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« on: October 31, 2012, 11:28:59 AM »
 

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Here is a link to Zenneth's performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCKMm-XYmwM

No offence to Zenneth, but this trick looks very similar to Wayne Houchin's Distortion and I am sure the handling can be improved on such as getting rid of the double backer altogether which gets rid of the 'TL' in the end. I am sure it doesn't matter to your regular layperson but I reckon that would be a cleaner ending. And also the routine that is slightly long.

P.S If Zenneth is reading this, do you happen to have a performance clip of Lu Chen doing this effect as it says on the coterie site that the T.V performance right is sold to him in 2012. Thanks.
 

Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2012, 10:59:52 PM »
 

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Here is a link to Zenneth's performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCKMm-XYmwM

No offence to Zenneth, but this trick looks very similar to Wayne Houchin's Distortion and I am sure the handling can be improved on such as getting rid of the double backer altogether which gets rid of the 'TL' in the end. I am sure it doesn't matter to your regular layperson but I reckon that would be a cleaner ending. And also the routine that is slightly long.

P.S If Zenneth is reading this, do you happen to have a performance clip of Lu Chen doing this effect as it says on the coterie site that the T.V performance right is sold to him in 2012. Thanks.


I thought the performance was fine.  I looked at it with the eyes of a spectator, not the eyes of a magician - which I'm sure you didn't.  To a layman, I'm sure it was just a cool trick.  As far as judging the routine on length, it's hard to evaluate when you can't understand the language, as I can't.  Can you?
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2012, 12:05:45 AM »
 

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Here is a link to Zenneth's performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCKMm-XYmwM

No offence to Zenneth, but this trick looks very similar to Wayne Houchin's Distortion and I am sure the handling can be improved on such as getting rid of the double backer altogether which gets rid of the 'TL' in the end. I am sure it doesn't matter to your regular layperson but I reckon that would be a cleaner ending. And also the routine that is slightly long.

P.S If Zenneth is reading this, do you happen to have a performance clip of Lu Chen doing this effect as it says on the coterie site that the T.V performance right is sold to him in 2012. Thanks.


I thought the performance was fine.  I looked at it with the eyes of a spectator, not the eyes of a magician - which I'm sure you didn't.  To a layman, I'm sure it was just a cool trick.  As far as judging the routine on length, it's hard to evaluate when you can't understand the language, as I can't.  Can you?
you are right. I looked at it in the eyes of a magician, and yes I understand every word of it. Even as a layman I think it was slightly too long. probaly 3/4 of the time would be perfect. maybe I am more used to the DnD style of direct in-the-face and shorter tricks. It is a fine trick none the less.
 

Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2012, 01:34:19 AM »
 

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Lu Chen using Project C deck (program in Mandarin Chinese, it is a Taiwanese TV program)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=134HSRET92Q&feature=share

Card trick starts at 05:05

Sorry this is not the Entwined Hearts trick.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2012, 01:57:23 AM by DC »
 

Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2012, 09:21:02 AM »
 

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Lu Chen using Project C deck (program in Mandarin Chinese, it is a Taiwanese TV program)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=134HSRET92Q&feature=share

Card trick starts at 05:05

Sorry this is not the Entwined Hearts trick.


Awesome set!  I think I have the last two bits figured out and the first is commercially available, but his performance was excellent and I can't understand a word of Chinese.
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 10:35:52 AM »
 

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Lu Chen using Project C deck (program in Mandarin Chinese, it is a Taiwanese TV program)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=134HSRET92Q&feature=share

Card trick starts at 05:05

Sorry this is not the Entwined Hearts trick.


Awesome set!  I think I have the last two bits figured out and the first is commercially available, but his performance was excellent and I can't understand a word of Chinese.
He actually performed the duct tape effect before but he brought it to a whole new level with a new ending to the effect. I would very much like to learn the first effect where a signed card goes into a bottle. Any idea where I can get it Don?

Back to the Entwined hearts effect. I still prefer Wayne Houchin's handling. Similar to this effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B8OmlsNummg . The trick only starts at around 9:00. I does not require a double backer and a normal card can be handed out for examination rather than a gaff card. But a gaff card as a souvenir would serve as a much better momento as a normal car. How contradicting.

Sorry Don. The whole trick is in Chinese again :p
 

Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2012, 12:00:52 PM »
 

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He actually performed the duct tape effect before but he brought it to a whole new level with a new ending to the effect. I would very much like to learn the first effect where a signed card goes into a bottle. Any idea where I can get it Don?

Back to the Entwined hearts effect. I still prefer Wayne Houchin's handling. Similar to this effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B8OmlsNummg . The trick only starts at around 9:00. I does not require a double backer and a normal card can be handed out for examination rather than a gaff card. But a gaff card as a souvenir would serve as a much better momento as a normal car. How contradicting.

Sorry Don. The whole trick is in Chinese again :p


I think that E sells either that or something similar.


The gaff card giveaway is a brilliant way to handle a trick - but it can be expensive, so it's not something you'd want to use for random street magic!  There's a trick involving a potential gaff giveaway in the Arcane Gaff Techniques video, but it's for a gaff that's the only one in the whole gaff deck.  I'd have to really like the person I'm giving it to, considering how much an Arcane Gaff deck costs!
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2012, 03:47:12 PM »
 

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Here is a link to Zenneth's performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCKMm-XYmwM

No offence to Zenneth, but this trick looks very similar to Wayne Houchin's Distortion and I am sure the handling can be improved on such as getting rid of the double backer altogether which gets rid of the 'TL' in the end. I am sure it doesn't matter to your regular layperson but I reckon that would be a cleaner ending. And also the routine that is slightly long.

P.S If Zenneth is reading this, do you happen to have a performance clip of Lu Chen doing this effect as it says on the coterie site that the T.V performance right is sold to him in 2012. Thanks.


I just realized as of now there's a discussion on the Entwined Hearts.

Start off, I don't own "Distortion" so I can't really judge it, but I am sure Mr. Wayne Houchin must have some of his personal touches into it. "Distortion" is, essentially, the "Moving Pips", which was created long time ago. The gimmick has been created/marketed probably decade(s) ago before this was published under the name "Distortion".

My variation of the "Moving Pips" is to give it an "Emotional Hook": two hearts visually come close to each, the effect and the meaning speaks for itself, and most importantly, you created a unique and magical gift for your audiences.

You are right about that TV performance clip being too lengthy, but the video clip wasn't all of it, some previous tricks (build up) were cut away, which destroyed the structure of a magic routine- use visual quickies to start your performance and then when audience are convinced of your ability, hit them hard with something more elaborated, touching or truly impossible.

In the video, it looks like I spent a lot of time on this trick alone(and they put some silly background music to it).... I was disappointed about that too.

Anyway, If you purchase this from Coterie1902.com, you should be able to access to a 30 mins instructional video, in which you will see the my favourite handling:

a blurry image of 2 of hearts appear on a blank face card, and then it becomes solid colored 2 of hearts, finally the 2 hearts come close to each other until they are entwined.
 
I wrote a book in Chinese about commercial magic performance theories and advice, a whole chapter in that book was devoted to why we should give away impossible souvenir and what kind of souvenir is actually considered as impossible. As a matter of fact, the KH gaff card in Coterie Bee deck was primarily designed to perform a Fusion/T&R type of trick that end up with an impossible souvenir(too bad they can't print it anymore). I don't want to bore you with dry theories, but if you work professionally, you'll know you will actually get a lot more for what you giveaway.

Lu Chen has not performed this trick on T.V. yet, so there's no TV footage of him performing Entwined Hearts.

Hope this helps,
Zenneth


 




 
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2012, 12:18:43 AM »
 

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See, Zenneth, now you're going to make me want to buy the trick!  Let's see how much cash I have left after the devastation of holiday shopping and spending is over...

To me, this approach to magic, associating it with love, is a very powerful one.  It's this principle that led you to create the "0 of hearts" gaff for the Gold Seal NFB decks, wasn't it?  I'd love to see you do a handling of that gaff in a trick!
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2012, 02:14:21 PM »
 

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Dear Don,

I have quite a few items already marketed, but not many make me as proud as the Entwined Hearts.

You are absolutely correct about the "0" of Hearts from New Fan Back. I have several love theme routines to go with it, when things at Coterie are less occupying my time, I will definitely make some performance videos with it.

Coterie will be hosting and translating for Michael Ammar's Hong Kong lecture and workshop in just a few day's time, after that there is a major magic convention in Beijing at the end of this month, which the Coterie Team will be responsible for translation of 7 lectures and some interactive shows too. There are too many things happening offline at the moment. Hopefully I can find a day next month to make those videos.

Do let me know if you are interested in getting it, sure you will be very happy with what you get.

Cheers,
Zenneth
   
 
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2012, 09:21:15 PM »
 

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Thanks for the reply Zenneth. I, like Don, will see if I have enough cash after Black Friday to purchase Entwined hearts. What you say is very true about giving away an impossible souvenir. But being only a hobbist with no paid gigs as of yet, that would be a little strenuous for me. Where can i find that book that you have written in Mandarin? I would love to pick it up for a read.
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2012, 01:21:46 PM »
 

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You can get those books from:

http://www.zennethkok.com/zh-hant/catalog/books

Hope this helps,
Zenneth
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2013, 12:41:33 AM »
 

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Here's the link for the revised Entwined Hearts trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9GOtLejFHY

Hope you guys will like it!

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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2013, 08:07:11 AM »
 

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Here's the link for the revised Entwined Hearts trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9GOtLejFHY

Hope you guys will like it!

Zenneth

Wow - that's an awesome presentation!  And the sleight work looks like it's not outrageously hard, either.
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 12:24:47 PM »
 

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Look really awesome! Reminds me of Wayne Houchin's distortion.
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 07:21:13 PM »
 

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Look really awesome! Reminds me of Wayne Houchin's distortion.

It's more like an upgrade of Distortion.
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Re: Zenneth Kok's Entwined Hearts
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2013, 04:22:44 AM »
 

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I have this. I do love this effect, although I've not performed it yet. Been sitting in my drawer for about 8 months. I was sent blue backed gimmicks, found that disappointing because when it's being signed, you can't see it very clearly. I was meant to return it for some red backed but completely forgot. I may just order some extras in red and use up the blue.
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