do i have to use sarcasm green font here or what, obviously that was a joke

Haven't been around in a while, congratulations on selling out on your decks, but $175? Really?  It appears that a greater gap between myself and collecting new designs has grown, because I really just don't get excited about any new releases anymore. Even one that appears to have a great following as this deck... Again, good luck, but all the hype to me is just over the top and I have other things to spend my hard earned $ on these days...

it's 175 for one really rare version of the deck. the regular decks go for like 11-12 bucks so it's not like it's that much more expensive than any custom deck coming out these days. The decks themselves look awesome and definitely deserve the hype imo, even though I most likely won't be buying any of the special editions.

again with the insults? all I'm saying is that it is not obvious that the decks would be released later, and it seemed like TBC was purposely making their availability vague in an attempt to sell more decks. I didn't read what they wrote about the deck until today in this topic because I actually didn't care for the deck. I'm not saying it was their intention, but given their history it shouldn't be automatically ruled out. They didn't say that the deck would be available, and even if it was implied that would be available later, there was no reason to think that it wouldn't have been months before their release, especially given that you had to buy a brick of the regular deck in order to get just one. Instead they release it less than a month later, essentially screwing over the people who bought a brick for the one extra deck who were misled by their description. It's a shady marketing practice at best and TBC is now a repeat offender.

Don't get me wrong, I usually love their decks. The Ornate decks are some of my favorites. Making the release of a deck intentionally vague while offering it as a special offer for buying likely many more decks than most customers originally intended to buy is not a good practice and is preying on their consumer base.

yeah...I'm not buying that, specifically when he first said that people who weren't liking the deck "were failing to see the simplest details" and then followed it up with that comment. That obviously wasn't just referring to the people who didn't explain why they didn't like the deck. I'll let moon clarify if he wants, but don't speak for him. Either way I don't really feel like arguing this anymore. It's mostly subjective and E will sell a bunch of these decks anyway. I don't like them, some people do.

Sr15, he does design work - do you?  He does have a clearer idea of the REASONS why a deck is or isn't well-defined.  Perhaps you're the one that's being pretentious?

in an area as subjective as card design, I really don't think being a designer of a deck automatically makes you any more or less qualified to make statements on what makes a deck appealing to people. Same reason that someone who puts out an album doesn't get to make pretentious comments about other's taste in music. And I'm not the one who started insulting people by implying that their opinions weren't "educated" enough.

When someone tosses out the idea that "metallic ink would make this better" - in what way would that make it better?  Should they have simply splattered it all over the place?  That statement is not an educated one.  The same applies to someone who simply tosses out that they're "disappointed" but doesn't say why

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I personally don't really care for metallic ink, but as others have mentioned (including myself), the design really feels uninspired and maybe something like metallic ink would've made it stand out more. I don't think it would have and it probably needs a more interesting design, but as I said before the card industry is getting more and more competitive and the standards for a deck are always being raised.

Your opinion actually had some of the thought behind it that he was looking for, smartass.  You gave details for why you felt what you felt in terms of the design.

I guess I am kind of repeating myself at this point. If you're seriously going to call me a smartass because I replied to a comment calling me uneducated then I don't think this discussion is going to go much further.

Make sure the next time you touch the keyboard with the intent of disrespecting someone in the community for no intelligent reason, shift your brain into drive for a few minutes first.  You'll find that you go much further and people will give a damn about what you're saying.  And if you think that's the most pretentious thing here, you haven't been around much, have you?

Funny how I'm accused of disrespecting someone who blatantly called me uneducated. And yes I am somewhat new here but that really doesn't excuse it, does it? If you want to single out that one comment and for the most part ignore the rest of my post, I can't really do anything about that.

He actually does have some idea about design, seeing as how he's been putting together a deck of his own that looks great, based on the preliminary artwork.  So, he does in fact speak with authority rather than speaking out of his ass...

and just to address this point, I get that you're siding with the member who has been here longer and may have more credibility in your eyes. I understand that. However, even if he had already released a deck, which he has not, it does not give him more authority to speak on design quality over anyone else.

It doesn't have to be any specific thing, but in general I am underwhelmed with the deck. A few factors would probably be the increasing quality of designs in decks, the increasing competition in decks with so many kickstarters and custom decks being released, and the far greater than average hype that comes with decks like these compared to decks released by smaller companies/individuals. Also it can come down to personal taste, and personally the deck just doesn't do it for me.

I can appreciate simplicity in design. White Lions, for example, are one of my favorite decks and the design is very simple. Conversely, I just bought the new seasons decks and those look phenomenal. I only have so much money and when my choices are between sultans/rebels and the seasons decks, it's no contest for me.

And don't get me wrong, I usually love the decks that Ellusionist puts outs. I would say the purple artifice deck is my favorite design, and I love the designs of the Arcane decks and Shadow Masters. Maybe part of me not liking these decks is due to higher expectations for Ellusionist/T11, who usually make awesome decks.

thought about getting two sets but don't really have the money for it...oh well, finally got a set of these so I'm happy

I missed out on the first edition, and I really don't feel like paying 40+ bucks on ebay for a set of them even though they look amazing. I'll settle for these and probably pick up 1-2 sets depending on the price because they look pretty similar, even though the gold looks slightly better I think.

anyone have any idea when these will be released?