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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2014, 07:54:17 PM »
 

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Don -- I posted in the wrong section, my bad.

The word BIRDMAN has a completely different meaning in our RongoRongo project.

Any attempt to compare it to “Early Bird” of any type should be avoided, because it’s a pure coincidence that both expressions include the word “bird” in them.

So the $1 BIRDMAN SPECIAL has nothing to do with “Early Bird Special” of any kind.

Our BIRDMAN comes from the cult of BIRDMAN, a religion which was observed on Easter Island after the fall of MOAIs. The BIRDMAN race took place every year on Easter Island and it was an extreme form of IronMan competitions (swim, bike, run) we know today. The racers scaled sheer cliffs and swam in shark infested waters to reach an egg of a bird on another island. Many died during the competition. The winner of the race (actually, the sponsor of the winner) was crowned the BIRDMAN for one year, with an absolute power to rule over all other clans.
We have our own BIRDMAN, who was crowned after a race to solve our RongoRongo puzzle. Almost every day he starts a BIRDMAN RACE for the $1 BIRDMAN SPECIAL, which includes decks of cards and other items. The races start between noon and 1 PM EST – I don’t know the time, BIRDMAN uses the comments section to call for the release of the $1 BIRDMAN PLEDGE.

The future races will take between 12:00 noon and 12:15 PM EST.

Although the fascination with the butt of the Birdman figure should be applauded, the butts themselves are not featured in any type of fans because they are far from the edge of the card.



 

Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2014, 09:04:50 PM »
 

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@tomas - You're right I'm picking on you.  I'll stop.  I'm just trying to point out what seems to me the obvious. I'm just saying the top part of the card is what you see when you're playing against an opponent.  In your cards, this is what your going to see. 
 

I do like your .gif with the spread of your cards.  I think all Kickstarter projects should use that as a standard. 

 
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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2014, 02:41:26 AM »
 

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That's ok, as long as we understand a few facts:

1. The birdman name relates to the birdman cult, not to any pre-sales. The birdman was a half man half bird god in Rapa Nui culture.

2. The birdman glyph was always fitted into stones regardless of the orientation and the vast majority of artifacts show it in what you consider an "upside down" position. For over 1,000 years this glyph was featured in hundreds of locations in what you consider incorrect orientation, so your comments should be adressed to RongoRongo scibes, not to me -- I just follow a well established format.

3. Your butt comments are incorrect on many levels:
(a) orientation as per 2 and per enclosed pic showing a typical orientation of a birdman petroglyph
(b) visibility - the concept of a fan is what I show in my gif; elements deep into the center of the card are not visible in a fan
(c) a card cut is half is not what we see when we look at our opponent's hands. The enclosed picture shows a more typical situation






 

Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2014, 03:02:25 AM »
 

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The fan is constructed to show another figure associated with Easter Island mythology, the Sun God. The Easter Island culture was famous for their knowledge of astronomy, so I designed the backs to create a glyph of Sun God in a fan.
 

Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2014, 09:45:48 AM »
 

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That black deck. Love it. To me, this deck is a black deck. The blue and the gold don't do it as much for me - but the black really fits well with this design in my opinion. As far as the courts, I think they're great. You can't ask for more than for a themed deck to have themed courts. And to create a completely never before seen artistic approach for court cards, that is all the more awesome. Good job.
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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2014, 07:31:09 PM »
 

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thanks publius, I appreciate your comments. the black deck is also my favorite.
 

Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2014, 10:43:16 PM »
 

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Don -- I posted in the wrong section, my bad.

The word BIRDMAN has a completely different meaning in our RongoRongo project.

Any attempt to compare it to “Early Bird” of any type should be avoided, because it’s a pure coincidence that both expressions include the word “bird” in them.

So the $1 BIRDMAN SPECIAL has nothing to do with “Early Bird Special” of any kind.

Our BIRDMAN comes from the cult of BIRDMAN, a religion which was observed on Easter Island after the fall of MOAIs. The BIRDMAN race took place every year on Easter Island and it was an extreme form of IronMan competitions (swim, bike, run) we know today. The racers scaled sheer cliffs and swam in shark infested waters to reach an egg of a bird on another island. Many died during the competition. The winner of the race (actually, the sponsor of the winner) was crowned the BIRDMAN for one year, with an absolute power to rule over all other clans.
We have our own BIRDMAN, who was crowned after a race to solve our RongoRongo puzzle. Almost every day he starts a BIRDMAN RACE for the $1 BIRDMAN SPECIAL, which includes decks of cards and other items. The races start between noon and 1 PM EST – I don’t know the time, BIRDMAN uses the comments section to call for the release of the $1 BIRDMAN PLEDGE.

The future races will take between 12:00 noon and 12:15 PM EST.

Although the fascination with the butt of the Birdman figure should be applauded, the butts themselves are not featured in any type of fans because they are far from the edge of the card.

I'm inclined to doubt the natives of the island used the actual word "BIRDMAN" to describe it.  Perhaps using the word in its original tongue would be more accurate and unlikely to be confused with other versions of the term in English.
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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2014, 05:09:11 AM »
 

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The islanders used the word BIrdman exactly in that form, 1000 years ago and continue to use it today. Half bird, half man, birdman. There is no confusion there, it's an accepted transaction in all English history books. We do use the word in the original language - the language is RongoRongo, the glyphs from that Island and the name of the deck. The word is prominently featured on backs - it's a character with a "big butt."

The cult of BIrdman is well documented in English books since 1750, when the term first appeared in the first English book.

What you are suggesting is for people to stop using the names of hybrid creatures like Centaur, Faun or Siren, or using them in their original Greek language to avoid a confusion with a name of a car wash which just opened down the road. English is a West Germanic language, so if we follow that logic all English words would revert back to their original form.

 

Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2014, 11:54:31 AM »
 

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The islanders used the word BIrdman exactly in that form, 1000 years ago and continue to use it today. Half bird, half man, birdman. There is no confusion there, it's an accepted transaction in all English history books. We do use the word in the original language - the language is RongoRongo, the glyphs from that Island and the name of the deck. The word is prominently featured on backs - it's a character with a "big butt."

The cult of BIrdman is well documented in English books since 1750, when the term first appeared in the first English book.

What you are suggesting is for people to stop using the names of hybrid creatures like Centaur, Faun or Siren, or using them in their original Greek language to avoid a confusion with a name of a car wash which just opened down the road. English is a West Germanic language, so if we follow that logic all English words would revert back to their original form.

Actually, I suggested using the term in the original language not solely to prevent confusion with some 20th-century cartoon character but also because it would seem culturally relevant, since you are using this culture as your inspiration.

FYI: Rongorongo is a glyph-written script of either the Rapa Nui language or a language as yet undiscovered and probably lost.  Calling Rongorongo a language as you have above is like saying you speak Alphabet and your best friend speaks Kanji while his brother speaks Braille.  (Sounds harder than speaking Klingon!)  The language uses the term "Rapa Nui" to refer to Easter Island itself, but I'll be using it here as the name of the language as well for expediency.

The script has never been successfully translated as there were few if any people left who could read it at the time of its discovery by a man named Eugène Eyraud in 1864, with the first Western-world written reference to it appearing in a report by him filed in 1866.  Further hampering the translation effort is the fact that so few examples of the writing exist with which to compare.  Many people have attempted to translate it, but in the end ended up with gibberish or phrases that make no sense, especially when compared with Rapa Nui language structure.  So speaking with any authority about calling any of the characters "bird-man" would be pretty off-base, unless you lived on Easter Island a few hundred years ago and were taught to use the script.  In Rapa Nui, the term "rongorongo" translates approximately as "to recite, to declaim, to chant out."  "Rongorongo" is not even the name used by the original writers of the glyphs - it's a modern name for the language.

"Accepted transactions" aside, of course...since there is no such term when it comes to history texts, at least not in English.  If you're talking about accepted translations, well, you hit that stumbling block again of Rongorongo never having been deciphered, making it unlikely that any of the glyphs are properly known as "bird-man".

As far as "bird-man" being the term for anything, it's the name of the winner of a traditional annual contest held on Easter Island - he becomes the "tangata manu", which translates into "bird-man".  There are some religious elements to it, but overall it sounds more like an Ironman competition.  The winner of the contest is considered "sacred" for only the first five months of the year in which he receives and carries the title.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangata_manu

Unless he or she was speaking Rapa Nui-glish, I'd think it unlikely that a native Rapa Nui speaker would use the word "bird-man" over the name "tangata manu".  This is especially true a thousand years ago, centuries before anyone on Easter Island was exposed to English, despite your claims to the contrary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decipherment_of_rongorongo
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/rongorongo.htm

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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2014, 02:30:59 PM »
 

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Don,

In your series of lectures about subjects your clearly lack any knowledge, from budgets to design elements, the English language and the cult of the Birdman, you reached a point which makes you look extremely silly.

I would strongly suggest that you take a very deep breath and consider how offensive your language may be for people of Easter Island, when you suggest that they change names of their gods to satisfy your bizarre logic.

Putting aside your Wikipedia research which is based on completely false assumptions and includes a lot of wrong information, look at a bigger picture:
What you are saying is that you have a dog named Jesus. In order to avoid any confusion, you are asking Christians to change the names of their gods. I’m not sure what possessed you voice such ideas about the religion of Rapa Nui, but such attitude shows a complete lack of respect to other cultures.

You are incorrect about your IronMan references. I know that because I have an extensive knowledge about the history of Easter Island and I run IronMan triathlon last year, so I know quite a lot about the event.
 

Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2014, 03:03:08 PM »
 

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probably best to resolve this with a rap battle
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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2014, 03:04:00 PM »
 

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probably best to resolve this with a rap battle

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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2014, 03:34:04 PM »
 

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All I know is that Birdman is a killer song by Our Lady Peace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgfgLo5qjDs
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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2014, 07:40:20 PM »
 

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@publius - Enjoyed the video.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li9eSIGqNpE

All I know easter island was an small human experiment of what happens when you use up the resource trees.  Lets build huge stone heads.  Great idea; We have to cut down a lot of trees for that.  To ward the end when a lot of the trees where cut,  lets also put a huge red stone crown on top of the head.  Another great idea; We have to cut down a lot more trees for that.    For some reason the Civilization collapsed when all the trees were gone.  What went wrong, I'm sure they fished a lot. Evidence shows they resorted to cannibalism.  The people they found on the island didn't know what was written on the rocks cos the civilization devolved. 

We used to use wood for Shape(table) and Fuel

We now use oil for Shape(tupperware bowl) and Gas

I'm glade we are using renewables.  Can you imagine a day where we extract oil not for gas but, to make stuff from.  From what I hear oil makes a lot of shit...
 

Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2014, 10:50:32 PM »
 

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sprouts1115,

The culture of Easter Island is often quoted as a striking example of what happens to advanced societies when they push the environment past the breaking point. I’m a huge proponent of renewables; the first campaign featured a t-shirt “go solar,” in RongoRongo and in English.

It is true that the trees were cut. The birds, which provided meat and fertilized the soil, disappeared. The soil eroded, making it very difficult to grow food. The fishing industry disappeared because of the lack of wood.

Popular figures MOAI KAVA KAVA show people at the point of starvation, typically associated with the period before all MOAIs were toppled.

Recent findings change our understanding of this secluded island. Although the use of trees in erecting and transporting huge MOAI statues was probably excessive, it was probably a Polynesian rat, not islanders, which may have been responsible for the destruction of forests.

The rat arrived with the settlers on the canoes and once they landed, with no enemies and lots of palm roots to eat, they exploded in numbers eating and destroying tree after tree. In laboratory setting, Polynesian rat populations can double every 47 days.

Ancient garbage heaps on Easter Island show that 60% of the bones come from introduced rats. It appears that islanders adopted to their eco collapse by substituting typical diet of fish and birds with rats and vegetables (mainly yam) which they grew in the most unusual rock gardens (the rocks provided minerals substituting animal fertilizers which disappeared with birds).
The civilization of Rapa Nui independently developed a system of glyphs, or proto-language RongoRongo. It is an extremely rare event in our entire human history; it happened only a few times. It suggests a highly evolved civilization committing large resources to advance of knowledge.

The largest unfinished MOAI, still attached to the rock at the quarry, weights 270 tons, or 4 Boeing 737s. Moving such colossal structures throughout the island required extreme level of engineering.

The islanders survived the collapse of their environment, but their civilization was never the same. What destroyed the island was the visit from the Europeans, introducing viruses like flu, followed by slave traders from Peru which raided the island on many occasions.

The descendants of this amazing civilization were gathered on a small patch of land; the balance of the island was taken over by a large sheep farm.

The people of Rapa Nui continue to fight for their land which was confiscated on so many occasions. They are extremely proud of their rich heritage, which includes the MOAI status, RongoRongo glyphs, Birdman and MakeMake religion.
 

Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2014, 11:50:46 PM »
 

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I’m a huge proponent of renewables; the first campaign featured a t-shirt “go solar,” in RongoRongo and in English.

Show me an English to Rongorongo dictionary that shows the glyphs which mean "go solar".  Books authored by you don't count.  Such a book would be a miracle of the ages, considering that the glyphs HAVEN'T BEEN TRANSLATED TO ANY LANGUAGE SUCCESSFULLY since they were discovered in the 1860s...

Kid, you've got a pretty good patter, but I've got fresh batteries in my BS detector and the needle's in the red.
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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2014, 04:11:30 AM »
 

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Round 2. Get it on!

Tomas,  your resume of past work seems a tad intense.  Is all of that work you have completed?
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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #42 on: September 05, 2014, 10:11:26 AM »
 

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Don,

You have been consistently wrong about everything you commented about. What I didn’t suspect from the fellow New Yorker is a complete lack of humor; we tend to be quite funny in this town.

“Go solar” consists of two glyphs: a running man (Go) and the glyph of the Sun (solar). Put them together and you got “Go solar.” Since its RongoRongo, there is another message there: don’t cut all your trees (eco collapse on Easter Island), use Solar Energy. So that’s not only funny, it’s also educational :-)

Let me stop you before you make fool of yourself commenting about another shirt: “vegetarian.” It’s a fellow with a bunch of vegetables in RongoRongo glyphs. Do we know that for sure? Of course not, but that’s not the point. The last glyph is most likely a yam, the most common vegetable on the island a while back.
 

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« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2014, 10:26:42 AM »
 

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Not only I completed all work listed in my resume, I completed thousands of projects which are not mentioned there.

On Crown Royal labels and packaging I had to hand design, pixel by pixel, the rope for each label and packaging size.
I think I spent a few days drawing those damn ropes, one strand at the time.
We spent a week selecting the script typeface for the copy.
In the end they were all rejected and I had to hand design a new typeface for use on Crown Royal labels.
This is one of the first tests of the label
 

BIRDMAN SURPRISE
« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2014, 10:38:27 AM »
 

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This Saturday at noon EST we open add-on pledges for hand made wooden boxes for playing cards with a secret method of accessing the compartment inside:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/matifu/rongorongo-2/posts/975665

The boxes will be available through our RongoRongo Backers website only.
The links and details will be provided in Comments section of the campaign before noon on Saturday
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« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2014, 02:21:51 AM »
 

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Don,

You have been consistently wrong about everything you commented about. What I didn’t suspect from the fellow New Yorker is a complete lack of humor; we tend to be quite funny in this town.

“Go solar” consists of two glyphs: a running man (Go) and the glyph of the Sun (solar). Put them together and you got “Go solar.” Since its RongoRongo, there is another message there: don’t cut all your trees (eco collapse on Easter Island), use Solar Energy. So that’s not only funny, it’s also educational :-)

Let me stop you before you make fool of yourself commenting about another shirt: “vegetarian.” It’s a fellow with a bunch of vegetables in RongoRongo glyphs. Do we know that for sure? Of course not, but that’s not the point. The last glyph is most likely a yam, the most common vegetable on the island a while back.

I have an awesome sense of humor.  But faking stuff isn't very funny, not to me at least.

"Do we know that for sure? Of course not, but that's not the point."  No one knows what ANY of the glyphs are for sure, and yes, that IS the point!  You admit as much in that sentence but continue offering us made-up glyph translations.  As far as yams being the most common vegetable "a while back" - that was hundreds of years ago!  Short of making a chemical analysis of the soil and some educated guesses, there's no way to know anything about the vegetation of the time.  It rots, it decomposes, it turns to soil, it becomes lost to time.

If you want to make up names and meanings for the glyphs to make a pretty project, I have no problem with that - I encourage it, even, especially if you're doing it for fun.  But trying to claim knowledge of things no one living today knows is a bit too much to swallow (even with some yam juice to wash it down)...  Be truthful with your backers - the expression "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit" will only get you so far before someone starts to smell what you're offering.
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Re: RongoRongo (KS)
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2014, 08:39:47 AM »
 

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Don,

You have been spreading misinformation about this campaign from the day one and you clearly have an agenda to see our campaign disappear.

We are not going anywhere, kid.

I don’t give Polynesian rat’s butt about your bizarre theories and your pompous and bigoted attitude toward other cultures.

The misunderstanding and faking you describe comes from your laziness, not from our campaign. You are the person who refuses to read more than one paragraph of copy before offering pretentious theories about subjects beyond your understanding. We don’t claim any knowledge about RongoRongo. In our second paragraph describing the subject, we clearly state that RongoRongo “continues to evade code breakers and most of it remains a mystery.”

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« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2014, 08:41:07 AM »
 

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The Birdman Boxes with a secret opening combination for 1-deck will be available today in a limited quantities at:

http://matifu.com/rongorongo/bbox.html

starting at noon EST, Saturday, Sept. 6.
 

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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2014, 09:40:36 AM »
 

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Won't be backing this deck simply because I don't like certain peoples arrogant attitudes and I'm with Don on this.  I especially don't like the fact that he pulled the "BIGOT" card.     :o
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« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2014, 09:55:28 AM »
 

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Won't be backing this deck simply because I don't like certain peoples arrogant attitudes and I'm with Don on this.  I especially don't like the fact that he pulled the "BIGOT" card.     :o

I agree. Backing a project is more than just backing a design, it's supporting the designer too. If the designer has a foul attitude, why should I back their project?! I'm not going to support someone who disrespects others.

Also, not a fan of the design.
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