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CBJ · « **on:** December 04, 2011, 07:35:14 AM »

Yet another deck from Merz67 in this Series... when will it end?

CBJ

loldudex2 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2011, 08:55:35 AM »

Series 1 = Cool
Series 2&3 = Annoying
Series 4 = Terrible

phantom1412 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 2011, 10:52:51 AM »

I think they are all terrible.

Jin Jian · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2011, 01:31:47 PM »

i might buy it for the money monte gimmick and i love USA and since i cant visit there maybe just have a deck of it

Lushbob · « **Reply #4 on:** December 04, 2011, 01:41:32 PM »

Quote from: loldudex2 on December 04, 2011, 08:55:35 AM

Series 1 = Cool
Series 2&3 = Annoying
Series 4 = Terrible

Exactly. I was looking to buy a Series 1 deck (I never did in the end), and I was pretty excited about the next ones coming out. But as soon as I saw them, I was kinda disappointed.

Jin Jian · « **Reply #5 on:** December 05, 2011, 12:45:37 AM »

i just think that the back design look very cool .. dun you guys think so

Kanped · « **Reply #6 on:** December 05, 2011, 01:02:19 AM »

Quote from: hawjinjian on December 05, 2011, 12:45:37 AM

i just think that the back design look very cool .. dun you guys think so

Not as cool as literally any rider back that WASN'T recoloured by Merz. His work devalues the cards; these are worth about a dollar per deck. Seriously; save your money and get a different deck. Most of them are made in America, anyway.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #7 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:16:33 AM »

Oh. My. God.

Someone please stop this man, Merz67, before my eyes start to bleed.

I've never truly designed a thing in my life, and I could design a better deck that this. Blind-folded, even. So could a roomful of monkeys flinging poop at each other. It's the most insanely unimaginative Bicycle deck I've ever had the misfortune to set eyes upon. Merz67 takes a dash of Microsoft Word clip art, some goofball color tweaks, and that's it, he's made a deck? Perhaps, but not one worth buying, and not one worth my hard-earned bucks. How often do you ever even see a Merz67 deck outside of his own website and eBay store? Almost never, because they suck rotten eggs.

I knew when I got a look at the Tie-Dye deck there was a reason why I never thought it was worth buying. And that's at least as "original" as his most recent works, if not more so.

@hawjinjian - there are a stupendous amount of better decks depicting America, the colors of the flag, etc. then the steaming pile that is the Red, White and Blue series. Don't throw your money away on this when there's so many superior designs around.

Jin Jian · « **Reply #8 on:** December 05, 2011, 05:04:48 AM »

haha ok thank for telling

Jin Jian · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2011, 05:31:44 AM »

i found somthing that will make you all real angry
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Rare-Bicycle-Red-White-Blue-Deck-Series-5-Playing-Cards-Magic-Circle-Design-/190608802658?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c612b8362 series 5 has come out .. come on guy it time to get angry !!

phantom1412 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 05, 2011, 08:00:10 AM »

Quote from: hawjinjian on December 05, 2011, 05:31:44 AM

i found somthing that will make you all real angry
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Rare-Bicycle-Red-White-Blue-Deck-Series-5-Playing-Cards-Magic-Circle-Design-/190608802658?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c612b8362 series 5 has come out .. come on guy it time to get angry !!

We don't have to be angry. Let him do what he wants. Just don't buy decks from him and don't hype the decks.
Nothing changes even if we angry.

munro159 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 05, 2011, 11:28:41 AM »

I'm not sure about this and maybe someone who has dealt with USPCC can answer this(Alex). I don't think Merz is shelling out the money for a full run of any of his new decks. I think he is using the Bicycle personalized cards (the ones you get in the add card in most regular bike decks 3-100 decks for $19.99 deck or something like that.) Then list it on ebay for $30-40 dollars a deck. All he has to do is get 10 decks of each printed. He could sell those easily on ebay. I'm wondering why no one else has thought of this (not that I condone this).

CBJ · « **Reply #12 on:** December 05, 2011, 11:33:07 AM »

Quote from: munro159 on December 05, 2011, 11:28:41 AM

I'm not sure about this and maybe someone who has dealt with USPCC can answer this(Alex). I don't think Merz is shelling out the money for a full run of any of his new decks. I think he is using the Bicycle personalized cards (the ones you get in the add card in most regular bike decks 3-100 decks for $19.99 deck or something like that.) Then list it on ebay for $30-40 dollars a deck. All he has to do is get 10 decks of each printed. He could sell those easily on ebay. I'm wondering why no one else has thought of this (not that I condone this).

Those custom decks do not come with custom tuck boxes.

Kanped · « **Reply #13 on:** December 05, 2011, 01:25:08 PM »

So, someone in the USPCC is letting him print 10 decks? There's no way he's printing 5000 of these each; that would mean he's printed like 60k cards in the past year, with many (slightly) different designs. He's doing runs of 10 on these.

munro159 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:35:14 PM »

USPCC must have different policies for different people. I thought the current minimum for custom printing was 5000 decks. I can't believe Merz would print 5000 decks each of these designs. The only other explaination I can think of is USPCC means a limit of 5000 decks in total not 5000 decks of 1 design. In other words maybe he could order 500 decks of 10 different designs. Either that or he knows someone at the company

Lushbob · « **Reply #15 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:39:25 PM »

Quote from: munro159 on December 05, 2011, 02:35:14 PM

The only other explaination I can think of is USPCC means a limit of 5000 decks in total not 5000 decks of 1 design. In other words maybe he could order 500 decks of 10 different designs.

Huh. I'd never thought of it like that. I think it'd be unlikely, but it's definitely a possibility. If so, how come no one else has taken advantage of it?

munro159 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:45:22 PM »

I'm assuming he knows someone at the company. Also I've been thinking about this recently, We've seen a few releases recently that have been hyped as under 5000 produced. The most recent I can think of is the Bicycle Apollo. The only thing I could think of was they were splitting the production runs.

CBJ · « **Reply #17 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:49:08 PM »

There's also the possibility that he might have connections at USPCC, or might be a past employee

He does live in Cincinnati, Ohio

as you can tell by his auctions

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190608802658&category=19085&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

munro159 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:55:01 PM »

what if...hypothetically...he does have connections at USPCC. Maybe they cut him some kind of deal to test market these decks before bicycle does a million print run on them. I mean none of these decks are revolutionary in design. In fact they look like something someone threw together to do a test run.

Lushbob · « **Reply #19 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:04:13 PM »

Quote from: munro159 on December 05, 2011, 02:55:01 PM

what if...hypothetically...he does have connections at USPCC. Maybe they cut him some kind of deal to test market these decks before bicycle does a million print run on them. I mean none of these decks are revolutionary in design. In fact they look like something someone threw together to do a test run.

They do look just like that! And it's possible, but I doubt it. This has never happened before, and why would they test the decks through him? But hey, it could be happening.

Kanped · « **Reply #20 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:06:43 PM »

Nah, these aren't test decks; they're clipart and recolours he's made himself and he only usually sells... well, none but he usually only puts 10 up for sale. I highly doubt he has thousands, hundreds or even a single 1 more deck of anything he's 'designed' than what he has for sale i.e., someone is letting him do 10 deck runs.

I just noticed; the jokers on series 5; one depicts the New York skyline with the twin towers clearly visible and the other is a commercial airliner. Seriously, that's messed up.

munro159 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:18:47 PM »

I was just brainstorming to make some kind of sense out of this. I agree with you he is getting some kind of deal with USPCC. I was thinking bicycle was letting him throw these clipart decks together to sell on ebay so they could get some free marketing strategy. Ex. Americana decks sell...Zebra decks don't (I don't know if either deck sold just making an example). Obviously someone at USPCC is paying attention to the cardistry community and what sells. Its not coincidence that Bicycle is coming out with a steampunk deck.

CBJ · « **Reply #22 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:41:17 PM »

I think you guys are getting a little carried away with the conspiracy theory. lol

I would imagine it's smaller runs.

There are a billion different possibilities.

The one I believe is this...

He has connections/history at USPCC. He approached them about making 12 different decks (he's released 10 already NOT INCLUDING the Tie Dye). I would say 500-1000 of each at a premium price... instead of the $2.50-4 out the door price, maybe he pays $8-10. That's my theory.

either way, it's too many deck at those prices.

I would purchase these decks if they were 5 bucks each.

Oh well, there are lots of other decks I can purchase with my money

CBJ

munro159 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 05, 2011, 04:17:24 PM »

I know...I know...sorry about the theories. Just trying to pass the time at work. Well that and been watching way to much "Decoded" on the history channel!

Lushbob · « **Reply #24 on:** December 05, 2011, 04:18:18 PM »

That sounds pretty reasonable, actually. But yeah, no way do I think they're worth it at all. I'd only buy them if they were $5, and even then I'd be hesitant.