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Ultra Ape deck launch party
« on: March 22, 2012, 03:43:07 PM »
 

ReaganM

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Well we launched!  :karrit:  :bosswalk:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1762124010/ultra-ape-poker-playing-cards
Launch date: 3/23/12 12:00pm Mountain Time!

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Rewards other than decks and standard tuck boxes will include, leather tuck boxes, deck clips, uncut sheets, and "stripper decks".

The deck We have decided to go with Rajas' new finish, it will make the decks durable, and with extra sharp edges for excelent faroing, the edges are also extremelty durable and will not wear out quickly.

The Art This... so far, although we are working on making the monkey head to look not so photoshoped.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2012, 12:20:59 AM by ReaganM »
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 04:34:57 PM »
 

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I really like the additions you made! Especially the design around the king. The back design is better and I will buy it but I feel that there is still room for improvement. This deck has come a long way and it looks great! Good luck with it!
 

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2012, 04:41:25 PM »
 

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I said "maybe eventually" because I don't have a whole lot of money currently and the new back design kinda turned me off. Good luck!
 

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2012, 04:48:13 PM »
 

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The gorilla heads at the back would look good with hats to and would make the whole back design look better but that's just my opinion .
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 04:55:24 PM »
 

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The gorilla heads at the back would look good with hats to and would make the whole back design look better but that's just my opinion .
Thats a great idea.

The votes are depressing me lol.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2012, 04:58:07 PM by ReaganM »
 

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2012, 05:05:21 PM »
 

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This deck looks pretty cool! I think it might be a problem for some card tricks where the back design borderss and faces are different colors. Just my opinion. Anyways, count me in! ;)
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2012, 05:41:37 PM »
 

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This deck looks pretty cool! I think it might be a problem for some card tricks where the back design borderss and faces are different colors. Just my opinion. Anyways, count me in! ;)
Really? Im wondering if this is also why some people are voting no. It be an easy fix, to put a thin black border around the edge.
 

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2012, 05:47:36 PM »
 

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This deck looks pretty cool! I think it might be a problem for some card tricks where the back design borderss and faces are different colors. Just my opinion. Anyways, count me in! ;)
Really? Im wondering if this is also why some people are voting no. It be an easy fix, to put a thin black border around the edge.
People are voting no for a couple of reasons:
1) It's not bicycle.
2) It's not USPCC
3) It's not magic finish.
4) It's not the best deck ever.
5) It's not aimed towards magicians or collectors.
NO offense, just trying to help.
 

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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2012, 05:53:56 PM »
 

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This deck looks pretty cool! I think it might be a problem for some card tricks where the back design borderss and faces are different colors. Just my opinion. Anyways, count me in! ;)
Really? Im wondering if this is also why some people are voting no. It be an easy fix, to put a thin black border around the edge.
People are voting no for a couple of reasons:
1) It's not bicycle.
2) It's not USPCC
3) It's not magic finish.
4) It's not the best deck ever.
5) It's not aimed towards magicians or collectors.
NO offense, just trying to help.
I understand, but the 5th is a bit debatable. Two things Im doing for magicians are the really sharp edges, and the "stripper" decks. Other than that Im not sure what else can really be done.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2012, 05:55:31 PM by ReaganM »
 

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 06:30:54 PM »
 

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This deck looks pretty cool! I think it might be a problem for some card tricks where the back design borderss and faces are different colors. Just my opinion. Anyways, count me in! ;)
Really? Im wondering if this is also why some people are voting no. It be an easy fix, to put a thin black border around the edge.
People are voting no for a couple of reasons:
1) It's not bicycle.
2) It's not USPCC
3) It's not magic finish.
4) It's not the best deck ever.
5) It's not aimed towards magicians or collectors.
NO offense, just trying to help.
I understand, but the 5th is a bit debatable. Two things Im doing for magicians are the really sharp edges, and the "stripper" decks. Other than that Im not sure what else can really be done.
It's a stripper deck?
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2012, 06:32:43 PM »
 

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This deck looks pretty cool! I think it might be a problem for some card tricks where the back design borderss and faces are different colors. Just my opinion. Anyways, count me in! ;)
Really? Im wondering if this is also why some people are voting no. It be an easy fix, to put a thin black border around the edge.
People are voting no for a couple of reasons:
1) It's not bicycle.
2) It's not USPCC
3) It's not magic finish.
4) It's not the best deck ever.
5) It's not aimed towards magicians or collectors.
NO offense, just trying to help.
I understand, but the 5th is a bit debatable. Two things Im doing for magicians are the really sharp edges, and the "stripper" decks. Other than that Im not sure what else can really be done.
It's a stripper deck?
No but one of the rewards are, Its just a different cut and doesnt really cost me any extra so its on there. For people who dont know what that is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HH107iiPZg
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2012, 06:53:46 PM »
 

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Hey, I have an idea, what if you made the color of the border on the face of the cards the same as the border on the backs? You have that red frame going around anyway, may as well fill the outside of it and make the deck usable for magicians.

Plus, it would be a very unique look.

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Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2012, 07:01:32 PM »
 

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Hey, I have an idea, what if you made the color of the border on the face of the cards the same as the border on the backs? You have that red frame going around anyway, may as well fill the outside of it and make the deck usable for magicians.

Plus, it would be a very unique look.


I was actually considering doing that.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2012, 07:08:34 PM »
 

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I'm actually still a little hesitant on the frame. Not because I don't think it looks good, it looks fine, but because I still wonder if they'll be able to cut it that accurately.
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Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2012, 07:15:31 PM »
 

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I'm actually still a little hesitant on the frame. Not because I don't think it looks good, it looks fine, but because I still wonder if they'll be able to cut it that accurately.
All I can say is theyll be fine. The manufacturer seems completely fine with the cards, and they are strict as hell for quality control. My steampunk deck had to be reprinted because it was a bit too tin and they footed the whole bill.
 

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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2012, 07:16:21 PM »
 

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Hey, I have an idea, what if you made the color of the border on the face of the cards the same as the border on the backs? You have that red frame going around anyway, may as well fill the outside of it and make the deck usable for magicians.

Plus, it would be a very unique look.


That's what I was talking about.
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2012, 07:50:58 PM »
 

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Can I be the only one to be brutally honest with you and say that the cards are just awful... If they were put out by merz or someone that nobody knew, everyone here, everyone, would be bashing these decks to pieces... People are being kind because they don't want to hurt your feelings, but people, you are not doing him any favors sugar coating it... You should put your efforts elsewhere... Perhaps take a course or two in design or art, or maybe do a bit more research... I'm not trying to insult you or be a wise guy, but the decks are really that bad... Good luck in your future endeavors, and don't try and make this deck one of them...
 

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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2012, 08:09:43 PM »
 

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I disagree.  I don't see anything wrong with them (except the gorilla's head in the back design, which is being fixed).
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2012, 08:18:25 PM »
 

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Can I be the only one to be brutally honest with you and say that the cards are just awful... If they were put out by merz or someone that nobody knew, everyone here, everyone, would be bashing these decks to pieces... People are being kind because they don't want to hurt your feelings, but people, you are not doing him any favors sugar coating it... You should put your efforts elsewhere... Perhaps take a course or two in design or art, or maybe do a bit more research... I'm not trying to insult you or be a wise guy, but the decks are really that bad... Good luck in your future endeavors, and don't try and make this deck one of them...
Well thats the magic of kickstarter, if people like them it will get funded if not then they wont. You do know that not everyone carries the same opinion as you correct?
 

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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2012, 11:50:43 PM »
 

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Can I be the only one to be brutally honest with you and say that the cards are just awful...
I'm pretty sure that was the most passive/agressive and rudest way to say that.  Brutally honest huh?  What makes you think the rest of us don't like the cards?  I for one can say that all of my comments on this deck have been sincere.  You're making us all out to be liars.  I guess the point I'm trying to make is:  if you don't like the cards annd don't think they are worth being produced, we'd all love to hear your thoughts on why, but without the sass please.
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Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2012, 12:44:35 AM »
 

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Ok so I asked my kickstarter backers, of course they love the cards, but the only problem they have is something with the head, Is this the problem you guys are having as well? Anyways, a bit off topic but we have a month to think about it after the project has been launched.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2012, 01:10:39 AM »
 

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@Reagan: I thought the original intent of your deck was that you were targeting the poker-player market?


If you are still, the black borders (and the red thin line surrounding the face) on the front are a bad idea.  It forces a player to expose more of their card to determine the value.  The frame around the court card is pretty nice, though.  The curlicues on the back are not great for poker, but they do have a certain undeniable style.  The ape images on the back - back to the drawing board.


If you are targeting magicians, then a black-bordered face would be both useful and different - never seen a deck that had them before.  It does mean that "blank fans" (fanning in the reverse direction to make the deck appear blank) are pretty much ruled out, but the more important handiwork such as hiding reversed cards becomes possible.


You seem set on having four indices.  This will turn off some collectors, entertainers and players, but it's your personal style choice.  Frankly, some collectors won't even look past any deck whose box doesn't say "Bicycle" on it, but that's their hang-up.  Go with your vision - but make those indices LARGER.  They're smaller than standard (or at least appear so) and both magicians and poker players need cards that can be easily read by players/spectators.  Get a standard index size, or consider "parlor size" like the Phoenix Parlor deck from http://card-shark.de.  Those are kind of cool, actually - slightly larger cards with big indices, but they're still small enough for card sleights.



People are voting no for a couple of reasons:
1) It's not bicycle.
2) It's not USPCC
3) It's not magic finish.
4) It's not the best deck ever.
5) It's not aimed towards magicians or collectors.
NO offense, just trying to help.


I'd like to comment on those statements you made, Nathan:


1) for anyone too nearsighted to see there are decks other than Bicycle worth owning, it's their choice and their loss.
2) see above statement, swap "Bicycle" with "USPC"
3) see first statement, swap "Bicycle" with "Magic Finish".  I'll never see a non-USPC deck with Magic Finish, but I'll also never see a USPC deck with Quantum Grain Finish, either.  MF is nice, but it's not the be-all and end-all of finishes - some people DISLIKE the slickness of the cards, saying it makes them more difficult to handle.  Great for flourishers, not great for every single application imaginable.  If it was so perfect, why is USPC themselves working on "Experimental Finish" with Alex and the Vortex deck?  It should be totally unnecessary if MF is the apex of finishes.
4) we have yet to see the "best deck ever".  If that was your ONLY requirement, you'd never buy even ONE deck.
5) believe it or not, the huge majority of decks being collected (ESPECIALLY prior to the existence of Ellusionist) WEREN'T aimed at collectors, but they collect them anyway.  As far as magic - 52 pasteboards are all you need.  Some are better than others, but ANY deck can be used to perform at least SOME tricks, even the cheapass 99-cent store two-fer packs.


David Blaine had the same old deck given to him by his mother, heavily worn and decorated like a fortune-telling deck, while growing up as a kid, and it served as his inspiration to become a magician.  Somehow, I doubt they met a single one of the criteria you set above.


The two decks from Misdirection's Mystery are considered by almost everyone who owns them to be among the finest decks ever made.  They aren't Bicycle.  They aren't USPC.  They don't have Magic Finish.  Some might say they're the best decks ever, some might not - people have their preferences.  All but the most dedicated Bicycle-brains out there would be glad to own a deck, especially if they got a good price on it - mean feat, considering the scarcity and popularity.


NO OFFENSE, Nathan, but consider your statements a little before blurting them out.  Just trying to help.  :))
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2012, 05:38:14 AM »
 

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@acegambit... Wow... Really?  I don't need to get into a P!$$!NG contest with you, but I don't think there was anything passive aggressive about it... We could call it all out aggressive, and honestly, if you truly are encouraging this deck, then I'd say that the issue is with you... As far as calling anyone a liar, I did not, so don't put words in my mouth and don't get so emotional and reactive... It seems as though you have strong feelings for this deck, but I'm sure that Reagan would rather have your support monetarily than on the forum, so make sure to pledge a bit of your earnings... Like I said, stop coddling the guy and be honest... From the looks of things, the deck has such a favorable response that the kickstarter should have no issues - make sure to pledge for a brick or two - put your money where  your mouth is and pledge... There's no ill will here, and I'm not wishing the guy fails, I'm not a hater, I'm just pointing out that the deck is just plain awful... I mean perhaps, scroll back and take another look... I'm really not trying to bash the guy, I just thought I'd interject some honesty into this love fest...
 

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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2012, 09:43:56 AM »
 

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Whoa @jmrock, not aiming for a fight, but you said that you were the ONLY one to be brutally honest, I just think that's a statement that you (nor I) have the insight to accurately make.  Suggesting that you were calling everyone liars was a bit out of line, for that I do apologize.  As far as the pledging is concerned, I will pledge for this deck.  Last I heard they were going up at $15-$20 per pair.  Which what I will pledge for.  I do not buy cards by the brick, I don't need that many.  I am a magician first, card collector second.  As a magician, the cards are not anything I would ever consider performing with (especially having never handled a deck from this printer before), as a collector, I really like the cards, I think they are unique, but probably have a little too much novelty to them for them to be anything spectacular, still I will pick up a couple decks.
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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2012, 09:50:19 AM »
 

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reagan .. no matter what i will still get the deck i like it alot i will get a couple of it ... i just watch a anime and that anime is someone drawing a manga .. and the person manga is not so well like and his manga series is going to end soon so he decided to read the fan letter and try to change the storyline so that his fan will like it better ..but afterthat his editor scold him and say that this is not your work .. this is your fan work .. lol the moral of the story is i love your work .. and dun change the art too much because people do not like it ,the way you are making your deck is just fine ..maybe you can take alex suggestion etc .. lol wtf am i saying this 

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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2012, 10:09:11 AM »
 

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JMRock, you can't just state that the deck is objectively awful without giving any reasons at all, otherwise you are trying to speak for everyone.

Look back at your last post and consider this;

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As far as calling anyone a liar, I did not, so don't put words in my mouth

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Like I said, stop coddling the guy and be honest

So, you were making accustions of dishonesty.  If you can say WHY you think the cards are awful, I think everyone would find that useful and i would actually be considered to be contributing something to the conversation.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2012, 11:29:44 AM »
 

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JMRock, you can't just state that the deck is objectively awful without giving any reasons at all, otherwise you are trying to speak for everyone.

Look back at your last post and consider this;

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As far as calling anyone a liar, I did not, so don't put words in my mouth

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Like I said, stop coddling the guy and be honest

So, you were making accustions of dishonesty.  If you can say WHY you think the cards are awful, I think everyone would find that useful and i would actually be considered to be contributing something to the conversation.


I agree with Kanped, JM.  And I'll add this:


Can I be the only one to be brutally honest with you and say that the cards are just awful... If they were put out by merz or someone that nobody knew, everyone here, everyone, would be bashing these decks to pieces... People are being kind because they don't want to hurt your feelings, but people, you are not doing him any favors sugar coating it... You should put your efforts elsewhere... Perhaps take a course or two in design or art, or maybe do a bit more research... I'm not trying to insult you or be a wise guy, but the decks are really that bad... Good luck in your future endeavors, and don't try and make this deck one of them...


Reagan is taking a few unique concepts and making them into playing cards.  Merz67 grabs a few pieces of clip art off the web for his jokers and aces, recolors the Rider Back and calls that a rare and valuable collectible, generally charging obscene amounts for them because he's the only seller who has them.  There's a Grand Canyon separating the two.  I wouldn't say Reagan is the world's greatest deck designer, but it's easy to say that this deck trumps anything Merz67 craps out and calls art.  I'm interested in Reagan's deck, but I'd sooner buy a two-for-99-cents deck for a hundred bucks than even consider buying a Merz67-designed deck.


And since when did you become the elected spokesman for the entire forum?  "...everyone here, everyone, would be bashing these decks to pieces..."?  This is obviously not true, because I don't think this is such an awful deck and I've never been accused of sugar-coating anything around here (for good reason).  My honesty is as brutal as it gets.  Speak for yourself, if you don't mind; I can speak for myself and I'm sure the others can as well.


"I'm not trying to insult you or be a wise guy, but the decks are really that bad... Good luck in your future endeavors, and don't try and make this deck one of them..."  You're "not trying to insult him" in one sentence, then slamming him in the next.  Not very useful.


If you think there's specific issues with the deck, fine - point them out.  Reagan's been extremely flexible about his designs because he wants to make a deck some people here will buy.  His deck isn't meant to appeal to everyone - if it was, he'd be making it in quantities in the millions, not just several hundred.  If you really dislike the deck, you're not forced to comment here, but if you do, try giving reasons for your opinion instead of just tossing out a grenade like the one you left in the room.
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Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2012, 11:41:39 AM »
 

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Im sorry but I dont like them either  :-\

but it seems like enough people do so good luck with it.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2012, 11:47:51 AM »
 

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Don, I totally agree with you. I was just saying why some people might not want to buy it. Reagan said it was near perfect in his opinion, so I was just trying to show him a typical collectors' point of view.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2012, 01:21:46 PM »
 

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Well this is wonderfull, I was told I didnt need kickstarter approval for a second project, apparently someone is just a compulsive liar, because we wont see this project for a few days.
 

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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2012, 04:43:41 PM »
 

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Well whhile we are waiting, Ive been trying out new monkeys on the back, what do you guys think of this one?
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2012, 04:51:00 PM »
 

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I like the outline better but at first glance you cant really tell what it is. Definatly a step up though.
 

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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2012, 04:58:58 PM »
 

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you can add strips to the hats to see how that looks like, because the center looks plain .
 

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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2012, 04:59:45 PM »
 

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I like that back and I will buy a couple of these.
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Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2012, 05:18:20 PM »
 

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Looking much better! But I still don't like the ape head in the center :/ sry for being so difficult!
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2012, 08:42:42 PM »
 

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Well my goodness... I must just say that I'm not going to list all the things I don't like about this deck because I don't want to insult Reagan and add even more fuel to the fire, and I think I would be beating a dead horse... I really didn't expect the panty bunching that occurred relating to my post... hahaha... It's just that I've observed many of you tear apart much finer decks than this one in the past... So I looked again at the revisions and I have to say, "I just don't get it... I'm not seeing the same thing any of you are seeing apparently."  However, Reagan, If I've offended you I apologize, but I do believe you're over it already... It's nice to see how much love and support you have in these rooms... I hope you understand the respect many of people here have for you given the constructive criticism that has been posted (in all seriousness).
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2012, 09:23:16 PM »
 

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Okay lets make a sandwich "personal opinion" on the Ultra Ape.

Mind you this is just my opnion and take on the deck. I don't represent anyone or any group of people. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. So yeah. ^_^

The pips and indices on all four corners are a bit... uhm... bleh to me. I may not know anything about poker, but I do play other card games... and having too much to "see" on the cards make it a bit noisy, messy and distracting to me at least. And even if I were to see it in my "magician" point-of-view... its still distracting.
In my "Flourisher" point-of-view well if your are going with KEM.... nuff said.
As a Female Card collector, I don't like monkey/ape cards... specially one with cigars. ^_^
But the Silhouette is MUCH MUCH better than the  earlier designs. Since there are already WAAAAAAY TOO much DISTINCT stuff on the backs, faces, and court cards. The simple silhouette is a bit more pleasing to the eyes.
Now, the inside, inner borders are just tacky for my own taste. Specially if your court cards are going to be something like that. Now looking at this King of Hearts... again the card design is really overwhelming in a bad way. Because the contrasting colors and what not are too distinct. If it were more subtle and muted then it might be better.
The suit of the Ape is just fashion disaster. If I were a guy I would never wear the same Suit and fedora with the same design/color/cloth. Can you just imagine?? I mean would you wear something like that. The same exact style of suit and fedora?

But yeah thats just my opinion. I tried to not be too harsh. ^_^ Because I don't want to start any other conflict.

I'm very curious though on one thing... if that is what the KINGS will look like, what will the QUEENS look like?
FemAPEs? :P
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2012, 10:05:03 PM »
 

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I'm not going to list all the things I don't like about this deck because I don't want to insult Reagan

Surely, you MUST realize that by just coming along and saying 'they're awful' without offering any explanation can only be taken as insulting, and can't be taken as criticism because it isn't, in any way, constructive? 

You could just humour us at this point and say why you don't like it, where were the wrong choices made?  I think it would be informative and interesting, and possibly make a better deck if the rest of us think 'Ah yes, I couldn't put my finger on it before but now that you point it out, that is a bit [whatever]'.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2012, 10:30:22 PM »
 

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I like the updated back much better. But it is still lacking something. Maybe another color?
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2012, 12:11:59 AM »
 

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Ok Guys the deck is launched. The deck will be perfected over time like the steampunk cards were.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1762124010/ultra-ape-poker-playing-cards
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2012, 12:31:41 AM »
 

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There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2012, 12:36:10 AM »
 

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There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.
You might be right, excuse me for being confident but if it fails it fails. Also The cards will probably a lot better near the end of it like the steampunk deck. But if Im wrong, oh well its kickstarter, it can only fail.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2012, 12:38:42 AM »
 

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There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.
I agree. I think this has  lot of potential but...
The back is cut off. The price is a little high for me (I wouldn't pay more than 7$ for it, regardless of the fact that it is plastic). There is little info on the two colors. We are missing a lot of info. I think you should edit it and that should get you many backers quickly. Good luck!

EDIT: Also, why is the goal so high if it costs 4500$ to print through Rajas? I honestly can't imagine it reaching such a high goal. NO offense.
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Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2012, 12:41:09 AM »
 

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There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.
I agree. I think this has  lot of potential but...
The back is cut off. The price is a little high for me (I wouldn't pay more than 7$ for it, regardless of the fact that it is plastic). There is little info on the two colors. We are missing a lot of info. I think you should edit it and that should get you many backers quickly. Good luck!

EDIT: Also, why is the goal so high if it costs 4500$ to print through Rajas? I honestly can't imagine it reaching such a high goal. NO offense.
Good points, it shouldnt take long to correct all that and we are printing 5000, and this new finish costs 1.5 each add kickstarter fees to that and shipping and you will realise that 8500 is quite reasonable.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2012, 04:54:00 AM »
 

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Well my goodness... I must just say that I'm not going to list all the things I don't like about this deck because I don't want to insult Reagan and add even more fuel to the fire, and I think I would be beating a dead horse... I really didn't expect the panty bunching that occurred relating to my post... hahaha... It's just that I've observed many of you tear apart much finer decks than this one in the past... So I looked again at the revisions and I have to say, "I just don't get it... I'm not seeing the same thing any of you are seeing apparently."  However, Reagan, If I've offended you I apologize, but I do believe you're over it already... It's nice to see how much love and support you have in these rooms... I hope you understand the respect many of people here have for you given the constructive criticism that has been posted (in all seriousness).

Well, you backed out of backing up your opinions on the deck, but you did offer what appears to be a sincere apology and a few words of support.  This, I like!  :))  Just bear in mind that when offering an opinion in a public forum, don't be surprised that people will want you to give reasons behind that opinion.

@NathanCanadas - I recall Reagan wanted to make this deck on plastic, not paper.  That $4600 quote from Rajas posted a number of weeks ago was for 2500 deck with red backs and 2500 with blue backs, all on paper.

But to look at the other side of the coin, @ReaganM, you did just mention a finish, which plastic cards don't generally have.  So what's the story - paper or plastic?
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Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2012, 05:46:55 AM »
 

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When I first saw this deck I wasn't impressed with the Apes head on the back. The Sillouette version is better but I'd remove it altogether.
I really like the King though and maybe you could take on Krystles comment regarding his "Fashion Disaster" Lol, as I  kind of agree.
Finally, I would buy this deck..... If it were Paper. I just don't buy Plastic Cards.

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Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2012, 08:10:58 AM »
 

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There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.
You might be right, excuse me for being confident but if it fails it fails. Also The cards will probably a lot better near the end of it like the steampunk deck. But if Im wrong, oh well its kickstarter, it can only fail.

Because of your comment, I have decided not to back the project. I am not investing money in a project where the creator does not mind if it fails.

Good luck with your kickstarter. Hopefully it will "do a lot better near the end like the steampunk deck" for some reasons.
 

Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2012, 08:34:51 AM »
 

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There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.


You might be right, excuse me for being confident but if it fails it fails. Also The cards will probably a lot better near the end of it like the steampunk deck. But if Im wrong, oh well its kickstarter, it can only fail.

Because of your comment, I have decided not to back the project. I am not investing money in a project where the creator does not mind if it fails.

Good luck with your kickstarter. Hopefully it will "do a lot better near the end like the steampunk deck" for some reasons.


I haven't committed yet one way or the other, but I have to agree with LordLupus in that it's a rather cavalier attitude to take towards your own work.  Never run roughshod over your customers if you plan to succeed.  Confidence has nothing to do with it.  If they think you're not committed, they will lose confidence in the project and it can snowball into a guaranteed failure.


You could have conveyed your message in a way that better indicated that you really want this made and that it's a labor of love.  Otherwise, you would be little better than Merz67, in that you're solely driven by profit and nothing more.
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Re: Ultra Ape deck launch party
« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2012, 09:19:33 AM »
 

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Well my goodness... I must just say that I'm not going to list all the things I don't like about this deck because I don't want to insult Reagan and add even more fuel to the fire, and I think I would be beating a dead horse... I really didn't expect the panty bunching that occurred relating to my post... hahaha... It's just that I've observed many of you tear apart much finer decks than this one in the past... So I looked again at the revisions and I have to say, "I just don't get it... I'm not seeing the same thing any of you are seeing apparently."  However, Reagan, If I've offended you I apologize, but I do believe you're over it already... It's nice to see how much love and support you have in these rooms... I hope you understand the respect many of people here have for you given the constructive criticism that has been posted (in all seriousness).

Well, you backed out of backing up your opinions on the deck, but you did offer what appears to be a sincere apology and a few words of support.  This, I like!  :))  Just bear in mind that when offering an opinion in a public forum, don't be surprised that people will want you to give reasons behind that opinion.

@NathanCanadas - I recall Reagan wanted to make this deck on plastic, not paper.  That $4600 quote from Rajas posted a number of weeks ago was for 2500 deck with red backs and 2500 with blue backs, all on paper.

But to look at the other side of the coin, @ReaganM, you did just mention a finish, which plastic cards don't generally have.  So what's the story - paper or plastic?
Well its paper, but the finish makes it act like plastic in a lot of ways, only in good ways though. Like the snap, and the durability. Other than that the paper edges are sharp for good flourishing, and the cards are said to have great handeling.

@ lordlupus : sorry to hear that, its not that I dont want it to succceed I really really do Its just not the end of the world. I did say it in a pretty stupid way. A nicer way to say it would have been, that It wouldnt kill me to pick up the peices and try again. Of course those words have no meaning now. If you remember, on and off this topic I have defended my cards quite religously on some occasions.
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