese theme with French court cards.  C'mon, guys….

This.
The deck looks nice, the box is awesome, but it lacks customization on the faces and it's really overpriced. Limited? Cool story. Maybe next time.

[Aaron]

Didnt get any, Im not a huge fan of them and I am running low on funds to buy decks     so I have only been buying deks I really like lately, also I don`t like how many decks D&D have been releasing lately that are "Limited"

[Don Boyer]

I got 6 decks and my dad got 6 too
I wish I could get more because only 5000 of them
Also, $8.88 is because 8 is good luck
And there are a lot of people not being able to checkout because of a shipping problem

So - you got your dad hooked on custom decks!  Good job!

I like the box and the back, the Ace of Spades is cool - but I'm still annoyed at the minimal customization beyond that.  I only ordered three, period.

Didnt get any, Im not a huge fan of them and I am running low on funds to buy decks     so I have only been buying deks I really like lately, also I don`t like how many decks D&D have been releasing lately that are "Limited"

Dude - EVERY SINGLE DECK they ever made is a "limited edition" deck.  It seems only E is not going crazy with the limited issues all the time.  It feels nice to know that a year from now I'll still be able to buy 1800's or Infinity decks.  At least this time, the Bucks actually released the amount of decks printed - I believe this is a first for them.  In the past, they've been evasive or vague, never a precise number.

i asked brad fulton why theres no brick box and he said ( @zaganh @bucktwins good question. Sad but true . We designed one. The limited size print run of this deck wouldn't allow us to print it. @zaganh @bucktwins I'm more upset than you about it but it is out of our hands. We all wanted it. The realities of printing business.)

it sounds like these are really limited they wouldnt of sent such beautifull cards in a white plain brick box for no reason it maybe it exsplains the price too

So, to reverse engineer that statement - they made MORE THAN 5,000 DECKS of S&M v6, Fulton's Clip Joint and the Vintage Plaids!  If 5K wasn't enough for custom brick boxes, perhaps 10K was...  Either that or Fulton's tweet is off-base.  But it does tell us just how "rare" some of these decks really are.

Fantastique didn't have a custom brick box, and it's sold out, finally - on the market since Halloween.  I'm guessing it had a short print run, but maybe not as short as the Chinatown deck.  It was certainly shorter than the decks I mentioned above that got the custom bricks.

[zaganh]

they also said why there not more chinese customization in the deck on there facebook

Dan and Dave Andrej: You bring up a good point in regard to "Chinese Designs" on alternate cards. I chose not to go that route for good reason. These cards celebrate Chinatown and my love of the Chinese New Year as an American within a genre. They are not an expression of beautiful Chinese History etc (which i love and respect) but rather my personal journey of a very special place, and "state of mind" (as Robert Towne might say...).
 Hope that explains my design route and I appreciate you bringing that up actually.
 -Fulton.

[Don Boyer]

they also said why there not more chinese customization in the deck on there facebook

Dan and Dave Andrej: You bring up a good point in regard to "Chinese Designs" on alternate cards. I chose not to go that route for good reason. These cards celebrate Chinatown and my love of the Chinese New Year as an American within a genre. They are not an expression of beautiful Chinese History etc (which i love and respect) but rather my personal journey of a very special place, and "state of mind" (as Robert Towne might say...).
 Hope that explains my design route and I appreciate you bringing that up actually.
 -Fulton.

That doesn't sound like a terribly strong argument to me.  No one said he had to bring up thousands of years of Chinese history in order to make a deck based on a part of LA that's been in existence for less than a century.  He could have gone the extra step, really got into the place, taken cues from iconic landmarks and popular shops, from the garments worn by the residents, from damn near anything having some significance to Chinatown, LA.

Instead, he made a deck back that looks like the back of a Chinese menu and exactly three custom cards (including both IDENTICAL jokers) besides the ad/gaff cards.  Flashes of gold in the red suits, the bare minimum, would have made this deck more visually interesting and required ZERO experience of Chinese culture beyond what he already displayed in the deck box and card back designs.

It was lazy design, in my opinion.  What he did, he did well, but he didn't do much of it.  He names the deck after a part of LA that he loves, but shows little research behind it other than what he's seen first hand since childhood during the Chinese New Year celebrations.  He indulges in his childhood reverie, we get a near-totally boring, practically uncustomized deck as a result.  Super.

Would it have been so hard to, for example, find out what the Chinese character is for luck and include it in gold inside just ONE of the red pips on each red-suit card?  (Hell, maybe even in one black pip on the black-suit cards as well.)  It would have so perfectly gelled with the Fulton's design without being a straight imitation/recoloration.

I'm losing interest in D&D's cards more and more by the day.

[TigerKnee]

I'm a bit annoyed by the hike in price.  $8.88?  Come on now.  This hobby is starting to get a little ridiculous.

[Paul Carpenter]

Say it with me everyone! Meeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh. (I'm going to go off on my personal-rant again, the same one from like 2 weeks ago when the vintage plaid were released. At this rate D&D will release about 25 decks this year.)

As people have said, a nice back but everything else as standard as you can get. Boring boring boring unimaginative boring lazy. Sorry, D&D are putting out a LOT of cards because they know people will buy. I really feel that if they were first and foremost concerned with the art of playing cards they would be doing a little more exploration of new ideas. Since they have designed many decks already, they have all the design files for these decks. All they are doing is art for the 3-4 cards. Everything else is done, minus the slightest of tweaking. Conceivably in a few days you could have a "new amazing deck" that you shoot off to USPCC and get priority printing for.

And the price, plus shipping is just too high. $14 for one deck! Compare to the fully customized labors of love like Vortex or my Tendril deck, which on Kickstarter if you subtract shipping are like $5-6. I just don't see the value proposition on the China cards. "8.88" is conveniently on their theme and also nicely hikes profit for the gold and embossing....

I guess what I want to say is I hope collectors can support the independent folks that are trying the new things, as it's quite clear that (perhaps with the exception of some Ellusionist work) the big guys are content to pump out deck after deck of nice, but lazy, work.

[chdmagicdude]

i got 5 decks and a uncut sheet

[dmbaggs]

After giving it a day to think about it, I'm not the biggest fan of this deck but I do like certain aspects to it. I like the backs and the box and the AoS. Those are all great aspects but the rest is sort of boring. It's not awful it's just not great. I would have liked to see all custom work but that just didn't happen. Another part of me likes that this has that classic feel to it with the standard (Recolored) courts. Sure it may be"lazy" but I do think it looks uniform/snazzy.


It may sound like I'm contradicting myself. I'm not crazy about the rest of the card but I do like the classy look it has with the gold and red color scheme. I would have loved all custom stuff but that wasn't going to happen.


Overall I'm not a huge fan of the deck. Will I pick it up? ....yeah probably, but only one or two decks. I want it for the connection it has to the FCJs.

[Masque]

...I like the backs and the box and the AoS.

Yeah. I like the custom parts of custom decks, too. I look forward to D&D budgeting for a full deck… though when they're already charging $9 for a deck, and almost enough in shipping that I'd expect *that* to be done in a custom metallic-ink box, I hate to think of how much such a deck would cost.

[Evan]

...I like the backs and the box and the AoS.

Yeah. I like the custom parts of custom decks, too. I look forward to D&D budgeting for a full deck… though when they're already charging $9 for a deck, and almost enough in shipping that I'd expect *that* to be done in a custom metallic-ink box, I hate to think of how much such a deck would cost.

Well the price was because 8 is a lucky number in chinese culture.

[Siegismyname]

Sometimes I don't think too much customization of a deck is good. Think of it this way. The only difference between our standard bikes, tallys and bees are the jokers, backs and AoS. So most of us perform with these cards and no one suspects a thing. So if we were to follow these tradition and only customize these 3 aspects of the deck, it would be great for performers. Sure it cost 8 times more for these as compared to the standard bees, bikes or tallys. But these are a limited run. Too much customization of a deck might cause the suspicion of the spectator but in the eyes of artist and collectors they are more awesome. It all comes down to what you are more of, a collector, artist or performer.

As a Chinese, I reckon this deck very suitable for the chinese new year occasion. The standard court cards and pips would also be suitable for use when we get together and gamble. I would definetly pick up one or two.

[dmbaggs]

...I like the backs and the box and the AoS.

Yeah. I like the custom parts of custom decks, too. I look forward to D&D budgeting for a full deck… though when they're already charging $9 for a deck, and almost enough in shipping that I'd expect *that* to be done in a custom metallic-ink box, I hate to think of how much such a deck would cost.

haha well played @masque. Although I'm not a fan of the jokers so I don't like all the custom parts. The rest looks good though.


@magicaddictz we understand why it's priced that high, but it still seems ridiculous. Next thing you know there's gonna be decks inspired by events in 1999 and they'll charge $19.99 for it. It's a silly way to price a deck, in my opinion.

[Evan]

@magicaddictz we understand why it's priced that high, but it still seems ridiculous. Next thing you know there's gonna be decks inspired by events in 1999 and they'll charge $19.99 for it. It's a silly way to price a deck, in my opinion.

But it does go with the theme! And the price is high but its nothing ridiculous. $19.99 would be crazy by $8.88 isn't horrible

[Masque]

And the price is high but its nothing ridiculous. $19.99 would be crazy by $8.88 isn't horrible

Remember that not everyone buys a brick at a time. What if you only want one deck?

I am not suggesting that the deck is overpriced. I am suggesting that the true cost of one deck is not $8.88, and their choice to handle fulfillment in-house means it's actually cheaper for me to buy things from individuals, who use full-retail-price services from FedEx or USPS or UPS, than it is to buy things straight from this company whose entire business comes from shipping products.

You can build your profit into your product's price, or you can build it into the bundled services that your product requires.  In either case, the total is higher than either one, and this should not be overlooked.

[dmbaggs]

That's true but isn't the shipping standard between 1-6 decks (and maybe more). I looked what shipping would be for 1,2,4, and 6 decks and it's $6.00 bucks for all. So if you think about it how you are with the shipping adding to the price of the deck than the more you buy the less it is. For 6 decks I'm paying $1 for shipping on each deck.


Does that make sense? 


* I checked for a brick and the shipping is still $6.00 so thats 50 cents a deck shipping

[Evan]

I ordered a brick of them and shipping was $6
I was really surprised by the price! Its usually much more than that

[dmbaggs]

I ordered a brick of them and shipping was $6
I was really surprised by the price! Its usually much more than that

Yeah I guess the shipping is good/bad depending on how many you order. It could be incentive to order a couple more deck. *shoulder shrug*

[john]

*I wont make a new topic for this until we know more then 1 sentence*

https://twitter.com/#!/Ellusionist/status/162028709006675968

"Look out Chinatown Team Ellusionist is coming."

What would this mean 

[phantom1412]

Actually I think the deck cost 8.88$ because the shipping is included in that price.
Because, when I ordered them, I change the decks from range 6-12 decks and the shipping price didn't change.

And this might be the reason of the minimum 4 decks as well, if you buy 4 decks that means you have around 8$ for shipping. But, for 3 or less, the shipping that included in the deck price isn't enough.

[KPopFever605]

*I wont make a new topic for this until we know more then 1 sentence*

https://twitter.com/#!/Ellusionist/status/162028709006675968

"Look out Chinatown Team Ellusionist is coming."

What would this mean 

It means more money out of our pockets into theirs. Also, it's more enthusiasts celebrating the Asian culture. Yay!   - By the looks of it, you'd can probably guess that I'm Asian, and yes I cam

I ordered a brick of them and shipping was $6
I was really surprised by the price! Its usually much more than that

Yeah I guess the shipping is good/bad depending on how many you order. It could be incentive to order a couple more deck. *shoulder shrug*

I think their catching the T11 Flu - they are doing the same thing too! I even mentioned it on one of my past threads.

[Aaron]

*I wont make a new topic for this until we know more then 1 sentence*

https://twitter.com/#!/Ellusionist/status/162028709006675968

"Look out Chinatown Team Ellusionist is coming."

What would this mean 

I dont think it is a deck because E is having their annual meetings this week and have been posting alot to FB I bet they are going to whatever town they are ins Chinatown

[Masque]

...when I ordered them, I change the decks from range 6-12 decks and the shipping price didn't change.

And this might be the reason of the minimum 4 decks as well, if you buy 4 decks that means you have around 8$ for shipping. But, for 3 or less, the shipping that included in the deck price isn't enough.

There was a problem with their site when they launched this deck. The 4 deck minimum and low shipping was a bug. A brick now costs $15 again, and 4 decks will still cost you $9.


Per deck including the least-expensive domestic shipping:


Fulton's Chinese New Year:
1 deck: $14.88
3 decks (5% off!): $11.10
6 decks (10% off!): $9.83
12 decks (15% off!): $8.79
144 decks (still 15%): $7.97



Okay, $8/deck shipped to your door seems very reasonable.  That's even a little less than Kickstarter prices!  Well, for one deck, anyway. But then you have 143 other decks to deal with. And if you're going to compare best-case prices… then let's compare to a fully custom deck:


144 Vortex decks, shipped, during kickstarter: $6.94
144 Vortex decks, shipped, during final Vortex sale (and due to the reseller package discount, you also end up with two uncut sheets!): $8.11
144 Revision One/Brimstone decks, from circlecitycards.com today: $5.10
1 Revision One or Brimstone deck, from Circle City today: $11.


Circle City charges you $3 for shipping one deck. Alex charges you $6.75, which is $0.75 more than D&D, but once you hit two decks Alex starts charging you less.  Ellusionist for a single deck offers you $6.70 for priority or $3.27 for "SuperSaver USPS". And in these three cases, only the Vortex deck costs more to start with, coming in at twelve cents more for a one-man operation with fully custom faces. And I highly doubt Circle City or Alex have streamlined their shipping methods and processes in the same way that D&D, Ellusionist, and T11 surely must have.


Feels like beating a dead horse at this point, so I'll stop. My point is that, unless you're a wholesale customer, this is a mighty expensive deck for three custom cards, a nice back, and a nice box. It is a VERY nice box, and a very nice back, and what custom faces were done are great!


Buy what you want, and what you like, but always be realistic about the costs involved.

[Don Boyer]

I'm a bit annoyed by the hike in price.  $8.88?  Come on now.  This hobby is starting to get a little ridiculous.

STARTING ? ? ?  This is a luxury hobby to begin with, my friend! 

Sometimes I don't think too much customization of a deck is good. Think of it this way. The only difference between our standard bikes, tallys and bees are the jokers, backs and AoS. So most of us perform with these cards and no one suspects a thing. So if we were to follow these tradition and only customize these 3 aspects of the deck, it would be great for performers. Sure it cost 8 times more for these as compared to the standard bees, bikes or tallys. But these are a limited run. Too much customization of a deck might cause the suspicion of the spectator but in the eyes of artist and collectors they are more awesome. It all comes down to what you are more of, a collector, artist or performer.

As a Chinese, I reckon this deck very suitable for the chinese new year occasion. The standard court cards and pips would also be suitable for use when we get together and gamble. I would definetly pick up one or two.

There are big differences between Bicycle, Bee and Tally Ho - stock and performance.  Bicycle is the largest selling brand in the world, Bee is the most popular casino brand in the US if not the world, and Tally Ho is actually not very common - outside of magic shops and online retailers, Tally Ho is a regional brand sold only within New York City.  They were more popular once, but they're more expensive compared to Bikes and consumers by and large usually go for what's cheaper rather than what's better (hence why Betamax failed as a consumer format, but succeeded as a format for local TV stations).

There's no reason to suspect any brand more and any other.  And honestly, more gaffs and rigged decks come in the Bicycle Rider Back than any other format today!  I'd be leery of anyone bringing a pack of Bikes to my card table these days!    As long as the design isn't something utterly outlandish, people have no more or less reason to suspect any deck more than they would (or should) suspect a pack of Bikes.

@magicaddictz we understand why it's priced that high, but it still seems ridiculous. Next thing you know there's gonna be decks inspired by events in 1999 and they'll charge $19.99 for it. It's a silly way to price a deck, in my opinion.

But it does go with the theme! And the price is high but its nothing ridiculous. $19.99 would be crazy by $8.88 isn't horrible

There's precedent for this sort of thing in Asian cultures.  Countless Chinese couples attempted to have a child that would be born on August 8th, 1988, and again on August 8th, 2008.  Pricing an object with lucky numbers like that actually makes them more desirable in many Asian cultures - given a choice between paying $7.99 or $8.88 for a given product, they'd rather pay the $8.88 for the luck they believe it would bring them.

And the price is high but its nothing ridiculous. $19.99 would be crazy by $8.88 isn't horrible

Remember that not everyone buys a brick at a time. What if you only want one deck?

You buy it from an after-market retailer.  Unless the deck's a rapid sell-out, they'll carry it for the same price as D&D, since it makes no sense to sell it for more, and they'll probably charge less than D&D in shipping.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this deck selling at BMPokerWorld or the1eyedjack for $8.88 in a week or two.

*I wont make a new topic for this until we know more then 1 sentence*

https://twitter.com/#!/Ellusionist/status/162028709006675968

"Look out Chinatown Team Ellusionist is coming."

What would this mean 

Simple - Ellusionist has some kind of "blow 'em outta the water" project waiting in the wings.  Probably a new deck, though it could be something else.  Maybe Pure Smoke color cartridges are finally coming out!

[Evan]

*I wont make a new topic for this until we know more then 1 sentence*

https://twitter.com/#!/Ellusionist/status/162028709006675968

"Look out Chinatown Team Ellusionist is coming."

What would this mean 

There is a big E team meeting right now in California and they're going to Chinatown... simple as that

[K]

I'm a bit annoyed by the hike in price.  $8.88?  Come on now.  This hobby is starting to get a little ridiculous.

for the chinese, 8 is considered an auspicious number therefore the price.. that is what i think anyway..

[Gunshy1]

ok people. raising the price on a deck just because 8 is a lucky number in china doesn't justify how much bull shit it is.

im not trying to troll this thread by any means. i am just bewildered by people being ok with the price. if the deck was revolutionary then yes it would make sense, but it is very far from it.

[K]

ok people. raising the price on a deck just because 8 is a lucky number in china doesn't justify how much bull shit it is.

im not trying to troll this thread by any means. i am just bewildered by people being ok with the price. if the deck was revolutionary then yes it would make sense, but it is very far from it.

i agree, raising the price for this isn't justified. If it was for the first Fulton's perhaps its reasonable due to the amount of customization.

[jriffel]

"Bicycle is the largest selling brand in the world, Bee is the most popular casino brand in the US if not the world, and Tally Ho is actually not very common - outside of magic shops and online retailers, Tally Ho is a regional brand sold only within New York City." 

Excuse me.......  Let's get a couple of things straight.  1) Bicycle is not the largest selling brand of playing cards in the world.  If you include all of the USPCC and Jardan corp, than yes the conglomeration is the largest selling in the world.  But, not Bicycle alone.   2) Tally Ho is not sold only in New York CIty.  There are plenty of sales of Tally Ho decks in many locations in these United States.

[munro159]

While I agree....using $8.88 because of its significane in Chinese culture is not a good excuse for overpricing a deck of cards....to me the thing that doesn't make sense is DandD's shipping.  I bought a brick of these and was charged $8.00 shipping in the US.  When my "Bucks" cleared off of that sale, I was going to purchase 4 decks of the vintage plaid since the "Bucks" would let me buy them at a discount (plus I'm a member so I already get %15 off).  They were going to charge me $12.00 to ship 4 decks when they charged me $8.00 to ship a brick. Needless to say I canceled the vintage plaid order.  As someone who occasionally sells on ebay, does it seem to anyone else thay charge outrageous pricing on their shipping.  Even using flat rate boxes they should be able to ship 6 decks for around $6.00 in the US.
 
Back on topic.....I really like this series so far.  The thing that maybe throws this series off IMO is the overpricing of the Chinatown decks and their high shipping rates!

[Don Boyer]

"Bicycle is the largest selling brand in the world, Bee is the most popular casino brand in the US if not the world, and Tally Ho is actually not very common - outside of magic shops and online retailers, Tally Ho is a regional brand sold only within New York City." 

Excuse me.......  Let's get a couple of things straight.  1) Bicycle is not the largest selling brand of playing cards in the world.  If you include all of the USPCC and Jardan corp, than yes the conglomeration is the largest selling in the world.  But, not Bicycle alone.   2) Tally Ho is not sold only in New York CIty.  There are plenty of sales of Tally Ho decks in many locations in these United States.

Bicycle is the largest if you cover ALL the decks made under the Bicycle name - and there are many.


Aside from a magic shop/specialty retailer, where outside of New York City or even the its Tri-State area have you seen Tally Ho?  Because it's the USPC themselves that consider Tally Ho a regional brand, that region being New York City, period.  It's similar to how I can get Mavericks all over the place in North Carolina, while they're pretty much non-existant in my area, or how I rarely see a Streamline deck outside of Wal-Mart.  I've actually spoken with Bill Schildman in their Sales Department about this - I helped him with tracking down counterfeit Bee playing cards selling at dollar stores in my area.

It's not impossible that you saw a few stray decks selling elsewhere, but USPC targets only NYC for retail sales of Tally Ho decks in brick-and-mortar stores.  Magic retailers request them, but otherwise the brand has become far less popular than it was at its heyday, owning largely to the fact that retail Bikes and Bees are cheaper.  Mr. Schildman mentioned that the large nationwide retail chains, pharmacy chains, etc. only want to carry nationally-recognized brands, and Tally Ho no longer fits that description, so there's no demand from them.  I travel a little and have yet to see Tally Ho at retail outside of either New York, the Internet or a magic shop.

[nimblewitted]

Got mine in today--I have to say, I'm unimpressed. I feel like the two colors on the backs aren't contrasting enough that it almost looks blurry. I wish Fulton would have outlined the dragon with some white borders or something to break up the drawings from the bright-red/almost orangish background. Once again, I feel like the site's images duped me into thinking they looked better than they actually are.

[Billywiz]

Got mine in today--I have to say, I'm unimpressed. I feel like the two colors on the backs aren't contrasting enough that it almost looks blurry. I wish Fulton would have outlined the dragon with some white borders or something to break up the drawings from the bright-red/almost orangish background. Once again, I feel like the site's images duped me into thinking they looked better than they actually are.

Whats the handling like with this deck? Are they the same as the Clip Joint deck?

[moonexe]

Looks like this deck is more disappointing with every news...
Though I have to say, it's not really that bad, it's really more about the price. If the price matched the quality of the deck, I'd be more tempted to buy it.

[LauR]

For $8.88 they could have at least used metallic ink

[Aaron]

Wow a "limited" deck printed at 5000 isnt sold out after a week from a Bigger Name Company

[Evan]

Wow a "limited" deck printed at 5000 isnt sold out after a week from a Bigger Name Company

Thats probably because they've been printing so many decks! People love their decks but not so many at one time because it makes it hard to afford. And probably not everyone likes the theme.

[Don Boyer]

This theme could have been much better executed, but it wasn't.  It's a decent-handling deck, but they blew some many opportunities to make this deck a real big-deal deck.  It doesn't even look like the back of a Chinese restaurant menu, as I stated before - it looks like the back of a counterfeit copy of a Chinese restaurant menu, or maybe a menu from a "comidas chinas" Chinese/Hispanic fast food take-out joint.  (You'd be surprised how many of those exist in New York...)

I'm glad I didn't buy more than three, and I don't plan on buying any additional decks.  When these wear out, I'm done with them.

While I can't argue with the quality of the cards (yet), the design is very disappointing.  There's a lot of wasted potential.

[zaganh]

i found this little coment to dan and dave hilarious

Shane Carter Just an FYI I posted that very ace of spades found inside Fultons deck of my own design on theory11s forums in 2008! Not happy!!

Dan and Dave Shane, there are several Chinese-Dragon themed decks on the market. We looked at each one as examples of what NOT to do. Although we have not seen your Ace design we find it hard to believe that it's anything close to what Brad Fulton conceived. Can you please post a link? Thanks.
Shane Carter (put another coment then delted it)

Dan and Dave Resemblance?

[dmbaggs]

So did they rip him off? I'm confused...

[zaganh]

So did they rip him off? I'm confused...

i have no idea i just saw the comments now thats all they were maybe he put more and delted them im not sure i doubt it i cant see brad fulton or dan and dave going through forums from 2008 looking for dragons haha a team who desighned somthing as amazing as the smoke and mirrors and clip joints wouldnt cut corners on a dragon i dont beleave the guy maybe he wants some free chinatown decks

[Siegismyname]

I googled and found this.

http://forums.theory11.com/album.php?albumid=73

It does have a certain resemblance. But I think the Chinatowns are more elaborate.

[Don Boyer]

I googled and found this.

http://forums.theory11.com/album.php?albumid=73

It does have a certain resemblance. But I think the Chinatowns are more elaborate.

They bear a resemblance in that they're both aces, and they both have a dragon.  Beyond that...


The Chinatown Ace of Spades is definitely the better of the two.  Finally, something nice to say about the Chinatown deck!

BTW: anyone get this deck and the Vintage Plaids?  The orange used on the red suits is IDENTICAL to the orange shade of red in the Vintage Plaid decks.  Aside from the yellowed background on the VPs, most of the cards are practically the same.

[Evan]

Good find Good@Sabacc!
Looks like D&D are getting lazier

[Don Boyer]

Good find Good@Sabacc!
Looks like D&D are getting lazier

It goes further - take the yellow on the VintPlaid and make it non-metallic gold: voila, you have Chinatown courts!


Lazy doesn't even begin to describe it.


At least the VintPlaid decks are traditionally cut and handle well.  I actually compared the FChina to the FCJ - FCJ feels like heavier stock!

[zaganh]

I googled and found this.

http://forums.theory11.com/album.php?albumid=73

It does have a certain resemblance. But I think the Chinatowns are more elaborate.

They bear a resemblance in that they're both aces, and they both have a dragon.  Beyond that...


The Chinatown Ace of Spades is definitely the better of the two.  Finally, something nice to say about the Chinatown deck!

BTW: anyone get this deck and the Vintage Plaids?  The orange used on the red suits is IDENTICAL to the orange shade of red in the Vintage Plaid decks.  Aside from the yellowed background on the VPs, most of the cards are practically the same.

i agree his looks like a tatoo nothing like d and ds haha thats awesome i love the tone of orange/red so is the box that colour because people say the box is orange/red do they handle same as clip joints or plaid ?

[Don Boyer]

I googled and found this.

http://forums.theory11.com/album.php?albumid=73

It does have a certain resemblance. But I think the Chinatowns are more elaborate.

They bear a resemblance in that they're both aces, and they both have a dragon.  Beyond that...


The Chinatown Ace of Spades is definitely the better of the two.  Finally, something nice to say about the Chinatown deck!

BTW: anyone get this deck and the Vintage Plaids?  The orange used on the red suits is IDENTICAL to the orange shade of red in the Vintage Plaid decks.  Aside from the yellowed background on the VPs, most of the cards are practically the same.

i agree his looks like a tatoo nothing like d and ds haha thats awesome i love the tone of orange/red so is the box that colour because people say the box is orange/red do they handle same as clip joints or plaid ?

I'm not a big flourisher.  They handle at least as well as Bikes, but they aren't the best I've had.  And the stock does feel lighter the FCJ - which people have already complained doesn't have long-lasting handling (good out of the box, not too much longer than that).  The FChinas I have are not really broken in yet so I can't speak to the long-term characteristics.

[LauR]

Pretty disappointing deck, it's like the monarchs where the box outshines the deck itself.

[phantom1412]

Chinatown decks are finally sold out.
This is a very long 5000 decks-sold out time.

[Evan]

It took 4 months for those 5000 decks to sell out? Thats crazy.

[NathanCanadas]

Chinatown decks are finally sold out.
This is a very long 5000 decks-sold out time.

I can see why. Honestly the deck had nothing very different from what we've seen so far. I like the colors, but there would have been many places for improvement.

[Card Player]

It took 4 months for those 5000 decks to sell out? Thats crazy.

I highly doubt they are really sold out @ $8.88 before the Clip Joints. The Clip Joints were the 1st Fulton edition, The better design and at a better price. It makes no sense. Unless its because of international sales.

[phantom1412]

The Chinatown deck is just 5000 deck print run.
Clip joints are printed much more than 5000 decks.

[Card Player]

The Chinatown deck is just 5000 deck print run.
Clip joints are printed much more than 5000 decks.

Is that your guess or is that a fact?

It does not seem plausible that D & D would have printed more then 5000 of an artists first run. Would not a distributor want to insure the demand first before making a large order more then 5000?

Can anyone confirm the number of Clip Joint's printed?

[NathanCanadas]

The Chinatown deck is just 5000 deck print run.
Clip joints are printed much more than 5000 decks.

Is that your guess or is that a fact?

It does not seem plausible that D & D would have printed more then 5000 of an artists first run. Would not a distributor want to insure the demand first before making a large order more then 5000?

Can anyone confirm the number of Clip Joint's printed?

Many Theory11 or Ellusionist deck are artist first runs and still have much more than 5,000 printed. With the amount of followers they have, the could release a deck from toilet paper and still sell more than 5,000.

[phantom1412]

The Chinatown deck is just 5000 deck print run.
Clip joints are printed much more than 5000 decks.

Is that your guess or is that a fact?

It does not seem plausible that D & D would have printed more then 5000 of an artists first run. Would not a distributor want to insure the demand first before making a large order more then 5000?

Can anyone confirm the number of Clip Joint's printed?

It's not my guess. Its a fact.
I don't know how many the printed the clip joints.
But for decks that come with custom brick box is more than 5000 decks print run.
Syd told me when I asked him about Chinatown's custom brick box.

[Don Boyer]

The Chinatown deck is just 5000 deck print run.
Clip joints are printed much more than 5000 decks.

Is that your guess or is that a fact?

It does not seem plausible that D & D would have printed more then 5000 of an artists first run. Would not a distributor want to insure the demand first before making a large order more then 5000?

Can anyone confirm the number of Clip Joint's printed?

It's not my guess. Its a fact.
I don't know how many the printed the clip joints.
But for decks that come with custom brick box is more than 5000 decks print run.
Syd told me when I asked him about Chinatown's custom brick box.

While Dan and Dave tend to be secretive about how many decks they produce of any particular design, they commonly order between 20k and 30k.  The Fulton's Chinatown was a big exception to that - not only did they make a shorter run, but for the first time they actually stated how many decks were made.  I get the feeling they were not expecting the deck glut they were left with around the start of the year.  They may have thought that since they're previous decks (S&M 1-6 and MagicCon v1) sold so well, they could print practically anything and it would sell.

Four months for them to sell only 5k decks is probably a new low for them.  Notice how right around the end of the glut they announced S&M v7 would be coming soon?  They needed to generate positive publicity for themselves.