Is Mark Stutzman still involved? The back design will tell all.

I am very excited about these. It seems like the good decks just keep rolling in. Zenith, Independence, this, Smith #3, just to name a few. I am very glad I have a paying job that allows me to pick them up.

The box got me sold. Like the colors used. This and gatorbacks are on my to get list

I want a minimum of two bricks of these!

I'm genuinely interested in knowing whether the cardstock and coating is going to be exactly the same as the V2 Legends, and whether there is going to be a difference.

Whatever the case, quality wise they are leaps and bounds ahead of USPCC, and so I'll be buying them anyway.

The Legends Playing Card Company and the Expert Playing Card Company both use the same printer in Taiwan to do their work now.  Expert has used other printers in the past, but not Legends.  Legends is also taking print jobs from deck designers, predominantly from Asia, in much the same way Expert works in North America.  They appear to work together rather than as competitors.

In other words, rest assured they're likely to be using the same process and stock - or something improved!

Hey Don.

I'm fully aware of the fact that the Legends Playing Card Company and CARC/EPCC work together alot, and are not competitors -- I've always kept a close eye on anything LPPC related ever since the first teaser photo of the Legends V1 were released.

When talking about what to expect from stocks/finishes for this deck, I guess I wasn't too clear...

Although EPCC do work together with LPPC, the stock for the Exquisites is definitely different to the stock for say the Fatboy or Legends V2 decks. Yes, both are high quality... but they are NOT exactly the same in their handling -- some will prefer one to the other.

I personally prefer the V2 Legends -- the cardstock is definitely thicker, the I find them to have a better slip factor. Also, the Legends V2 last a heck of a lot longer than the Exquisites (for me, anyway). They're definitely not the same though.

I guess what I was trying to ask was which of those two stocks will this new version of Legends be using... or if it is something different (or an upgrade, kind of like from V1 to V2 Legends), which of the stocks (master or diamond) will the new stock be closer to?

Actually, the Legends v2 and the Exquisites did use the same stock, though the process by which they were made had a slight variation.  This is coming from Bill Kalush himself, when the two decks were a day from release and I was visiting CARC.  He was kind enough to give me a few decks - in his own assessment, and I think he mentioned Lawrence Sullivan agreed, the v2 Legends were very good, but the Exquisites were slightly better.  Further, he said the red Exquisite deck wasn't quite as good in performance as the blue deck was.

Legends Playing Card Company is LPCC, right?  You've been using LPPC and it's been confusing me a little until now.

The one thing I can tell you is that they have a source for paper from Germany, and that stock is part of the "recipe" that makes a Legends or an Expert deck what it is.  There's also the quality of the printing and the experimentation that Bill does to improve the state of "what's possible" where it comes to making cards.

If you want to know more or have more questions, you can contact the new "company rep" account on the company topic, among the sticky topics we have now.  Even if your question is about the Legends decks, they'll give you the best possible answer.

Quote from: Don Boyer on April 18, 2014, 11:50:49 PM

Legends is also taking print jobs from deck designers, predominantly from Asia, in much the same way Expert works in North America. 

And the UK

Will you be stocking these Paul? If so, when?

There's already a thread for this.

Other than that, looks great! If everything goes well on my side than this might be my first Legends deck.

Quote from: Yashi on June 26, 2014, 04:15:30 AM

There's already a thread for this.

Other than that, looks great! If everything goes well on my side than this might be my first Legends deck.

Could you show me that thread?  I'd like to merge them, after I give them a look-see...

They have already been merged.  I posted the back design as a new thread.  Someone kindly merged them. 

Not 100% sure exactly when these are being released
I've been playing with mine for a couple of weeks now and they handle really nice. Nice clean edges. Faro both ways after a tiny bit of breaking in.
The tuck is really thick & strong. Bits of the tuck really pop because of the foil etc.
here are some pics I took. There not the best so apologies in advance!!
I'm sure you will like the decks when they are finally released.   

Egyptians

Ooooo shiny did u pick yours up from aboard? looks very nice, defo looking forward to these

Ok, they are nice and all.........but the number is trademarked? Really? All by itself? And putting that all that trademark text on the AoS .... Gosh.

Pass.

It's not the AoS you're seeing, it's the tuck box - the tiny TM symbol is directly next to the title, which IS a trademark.    The brand number may or may not be a trademark, I'm not sure, but it's not labeled as such in this image.  If it is, I'm sure it's only in the context of being part of the title, i.e., "Legends No. 202" as opposed to simply the number 202 all by itself.  Otherwise, USPC might make a stink over the following...

The 202 is really just a stock number, pretty much superfluous in the age of the barcode, and stock numbers such as these are retained by a lot of card makers only out of traditional and nostalgia.