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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2012, 02:49:20 PM »
 

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I agree with your points. The colored joker, the xx11 first four digits, the N code, the KY guarantee - obviously 2011 Erlanger cards. And pretty clearly just an old-stock box. Pretty strange.

So to me what this says is that even though the old 808 UPC became the 'Standard' deck, the 807 UPC carried on the traditional Rider Back box not just through the OH->KY transition, but up through now. And now that the stock of 807-R-TG boxes is depleted, they have printed a new 807 box, as seen in the first post in this thread.

And that, my friends, is interesting.

Anyhow, now that I've exhausted my local supplies of 807s, we'll see what they restock with...


I'm looking forward to hear the next development in this mystery...  :)  And I still want to see that 2011 classic-style box in my local shops!
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2012, 07:13:23 PM »
 

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How about this. I went to check Walmart and Target to see if by chance we had any of these and I noticed a stack of standard bikes both Red and Blue, but the tear strip said 125th Anniversary Collectors Set. I'm guessing these were supposed to be used with the 2pack sets? I didn't see any of the actual 125th versions anywhere as individual packs or any more of the 2pack sets.
 

Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2012, 11:47:18 PM »
 

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There was a set for the 125th anniversary decks that included Rider Backs - these decks were either separated from the sets or the extra tear strips left over from those sets were used up on these ordinary Bikes.
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2012, 01:05:06 AM »
 

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So I never got an email back I will see if I ever do. I think it is a little odd that all these new boxes are coming out.
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2012, 11:43:30 AM »
 

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So I never got an email back I will see if I ever do. I think it is a little odd that all these new boxes are coming out.


USPC relocated an entire factory and all the supplies to another state.  They're probably still cracking open boxes of the supplies hauled in from Ohio.  They're turning up now because to get the Kentucky factory going, they had to purchase new supplies first for them before getting the Ohio stuff trucked in.  At least that's my educated guess.  These kinds of things happen more often than you'd think.
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2012, 12:21:53 PM »
 

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How about this. I went to check Walmart and Target to see if by chance we had any of these and I noticed a stack of standard bikes both Red and Blue, but the tear strip said 125th Anniversary Collectors Set. I'm guessing these were supposed to be used with the 2pack sets? I didn't see any of the actual 125th versions anywhere as individual packs or any more of the 2pack sets.

Did the Standard decks have 125th Anniversary seals on them? Because the Anniversary 2 deck set that I picked up had a foil-free blue Anniversary deck, and a red Standard with an Anniversary seal. So, I'd guess if the decks you've found have the Anniversary seals, then maybe they're leftover decks.

On this point, does anyone know if there are Anniversary 2 deck sets with red foil-free Anniversary decks or blue Standards with Anniversary seals? I haven't seen any, but that's bearing in mind that I only have access to the limited few pictures that I could find. So, if anyone can tell me if they've seen any 2 deck Anniversary sets with anything other than the blue Anniversary deck and the red Standard, that'd be great. Cheers. :)
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2012, 06:40:22 PM »
 

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How about this. I went to check Walmart and Target to see if by chance we had any of these and I noticed a stack of standard bikes both Red and Blue, but the tear strip said 125th Anniversary Collectors Set. I'm guessing these were supposed to be used with the 2pack sets? I didn't see any of the actual 125th versions anywhere as individual packs or any more of the 2pack sets.

Did the Standard decks have 125th Anniversary seals on them? Because the Anniversary 2 deck set that I picked up had a foil-free blue Anniversary deck, and a red Standard with an Anniversary seal. So, I'd guess if the decks you've found have the Anniversary seals, then maybe they're leftover decks.

On this point, does anyone know if there are Anniversary 2 deck sets with red foil-free Anniversary decks or blue Standards with Anniversary seals? I haven't seen any, but that's bearing in mind that I only have access to the limited few pictures that I could find. So, if anyone can tell me if they've seen any 2 deck Anniversary sets with anything other than the blue Anniversary deck and the red Standard, that'd be great. Cheers. :)


The 125th boxes don't actually have those "125th anniversary" tear strips on them, according to this photo:
http://www.atomicmall.com/view.php?id=886953&mba=0


Maybe only the two-deck standard/125th set did.


This BMPokerWorld eBay auction on ebay.com.sg is for the set, which has a red standard deck
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/BICYCLE-125TH-ANNIVERSARY-SPECIAL-EDT-BOX-PLAYING-CARDS-/250623202816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5a4e9600


This ALSO doesn't have the 125 tear strip described above.  I'm just guessing here, but perhaps they just started using them for regular boxes because the order of tear strips didn't arrive in time for the 125th deck.  Or maybe they did it to heighten awareness of the 125th anniversary itself, which would make sense if the deck was printed and boxed in 2010.

...or maybe Walther is very clever with photo editing software...
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2012, 12:54:35 AM »
 

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it took me digging through my collection, but the 125th single boxes do have the anniversary tear strip.

p.s. do you store your collection vertically or lying down?
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2012, 01:19:35 AM »
 

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it took me digging through my collection, but the 125th single boxes do have the anniversary tear strip.

p.s. do you store your collection vertically or lying down?


Both at different times.  I rotate things around.


Re the tear strips: I linked to photos showing them without.  Only conclusion to draw is they used both interchangeably.
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2012, 10:59:10 AM »
 

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How about this. I went to check Walmart and Target to see if by chance we had any of these and I noticed a stack of standard bikes both Red and Blue, but the tear strip said 125th Anniversary Collectors Set. I'm guessing these were supposed to be used with the 2pack sets? I didn't see any of the actual 125th versions anywhere as individual packs or any more of the 2pack sets.

Did the Standard decks have 125th Anniversary seals on them? Because the Anniversary 2 deck set that I picked up had a foil-free blue Anniversary deck, and a red Standard with an Anniversary seal. So, I'd guess if the decks you've found have the Anniversary seals, then maybe they're leftover decks.
Just a Standard Black Seal. Opened them up to see if the cards were mis-boxed... and guess what? .... Nothing special, just a standard deck. So, it's just the tear strip that was different. I believe it was 2009 on the box. Crap, Now I'll have to check again when I get home tonight. I don't think there's anything special/rare or anything about them, just another Walmart/Target oddity. And now they have boxes with Coupon Code insert cards to purchase more decks. I'll trade you a funky Walmart deck for a funky Target deck ;)

You know, that pic does seem odd/fake now that I look at it again. I just dropped it on my scanner instead of getting out the camera :)
 
Sorry, I really didn't mean to Hi-Jack this thread.....
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2012, 02:26:43 PM »
 

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Just a Standard Black Seal. Opened them up to see if the cards were mis-boxed... and guess what? .... Nothing special, just a standard deck. So, it's just the tear strip that was different. I believe it was 2009 on the box. Crap, Now I'll have to check again when I get home tonight. I don't think there's anything special/rare or anything about them, just another Walmart/Target oddity. And now they have boxes with Coupon Code insert cards to purchase more decks. I'll trade you a funky Walmart deck for a funky Target deck ;)

You know, that pic does seem odd/fake now that I look at it again. I just dropped it on my scanner instead of getting out the camera :)
 
Sorry, I really didn't mean to Hi-Jack this thread.....

Hm. Interesting. I wonder why they've put those tear strips on them? Maybe it's a separate thing to the Anniversary decks - maybe it's just celebrating the actual Anniversary? Although it's a bit late now... I honestly don't know what they're doing.
I wish I lived in the USA so that I could find these funky decks from stores in real life. Instead, I have to find about them second hand from you guys, and if I really want to buy them, I have to pay the inflated prices! Ah, the downsides of living in the UK. :P
Just to clear it up, I don't dislike hearing about these things from you guys. It's really very helpful! ;)

Back on topic, though, I really would like to get some of these 'new 807' decks. Anyone willing to pick up a couple for me and sell them at the price they bought them?
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2012, 09:51:28 PM »
 

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My 125th aniversary decks have the 125th colectors set tear strips.
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2012, 01:38:09 AM »
 

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How about this. I went to check Walmart and Target to see if by chance we had any of these and I noticed a stack of standard bikes both Red and Blue, but the tear strip said 125th Anniversary Collectors Set. I'm guessing these were supposed to be used with the 2pack sets? I didn't see any of the actual 125th versions anywhere as individual packs or any more of the 2pack sets.

Did the Standard decks have 125th Anniversary seals on them? Because the Anniversary 2 deck set that I picked up had a foil-free blue Anniversary deck, and a red Standard with an Anniversary seal. So, I'd guess if the decks you've found have the Anniversary seals, then maybe they're leftover decks.
Just a Standard Black Seal. Opened them up to see if the cards were mis-boxed... and guess what? .... Nothing special, just a standard deck. So, it's just the tear strip that was different. I believe it was 2009 on the box. Crap, Now I'll have to check again when I get home tonight. I don't think there's anything special/rare or anything about them, just another Walmart/Target oddity. And now they have boxes with Coupon Code insert cards to purchase more decks. I'll trade you a funky Walmart deck for a funky Target deck ;)

You know, that pic does seem odd/fake now that I look at it again. I just dropped it on my scanner instead of getting out the camera :)
 
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Walther, the anniversary strips weren't available on any decks until the anniversary - in 2010.

@Lushbob - I would if I could, but my fiancee is getting on my case about international shipments for card trades, owning to the shipping costs.  Sorry, bro.
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2012, 12:05:29 PM »
 

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The date was just the copyright date on the box
Just to complete the info:
Box - Standard Bikes - Black Seal - ©2009
AoS - 1411-N1612H
Ad Cards for - Jacks&Jokers and Royal Felt
From Erlanger, KY

 

Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2012, 03:12:34 AM »
 

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The date was just the copyright date on the box
Just to complete the info:
Box - Standard Bikes - Black Seal - ©2009
AoS - 1411-N1612H
Ad Cards for - Jacks&Jokers and Royal Felt
From Erlanger, KY

The "N" code on the Ace indicates it was manufactured in 2011!  They cobbled together an old box and an old anniversary tear strip, probably leftover supplies they didn't want to waste by simply throwing them away.
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Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2012, 12:57:50 PM »
 

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I'm also 100% sure that the '1411' means 'produced in the 14th week of 2011'.
 

Re: 807-R-TG…version 2?!
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2012, 01:09:06 AM »
 

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Hey I got an email from them today:


The Classic Rider Back is still being manufactured in addition to the Standard Tuck Box.They can be ordered from www.murphysmagic.com It must be specified that you want the 807 (Classic Tuck Box)807-R-TG means that the tuck box was the old code for the Classic - R stands for Rack Tab (means they hang on a peg) and TG means that they were shipped to Target Stores. We had to have two different codes depending on which department in the store they were merchandised. Consumer Relations
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Are 807-R-TG rider backs rare?
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I just ordered 6 rider back decks from an online retailer 3 red and 3 blue in the 'Classic' tuck box. When I got my order and inspected 4 of the decks had the Kentucky trademark. 2 of the red decks are different, they say 807-R-TG on the bottom next to the bar code and have the made in Ohio lettering along the side. I did some research on these cards with little resolution, mostly was just speculation on what the code means. A bunch of online stores sell them as being 'very rare' limited run etc.

So are these decks rare? Should I not open them?
 

Re: Are 807-R-TG rider backs rare?
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2015, 04:36:50 PM »
 

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First of all, precious little of the modern Rider Back line is rare these days.  They were manufactured in the millions of units.

Second, I moved your topic to the Plethora and merged it with a pre-existing topic on the subject.  We reserve A Cellar of Fine Vintages for topics on decks that are at least 20 years old.

Today, USPC still makes and sells the Classic box style, and they call it Bicycle 807.  It's likely because of that barcode and serial number from the older 807-R-TG.  The cards inside are identical in all ways to the cards found in any modern "Standard" style Bicycle Rider Back box, right down to being made in Kentucky.  It was a "gimme" to collectors who preferred the older box style and magicians who have crafted tricks/gimmicks dependent on the older box style (there are many).  While not commonly available, as you've noted you can order them online easily enough (Wingra Direct/shopbicyclecards.com carries them - they're owned by USPC and carry all the current mass-produced stock) and many magic shops and card dealers probably have them around or can order them.  They're probably as hard to find as a late-model pack of Tally Ho.

The 807-R-TG is only rare in the sense that it's no longer in print (well, the box is no longer in print - the cards are another story).  It's unknown exactly how many were made, but as far as I know, it came into use just prior to the shift to Erlanger and the release of the newer "Standard" box design.  It appears to have been mass-produced, making it not too difficult to find - but it's a matter of talking to a retailer who knows what you're looking for, and most won't.  The sticker seal is almost certain to be black and the cards inside are likely made in Erlanger, despite what the box says.  If the seal is blue or red, it might be Cincinnati stock, but I haven't seen any of that model with a seal other than black.  Black-sealed decks from the late 2000s are almost to a deck made in Erlanger.  They used up the leftover boxes from Cincinnati, filling them with Erlanger-made cards.

The newer 807 boxes have the same exact barcode as the older 807-R-TG boxes.  It's probably why they came together in your shipment - USPC and retailers consider them as essentially the same product; the new or old packaging to them makes no difference.
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