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Title: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 10:58:31 AM
Hi
I just want to know what you think about the next Smoke and Mirrors Edition, the v7 Carbon Fiber.

here is a link with some information about them:

http://thecardist.net/newspost/v7-carbon-fiber/
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 09, 2011, 11:00:33 AM
Totally awesome.
I would buy them for sure.
But the thing is there is no official announce yet if this is gonna be v7 or not.
D&D said in the facebook just "may be"
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on October 09, 2011, 11:00:41 AM
Hi
I just want to know what you think about the next Smoke and Mirrors Edition, the v7 Carbon Fiber.

here is a link with some information about them:

http://thecardist.net/newspost/v7-carbon-fiber/
Awesome! Ive seen that info about it. Looks great!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
Totally awesome.
I would buy them for sure.
But the thing is there is no official announce yet if this is gonna be v7 or not.
D&D said in the facebook just "may be"

I hope they do it, probably my last chance to get a brick cheap :)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 09, 2011, 11:10:14 AM
The site will crash harder I'm sure.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 11:16:32 AM
The site will crash harder I'm sure.

When this will be definitely the last version then it will crash for sure
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 09, 2011, 11:18:18 AM
The site will crash harder I'm sure.

When this will be definitely the last version then it will crash for sure

This will be the last, or maybe the v6 is already the last.
We can't be sure for that.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 11:20:53 AM
I really hope they gonna release the v7
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 09, 2011, 11:22:13 AM
I really hope they gonna release the v7

Whatever they will, I'm waiting for it.
But please don't be too fast, I need to save some money
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 11:25:44 AM
me too, first the vortex deck, then some other cards like the devos and the new ellusionist cards and after that the v7 would be great ;)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Curt on October 09, 2011, 11:26:38 AM
I actually would not like them to release a v7. It is time for a change, they need a re design, they need to put more effort into a deck than just changing the colour 3 ( if they do a v7, 4 times ). Saying that, I would most likely buy v7's if they were released but I would not be excited for them to release unless they completely redesigned the deck. 
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: loldudex2 on October 09, 2011, 11:31:39 AM
I like black decks though, because they are 1000x more elegant.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 11:36:13 AM
I actually would not like them to release a v7. It is time for a change, they need a re design, they need to put more effort into a deck than just changing the colour 3 ( if they do a v7, 4 times ). Saying that, I would most likely buy v7's if they were released but I would not be excited for them to release unless they completely redesigned the deck.

I really like the design of the v1-v3, it would be great if they would always change their main design after 3 version,
so after the v3 a new design, after the v6 a new design and later after the v9 again a new design, but like they said that the smoke and mirrors series will end soon I don't think there will be a v8 or maybe don't even a v7
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 09, 2011, 11:46:56 AM
It's v7 carbon fiber, or no more SM series.
I think it's time to start a new set.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: loldudex2 on October 09, 2011, 12:27:21 PM
They are kinda running out of colors for the "Smoke and Mirrors" series.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 12:35:00 PM
They are kinda running out of colors for the "Smoke and Mirrors" series.

orange, purple, gold and silver would be nice but I think it wouldn't be as elegant as the other colors. except gold and silver
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on October 09, 2011, 02:10:03 PM
i don't think they are going to release another smoke and mirror deck, but if they do i hope they totally change up the design.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 02:14:38 PM
i don't think they are going to release another smoke and mirror deck, but if they do i hope they totally change up the design.

yeah just change the color is a bit boring after 3 versions
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on October 09, 2011, 02:19:35 PM
yeah just change the color is a bit boring after 3 versions

especially when the "color" is black. I mean you would think they would put a little more effort into it then that.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 02:24:15 PM
especially when the "color" is black. I mean you would think they would put a little more effort into it then that.

exactly, a bit more creativity would be great
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on October 09, 2011, 02:29:01 PM
i wonder when these cards are going to come out. i fount these pictures on the DnD forum.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 02:37:16 PM
Maybe they will be released after the smoke and mirrors v7 but it is more a rumor
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Kanped on October 09, 2011, 03:59:54 PM
Those look really nice, I think.  Very Victorian.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on October 09, 2011, 04:00:56 PM
Ehh its not my style but if they are limited, I will get some
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: RF on October 09, 2011, 04:19:44 PM
Ehh its not my style but if they are limited, I will get some

same here, I don't really like the design, but I would get some for my collection
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 09, 2011, 06:24:10 PM
Whatever it is. If it's D&D's deck, people will go crazy about them
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Curt on October 09, 2011, 08:47:08 PM
This "Fantastique" deck has its pros and cons for me. In my opinion, the front box art is awesome but I feel the back art is lacking a bit. The back looks to divided, it is too obvious that it is just a mirrored image on the top and bottom and not tied together nicely like other custom decks. I like the style of art that is used but thats just a personal taste. I will defiantly pick up a deck or two of these when they are released whether or not they are limited or not. But I would expect they are limited, seeing as Dan and Dave don't have any continual production decks.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 19, 2011, 11:13:45 AM
Ehh its not my style but if they are limited, I will get some
haha same here
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on October 19, 2011, 03:18:41 PM
lol I guess theres just a lot of mixed opinions about the Fantastique deck
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 19, 2011, 03:39:16 PM
I actually like the looks of the "V7". I would buy more of those then the Fant deck that is rumored.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on October 19, 2011, 03:40:41 PM
I actually like the looks of the "V7". I would buy more of those then the Fant deck that is rumored.
The Fantastique Deck isn't a rumor. Its legit. I don't know why you guys are saying its a rumor
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 19, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
Many a proto decks floating around...until I see a deck for official sell, it be only rumor
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 20, 2011, 03:49:15 AM
Many a proto decks floating around...until I see a deck for official sell, it be only rumor

It's not a rumor, there is already officail picture from D&D showing the side of the deck.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: VortexHead on October 20, 2011, 03:55:07 AM
The Fantastique deck is illustrated by Sveta Dorosheva & has been revealed in the variety box 3 picture, if you find her/his (not sure) artwork online you'll see the resemblance to the fantastique deck. My guess is these will be released before v7.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 20, 2011, 04:00:45 AM
I guess it's coming this friday.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: VortexHead on October 20, 2011, 04:08:29 AM
Yeh there's a very good chance they'll be released friday but then again dnd often make us think one thing and then we nd up guessing the wrong thing. Maybe it'll just be a revamp of the site and then they'll also announce release dates for new products.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 20, 2011, 04:43:59 AM
Yeh there's a very good chance they'll be released friday but then again dnd often make us think one thing and then we nd up guessing the wrong thing. Maybe it'll just be a revamp of the site and then they'll also announce release dates for new products.

You made my down with that guess :(
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 20, 2011, 05:03:44 AM
Perhaps when I said "until is see an official SELL it be only rumor" I wasn't clear on my opinion. An official "picture" is not an official "sell"...so is still only rumor.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 20, 2011, 05:33:52 AM
Perhaps when I said "until is see an official SELL it be only rumor" I wasn't clear on my opinion. An official "picture" is not an official "sell"...so is still only rumor.

Then what do you mean by the word rumor?
It's already proved to be true by D&D released the deck's photo.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 20, 2011, 05:57:11 AM
Ok seriously, I'm not going any further into the rumor thing. Put a damn deck in my hand and I will be like " awesome! They are real. " let me put it this way...Vortex has shown us proto decks, if they were to pull out of production the Vortex deck would still technically still exist...I am saying the deck could be proto and thus nothing more than a rumor of things to come or what might have been.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 20, 2011, 10:25:45 AM
Then what do you mean by the word rumor?
It's already proved to be true by D&D released the deck's photo.

when will the deck be coming out
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 20, 2011, 11:28:57 AM
when will the deck be coming out

There is no official announce about that yet.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 20, 2011, 01:34:13 PM
Official release hopefully will happen once the countdown hits 0
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 21, 2011, 02:50:00 AM
Official release hopefully will happen once the countdown hits 0
i thought the countdown is for the lightbox??
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 21, 2011, 04:11:59 AM
i thought the countdown is for the lightbox??

The name lightbox is just a guess from a guy. Not the official annouce.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 21, 2011, 05:02:58 AM
I'm not sure what lightbox is. If somewhere in this release is the V7 I will be  :D
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 21, 2011, 08:31:52 AM
I'm not sure what lightbox is. If somewhere in this release is the V7 I will be  :D
i am not sure if i can stay for the dan and dave annoucement it is 5am in my country
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 21, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
i am not sure if i can stay for the dan and dave annoucement it is 5am in my country

Where do you live?. It's 4am at my place.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 21, 2011, 09:49:38 AM
I think it around 3pm my time
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 21, 2011, 10:43:54 PM
Where do you live?. It's 4am at my place.
ps i think is 3am in my country not 5 lol my math fail .. i live in singapore ....now the release is the V3 90+ i not enough to buy
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on October 22, 2011, 12:51:21 AM
Well the countdown is over an no word about V7  :'(
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 22, 2011, 01:02:58 AM
Well the countdown is over an no word about V7  :'(
ya i think the V7 will not be out so soon yet
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on October 22, 2011, 01:05:20 AM
ya i think the V7 will not be out so soon yet
I was thinking the same thing. I didnt expect them to say anything about it today
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 22, 2011, 01:30:37 AM
V7 should be next year I think.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 22, 2011, 01:36:17 AM
I was thinking the same thing. I didnt expect them to say anything about it today
hi 5 i was thinknign that V3 was coming out and not V7 before they are out
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 22, 2011, 08:09:36 AM
The V7 is the only deck that I am wanting to see from D&D...I already knew about the Fantasique
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on October 22, 2011, 09:26:07 AM
D&D looks good but i dont know what i should buy from them i made a thread more about it and i just dont want to waste my money on something i think is good but its not..
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 22, 2011, 06:03:36 PM
absolutely makes sense....I just got my first deck of V5 in today, awesome!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 22, 2011, 08:22:35 PM
absolutely makes sense....I just got my first deck of V5 in today, awesome!
ya i just got my v5 recently too but i just just cant open it... i just dun want to take the cellophane out
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 23, 2011, 02:26:29 AM
I did and they are amazing. I plan on getting at least 1 more, so I could open this one
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: EduardTodor on October 23, 2011, 04:39:53 AM
SWEET!!! I missed out on the v6's. So getting theese!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: austin on October 23, 2011, 04:43:13 AM
S&M V7's I thought V6's were there last one.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: EduardTodor on October 23, 2011, 04:49:54 AM
Yeah, thats what D&D said...obviously not..
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 23, 2011, 05:04:24 AM
S&M V7's I thought V6's were there last one.
Yeah, thats what D&D said...obviously not..
v6 was the last colour edition now the v7 is the black one
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: EduardTodor on October 23, 2011, 05:09:41 AM
Oh right!K thanks
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 23, 2011, 05:58:16 AM
Oh right!K thanks
haha welcome i also get this information on this forum so try to read more
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 23, 2011, 09:40:59 AM
v6 was the last colour edition now the v7 is the black one

No one sure about v7 yet.
D&D did said "maybe" in facebook.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: austin on October 23, 2011, 10:08:50 AM
Ok, If they do come out with these I will get some.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 23, 2011, 10:33:40 AM
No one sure about v7 yet.
D&D did said "maybe" in facebook.
i got a feeling~ feelling that the deck will be coming out ~~
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on October 23, 2011, 05:43:28 PM
Haha yea I'm pretty sure this deck will be released
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 23, 2011, 06:10:48 PM
It would not make sense for the 7 not to come out. It has already been made
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 23, 2011, 08:27:18 PM
It would not make sense for the 7 not to come out. It has already been made
how do you know?? the protoype deck or the real deck
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on October 23, 2011, 09:31:55 PM
Well there was the sneak peak of it in the v6 deck. The black card that was included in v6 is what v7 will supposedly look like.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 23, 2011, 10:01:20 PM
I think he said it's already been made is that he meant about the cards in v6 box. Not the real v7 are printed by uspcc. Which means the back of the cards are designed. We are just waiting for suitable time for v7 to come out.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 23, 2011, 10:14:46 PM
I think he said it's already been made is that he meant about the cards in v6 box. Not the real v7 are printed by uspcc. Which means the back of the cards are designed. We are just waiting for suitable time for v7 to come out.
ok ok i get it i am really really very excited
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 24, 2011, 01:38:38 PM
That is what I meant. They have already given us the design and color, so basically they are just sitting on it waiting for the right time to release.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 24, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
Yeah, they have to wait for us to save more money to spend on them. Haha
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on October 24, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
Well v6 wasn't that long ago, they want to wait.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Jin Jian on October 25, 2011, 04:46:32 AM
i guess it might be released next year or ending of this year. GUESS ar
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 25, 2011, 05:43:12 AM
Aren't their deck releases somewhere around 8 months in between?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on October 25, 2011, 07:25:23 AM
Aren't their deck releases somewhere around 8 months in between?

The last one is about 6 months. So may be we could see v7 at february
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sinsandman on October 27, 2011, 08:13:58 AM
That is fine with me. They could even wait until mid next year. Give time for the dust to settle from what is going on now with all the decks bein released. It would be nice to just be able to kick back for a few months and save up for the V7. I would like to be able to buy a good amount of them.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: junjie04 on October 27, 2011, 09:29:14 AM
The last one is about 6 months. So may be we could see v7 at february

No, the last one is 8 months, i have the invoice for both orders.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: CBJ on June 15, 2012, 06:02:54 PM
Coming soon...

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/398958_10150900050428892_1780852597_n.jpg)

CBJ
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on June 15, 2012, 06:33:00 PM
Well I think we all knew it was going to be a black version...
It looks good but I was really hoping for a new back design.

As for that clip.. I love it! It looks absolutely awesome!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on June 15, 2012, 10:54:24 PM
Wow! What a mysterious teaser! I can't wait for the Carbon edition to come out. It's been about time.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: NathanCanadas on June 16, 2012, 02:48:55 AM
Quote from Don from a while ago:
"We'll see the hype machine coming from a mile way." Well, here it comes. Hopefully it won't be as bad as many other releases of theirs. It looks like it'll be another beautiful deck (with black and white courts?), and they will sell out quickly!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on June 16, 2012, 03:05:55 AM
I've given up on Dan and Dave's playing cards.  No longer interested in buying them.  Their books are another story altogether.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on June 16, 2012, 11:57:35 AM
 it honestly doesnt matter what color these would have been; they handle to damn well to pass on. doubt i will even attempt to get a brick of them though considering i haven't even totally worn out one of the v6 decks.

the clip is SWEET!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: LeonJL on June 16, 2012, 01:23:13 PM
Seriously, after 3 versions of recoloring, I think it's just plain lazy that they're releasing yet another color. No doubt the handling of S&Ms are great, but if they keep releasing the same back design colored differently, along with the recolored simplified court cards, I don't see the reason in getting these.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: NathanCanadas on June 16, 2012, 08:16:41 PM
Seriously, after 3 versions of recoloring, I think it's just plain lazy that they're releasing yet another color. No doubt the handling of S&Ms are great, but if they keep releasing the same back design colored differently, along with the recolored simplified court cards, I don't see the reason in getting these.
I kinda agree. Plus, what will the coloring be on a B&W version? Black and White? Cuz that would suck. The cards handle very well, and I parted with a brick of V6s and a v5 recently, I first regreted it, but now I don't anymore.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on June 17, 2012, 12:51:55 AM
Seriously, after 3 versions of recoloring, I think it's just plain lazy that they're releasing yet another color. No doubt the handling of S&Ms are great, but if they keep releasing the same back design colored differently, along with the recolored simplified court cards, I don't see the reason in getting these.
I kinda agree. Plus, what will the coloring be on a B&W version? Black and White? Cuz that would suck. The cards handle very well, and I parted with a brick of V6s and a v5 recently, I first regreted it, but now I don't anymore.

The new deck, assuming a black back, would likely have a grayscale color scheme to it.  Why not?  It worked for Lance Miller and his Actuators - Black and White Editions!  Always on the cutting edge of imita-- oops, I meant innovation...  :))

I can think of several decks that handle just as well as if not better than the recent S&M releases.  It's boring as hell for them to just keep churning out the same deck, over and over, with a new color scheme each time and everything else remains the same.  I thought we got tired of that after the multiple colored Bicycle decks?  It's not like they have some kind of magical stock - despite some claims I've heard of them having some wholly unique stock, there's pretty much two possibilities.  Bee and Bee Casino are too stiff, so they're either Bicycle or Aristocrat.  If forced to decide, I'd guess they're using Aristocrat.  Woo AND hoo.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on June 19, 2012, 09:44:20 AM
id love to see the over sized courts that they used on the magic con decks used on the v7's, but that's probably not going to happen
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: LeonJL on June 19, 2012, 09:35:27 PM
id love to see the over sized courts that they used on the magic con decks used on the v7's, but that's probably not going to happen

I very much doubt so. Like Don said, they'll probably take the simplified court cards S&Ms are known for and give it a grey scale color scheme to it. as for the jokers, I wonder if it'll be 2 colors like it was in the v6. 1 grey and 1 black perhaps? anyhow, still just a recolored deck. Nothing special, enough said.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on June 20, 2012, 01:17:31 PM
Someon posted this on facebook but I dont think it's real.

Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on June 20, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Who may this someone be? Is it the twins? Or maybe Brad Fulton? Link us to the page, if you can, for us to see.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: -kakos98- on June 20, 2012, 03:48:42 PM
I want so much this deck but i think they have to change the court cards. A good idea is to do the same as in the magic con deck. They were very nice without borders!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on June 20, 2012, 04:03:01 PM
I want so much this deck but i think they have to change the court cards. A good idea is to do the same as in the magic con deck. They were very nice without borders!!!!!!!!!!!

Although you may like it for them to change the design of their court cards, I highly doubt that's going to happen with this deck. I mean, after nearly 10 decks from the Smoke & Mirror line, none of them being changed, just recolored, what makes you think their going to start with this one? Who knows though. Dan and Dave is always unexpected.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on June 20, 2012, 08:36:30 PM
I'd rather not say who but I will say that the person does not work for or with D&D.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on June 21, 2012, 09:46:44 AM
I'd rather not say who but I will say that the person does not work for or with D&D.


Well, it might well be real.  But look at what's there.


Smoke and Mirrors, v6 - check.
Black D&D card from Smoke and Mirrors, v6 - check.  (Remember that card?)
Similar card in white - check.


Did ANY of the previous S&M releases have a card like this white one?  I've only got from versions 4 through 6.


If so, there you have it, it's real, but has nothing to do with S&M v7.
If not, then maybe the guy photoshopped that one card, but the rest is legit.  And it STILL has nothing to do with v7.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: MSimonart on June 21, 2012, 11:55:46 AM
I'm really waiting for these cards to come out. I'll certainly have a brick. And why would they have a white deck of Smoke and Mirrors v7? It almost looks exactly like the first versions...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: NathanCanadas on June 21, 2012, 03:08:00 PM
I'd rather not say who but I will say that the person does not work for or with D&D.


Well, it might well be real.  But look at what's there.


Smoke and Mirrors, v6 - check.
Black D&D card from Smoke and Mirrors, v6 - check.  (Remember that card?)
Similar card in white - check.


Did ANY of the previous S&M releases have a card like this white one?  I've only got from versions 4 through 6.


If so, there you have it, it's real, but has nothing to do with S&M v7.
If not, then maybe the guy photoshopped that one card, but the rest is legit.  And it STILL has nothing to do with v7.
I agree with you Don. I thought the exact same thing. However, if this is the last S&M the buck twins  get out, I wouldn't be surprised to see a white version, looking a bit different from the original v1-3s. Or maybe just a white extra card, just like the v6 had a black one.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: john on July 25, 2012, 06:44:17 PM
New photo: (http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/528898_10150982088033892_699764372_n.jpg)

For anyone wondering this isn't a v4. While the 1st edition v4's did have seals they were more elongated then square.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: thanamagic on July 25, 2012, 08:37:19 PM
 :D Awesome!! i want this deck !!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: austin on July 25, 2012, 08:45:15 PM
So do I, I dont own any of the series so I plan to get some V'7s carbon edition when they come out.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on July 25, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
New photo: (http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/528898_10150982088033892_699764372_n.jpg)

For anyone wondering this isn't a v4. While the 1st edition v4's did have seals they were more elongated then square.
thats a v4. without a doubt. the stickers are not elongated none of the custom seals are
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: vmagic on July 25, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
I agree, that picture is probably fake unless somebody has seen it on the D&D Facebook or Instagram pages.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: john on July 25, 2012, 11:08:55 PM
I agree, that picture is probably fake unless somebody has seen it on the D&D Facebook or Instagram pages.

http://instagram.com/p/NgxUzQK9ep/
This enough proof?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: loldudex2 on July 25, 2012, 11:39:51 PM
Look at the comments people. Both @bucktwins and @bradsamuelfulton announced it's te green v4.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: xela on July 26, 2012, 12:01:38 AM
Look at the comments people. Both @bucktwins and @bradfulton announced it's te green v4.
Nice investigating.

So I take it there is still a good chance we get to have a sexy, new design in the SM series this year?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on July 26, 2012, 02:27:27 AM
I'd like to bring up two thing here guys.
1. A comment that has not gotten much publicity at all was on Dan and Dave's twitter, they stated that this is the last of the smoke and mirrors.

2. Why would they put a v4 on top and the v6 and v5 on bottom, a small thing, but a tell tale sign.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on July 26, 2012, 08:17:40 AM
I'd like to bring up two thing here guys.
1. A comment that has not gotten much publicity at all was on Dan and Dave's twitter, they stated that this is the last of the smoke and mirrors.

2. Why would they put a v4 on top and the v6 and v5 on bottom, a small thing, but a tell tale sign.


1. It would no surprise me one bit if they changed their minds on this if they have strong sales on v7.


2. Tell tale sign?  Of what?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on July 26, 2012, 08:22:29 AM
Yes, it's a V4 but why would they make it look black? They're clearly hinting at a black v7.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on July 26, 2012, 09:33:01 AM
Yes, it's a V4 but why would they make it look black? They're clearly hinting at a black v7.


You mean like how the Fulton's Chinatown deck was supposed to be a saturated red color since that's how it looked in the photo, but the actual deck was a disappointing orange-red?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on July 26, 2012, 09:39:11 AM
Yes, it's a V4 but why would they make it look black? They're clearly hinting at a black v7.


You mean like how the Fulton's Chinatown deck was supposed to be a saturated red color since that's how it looked in the photo, but the actual deck was a disappointing orange-red?
It don't even see how these 2 scenarios could be similar...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on July 26, 2012, 10:05:20 AM
Yes, it's a V4 but why would they make it look black? They're clearly hinting at a black v7.


You mean like how the Fulton's Chinatown deck was supposed to be a saturated red color since that's how it looked in the photo, but the actual deck was a disappointing orange-red?
It don't even see how these 2 scenarios could be similar...


You don't see that in both cases, a deck that looked like one thing was actually something else?  Think about it for a little while.


Green deck looks like black deck.
Orange deck looks like red deck.


It's EXACTLY the same, in that sense.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on July 26, 2012, 12:52:17 PM
Aw, that's the old version! It sure had my hopes up. Now that you mention it, they sure are good at teasers, haha! On another note, I would have to agree with Dan & Dave when they say that those three decks would be or are the Greatest Of All Time.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: authorXD on August 04, 2012, 08:28:08 AM
The teaser pics hav special secrets in them... already figured some out...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: junjie04 on August 04, 2012, 09:31:08 AM
The teaser pics hav special secrets in them... already figured some out...

Would you mind sharing?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: NathanCanadas on August 08, 2012, 08:35:21 PM
The teaser pics hav special secrets in them... already figured some out...
Yeah, mind telling us? Here, we share pretty much everything we know, even if it means reducing our chances for a deck contest/giveaway etc. I agree with Don, and I really think this is a smart teaser.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on August 09, 2012, 12:59:54 PM
The teaser pics hav special secrets in them... already figured some out...
Yeah, mind telling us? Here, we share pretty much everything we know, even if it means reducing our chances for a deck contest/giveaway etc. I agree with Don, and I really think this is a smart teaser.


Nathan, when the hell did I say that?  I think its annoying more than anything else.  Just show the freaking product - if it's all that and a bag of chips, it will sell itself.  This just tells me that they're uncertain about their deck being able to stand on its own without being propped up...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on August 09, 2012, 05:12:09 PM
The teaser pics hav special secrets in them... already figured some out...
Yeah, mind telling us? Here, we share pretty much everything we know, even if it means reducing our chances for a deck contest/giveaway etc. I agree with Don, and I really think this is a smart teaser.


Nathan, when the hell did I say that?  I think its annoying more than anything else.  Just show the freaking product - if it's all that and a bag of chips, it will sell itself.  This just tells me that they're uncertain about their deck being able to stand on its own without being propped up...

Don, you'll find that hype is this markets selling point. Smoke and Mirrors are so popular they are self hyped and adding more hype will drive sales.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: NathanCanadas on August 09, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
The teaser pics hav special secrets in them... already figured some out...
Yeah, mind telling us? Here, we share pretty much everything we know, even if it means reducing our chances for a deck contest/giveaway etc. I agree with Don, and I really think this is a smart teaser.


Nathan, when the hell did I say that?  I think its annoying more than anything else.  Just show the freaking product - if it's all that and a bag of chips, it will sell itself.  This just tells me that they're uncertain about their deck being able to stand on its own without being propped up...

Don, you'll find that hype is this markets selling point. Smoke and Mirrors are so popular they are self hyped and adding more hype will drive sales.
Oops, I actually meant Kpop. I think the teaser is funny and a smart ad. And I agree with you on the earlier posts you made explaining why the v4 is there and what it means. However, I also agree that it would be nice for us to finally see the cards and/or a release date. And sure, J&T, hype increases sales, but when they are such a big company, I think that creating hype BY showing the cards would be even sarter and more attractive to us.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on August 11, 2012, 01:54:03 AM

Don, you'll find that hype is this markets selling point. Smoke and Mirrors are so popular they are self hyped and adding more hype will drive sales.
Oops, I actually meant Kpop. I think the teaser is funny and a smart ad. And I agree with you on the earlier posts you made explaining why the v4 is there and what it means. However, I also agree that it would be nice for us to finally see the cards and/or a release date. And sure, J&T, hype increases sales, but when they are such a big company, I think that creating hype BY showing the cards would be even sarter and more attractive to us.

That might have worked when the market had a couple of major players and that was it.  But that's no longer the case.  Everyone and their cousin wants to make a deck of playing cards, and thanks to things like Kickstarter, Diavoli and HOPC, a fair number of them get a shot to do so.  USPC has even stepped up their game and started expanding their offerings - probably another offshoot of their collaboration with Theory11.

Also, do you really have a clear idea of how "big" D&D Industries is?  You'd be surprised at just how small many of these companies are, in terms of number of employees.  Most of the "majors" (E, T11, D&D, DBlaine, TBC/HOPC, BBM) have nice, polished and professional-looking websites, but the actual employee roster would make them more like a small business, a half-step up from a mom-and-pop operation.  It's to their credit that they're able to create the illusion of being big simply by being professional.

OK, I rambled a bit - back to the point...

When there was little by way of competition and the market was small, teaser campaigns were thought of as unique and cool.  But by now, we've seen enough of them and they're played out - we want to see the cards, plain and simple, under decent lighting, minus any color filtering and only minimally touched by Photoshop (improved images without them being actually altered to make the products look like something they aren't).
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on October 16, 2012, 01:03:14 AM
Has anyone received ANY details regarding this release? I know we are also anticipating the release of Red and Blue Fulton Casino's, but, to me, this release is more prestigious.

As far as it goes, if they don't release it this year, that surely breaks their routine of two Smoke and Mirror decks a year. :'(
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on October 16, 2012, 02:07:00 AM
Has anyone received ANY details regarding this release? I know we are also anticipating the release of Red and Blue Fulton Casino's, but, to me, this release is more prestigious.

As far as it goes, if they don't release it this year, that surely breaks their routine of two Smoke and Mirror decks a year. :'(

Yes! They're apparently releasing them November. And I'm actually pretty physced for the red and blue Ace Fultons
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on October 16, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
Has anyone received ANY details regarding this release? I know we are also anticipating the release of Red and Blue Fulton Casino's, but, to me, this release is more prestigious.

As far as it goes, if they don't release it this year, that surely breaks their routine of two Smoke and Mirror decks a year. :'(


Two per year?  Didn't v6 come out summer of '11?  I remember buying them when I was still dating my wife and we got married this summer...  Her son "accidentally" ruined a deck when he performed a "Mindfreak" magic kit stunt and smeared red lipstick on my hand without me seeing it until after I'd shuffled the deck a few times.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: vmagic on October 16, 2012, 09:36:12 PM
Has anyone received ANY details regarding this release? I know we are also anticipating the release of Red and Blue Fulton Casino's, but, to me, this release is more prestigious.

As far as it goes, if they don't release it this year, that surely breaks their routine of two Smoke and Mirror decks a year. :'(

They haven't released any Smoke & Mirrors since last year and only release them once a year as far as I know.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Dmitriy Cards808 on November 03, 2012, 03:50:59 PM
They are coming 6th Nov?

"Seven years ago we began a journey and this November we reach our final destination. Join us on our birthday, November 6th at dusk, for an exclusive sneak peak."
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 03, 2012, 04:04:29 PM
It says that there will be a sneak peak of it on the 6th
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 03, 2012, 04:33:10 PM
You should've seen my heart light up when I saw this in the "Unread"section. I've waited months for this deck. It's sad to see that this will be their final deck, but I hope there able to go out with a bang.
With the teaser they showed us, I'm assuming that the deck may be purple. Of course, i could be wrong.
What puzzles me is why there releasing just a teaser on November 6th as opposed to the entire deck.
Wouldn't it be more logical to release the full deck on Election Day.

Only time will tell. :D
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 03, 2012, 05:16:40 PM
Sooooo freakin pumped! This looks as though it would be a bit different in terms of design.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 03, 2012, 09:19:59 PM
They are coming 6th Nov?

"Seven years ago we began a journey and this November we reach our final destination. Join us on our birthday, November 6th at dusk, for an exclusive sneak peak."


But - dusk where?  It occurs at different times in different places all over the world, even within the same time zone!


You should've seen my heart light up when I saw this in the "Unread"section. I've waited months for this deck. It's sad to see that this will be their final deck, but I hope there able to go out with a bang.
With the teaser they showed us, I'm assuming that the deck may be purple. Of course, i could be wrong.
What puzzles me is why there releasing just a teaser on November 6th as opposed to the entire deck.
Wouldn't it be more logical to release the full deck on Election Day.

Only time will tell. :D


Hmm, releasing a deck on a day when people in the US are busily trying to decide who will be their local, state and federal leaders for the next handful of years?  Sounds like it might get ignored in all the other, more important goings-on.  Might as well have released the deck during Hurricane Sandy...


Sooooo freakin pumped! This looks as though it would be a bit different in terms of design.


How can you tell?  We don't even know if the image is of a card or the box - or neither!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 04, 2012, 01:05:43 PM
But - dusk where?  It occurs at different times in different places all over the world, even within the same time zone!
If it were up to me, which it's not, I'd say the release time is around 6:00 PST. From their previous releases, I believe they used the PST time zone. And when I think of dusk, I think 6:00 p.m.. Dawn for me, is 6:00 a.m. - Let's see how they play this.

Hmm, releasing a deck on a day when people in the US are busily trying to decide who will be their local, state and federal leaders for the next handful of years?  Sounds like it might get ignored in all the other, more important goings-on.  Might as well have released the deck during Hurricane Sandy...
Okay, I see you there.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 04, 2012, 06:52:17 PM
But - dusk where?  It occurs at different times in different places all over the world, even within the same time zone!
If it were up to me, which it's not, I'd say the release time is around 6:00 PST. From their previous releases, I believe they used the PST time zone. And when I think of dusk, I think 6:00 p.m.. Dawn for me, is 6:00 a.m. - Let's see how they play this.


Dusk is the time period during twilight when the sun is no longer visible but the light from the sun still is - the period between full sundown and darkness of night.  And it will probably be during PST, now that Daylight Saving Time is over.  But as I said, that can occur at varying times even in the same time zone, depending on the landscape of the specific location.


But whatever, it's just the sneak peek and not the actual sale, so it doesn't really matter that much in the end.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 05, 2012, 01:19:55 AM
I'm somewhat hoping that they've at least changed the back design and stuff. But please, for the love of all things peaceful like doves and stuff, have a teaser that isn't 1mm away close ups of the deck.  :-\
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 05, 2012, 02:22:10 AM
I'm somewhat hoping that they've at least changed the back design and stuff. But please, for the love of all things peaceful like doves and stuff, have a teaser that isn't 1mm away close ups of the deck.  :-\

Don't hold your breath.

The concept of "teaser" and "artsy-fartsy photography that doesn't really 'show' anything" somehow became permanently linked together in the custom playing card industry...  Expect a lot of sizzle, no steak.

It's like a movie trailer where you get to see the leading character sitting on a couch reading a book for about three seconds.  Looks nice, I'm sure, but says jack squat about that particular feature, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 05, 2012, 03:04:54 AM
I'm somewhat hoping that they've at least changed the back design and stuff. But please, for the love of all things peaceful like doves and stuff, have a teaser that isn't 1mm away close ups of the deck.  :-\

Don't hold your breath.

The concept of "teaser" and "artsy-fartsy photography that doesn't really 'show' anything" somehow became permanently linked together in the custom playing card industry...  Expect a lot of sizzle, no steak.

It's like a movie trailer where you get to see the leading character sitting on a couch reading a book for about three seconds.  Looks nice, I'm sure, but says jack squat about that particular feature, doesn't it?

Very true. Well I guess all we can do is hope they're not overhyped. The least we'd need is for it to simply be a colour change. If this is the case, then I'll be pretty much done with them.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 05, 2012, 05:22:03 AM
I'm somewhat hoping that they've at least changed the back design and stuff. But please, for the love of all things peaceful like doves and stuff, have a teaser that isn't 1mm away close ups of the deck.  :-\

Expect a lot of sizzle, no steak.


I like steak :(
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 05, 2012, 05:35:54 AM
I'm somewhat hoping that they've at least changed the back design and stuff. But please, for the love of all things peaceful like doves and stuff, have a teaser that isn't 1mm away close ups of the deck.  :-\

Expect a lot of sizzle, no steak.


I like steak :(

You should eat more poultry instead, it's healthier for you...  :))
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 05, 2012, 05:39:11 AM
I'm somewhat hoping that they've at least changed the back design and stuff. But please, for the love of all things peaceful like doves and stuff, have a teaser that isn't 1mm away close ups of the deck.  :-\

Expect a lot of sizzle, no steak.


I like steak :(

You should eat more poultry instead, it's healthier for you...  :))

Well certain fish tend to be high in omega 3. Great for the brain. ;)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 05, 2012, 06:32:29 AM
I personally prefer potatoes with my salads.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Paul Carpenter on November 05, 2012, 08:51:44 AM
I am hoping, from the teaser, that the v7 harkens back to the v1 and actually has an interesting back design, perhaps they got Si Scott back on board or something. The back design we've seen for years now is alright, classy and all, but rather dull after way too many color variations.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 05, 2012, 03:12:58 PM
I personally prefer potatoes with my salads.
Haha ;) anyway back on topic y'all. V7, I'm excited. Maybe there will be heavier embossing by the looks of that photo, we can't really tell yet. But I am am excited.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 05, 2012, 07:59:52 PM
I'm somewhat hoping that they've at least changed the back design and stuff.
Let me ask you a question: Did you like their six- deck series then?

The first three (six) decks they had were minor additions to their back design and new names, such as Special or Luxury editions. No recoloring what-so-ever.
With their next three (four) decks, they kept the same back design, but instead decided to release them in three different themes. No back design editing at all.

But please, for the love of all things peaceful like doves and stuff, have a teaser that isn't 1mm away close ups of the deck.  :-\
Well, you've got to think of it this way: A teaser is supposed to tease, and those 1mm close-ups will do just that. If the Bucks wanted to show their entire deck box, or maybe a few cards, they would call it a reveal. Understand it better?


I like steak :(
You should eat more poultry instead, it's healthier for you...  :))
Well certain fish tend to be high in omega 3. Great for the brain. ;)
I personally prefer potatoes with my salads.
Will you three shut up?!? It's around dinner time on my side of the world and I'm getting hungry. GROWL.  >:( ???
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 05, 2012, 09:31:37 PM
Haha ;) anyway back on topic y'all. V7, I'm excited. Maybe there will be heavier embossing by the looks of that photo, we can't really tell yet. But I am am excited.


How can you tell?  We don't even know if we're looking at a card back, tuck box or someone's wallpaper in that photo, and I certainly can't see any embossing...



Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 05, 2012, 09:44:26 PM
Haha ;) anyway back on topic y'all. V7, I'm excited. Maybe there will be heavier embossing by the looks of that photo, we can't really tell yet. But I am am excited.


How can you tell?  We don't even know if we're looking at a card back, tuck box or someone's wallpaper in that photo, and I certainly can't see any embossing...
He said "we can't really tell yet" and then you asked how he can tell...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 05, 2012, 11:38:45 PM
Haha ;) anyway back on topic y'all. V7, I'm excited. Maybe there will be heavier embossing by the looks of that photo, we can't really tell yet. But I am am excited.


How can you tell?  We don't even know if we're looking at a card back, tuck box or someone's wallpaper in that photo, and I certainly can't see any embossing...
He said "we can't really tell yet" and then you asked how he can tell...

At what point was I disagreeing with him?

Next time you jump to a conclusion, be careful what you land on.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 05, 2012, 11:40:53 PM
Haha ;) anyway back on topic y'all. V7, I'm excited. Maybe there will be heavier embossing by the looks of that photo, we can't really tell yet. But I am am excited.


How can you tell?  We don't even know if we're looking at a card back, tuck box or someone's wallpaper in that photo, and I certainly can't see any embossing...
He said "we can't really tell yet" and then you asked how he can tell...

At what point was I disagreeing with him?

Next time you jump to a conclusion, be careful what you land on.
I didn't say that you were disagreeing with him. Now you just jumped to a conclusion. All I was saying it that you completely repeated what he just said in the post right before yours.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 06, 2012, 12:02:11 AM
I didn't say that you were disagreeing with him. Now you just jumped to a conclusion. All I was saying it that you completely repeated what he just said in the post right before yours.
Well, although you didn't mention it straight up, you did make us infer it.
How can you tell?  We don't even know if we're looking at a card back, tuck box or someone's wallpaper in that photo, and I certainly can't see any embossing...

To me, it looks like a wallpaper. I bet it'd make a nice one too!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 06, 2012, 01:03:16 AM
Haha ;) anyway back on topic y'all. V7, I'm excited. Maybe there will be heavier embossing by the looks of that photo, we can't really tell yet. But I am am excited.


How can you tell?  We don't even know if we're looking at a card back, tuck box or someone's wallpaper in that photo, and I certainly can't see any embossing...
He said "we can't really tell yet" and then you asked how he can tell...

At what point was I disagreeing with him?

Next time you jump to a conclusion, be careful what you land on.
I didn't say that you were disagreeing with him. Now you just jumped to a conclusion. All I was saying it that you completely repeated what he just said in the post right before yours.

Wait up, I'm glad you both agree with me :)) I guess?...
Alrighty, in the picture, it clearly indicates heavy embossing since the typography is raised as much as it is. I can't really tell yet though. 
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 06, 2012, 01:30:11 AM
I didn't say that you were disagreeing with him. Now you just jumped to a conclusion. All I was saying it that you completely repeated what he just said in the post right before yours.

Um, no.  I didn't completely repeat what he said.  Where'd you learn how to read?

Here's his quote and mine:

Haha ;) anyway back on topic y'all. V7, I'm excited. Maybe there will be heavier embossing by the looks of that photo, we can't really tell yet. But I am am excited.

How can you tell?  We don't even know if we're looking at a card back, tuck box or someone's wallpaper in that photo, and I certainly can't see any embossing...

He's excited and thinks there may be heavier embossing - of what, he doesn't really say - though he can't really tell.  I comment that I can't really tell what that image is showing us and that I can't see any embossing.

Tell me, please, that you don't think these two statements are saying the same thing...


Wait up, I'm glad you both agree with me :)) I guess?...
Alrighty, in the picture, it clearly indicates heavy embossing since the typography is raised as much as it is. I can't really tell yet though. 

Typography?  Raised?  Is your screen working in Braille or something?  'Cause to me, that's a computer-generated image, not a "typed" one, and I can't see anything outside of the two-dimensional plane.  "Typography" is the art and technique of printing with moveable type - a process that hasn't been used at USPC in a number of decades.  (The definition could be extended to cover the appearance of printed matter, but it's still not printed - it's a digitally-created image on a computer screen, no hard copy to examine, nothing printed on anything!)  There's something that looks like funky shading, sure - but you can't really tell anything of depth or perspective from that fragment of an image.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 06, 2012, 03:56:12 AM
I didn't say that you were disagreeing with him. Now you just jumped to a conclusion. All I was saying it that you completely repeated what he just said in the post right before yours.

Um, no.  I didn't completely repeat what he said.  Where'd you learn how to read?

Here's his quote and mine:

Haha ;) anyway back on topic y'all. V7, I'm excited. Maybe there will be heavier embossing by the looks of that photo, we can't really tell yet. But I am am excited.

How can you tell?  We don't even know if we're looking at a card back, tuck box or someone's wallpaper in that photo, and I certainly can't see any embossing...

He's excited and thinks there may be heavier embossing - of what, he doesn't really say - though he can't really tell.  I comment that I can't really tell what that image is showing us and that I can't see any embossing.

Tell me, please, that you don't think these two statements are saying the same thing...


Wait up, I'm glad you both agree with me :)) I guess?...
Alrighty, in the picture, it clearly indicates heavy embossing since the typography is raised as much as it is. I can't really tell yet though. 

Typography?  Raised?  Is your screen working in Braille or something?  'Cause to me, that's a computer-generated image, not a "typed" one, and I can't see anything outside of the two-dimensional plane.  "Typography" is the art and technique of printing with moveable type - a process that hasn't been used at USPC in a number of decades.  (The definition could be extended to cover the appearance of printed matter, but it's still not printed - it's a digitally-created image on a computer screen, no hard copy to examine, nothing printed on anything!)  There's something that looks like funky shading, sure - but you can't really tell anything of depth or perspective from that fragment of an image.


Look, that seems to be a legit image. That is obviously embossing on the box of the deck. The embossing looks large due to the curvature and light shadowing of the letters. Whatever, lets wait and see.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 06, 2012, 05:20:20 AM

Look, that seems to be a legit image. That is obviously embossing on the box of the deck. The embossing looks large due to the curvature and light shadowing of the letters. Whatever, lets wait and see.


I'm not saying it isn't a "legit" image.  It's a computer image - you can't "touch" it, per se; it's flips and flops on an LCD monitor, not a real physical object you can touch.  Practically all playing card art these days exists as a digital image at some point or another during the evolution into a deck.

But how you can tell with any degree of certainty that it's an image of a box - AND that it's an embossed box - is beyond me.  That image is pretty abstract, devoid of real identifying features.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Frost on November 06, 2012, 05:01:23 PM
are you guys ready for the teaser ? :D
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 06, 2012, 06:15:03 PM
Here is the teaser:   G A M E O V E R http://dnd.la/gameover
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 06, 2012, 06:19:58 PM
That was disappointing...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on November 06, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
Okay.....??  I submitted my email address.   So where is the teaser?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 06, 2012, 06:25:18 PM
Okay.....??  I submitted my email address.   So where is the teaser?
I think that link was the teaser....
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on November 06, 2012, 06:30:39 PM
Okay.....??  I submitted my email address.   So where is the teaser?
I think that link was the teaser....
What kind of teaser was that??  Maybe were just too smart and the reveal of them coming out with a Smoke & Mirrors V7 decks was the teaser.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 06, 2012, 08:24:08 PM
As far as teasers go, this was pretty meh.  But there is a photo of an embossed box on their FB page...  (And it looks NOTHING like the teaser photo.)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on November 06, 2012, 08:30:08 PM
As far as teasers go, this was pretty meh.  But there is a photo of an embossed box on their FB page...  (And it looks NOTHING like the teaser photo.)
Where at on there FB page Don?  I'm on there right now and don't see any tuck box?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 06, 2012, 08:33:06 PM
Here is the photo that Don is talking about. It is a close up of what looks to be a tuck box. You can see an embossed "I"

Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on November 06, 2012, 08:38:24 PM
Here is the photo that Don is talking about. It is a close up of what looks to be a tuck box. You can see an embossed "I"
People having been guessing that its the tuck box but Dan & Dave responded back saying, "Your guesses are good, but far from close.   Its like nothing we've ever done before - or anyone for that matter."   I took that as its not the tuck box.   Plus it looks more like Dan & Daves double D logo an not an "i."
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 06, 2012, 08:46:25 PM
Here is the photo that Don is talking about. It is a close up of what looks to be a tuck box. You can see an embossed "I"
People having been guessing that its the tuck box but Dan & Dave responded back saying, "Your guesses are good, but far from close.   Its like nothing we've ever done before - or anyone for that matter."   I took that as its not the tuck box.   Plus it looks more like Dan & Daves double D logo an not an "i."
Yes. MY interpretations are exactly the same as yours. Its the double D logo that is found on almost everything dnd. And I do not think that this is related to the v7s. It should be another product by itself from what they are saying.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 06, 2012, 10:14:13 PM
1) The teaser, for me, was okay. I mean, it was meant to tease, and I believe it did. At least we know their going to use an amazing font. :)

2) If it were up to me, I believe that they would use embossing, because, practically every major (and minor) deck produced has embossing. And, D&D's last deck had it, so why not do it on this one. Right?

3) Is it just me, or, after you confirm your email, they bring you to D&D's Facebook page.

4) Also, with that teaser pic of the double D's (hehe), I highly doubt (in fact, I am positively sure), that it's the S&M, or even a deck box at all. As someone quoted, D&D said that they are releasing something they've, and no one else, has ever done before. So, I just can't wait to see what their going to be having.

EDIT: - It just reached my inbox about an hour ago. - Maybe it's a part of a seal or the centerpiece to the back design.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 07, 2012, 12:05:55 AM
Here is the photo that Don is talking about. It is a close up of what looks to be a tuck box. You can see an embossed "I"

If that's an "I", then just call me Ion.  :))  I never called it a tuck box, just an embossed box.

Since D&D say that it's not a tuck box, perhaps it's a special "collector's edition" box - perhaps being made to hold the ENTIRE S&M series.  Imagine the price tag on that puppy...  And it would certainly qualify as something they've never done before.  I can't recall anyone doing a full collection set like that - the closest was David Blaine's first Variety Box, but it was missing the Tally Ho Split Spades and two of the four prototype Bicycle trick decks as well as the three production models.  Oh, and that "rainbow" purple White Lions Series A deck.

And KPop, you're right - it does take you to their FB page, but it also signs you up for a mailing list to receive those teaser emails.  At the rate they're dribbling out the clues, I'd bet the release date could be as late as Black Friday.

The round thingie - I don't know.  Maybe it's a seal, but round seals aren't really found, and D&D often avoid seals anyway, at least for the standard editions of their decks.  Perhaps it's part of the tuck box art.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 07, 2012, 12:55:01 AM
If their plan is to release around Black Friday, it's an excellent way divert our dollars away from other sites, and to theirs.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: twiscold on November 07, 2012, 12:56:58 AM
How much did the S&M decks cost initially? its been so long i completely forgot
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 07, 2012, 01:26:22 AM
If their plan is to release around Black Friday, it's an excellent way divert our dollars away from other sites, and to theirs.

Really?  I would never have known that...

I don't suppose people have nicknamed you "Captain Obvious" in the past, have they?  :))

How much did the S&M decks cost initially? its been so long i completely forgot

I have no idea - I've never purchased any S&Ms at original retail value.  I'd venture to guess in the high end of the below-ten-bucks range.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Card Player on November 07, 2012, 06:20:50 PM
Unfortunately I was not collecting decks of playing cards when the Smoke and Mirrors version 1,2, & 3 were first released. I'm looking forward to purchasing a few of these (v7).
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: loldudex2 on November 07, 2012, 06:44:29 PM
Here is the photo that Don is talking about. It is a close up of what looks to be a tuck box. You can see an embossed "I"

Umm.... I don't know what you see in that, but that's clearly the Dan and Dave logo.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 07, 2012, 08:12:13 PM
Here is the photo that Don is talking about. It is a close up of what looks to be a tuck box. You can see an embossed "I"

Umm.... I don't know what you see in that, but that's clearly the Dan and Dave logo.
Yes, I now see that  :P
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 07, 2012, 08:38:56 PM
I'm getting a real giggle out of how many people can't wait to get this deck - and they have no real idea what the hell it looks like!  It could easily be just like De'vo's "Cardistry Unicorn" deck!  Or worse!


I'm merely curious to see the new design.  I don't have an overwhelming desire to buy it.  How could I, when I haven't even seen it yet?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 07, 2012, 09:18:11 PM
I'm getting a real giggle out of how many people can't wait to get this deck - and they have no real idea what the hell it looks like!  It could easily be just like De'vo's "Cardistry Unicorn" deck!  Or worse!


I'm merely curious to see the new design.  I don't have an overwhelming desire to buy it.  How could I, when I haven't even seen it yet?

I love the Pro Cardistry deck. If I want to do some serious flourishing, nothing beats using it  ;D
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 07, 2012, 10:08:50 PM
How much did the S&M decks cost initially? its been so long i completely forgot
If I remember clearly, which I might not, I believe they costed $5.95 or maybe $6.95.

Really?  I would never have known that...

I don't suppose people have nicknamed you "Captain Obvious" in the past, have they?  :))

You bet!
I'm getting a real giggle out of how many people can't wait to get this deck - and they have no real idea what the hell it looks like!  It could easily be just like De'vo's "Cardistry Unicorn" deck!  Or worse!


I'm merely curious to see the new design.  I don't have an overwhelming desire to buy it.  How could I, when I haven't even seen it yet?
Well, from my perspective, I've liked most, if not all of the decks Si Scott designed. I doubt D&D will produce anything but the best with their grand finale to the series. Either way, I'm going to be collecting it anyway to complete my collection.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Paul Carpenter on November 07, 2012, 10:42:21 PM
my (only partially serious)  guess, from that close up pic on their facebook, is they made an embossed leather wallet. Or maybe a belt. In which case their claim is true: no one else has made an embossed D&D wallet before. :)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Card Player on November 08, 2012, 05:19:26 AM
Quote
Well, from my perspective, I've liked most, if not all of the decks Si Scott designed. I doubt D&D will produce anything but the best with their grand finale to the series.

Those are my thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Paul Carpenter on November 08, 2012, 10:00:49 AM
Via facebook and Instagram, it appears that the "thing no one has done" might involve a case of some kind. Looks vaguely like an ammo box to me, and there is a dog tag.

Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 08, 2012, 10:26:57 AM
oooh. Not gonna lie, I want one.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on November 08, 2012, 10:52:30 AM
Ammo box for what?   To put your lotion and nail clippers in.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 08, 2012, 11:03:27 AM
Via facebook and Instagram, it appears that the "thing no one has done" might involve a case of some kind. Looks vaguely like an ammo box to me, and there is a dog tag.


I've SEEN this box!  They were carrying one with them at the Tannen's lecture.  And yes, it looks exactly like an ammo box, though much more nicely made.  I think the embossing image we saw earlier was from the side of this box, in dim lighting to make it appear black - the box is light olive drab.


I'm thinking it will be a boxed set holding the entire series in one box.  Not counting the v4 seal variant and assuming that V7 will be in a single color scheme, there's a total of ten decks in the series.  The box was about the right size for ten to twelve decks.

By the way - remember the theory of the round image being that of a deck seal?  If you look at the dog tag image, there's two deck boxes sitting behind it.  One looks like a v4 with deck seal, while the other appears to have a ROUND deck seal!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 08, 2012, 11:53:19 AM
I want the ammo box. I would hold my cards in it, I really want it.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 08, 2012, 12:26:25 PM
I want the ammo box. I would hold my cards in it, I really want it.


So, just to be clear, you're saying you WANT the box, then?


(And that this is little more than a me-too post?)  :))
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 08, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
yes I said the ammo box. That I want it. And sorry I will try to have more info in my post besides a me too.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 08, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
If it were a box holding the entire series, I wouldn't mind it. However, there would honestly need to be something more to make it truly appetising to me  ;D
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 08, 2012, 08:52:52 PM
yes I said the ammo box. That I want it. And sorry I will try to have more info in my post besides a me too.


Hee hee hee!


If it were a box holding the entire series, I wouldn't mind it. However, there would honestly need to be something more to make it truly appetising to me  ;D


Like what?  Gold bullion?  Keys to a Ferrari?  Moon rocks?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 08, 2012, 09:29:32 PM
Via facebook and Instagram, it appears that the "thing no one has done" might involve a case of some kind. Looks vaguely like an ammo box to me, and there is a dog tag.
The first picture looks like the top of the new box partially obscured just so nicely by the dnd dog tag. and it seems to suggest that there will be a seal of sorts. Well its all mere speculation. ^^

I would most probably get a few of these no matter how it looks just to complete my collection. I have complete faith in dnd that the final installment of their brain child would not be a disappointment.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 08, 2012, 09:36:59 PM
yes I said the ammo box. That I want it. And sorry I will try to have more info in my post besides a me too.


Hee hee hee!


If it were a box holding the entire series, I wouldn't mind it. However, there would honestly need to be something more to make it truly appetising to me  ;D


Like what?  Gold bullion?  Keys to a Ferrari?  Moon rocks?

I would definitely say the moon rocks. Or not have it like the gold crown collector's box thing where you have a chance of getting it added to your order.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 08, 2012, 10:20:41 PM
If it were a box holding the entire series, I wouldn't mind it. However, there would honestly need to be something more to make it truly appetising to me 


Like what?  Gold bullion?  Keys to a Ferrari?  Moon rocks?

I would definitely say the moon rocks. Or not have it like the gold crown collector's box thing where you have a chance of getting it added to your order.


Yeah, well - good luck with that!  D&D are know for short-supply, super-limited editions...  But we're still assuming that it would be a collection of the entire S&M series rather than just a neato box.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 08, 2012, 10:27:00 PM
At first, it's appealing, but think about the price point, sure, it's the entire S&M series as well as maybe a "limited" collector's box, but wouldn't that cost maybe a few hundred dollars?

Also, if Don't theory11 is correct of a deck seal, is this the first circular one made?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: john on November 08, 2012, 10:39:42 PM
Also, if Don't theory11 is correct of a deck seal, is this the first circular one made?

Was that english...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 08, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
At first, it's appealing, but think about the price point, sure, it's the entire S&M series as well as maybe a "limited" collector's box, but wouldn't that cost maybe a few hundred dollars?

Also, if Don't theory11 is correct of a deck seal, is this the first circular one made?


Dude - spellcheck is not a replacement for proofreading...


To my knowledge, there hasn't been a round deck seal before.  The original tax stamps upon which the seals were based were always either square or rectangular, so the manufacturer seals kept this tradition.  USPC uses square stickers, while Arrco (while it still was a separate company) used rectangular stickers.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 08, 2012, 10:50:21 PM
At first, it's appealing, but think about the price point, sure, it's the entire S&M series as well as maybe a "limited" collector's box, but wouldn't that cost maybe a few hundred dollars?

Also, if Don't theory11 is correct of a deck seal, is this the first circular one made?


Dude - spellcheck is not a replacement for proofreading...


To my knowledge, there hasn't been a round deck seal before.  The original tax stamps upon which the seals were based were always either square or rectangular, so the manufacturer seals kept this tradition.  USPC uses square stickers, while Arrco (while it still was a separate company) used rectangular stickers.
Well, the Pr1me decks had a round seal.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 08, 2012, 10:59:28 PM
Don, you mentioned you saw the ammo box before, does it have a card related design on it? I have always loved seeing people store stuff in them.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 09, 2012, 03:38:19 PM


Well, the Pr1me decks had a round seal.


You are correct.  Thanks!


This, assuming it has a round seal, is probably the first USPC deck with a round seal, not counting the old-style wax seals they used to apply to the wrapping around the cards before cellophane outside the box became the standard.


Hey...  Paper-wrapped cards in the box...  Round seal...  Hmm...


Don, you mentioned you saw the ammo box before, does it have a card related design on it? I have always loved seeing people store stuff in them.


Pretty sure it had the "DD" logo on the side.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 09, 2012, 03:38:34 PM
"Smoke & Mirrors, v7. The final edition. Join us and receive exclusive updates, teases and release information." - Dan and Dave

http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 09, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
"Smoke & Mirrors, v7. The final edition. Join us and receive exclusive updates, teases and release information." - Dan and Dave

http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/ (http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/)


Evan, did D&D hire you to do promotions?  Because you posted the exact same link, in shortened form, three days ago.


Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7 (http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/smoke-and-mirrors-v7/msg59700/#msg59700)

The link in that post, http://dnd.la/gameover, takes you to the same page as the link in this post, http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/.  How could you not have noticed this?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 09, 2012, 04:51:57 PM
"Smoke & Mirrors, v7. The final edition. Join us and receive exclusive updates, teases and release information." - Dan and Dave

http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/ (http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/)


Evan, did D&D hire you to do promotions?  Because you posted the exact same link, in shortened form, three days ago.


Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7 (http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/smoke-and-mirrors-v7/msg59700/#msg59700)

The link in that post, http://dnd.la/gameover, takes you to the same page as the link in this post, http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/.  How could you not have noticed this?
I did notice it. My post was mainly for the quote. Thanks!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 09, 2012, 05:09:09 PM
"Smoke & Mirrors, v7. The final edition. Join us and receive exclusive updates, teases and release information." - Dan and Dave

http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/ (http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/)


Evan, did D&D hire you to do promotions?  Because you posted the exact same link, in shortened form, three days ago.


Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7 (http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/smoke-and-mirrors-v7/msg59700/#msg59700)

The link in that post, http://dnd.la/gameover (http://dnd.la/gameover), takes you to the same page as the link in this post, http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/ (http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/).  How could you not have noticed this?
I did notice it. My post was mainly for the quote. Thanks!


Please, no more spam.  The quote may be new, but the info is not.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 09, 2012, 05:15:55 PM
"Smoke & Mirrors, v7. The final edition. Join us and receive exclusive updates, teases and release information." - Dan and Dave

http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/ (http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/)


Evan, did D&D hire you to do promotions?  Because you posted the exact same link, in shortened form, three days ago.


Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7 (http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/smoke-and-mirrors-v7/msg59700/#msg59700)

The link in that post, http://dnd.la/gameover (http://dnd.la/gameover), takes you to the same page as the link in this post, http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/ (http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/).  How could you not have noticed this?
I did notice it. My post was mainly for the quote. Thanks!


Please, no more spam.  The quote may be new, but the info is not.
It's not spam at all. It is info from D&D that I was posting. If anything, your post was more useless than mine.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 09, 2012, 07:33:57 PM
"Smoke & Mirrors, v7. The final edition. Join us and receive exclusive updates, teases and release information." - Dan and Dave

http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/ (http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/)


Evan, did D&D hire you to do promotions?  Because you posted the exact same link, in shortened form, three days ago.


Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7 (http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/smoke-and-mirrors-v7/msg59700/#msg59700)

The link in that post, http://dnd.la/gameover (http://dnd.la/gameover), takes you to the same page as the link in this post, http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/ (http://www.dananddave.com/smokeandmirrors/).  How could you not have noticed this?
I did notice it. My post was mainly for the quote. Thanks!


Please, no more spam.  The quote may be new, but the info is not.
It's not spam at all. It is info from D&D that I was posting. If anything, your post was more useless than mine.


Evan, stop.  Last warning.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: dmbaggs on November 09, 2012, 08:21:39 PM
haha oh goodness ^  ::)

The previews have been cool but theyve given us nothing on the deck itself haha I'm hoping for a good end to the series at a good price point. Do we have any info on when this will be released? next week, month, before the end of the year? cold hard facts?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 09, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
haha oh goodness ^  ::)

The previews have been cool but theyve given us nothing on the deck itself haha I'm hoping for a good end to the series at a good price point. Do we have any info on when this will be released? next week, month, before the end of the year? cold hard facts?


All I have is "this month".  I'd guess Black Friday.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 09, 2012, 09:58:37 PM
ok so dan and dave logo on an ammo box. I hope they sell them and I hope I can afford it. :)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 09, 2012, 11:57:57 PM
ok so dan and dave logo on an ammo box. I hope they sell them and I hope I can afford it. :)

My thinking on this is they'll either be sold or they'll be part of some premium package like Ellusionist - "buy this, get that free."  I'm still guessing that it will be used for a mega-deluxe super-limited offering of the entire S&M series.  I mean, why else would they picture that "dog tag" image with a v4 "seal" deck and what we assume is the new v7?

I've seen the box, it's about big enough to hold a full brick.  Versions 1-4 had two decks each (1-3 were done in black and white; 4 was done with and without USPC deck seal), while 5 and 6 had a single deck.  If v7 comes in TWO colors, much like the first three versions did, that would bring the entire collection to a full dozen decks - one brick.

Can you image what such a collection would sell for?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 10, 2012, 12:31:16 AM
A lot of money, I could not afford it. :(
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 10, 2012, 12:50:53 AM
Depending on the deals from E, T11 and D&D, I will have to choose very carefully and wisely.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 10, 2012, 01:24:04 AM
A lot of money, I could not afford it. :(

You're not exactly alone there, bub.  But maybe you'll get lucky and at some point they'll do with that box what they did with the Variety Box - sell empties separately.

Depending on the deals from E, T11 and D&D, I will have to choose very carefully and wisely.

As opposed to very carelessly and foolishly?  :))  I think we have crowned yet-another King of the Obvious!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: dmbaggs on November 10, 2012, 01:34:04 AM
Depending on the deals from E, T11 and D&D, I will have to choose very carefully and wisely.

As opposed to very carelessly and foolishly?  :))  I think we have crowned yet-another King of the Obvious!

I think opposed to getting all of them haha. I wouldn't be surprised if the quality and creativeness of the products made it easy to decide. I feel like the quality of so many designs have fallen that I truly want only a few of the many releases.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 10, 2012, 02:01:19 AM
Can you image what such a collection would sell for?
That's what I was hinting upon. My guess is that this "gift set" will sell for close to $500.

Depending on the deals from E, T11 and D&D, I will have to choose very carefully and wisely.
As opposed to very carelessly and foolishly?  :))  I think we have crowned yet-another King of the Obvious!
Yay! Another member to join my party.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 10, 2012, 02:04:13 AM
well I am hoping I get a chance to buy just the ammo box.

as for the captain obvious thing.
i am starting to feel left out, I want to join. :( lol
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 10, 2012, 03:08:57 AM
Depending on the deals from E, T11 and D&D, I will have to choose very carefully and wisely.

As opposed to very carelessly and foolishly?  :))  I think we have crowned yet-another King of the Obvious!

I think opposed to getting all of them haha. I wouldn't be surprised if the quality and creativeness of the products made it easy to decide. I feel like the quality of so many designs have fallen that I truly want only a few of the many releases.

I'll grant you there's been a few lackluster releases.  But remember - the big companies in this game usually save their most powerful "weapons" for Black Friday...  Some highlights from last year were LTD decks, the one-of-a-kind Variety Box Vintage Edition and free White Centurions with a $100 purchase (or was it $150?).

Can you image what such a collection would sell for?
That's what I was hinting upon. My guess is that this "gift set" will sell for close to $500.

That cheap, you think?  I'd think more.  You could pay around $400-500 just for the first six decks, versions one through three in both colors.

well I am hoping I get a chance to buy just the ammo box.

as for the captain obvious thing.
i am starting to feel left out, I want to join. :( lol

Nice to see you have a sense of humor!  One of my many nicknames was "Don Obvious"!

As I said, don't despair.  It's entirely possible that the ammo box will end up at some point as a separate item.  It's also possible that a purchaser of a set who only wants the decks will put his box for sale on the Discourse, UC or eBay.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 10, 2012, 03:12:45 AM
Can you image what such a collection would sell for?
That's what I was hinting upon. My guess is that this "gift set" will sell for close to $500.

Depending on the deals from E, T11 and D&D, I will have to choose very carefully and wisely.
As opposed to very carelessly and foolishly?  :))  I think we have crowned yet-another King of the Obvious!
Yay! Another member to join my party.

I feel honoured to be a part. Come Don, join us and take this cupcake... it has sprinkles  ;)
If I can get my hands on a red artifice or gold arcane or, although ambitious, a white centurions deck, I will be quite the happy shopper.  8)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 10, 2012, 03:23:48 AM
Can you image what such a collection would sell for?
That's what I was hinting upon. My guess is that this "gift set" will sell for close to $500.

Depending on the deals from E, T11 and D&D, I will have to choose very carefully and wisely.
As opposed to very carelessly and foolishly?  :))  I think we have crowned yet-another King of the Obvious!
Yay! Another member to join my party.

I feel honoured to be a part. Come Don, join us and take this cupcake... it has sprinkles  ;)
If I can get my hands on a red artifice or gold arcane or, although ambitious, a white centurions deck, I will be quite the happy shopper.  8)

Well, first of all, it's a no-go on the White Cents.  They gave out the last of the reserve last holiday season.  T11 does not have any more - they're all in private hands.

Second of all, if you or any one else wants to continue chatting about what you'd like to get on Black Friday, perhaps a new topic would be better, since this one is specifically about Smoke and Mirrors, version 7.  The Black Friday release date was strictly my guess - the closest I have to a firm date would be that it's coming some time this month.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: MrMollusk on November 10, 2012, 02:39:39 PM
Well, D&D released this picture:
(http://img.ziofat.com/2012/11/smv71.jpg)
Looks like it's going to be different than the past ones.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 10, 2012, 03:34:47 PM
If you look at some if the posts we have the pic shared already
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 10, 2012, 06:37:28 PM
Well, D&D released this picture:

Looks like it's going to be different than the past ones.


If you look at some if the posts we have the pic shared already


Yeah.  We've been speculating that this will be the deck seal for v7.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 11, 2012, 01:31:54 AM
This is all going to be very expensive. What I don't understand is why Dan and Dave are doing a military type thing. Dog Tags, ammo boxes, "Enlist now, we did"....
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 11, 2012, 01:44:29 AM
This is all going to be very expensive. What I don't understand is why Dan and Dave are doing a military type thing. Dog Tags, ammo boxes, "Enlist now, we did"....

It's trendy.

"Join the Rebellion."

"Join the Republic."

"Enlist now, we did..."

"Watch as I pull a rabbit out of my hat."

"Pick a card, any card..."

 "Join the Dark Side, we have cookies..."
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 11, 2012, 01:56:25 AM
This is all going to be very expensive. What I don't understand is why Dan and Dave are doing a military type thing. Dog Tags, ammo boxes, "Enlist now, we did"....

It's trendy.

"Join the Rebellion."

"Join the Republic."

"Enlist now, we did..."

"Watch as I pull a rabbit out of my hat."

"Pick a card, any card..."

 "Join the Dark Side, we have cookies..."

I know but it's a very weird turn for a deck that is generally Luxury orientated. Maybe what that case is, it's not v7, maybe a military themed deck.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 11, 2012, 02:50:54 AM

I know but it's a very weird turn for a deck that is generally Luxury orientated. Maybe what that case is, it's not v7, maybe a military themed deck.

Military themes in fashion and design experienced a big comeback after all these years fighting two wars on the other side of the world.  Dan and Dave are probably not immune to this trend.  And we know that it's for v7 - why else would they be posting these images during the v7 hype machine warm-up?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 11, 2012, 03:19:31 AM
That cheap, you think?  I'd think more.  You could pay around $400-500 just for the first six decks, versions one through three in both colors.
I dont think the first three versions are worth THAT much. They are probably around $300-400 range. This entire brick would definitely be worth the buy if it was under $450.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 11, 2012, 03:27:35 AM
That cheap, you think?  I'd think more.  You could pay around $400-500 just for the first six decks, versions one through three in both colors.
I dont think the first three versions are worth THAT much. They are probably around $300-400 range. This entire brick would definitely be worth the buy if it was under $450.

Remember though - you're thinking of trade/eBay value, while these guys are retailers.  These are the guys who sold Jerry's Nuggets at $350 a pack flat, no pricing tiers like what Lee Asher did.  I could see this - assuming that such a collection will indeed be offered - at least going for $500.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sr15 on November 11, 2012, 04:44:33 AM
dan and dave might be going in a strange direction with this deck. I have obtained raw footage of V7s being used by Dan or Dave Buck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAtUsFFIA0

note: this is a joke
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 11, 2012, 05:11:50 AM
dan and dave might be going in a strange direction with this deck. I have obtained raw footage of V7s being used by Dan or Dave Buck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAtUsFFIA0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAtUsFFIA0)

note: this is a joke

They're not raw - they're cooked, and lightly salted!  :))
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 11, 2012, 03:56:30 PM

I know but it's a very weird turn for a deck that is generally Luxury orientated. Maybe what that case is, it's not v7, maybe a military themed deck.

Military themes in fashion and design experienced a big comeback after all these years fighting two wars on the other side of the world.  Dan and Dave are probably not immune to this trend.  And we know that it's for v7 - why else would they be posting these images during the v7 hype machine warm-up?

Yes, it's most likely v7 but the point is that it seems as though its a very sudden turn. From luxury to military.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 11, 2012, 06:45:38 PM

I know but it's a very weird turn for a deck that is generally Luxury orientated. Maybe what that case is, it's not v7, maybe a military themed deck.

Military themes in fashion and design experienced a big comeback after all these years fighting two wars on the other side of the world.  Dan and Dave are probably not immune to this trend.  And we know that it's for v7 - why else would they be posting these images during the v7 hype machine warm-up?

Yes, it's most likely v7 but the point is that it seems as though its a very sudden turn. From luxury to military.


Would you call a Hummer H2 or H3 a luxury car?  I would.


I hear what you're saying, but they did say something about wanting to break the mold on this one, right?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on November 12, 2012, 12:40:13 PM
i might be wrong but... i bet the v7's are... ... ... still just playing cards. so really what all can they do that is SOOOOO different? how about change the back from the previous 3. Then, if they are REALLLLY feeling ambitious, they should use custom courts.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Paul Carpenter on November 12, 2012, 01:34:58 PM
Then, if they are REALLLLY feeling ambitious, they should use custom courts.

<snicker> Since D&D are so into the custom faces on their decks and all...  (it's nice to dream)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 12, 2012, 01:41:36 PM
I have confirmed with Dan that the v7's are not going to be military themed:

"We do have a military themed product coming out but it is not the v7's.

Cheers,
Dan"
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: loldudex2 on November 12, 2012, 02:32:15 PM
Quoted from an email:

"We never imagined the Smoke and Mirrors playing cards would become so widely used and collected, let alone the possibility of a 7th edition. Thank you. It's been an amazing journey for us and an honor to see them used by the very best magicians and cardists all over the world.

Developing the Smoke & Mirrors has been our passion for the last six years. We've put our heart and soul into every detail and are extremely proud of them. With each new edition, we feel we've set a new standard, and this would not have been possible without your support.

The final edition, the v7, is without a doubt the most exceptional deck we've ever produced and an epic finale to an amazing chapter in our life. We've been working on it for over a year now and went as far as having new artwork produced by Si Scott exclusively for this release. The result is amazing and we can't wait for you to see them.

Today we are traveling over 2,000 miles, from California to Kentucky, to visit the US Playing Card Company where we will witness the v7's go to print. We've never done this before, and are excited for the trip. It's the ultimate level of attention.

As you can imagine, some very exciting teasers are coming."
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 12, 2012, 02:51:33 PM
Here is the email that was sent:
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 12, 2012, 04:07:30 PM
I have confirmed with Dan that the v7's are not going to be military themed:

"We do have a military themed product coming out but it is not the v7's.

Cheers,
Dan"

Yes! I was right. How's that Don? :)) I'm very excited, these are going to print today like the email stated. Very pumped.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 13, 2012, 12:01:52 AM
i might be wrong but... i bet the v7's are... ... ... still just playing cards. so really what all can they do that is SOOOOO different? how about change the back from the previous 3. Then, if they are REALLLLY feeling ambitious, they should use custom courts.

Nope, you are right - they're definitely playing cards.  Don't look like a vacuum cleaner, don't smell like a cheeseburger, don't feel like a push-up bra...


<snicker> Since D&D are so into the custom faces on their decks and all...  (it's nice to dream)

Yeah, I don't really see that happening.  I actually can't think of a single instance where one of their own decks went for custom faces or even custom courts beyond some minor color changes and reduction of detail.  Those reduced-detail courts were to me the most interesting thing about the S&M line - they appeared more iconic yet still traditional.

I have confirmed with Dan that the v7's are not going to be military themed:

"We do have a military themed product coming out but it is not the v7's.

Cheers,
Dan"

That military-themed product he mentions is probably the ammo box.  It's really just the right size for transporting a brick and (depending on how it was made) would be water-resistant and crush-resistant.  I guess if you do enough traveling, you realize you need something practically bullet-proof for keeping your cards with you in good shape, especially if you go somewhere in which replacements would be difficult to impossible to find.

Loldudex2, thanks for the content of the D&D email; I got the same one earlier this evening, as I'm sure many but not all people here did.  Evan, thanks for repeating in your post image word-for-word everything that was already stated in Loldudex2's post; it was a truly invaluable addition to the conversation, especially when one is nowhere near a canyon and wants to hear an echo...


Yes! I was right. How's that Don? :)) I'm very excited, these are going to print today like the email stated. Very pumped.

That's fine, really.  Honestly, I don't have a strong opinion on these cards.  I've curtailed my deck purchasing, and D&D's decks were among the items I dropped from the shopping list.

As I stated earlier in this post, it probably means that the ammo box/deck case will be a separate purchase.  If it's the same as the one they were using at the lecture, it's a very cool thing to have for taking decks on the road.  Just try not to pack it in your carry-on when going through the TSA checkpoint at the airport...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 13, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
what would be the problem with having it in your carry on?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 13, 2012, 12:50:50 AM
what would be the problem with having it in your carry on?

Dude, I carried a briefcase full of playing cards through FLL and got stopped for a hand search because a green TSA screener thought they might be bricks of some kind of explosive.  Now, imagine that x-ray image encased in what looks like a metal ammunition box.  You'd be lucky if they didn't cavity-search you to death (or just wishing you'd died)...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 13, 2012, 12:52:25 AM
what would be the problem with having it in your carry on?

 Last time I checked, Ammunition and Commercial Aeroplanes don't really mix...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 13, 2012, 01:04:02 AM
So if I buy this, no planes. Got it.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 13, 2012, 01:52:32 AM
I sincerely hope that after the v7s. There would be a continuous run of playing cards by dnd without compromising the awesome back design and quality of the snm. Be it a Smoke AND Mirrors deck or a Smoke and Mirrors deck, such a quality deck should be 'unlimited' (I tried to refrain from this adjective but couldn't find a replacement)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 13, 2012, 05:47:26 AM
I sincerely hope that after the v7s. There would be a continuous run of playing cards by dnd without compromising the awesome back design and quality of the snm. Be it a Smoke AND Mirrors deck or a Smoke and Mirrors deck, such a quality deck should be 'unlimited' (I tried to refrain from this adjective but couldn't find a replacement)

While they do order in large numbers, D&D have never released an unlimited edition deck to date.  The closest they've come is to sell other companies' unlimited (or at least less limited) brands.  While it isn't impossible that they'd change this market strategy, it's pretty unlikely - why mess with success?  Sure, Ellusionist does this, but I'm betting D&D want to have a distinctly different image from E, yes?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 13, 2012, 05:51:53 AM
I sincerely hope that after the v7s. There would be a continuous run of playing cards by dnd without compromising the awesome back design and quality of the snm. Be it a Smoke AND Mirrors deck or a Smoke and Mirrors deck, such a quality deck should be 'unlimited' (I tried to refrain from this adjective but couldn't find a replacement)

While they do order in large numbers, D&D have never released an unlimited edition deck to date.  The closest they've come is to sell other companies' unlimited (or at least less limited) brands.  While it isn't impossible that they'd change this market strategy, it's pretty unlikely - why mess with success?  Sure, Ellusionist does this, but I'm betting D&D want to have a distinctly different image from E, yes?

Oh yes, I'm not sure if Dan and Dave really like Ellusionist at all to be honest.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 13, 2012, 06:03:26 AM

Oh yes, I'm not sure if Dan and Dave really like Ellusionist at all to be honest.

I think it's more to do with market focus.  Ellusionist wants to be the street magician's best friend (which can ring in with a pretty high geek factor), while D&D are pushing more for a higher-end clientele, selling luxury items E would be very unlikely to carry.  Additionally, books are a rare sight at E while D&D have one of the best book selections on magic and cardistry that I've seen anywhere.  A good percentage of my non-video magic library came from their shop.

Don't get me wrong, I love E's products - their DVDs are what got me started in magic in the first place and I recommend them to beginners just getting started (and yes, I know they have products for experienced magicians as well).  But you can tell just by the differences in their websites that D&D is aiming in one direction while E is aiming on a tangent from them.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 13, 2012, 08:40:03 PM
That military-themed product he mentions is probably the ammo box.  It's really just the right size for transporting a brick and (depending on how it was made) would be water-resistant and crush-resistant.  I guess if you do enough traveling, you realize you need something practically bullet-proof for keeping your cards with you in good shape, especially if you go somewhere in which replacements would be difficult to impossible to find.
If you're saying that this ammo box will be produced with legit metal, "crush-resistant" metal, wouldn't that ship for a VERY, VERY high price?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 13, 2012, 11:40:09 PM

If you're saying that this ammo box will be produced with legit metal, "crush-resistant" metal, wouldn't that ship for a VERY, VERY high price?

Steel doesn't crush very easily at the right thickness.  But in general, real-world ammo boxes produced by ammo companies would be resistant to crushing but far from indestructible.  Give an empty box a good bang or a whack with a hammer and it would dent.  However, when carrying something such as live ammunition, whacking things like filled ammo boxes with a hammer isn't very high on the to-do list, unless it happens to be just below something like, "Wash down the 'shrooms with some white lightning."

I'm sure that D&D took weight into account when having it made.  Who would want to lug around a very heavy metal box filled with anything?  But yes, the shipping charges are going to go up a notch or two with them.  If they were smart and went with aluminum instead of steel, perhaps just a half-notch.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on November 19, 2012, 01:42:49 PM
I've never posted here before... Read a bunch and appreciate all the info haha but just noticed that the shop section on D&D's website (shop.dananddave.com (http://shop.dananddave.com)) says "Smoke & Mirrors in 3 days, 21 hours, 17 minutes and 15 seconds" as of this post. Sooo.... my math takes me to Black Friday at 8AM PST/PDT??

Just wanted ya'll to know if you didn't haha
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 19, 2012, 02:41:25 PM
I've never posted here before... Read a bunch and appreciate all the info haha but just noticed that the shop section on D&D's website (shop.dananddave.com (http://shop.dananddave.com)) says "Smoke & Mirrors in 3 days, 21 hours, 17 minutes and 15 seconds" as of this post. Sooo.... my math takes me to Black Friday at 8AM PST/PDT??

Just wanted ya'll to know if you didn't haha
Okay, that time seems correct. Oh, my Friday is going to be busy. First, Best Buy for dirt cheap movies, and then here for my S&M fix.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on November 19, 2012, 03:28:31 PM
So far my Black Friday is consisting of Sliver Split Spades and S&M V7.   Still curious as to what E and Theory 11 have in store for us...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: twiscold on November 19, 2012, 07:47:15 PM
is that V3 in the DM video or the V7? I doubt that's V7 but still curious
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on November 19, 2012, 08:25:45 PM
is that V3 in the DM video or the V7? I doubt that's V7 but still curious

The email that we have all received:
"In the beginning, the Smoke & Mirrors were designed to be a personal deck. They were custom tailored to our taste with original art by Si Scott, a favorite designer of ours. We never imagined they'd be used by so many, let alone the best in the world.

As part of a countdown to the final edition of our Smoke & Mirrors, we've partnered with the best magicians and cardists across the globe to showcase a brief history in style, prestige, and excellence that is the Smoke & Mirrors.

We've appropriately chosen Daniel Madison of the U.K. to show off his trademark style with the original Smoke & Mirrors, the black and white editions."

So I'm assuming not the newest version :)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 19, 2012, 08:26:30 PM
‎"This innovative new seal was exclusively produced for the Smoke & Mirrors v7 release. It is perforated along the box crescent for easy opening." - Dan and Dave
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on November 19, 2012, 08:30:16 PM
‎"This innovative new seal was exclusively produced for the Smoke & Mirrors v7 release. It is perforated along the box crescent for easy opening." - Dan and Dave

Funny how they place it on the V6 to try and keep the design as well hidden as they can hahaha if this is truly "innovative" then they live up to "doing something no one has ever done before" (or at least their claim that there will be something new with the release of these decks not seen in other playing cards)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 20, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
WOW! - A triple, or even quadruple, dose of Daniel Madison. I guess the major magic companies really love him. Who am I to complain, so do I.

Anyways, I love the idea of a new seal. Not only does the jagged edges look amazing (tax stamps), but the newly added perforation is helpful too! Can't Wait!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 20, 2012, 01:01:10 AM
WOW! - A triple, or even quadruple, dose of Daniel Madison. I guess the major magic companies really love him. Who am I to complain, so do I.

Anyways, I love the idea of a new seal. Not only does the jagged edges look amazing (tax stamps), but the newly added perforation is helpful too! Can't Wait!

...because, as we all know, it's all about the sticker, baby... :))

When I perform or play with a deck, the last thing I'm thinking is "Oooh, what a cool sticker on the box..."  Scratch that, it's not last - it's not even on the list!  So much attention paid to the collector end of the market...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: John B. on November 20, 2012, 01:10:15 AM
I check the seal, I like to see if its still there.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 20, 2012, 01:10:55 AM
WOW! - A triple, or even quadruple, dose of Daniel Madison. I guess the major magic companies really love him. Who am I to complain, so do I.

Anyways, I love the idea of a new seal. Not only does the jagged edges look amazing (tax stamps), but the newly added perforation is helpful too! Can't Wait!

...because, as we all know, it's all about the sticker, baby... :))

When I perform or play with a deck, the last thing I'm thinking is "Oooh, what a cool sticker on the box..."  Scratch that, it's not last - it's not even on the list!  So much attention paid to the collector end of the market...
Every detail counts! :D
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 20, 2012, 01:29:14 AM
So far my Black Friday is consisting of Sliver Split Spades and S&M V7.   Still curious as to what E and Theory 11 have in store for us...

I so far have five deck releases, and we know that E will have the Fathom deck at the very least.  I'm betting they'll also introduce a new premium-only deck.

You should read the NDR more often!  :))
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 21, 2012, 05:34:44 AM
Seal = innovative

Deck... Well let's see.

Who's betting that there will be 2 decks? White and Black.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 22, 2012, 12:26:31 AM
Seal = innovative

Deck... Well let's see.

Who's betting that there will be 2 decks? White and Black.
Probably, they started it with a set, they'll end it with a set.

P.S. - Dan & Dave gave us a 15% coupon code to use Friday only: CARBON7
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: amateur101 on November 22, 2012, 02:04:53 AM
uhhh from perspective i find that it'll be in black with a v4-v6 design but again in black. Iunno im only takng this as a hint from the carbon in the code that was given to us. who knows maybe it'll be white and black with a newer design of the v1-v3 but my bet is that its one color and yea
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 22, 2012, 04:34:42 AM
In the coupon email, who noticed the hidden black v6 card? I really hope it's not the card we saw in v6.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 22, 2012, 05:49:20 AM
now that you've said it...... Oh my. Guess we will just have to wait and see.

On a side note, why does my IP keep getting banned by UC for no reason?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: vmagic on November 22, 2012, 08:17:58 AM
Seal = innovative

Deck... Well let's see.

Who's betting that there will be 2 decks? White and Black.
Probably, they started it with a set, they'll end it with a set.

P.S. - Dan & Dave gave us a 15% coupon code to use Friday only:

They didn't say to share the code with the world!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 22, 2012, 10:31:28 AM
Seal = innovative

Deck... Well let's see.

Who's betting that there will be 2 decks? White and Black.
Probably, they started it with a set, they'll end it with a set.

P.S. - Dan & Dave gave us a 15% coupon code to use Friday only:

They didn't say to share the code with the world!
They didn't say not to!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Russell CircleCityCards on November 22, 2012, 11:24:57 AM
On a side note, why does my IP keep getting banned by UC for no reason?
[size=78%]Send me a PM here and I will look into it.  [/size]

[size=78%]Ohh I figured it out, your IP address is one number off from a known spammer.  I'll fix it within a few minutes.[/size]
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 22, 2012, 11:36:53 AM
On a side note, why does my IP keep getting banned by UC for no reason?
[size=78%]Send me a PM here and I will look into it.  [/size]

[size=78%]Ohh I figured it out, your IP address is one number off from a known spammer.  I'll fix it within a few minutes.[/size]
Are you serious? My phone's IP has been banned on and off but I tried my computer in the afternoon a few hours ago and it seems my computer's IP has been banned too.

Back on topic. The v7s are due in less than 24 hours. If it ends with a set that would be great but a bigger whole in our wallets. however I would think that such an ending would be smmore spectacular than 1. I wonder why they put a sneaky hidden v6 black back card.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 22, 2012, 12:09:14 PM
Seal = innovative

Deck... Well let's see.

Who's betting that there will be 2 decks? White and Black.
Probably, they started it with a set, they'll end it with a set.

P.S. - Dan & Dave gave us a 15% coupon code to use Friday only:

They didn't say to share the code with the world!
They didn't say not to!


Vmagic, THEY shared the code with the world, why shouldn't Evan?  I got the same email and I know I'm not the only one.


I have a suspicion that the v7 will end up being the "carbon fiber" deck everyone talked about when v6 and that black card came out.  If so, that would be a massive disappointment.  I hope for their sake that isn't the case.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 22, 2012, 07:13:00 PM
Too much teasing D&D! - First, the pictures, now with a "flashback" of all their creations from the v1. I bet tomorrow, we'll get another cardistry video featuring D&D showcasing the v7's minutes before their release. Hehe.

They didn't say to share the code with the world!
Don's got it right. They were the ones who released the code to the public.
THEY shared the code with the world, why shouldn't Evan? 
I'm not Evan.
I have a suspicion that the v7 will end up being the "carbon fiber" deck everyone talked about when v6 and that black card came out.  If so, that would be a massive disappointment. 
I too hope that doesn't happen. Their teasers are driving me berserk!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 23, 2012, 08:44:28 AM

Don's got it right. They were the ones who released the code to the public.
THEY shared the code with the world, why shouldn't Evan? 

I'm not Evan.

Seems legitimate.

EDIT: weird... 2 hours out, no hype. In fact the hype has been quite minimal compared to last years v6 release. I hope we can applause the ending of this magnificent series with a standing ovation.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 23, 2012, 09:42:56 AM
don't members get to purchase the decks 1 hour in advance?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Aaron on November 23, 2012, 11:09:41 AM
This is BS you can even buy single decks you can only buy the $85 box set.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Paul Carpenter on November 23, 2012, 11:14:01 AM
This is BS you can even buy single decks you can only buy the $85 box set.

Have to say that was an odd choice. That works out to a pretty hefty price per deck, and they were all done in a run of at least 10,000 so they're not exactly a rarity. The non polka-dotted ones look awesome but for someone like me that wants to open and use them, I'm stuck. If you get a collector set, you don't want to "ruin" it by opening it, but I certainly am not going to buy two of them.

Hmm. I would have bought 3-4 of the Si Scott design decks instantly but this is giving me pause.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: primary_sequence on November 23, 2012, 11:15:40 AM
I don't see the v7 anywhere. Can you guys link me to the page?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on November 23, 2012, 11:17:15 AM
Here ya go
 
http://shop.dananddave.com/smoke-and-mirrors-deluxe-box-set.html (http://shop.dananddave.com/smoke-and-mirrors-deluxe-box-set.html)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 23, 2012, 11:22:39 AM
this looks bad. There is an error now. but even though there is an error I still cannot decide how many to buy.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: K on November 23, 2012, 11:23:15 AM
10,000 it'll last awhile i think, at least with that price tag. I'll just check back tmr morning, gotta wake up a lil earlier before work. lags like hell and now i've been getting errors..
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on November 23, 2012, 11:28:00 AM
10,000 it'll last awhile i think, at least with that price tag. I'll just check back tmr morning, gotta wake up a lil earlier before work. lags like hell and now i've been getting errors..
Heck, with 10,000.   I bet these last for a couple months if not longer.   No rush here, gonna hold out till after I get my Split Spades and other Black Friday merchandise.   And even then, I probably wont get this.   I already own all the sets.   Why buy them all again just to sit on my shelf.   Mehh...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on November 23, 2012, 11:28:34 AM
so will i be getting both decks from the first 3 runs?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 23, 2012, 11:32:10 AM
10,000 it'll last awhile i think, at least with that price tag. I'll just check back tmr morning, gotta wake up a lil earlier before work. lags like hell and now i've been getting errors..
Heck, with 10,000.   I bet these last for a couple months if not longer.   No rush here, gonna hold out till after I get my Split Spades and other Black Friday merchandise.   And even then, I probably wont get this.   I already own all the sets.   Why buy them all again just to sit on my shelf.   Mehh...
the Split spades are here. Get them while they last. They are super cheap.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Dmitriy Cards808 on November 23, 2012, 11:34:22 AM
so will i be getting both decks from the first 3 runs?
Lol you are kidding
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: 10ofclubs on November 23, 2012, 11:34:49 AM
Are you fucking kidding me? I just spent 500 bucks two days ago on the first six editions and now they're rereleasing them all?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on November 23, 2012, 11:36:26 AM
so will i be getting both decks from the first 3 runs?
Lol you are kidding

no ass hole, im not. considering it doesn't show in the pic and the site is down idk.  anymore douche bag comments to make?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Dmitriy Cards808 on November 23, 2012, 11:45:47 AM
"Coupon code "CARBON7" is not valid" looks like a mockery
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 23, 2012, 11:47:42 AM
Can't tell if the box is deeper than it looks... I'm assuming this is just 6 decks. 7,6,5,4 then black and white.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: primary_sequence on November 23, 2012, 11:51:01 AM
"Coupon code "CARBON7" is not valid" looks like a mockery

Standard shipping $13, after $12.74 discount, total comes to $85.21
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 23, 2012, 11:54:39 AM
from what I deduce from the pics, the blue, red, green, white and black are reprints. The v7 are new. They are not the previous ones. The box and insides are totally new!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Dmitriy Cards808 on November 23, 2012, 11:55:47 AM
from what I deduce from the pics, the blue, red, green, white and black are reprints. The v7 are new. They are not the previous ones. The box and insides are totally new!
Ahh come on... that is super-innovative, ultra-new design??
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 23, 2012, 11:57:26 AM
for some reason I was logged into a random customers account lolol. by gosh do they spend a lot of money on d&d,
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on November 23, 2012, 11:57:47 AM
from what I deduce from the pics, the blue, red, green, white and black are reprints. The v7 are new. They are not the previous ones. The box and insides are totally new!
There are no new V7's decks.   They stated that instead of coming out with another edition they have reproduced the entire set.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 23, 2012, 11:58:33 AM
Here are some pic for those who still cannot log-in
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 23, 2012, 12:00:13 PM
from what I deduce from the pics, the blue, red, green, white and black are reprints. The v7 are new. They are not the previous ones. The box and insides are totally new!
There are no new V7's decks.   They stated that instead of coming out with another edition they have reproduced the entire set.

Crap idea to do that. It is now 3 o'clock here yay!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: primary_sequence on November 23, 2012, 12:00:52 PM
the last picture, the left-most deck seems to be the v7
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 23, 2012, 12:06:18 PM
lets have more pics while the site is semi-up
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 23, 2012, 12:07:34 PM
last few pictures
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: twiscold on November 23, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
All the versions are redesigned, just look at the tuck box
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 23, 2012, 12:09:40 PM
Is anyone else getting a bug where you can see other peoples carts?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Paul.Middleton on November 23, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
for some reason I was logged into a random customers account lolol. by gosh do they spend a lot of money on d&d,

You're not the only own. I've just seen a checkout page with checkout details - not good news for them. People complaining about same thing on their Facebook page.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 23, 2012, 12:13:21 PM
Is anyone else getting a bug where you can see other peoples carts?
yup. I think I will go to sleep and wake up tmr to buy.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 23, 2012, 12:16:16 PM
Holy poop some guy is going to drop 1K+ in their order.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Aaron on November 23, 2012, 12:18:05 PM
D&D should be shutting down their site so people dont use others credit cards to pay.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 23, 2012, 12:19:23 PM
I dont think you can though as you always have to re-enter credit card information.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sr15 on November 23, 2012, 12:20:42 PM
reprints of all the old versions? If they were originals then this would be a pretty insane deal (v4-v6 can already run you over 70 bucks on ebay, so add in the even rarer v3s and the new v7s and it works out to a lot less than you'd pay for for each deck individually). 10000 reprints each is basically a joke, especially for 85 bucks a set. If they release the deck individually then I'll consider getting them but this is just a huge letdown imo.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 23, 2012, 12:22:13 PM
I am extremely disappointed with this release. They have a world renowned playing card series and they end it like this?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 23, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
reprints of all the old versions? If they were originals then this would be a pretty insane deal (v4-v6 can already run you over 70 bucks on ebay, so add in the even rarer v3s and the new v7s and it works out to a lot less than you'd pay for for each deck individually). 10000 reprints each is basically a joke, especially for 85 bucks a set. If they release the deck individually then I'll consider getting them but this is just a huge letdown imo.

I completely agree. As much as I love Dan and Dave's products, this is a huge let down. For one, its cheapens the value of the original decks and the series and when you release a deck called v7 we expect it to be a singular deck. Now it's not so much that stuff that pisses me off. It's the fact that a quality company has become subjected to the collector community and has not necessarily been disregarding their main targets (Cardists and Magicians) but they seem to have lost that special touch. I think this release was overboard. Sorry, but that's how I feel.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: agera94 on November 23, 2012, 12:30:35 PM
The way this was hyped up had me thinking the v7 was going to be a completely redesigned deck, still sticking with the themes of Smoke and Mirrors. But in reality it's just a recoloured deck thrown in with a box of reprinted decks. And to put the icing on the cake, I can't even navigate my account without being shown the order information of different members.......
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: twiscold on November 23, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
so for sure there is no individual releases? i guess it doesnt matter now. just bought 5 bricks of Silver Split Spades and i am more than happy 
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 23, 2012, 12:37:51 PM
so for sure there is no individual releases? i guess it doesnt matter now. just bought 5 bricks of Silver Split Spades and i am more than happy

Holy shit that's a lot.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on November 23, 2012, 12:40:54 PM
Although I still am very disappointed with this new release because the V7s have not been redesigned, D&D said this on their Twitter account:

Question:
@bucktwins will the v7 be offered individually? Thanks. Gorgeous box set!

Reply:
@joshbrand right now, the v7 is only available as part of the box set.

They also stated that there would be no more V7s.... taken by me to mean to more will be printed
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: vmagic on November 23, 2012, 01:10:36 PM
How did you get the split spades? They dont come out until sunday!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Evan on November 23, 2012, 01:14:24 PM
How did you get the split spades? They dont come out until sunday!
He probably got them by ordering them on www.davidblaine.com
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on November 23, 2012, 01:18:05 PM
You can buy the V7s apart from the collection now.... if you buy the corresponding uncut sheets for $29.95!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: poisonpuppet on November 23, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
This is so stupid! Not only have they destroyed the series by printing 10,000 but they have ruined our hard efforts in collecting the originals v3-v6 -.- I think this is so stupid! $85 for 6 virtually unlimited decks... What is going on :(
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: twiscold on November 23, 2012, 01:39:00 PM
profit thats what happened
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sr15 on November 23, 2012, 02:13:17 PM
I mean it's not like they're making money directly from sales on the previous versions anymore, so this really seems like one last attempt to cash in on the smoke and mirrors brand for them. It's a shame though, because they basically had one of the most well-known and respected brands in playing cards, took it out back and shot it in the head by flooding the market with another 60,000 decks.

I guess that's really it for the series. Probably won't matter to D&D since they can just laugh all the way to the bank, but it's gonna hurt the value and collectability of the rest of the series (except maybe for the first two editions, but even then I could see them being worth less)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Frost on November 23, 2012, 02:17:15 PM
This is so stupid! Not only have they destroyed the series by printing 10,000 but they have ruined our hard efforts in collecting the originals v3-v6 -.- I think this is so stupid! $85 for 6 virtually unlimited decks... What is going on :(
It doesn't ruin anything it only ruins it for people that are selling them for more than they are really worth !
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: xela on November 23, 2012, 03:49:14 PM
I don't think this ruins the original v1-v6 at all.

The originals are different, v1-3 all have different designs and are printed on really good stock from Cincinnati. They're amazing decks. The reprints are on soft Kentucky stock.

Also, the originals are THE ORIGINALS. Would you want a brick of the new ones for $50 or a brick of the original ones for $100? You may want the cheaper option, but for collectors, and as a collector myself, reprints are mostly ignored.

I will say that this is a sad end to the series.

I have eight spots left open on my shelf for the conclusion to the S&M decks, but I don't know what to put there now since all they did was release a recolored deck and useless reprints in a box (how do I display a box on my shelf?)

This just goes to show you how far the mighty can fall when they hop on the half-ass bandwagon that literally 99% of producers are on right now.

Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: vmagic on November 23, 2012, 06:43:06 PM
I don't think this ruins the original v1-v6 at all.

The originals are different, v1-3 all have different designs and are printed on really good stock from Cincinnati. They're amazing decks. The reprints are on soft Kentucky stock.

Also, the originals are THE ORIGINALS. Would you want a brick of the new ones for $50 or a brick of the original ones for $100? You may want the cheaper option, but for collectors, and as a collector myself, reprints are mostly ignored.

I will say that this is a sad end to the series.

I have eight spots left open on my shelf for the conclusion to the S&M decks, but I don't know what to put there now since all they did was release a recolored deck and useless reprints in a box (how do I display a box on my shelf?)

This just goes to show you how far the mighty can fall when they hop on the half-ass bandwagon that literally 99% of producers are on right now.

Yes that is all true, however I have never seen a brick of the originals anywhere, let alone for $100. And personally I think this is great for everyone who didn't get a chance to get the originals. I've managed to get everything but the V2s but I still got this.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: xela on November 23, 2012, 06:47:00 PM
I don't think this ruins the original v1-v6 at all.

The originals are different, v1-3 all have different designs and are printed on really good stock from Cincinnati. They're amazing decks. The reprints are on soft Kentucky stock.

Also, the originals are THE ORIGINALS. Would you want a brick of the new ones for $50 or a brick of the original ones for $100? You may want the cheaper option, but for collectors, and as a collector myself, reprints are mostly ignored.

I will say that this is a sad end to the series.

I have eight spots left open on my shelf for the conclusion to the S&M decks, but I don't know what to put there now since all they did was release a recolored deck and useless reprints in a box (how do I display a box on my shelf?)

This just goes to show you how far the mighty can fall when they hop on the half-ass bandwagon that literally 99% of producers are on right now.

Yes that is all true, however I have never seen a brick of the originals anywhere, let alone for $100. And personally I think this is great for everyone who didn't get a chance to get the originals. I've managed to get everything but the V2s but I still got this.

You can get a brick of these? As far I see you can only get a box set. I would be down for a brick of the Carbon decks (if they were reasonably priced) as well as some of the other ones.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 23, 2012, 07:55:23 PM
IMHO, I think this is a great way to end the series. For those who didn't manage to own any of the previous version, you can at least now get a feel of how they look like and feel. For collectors who already have the previous versions, this is slightly different and are numbered and signed. I personally would get 2 sets. 1 to open and 1 to keep. They also reprinted the v3s which I think have the nicest back design as compared to the v1 and 2. Although the price is a little on the high side, the resale value and collective should answer for it. What's more? U get the v7 which we all have been waitin for
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: twiscold on November 23, 2012, 10:54:52 PM
this only hurts the resellers so idk still a big let down tho
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 24, 2012, 12:45:47 AM
And here I thought they were only going to screw up by making the v7 in the same design as v4-6 with a new color...but they managed to take it a level higher.

As I've said before, love the magic they sell, they're really nice guys, but their decks (at least to me) are a different story.  The decks may have been much greater in the past, but now they're little more than a deck factory - how many releases did they have this year alone?  And the decks they designed were (again, in my opinion) kind of lackluster.

But I'm sure that in time they'll sell every single box, especially to those new collectors for whom the originals are just out of reach in terms of price.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 24, 2012, 01:13:23 AM
And here I thought they were only going to screw up by making the v7 in the same design as v4-6 with a new color...but they managed to take it a level higher.

As I've said before, love the magic they sell, they're really nice guys, but their decks (at least to me) are a different story.  The decks may have been much greater in the past, but now they're little more than a deck factory - how many releases did they have this year alone?  And the decks they designed were (again, in my opinion) kind of lackluster.

But I'm sure that in time they'll sell every single box, especially to those new collectors for whom the originals are just out of reach in terms of price.

You hit the nail on the head there. The deck releases were ones you looked forward to in the past. They were great releases and they hype was worth it. THIS however is a case of them being greedy and having absolute lacklustre products. Disappointing end.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 24, 2012, 02:15:02 AM
this only hurts the resellers so idk still a big let down tho
It also hurts those buyers who are only interested in the v7 deck too!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: sr15 on November 24, 2012, 02:56:43 AM
I really think it hurts the entire series overall, since the amount of different decks in the series essentially doubled overnight, and there are 60000 extra decks in the series that used to be quite limited.  I don't think I would mind as much if they only released a reprint of only the v6s or even the v5s, but to go all the way back to v3s is really just diluting the value of owning any individual deck in the series, resale or not (again, v1 and v2 aren't really affected by this and I think their value won't drop).

so yes, it hurts resellers, although I and pretty much everyone here don't care about them. It hurts people who only wanted v7s, but it also hurts people who already own the originals, imo. I don't actually have any Smoke and Mirrors besides v6 so don't take this like I'm complaining about my own decks, but this is just in my opinion somewhat of a downfall of a once prestigious series of playing cards.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 24, 2012, 03:11:48 AM
I really think it hurts the entire series overall, since the amount of different decks in the series essentially doubled overnight, and there are 60000 extra decks in the series that used to be quite limited.  I don't think I would mind as much if they only released a reprint of only the v6s or even the v5s, but to go all the way back to v3s is really just diluting the value of owning any individual deck in the series, resale or not (again, v1 and v2 aren't really affected by this and I think their value won't drop).

so yes, it hurts resellers, although I and pretty much everyone here don't care about them. It hurts people who only wanted v7s, but it also hurts people who already own the originals, imo. I don't actually have any Smoke and Mirrors besides v6 so don't take this like I'm complaining about my own decks, but this is just in my opinion somewhat of a downfall of a once prestigious series of playing cards.

These reprints are just that - REPRINTS.  The only new deck in there is v7.  The other decks are not identical to the original versions, so no, they don't serve as replacements for them.  If someone can't afford the originals and just likes the style, that person would be thrilled to have this boxed set.  But to real collectors, it doesn't mean a lot, unless they happen to be hardcore completists.  To less-rabid collectors, only the v7 deck matters.

To not sell the v7 deck separately - it's nuts.  It's going to take weeks, if not months, to sell out that print run.  It will likely be the first - and last - S&M release to take so long to sell out.

And don't delude yourself into thinking that the series was all that limited.  While the first versions were likely made in small numbers, since they had no idea of how they'd appeal to customers and the custom deck craze was very new, the latter versions were ordered in quantities of 20-30K.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on November 24, 2012, 03:34:04 AM
I really think it hurts the entire series overall, since the amount of different decks in the series essentially doubled overnight, and there are 60000 extra decks in the series that used to be quite limited.  I don't think I would mind as much if they only released a reprint of only the v6s or even the v5s, but to go all the way back to v3s is really just diluting the value of owning any individual deck in the series, resale or not (again, v1 and v2 aren't really affected by this and I think their value won't drop).

so yes, it hurts resellers, although I and pretty much everyone here don't care about them. It hurts people who only wanted v7s, but it also hurts people who already own the originals, imo. I don't actually have any Smoke and Mirrors besides v6 so don't take this like I'm complaining about my own decks, but this is just in my opinion somewhat of a downfall of a once prestigious series of playing cards.

These reprints are just that - REPRINTS.  The only new deck in there is v7.  The other decks are not identical to the original versions, so no, they don't serve as replacements for them.  If someone can't afford the originals and just likes the style, that person would be thrilled to have this boxed set.  But to real collectors, it doesn't mean a lot, unless they happen to be hardcore completists.  To less-rabid collectors, only the v7 deck matters.

To not sell the v7 deck separately - it's nuts.  It's going to take weeks, if not months, to sell out that print run.  It will likely be the first - and last - S&M release to take so long to sell out.

And don't delude yourself into thinking that the series was all that limited.  While the first versions were likely made in small numbers, since they had no idea of how they'd appeal to customers and the custom deck craze was very new, the latter versions were ordered in quantities of 20-30K.
I second that. The reprints are actually slightly different from the previous versions, With the box, court cards, and jokers being slightly different from the 'originals'. The court cards are now standard and recolored instead of simplified, the box looks like it has a matte finish and is embossed has the new S&M logo (which I think completes the boxes and the v4, 5 and 6 had a 'hole in the centre of the box front) and the jokers don't have the 'D' pips on the corners. Not forgetting the perforated seals. The smoke and mirror box also makes this very much a collectable.

This is like a mini-review from the pictures shone.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: chisairi on November 24, 2012, 03:58:57 AM
for people like me who doesnt own any S&M. the box is perfect. D&D made a smart choice by letting go the old customers and try to suck in new customers.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: phantom1412 on November 24, 2012, 04:11:32 AM
I'm fine with the all new smoke&mirrors, the old one will remain value no matter what.
But what seems not fair is the price. 85$ should get you a brick not just half brick.
The box set wont cause that much you know.

Also, I believe there are some people who bought this set thinking they will get the original v3-v6.
Some might bought a lot of sets, hmmm don't know what they'll feel after they see it themself that those are all reprints.

Pictures are not cleared, words are not cleared.
And they once said that V6 is their last colored SM.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: 10ofclubs on November 24, 2012, 11:47:59 AM
I don't really mind this release. I mean, I was hoping it would be just one deck and I could get two or three of them for a few bucks so I was pretty surprised by this. I ordered the entire original series a few days ago, but I'm never going to use them, so this is a nice way to enjoy them (sort of) without opening the originals and also getting the last of the series. The price is a little high but I can save up since they'll be in stock a while.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 24, 2012, 12:13:26 PM
I don't really mind this release. I mean, I was hoping it would be just one deck and I could get two or three of them for a few bucks so I was pretty surprised by this. I ordered the entire original series a few days ago, but I'm never going to use them, so this is a nice way to enjoy them (sort of) without opening the originals and also getting the last of the series. The price is a little high but I can save up since they'll be in stock a while.


At over $14 a deck for the set, it'll be around a GOOD while...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: TheDespotes on November 24, 2012, 02:23:55 PM
About the price of the originals,
some people complain that the price of the originals will get lower, I say that those people don't need to complain! Has the first edition of the black ghost deck lowered in value, after the internet flooded with second editions? I dont think so, so dont complain!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 24, 2012, 05:44:07 PM
Has the first edition of the black ghost deck lowered in value, after the internet flooded with second editions? I dont think so, so dont complain!
I think it has. Did the first 1st Edition Black Ghost sell for $200, now the price has cut in half.

EDIT: For those who were looking to get a v7 the cheaper method, by purchasing an uncut sheet, tough luck, because they are sold out. Better get the Deluxe Box before they're gone.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 24, 2012, 09:18:34 PM
Has the first edition of the black ghost deck lowered in value, after the internet flooded with second editions? I dont think so, so dont complain!
I think it has. Did the first 1st Edition Black Ghost sell for $200, now the price has cut in half.


Actually, it first sold for as much as $450.  The price drop had nothing to do with the release of the second edition and more to do with more of them becoming available in the marketplace.  Most rare decks sell high at first then stabilize at a lower price.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on November 25, 2012, 05:56:13 AM
I'm not trying to contradict myself but these are starting to grow on me. The only thing that gets me is the price and the court cards.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: ruicorreia on November 26, 2012, 06:07:34 PM
Does this mean that the twins are messing around with us and after all there is a new S&M deck?
Now I'm confused!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: lordlupus on November 26, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Does this mean that the twins are messing around with us and after all there is a new S&M deck?
Now I'm confused!

V7 is the Deluxe set with 6 decks. Carbon is the new coloured, the other 5 are reprints with modifications with the cards. All 6 decks are V7.

V1-3 are 2 decks each. V7 happens to be 6.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: ruicorreia on November 26, 2012, 06:53:47 PM
Ah, ok. Thank you for the explanation.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 26, 2012, 08:26:41 PM
All 6 decks are V7.

Yep! - That's why Fulton stated in his newsletter that v7 was more than just a deck, it was the whole series.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: xela on November 27, 2012, 01:44:03 AM
About the price of the originals,
some people complain that the price of the originals will get lower, I say that those people don't need to complain! Has the first edition of the black ghost deck lowered in value, after the internet flooded with second editions? I dont think so, so dont complain!

1st Ed. BG sold for $400-500 in its prime, and now sells for ~100 because of all the "limited" decks on the market. The BGv1 has a totally different design than BGv2 though. v2 is not a reprint of v1.

Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 27, 2012, 01:57:33 AM
About the price of the originals,
some people complain that the price of the originals will get lower, I say that those people don't need to complain! Has the first edition of the black ghost deck lowered in value, after the internet flooded with second editions? I dont think so, so dont complain!

1st Ed. BG sold for $400-500 in its prime, and now sells for ~100 because of all the "limited" decks on the market. The BGv1 has a totally different design than BGv2 though. v2 is not a reprint of v1.

I know there are slight differences between the decks, but for the most part, they're the same.  The biggest differences are in the jokers and the box, and that's about it.  BGv1 and BGv2 are about as different from each other as White Lions Series A and Series B.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: MrMollusk on November 27, 2012, 09:21:51 AM
I'm having mixed feelings about this. I really hoped they'd release a single deck for purchase, but I kind of like the idea of the entire series revamp. I don't think that these will drop the value of the original because they're all sold in a set, not individually.
The REAL disappointment comes from the fact that the court cards don't have that minimalistic style that the previous decks do.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 27, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
I'm having mixed feelings about this. I really hoped they'd release a single deck for purchase, but I kind of like the idea of the entire series revamp. I don't think that these will drop the value of the original because they're all sold in a set, not individually.
The REAL disappointment comes from the fact that the court cards don't have that minimalistic style that the previous decks do.


All in all, I consider it disappointing.  But I lost interest in their decks anyway, so it's no big loss to me.  That court card thing, though - it was what made the decks unique and appealing.  Ditching those was a tactical error, I think.  As well as not releasing a real v7 deck instead of a boxed set.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: MrMollusk on November 29, 2012, 11:17:46 AM
Yeah... I think I might have to pass on picking up a box set.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Paul Carpenter on November 29, 2012, 08:09:04 PM
Saw via twitter tonight that apparently they are taking each deck and hand applying the seals, and there does not appear to be any cellophane. That answers the question of how they would make sure their special seal gets aligned right with the tuck flap.

Having just hand applied a bunch of those myself, that is not an enviable job, when you have 60,000 decks to do. Uh.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 29, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Saw via twitter tonight that apparently they are taking each deck and hand applying the seals, and there does not appear to be any cellophane. That answers the question of how they would make sure their special seal gets aligned right with the tuck flap.

Having just hand applied a bunch of those myself, that is not an enviable job, when you have 60,000 decks to do. Uh.
That's probably why it costs so much. It's very tedious and takes a very long while to apply that many on.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: DeckReview on November 30, 2012, 12:25:03 AM
I'm all for one on this box set. I never bought or owned any of the Smoke and Mirrors ever. When  the smoke and mirrors came out, I was only a senior in high school with no job or money  :P

Sure the V7 set is not exactly the same as the original versions but the backs of the cards are super cool, especially the black carbon fiber back. I'm definitely buying this.

In my opinion, I don't think this set will lower the value of the previous versions because the older version have superior simplified court cards and I think good face coloring. They did some funky coloring on this new set with colors matching the backs... nasty... I'm not opening the green and blue deck for sure. Definitely opening the red and black dot patterned decks and the black designer back deck because they look coolest in my opinion.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: amateur101 on December 10, 2012, 07:31:33 PM
just recieved mine today and cracked them all open! the v3s are using a slightly darkened card stock, you will definetly notice it on the white ones and the v4,v5,v7 has metallic backs and the hearts and diamonds are the color of the deck and are metallic as well, same with some of the court cards. They got a wierd smell but will sure go away after some time. I really enjoy this collection and do not regret buying it even tho people dislike the are reprints its great for the people who do not have the money to blow on the originals oh and it has a bit smaller borders and softer stock
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on December 10, 2012, 07:59:24 PM
Technically, most decks have a unique smell, but that smell diminishes over time. I should have a video unboxing of all my Black Friday packages, including the Deluxe Box, up at the end of the week. I just have to find time for Youtube to upload 16 hours worth of HD video. : P
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on December 10, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
just recieved mine today and cracked them all open! the v3s are using a slightly darkened card stock, you will definetly notice it on the white ones and the v4,v5,v7 has metallic backs and the hearts and diamonds are the color of the deck and are metallic as well, same with some of the court cards. They got a wierd smell but will sure go away after some time. I really enjoy this collection and do not regret buying it even tho people dislike the are reprints its great for the people who do not have the money to blow on the originals oh and it has a bit smaller borders and softer stock

I was starting to get very tempted to buy these but in the end I found that it would be more fulfilling to get the originals. My reason being that they are rarer and have a lot more charisma and history to them.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on December 10, 2012, 10:46:30 PM
just recieved mine today and cracked them all open! the v3s are using a slightly darkened card stock, you will definetly notice it on the white ones and the v4,v5,v7 has metallic backs and the hearts and diamonds are the color of the deck and are metallic as well, same with some of the court cards. They got a wierd smell but will sure go away after some time. I really enjoy this collection and do not regret buying it even tho people dislike the are reprints its great for the people who do not have the money to blow on the originals oh and it has a bit smaller borders and softer stock

I was starting to get very tempted to buy these but in the end I found that it would be more fulfilling to get the originals. My reason being that they are rarer and have a lot more charisma and history to them.
In a few years to come, these will turn rarer and have a much history to the too. Factoring in the custom seals, signatures and the custom box, I think they are definitely worth the price. What you are paying for is guaranteed quality.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on December 11, 2012, 02:38:31 AM
They got a wierd smell but will sure go away after some time.

All USPC finishes have a distinctive smell.  I can tell when a deck is coated in Magic Finish just from the smell - it tends to be a bit stronger.

I was starting to get very tempted to buy these but in the end I found that it would be more fulfilling to get the originals. My reason being that they are rarer and have a lot more charisma and history to them.
In a few years to come, these will turn rarer and have a much history to the too. Factoring in the custom seals, signatures and the custom box, I think they are definitely worth the price. What you are paying for is guaranteed quality.

"Turn rarer"?  Are you planning to destroy a lot of the v1-6 decks sometime soon?

If by "have a much history to the too" you actually meant "have AS much history to THEM, too", I have reservations about that.  The originals had better court cards and the earliest decks were made at the Cincinnati plant on good quality stock.

Factoring in...

...the seals.  Meh.  It's just a sticker.  The trend used to be for no deck seals, now it's for custom deck seals - and in a year, it'll probably be something else, not unlike the trend for black decks.  People couldn't get enough of them when they came out.  Now they're somewhat quaint, especially since people know they show edge damage more rapidly...

...the signatures.  It's not like D&D never signed anything up 'til now.
...custom box.  It's more of a curiosity, though it might make the set worth a little something extra, particularly when factoring in the serial numbers.

...worth the price.  Let's break it down - $85 for six packs of cards.  That's just over $14 a pack.  For a new deck, that doesn't sound like a huge value to me.  The originals were what, $8 a pack when they came out?  $7?

...guaranteed quality.  Practically any custom deck coming out of Kentucky today is a quality deck - that's not really a distinction these days; it doesn't make the deck stand out head-and-shoulders above any other custom USPC deck.

The one and only factor that these have going for them as a valuable asset in the future is that they made 10,000 sets - the early decks were short runs, but by the time v6 came out, they were printing about 20-30K per print run (and the S&M decks had only one print run each).  But scarcity doesn't add up to higher future price.  There were more Bicycle Centurion decks in white made (about 1,100) than there were white Bicycle Gold Seal New Fan Backs (only 1,000).  But I have never seen a White Centurion going for less than the Gold Seal NFBs at auction or retail - usually they're more expensive by a multiple.  There were 5,000 Bicycle Black Ghost 1st Edition decks made and even they sell for more than the white Gold Seal NFBs.  It doesn't make that deck any less or more scarce - it's just not where the market is focused.

This boxed set is not a reprinting - it's an homage to the originals.  But as such, it's more of a pale shadow when compared with them.  Don't count on them becoming more valuable than the originals in your lifetime.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on December 11, 2012, 05:54:07 AM
They would definitely not cost as much as the original but the reason I think they have not sold out yet is because they cost slightly more than the average deck which is actually good for the aftermarket as the inflation would not be as much during the initial phase when they have not sold out but no one really knows what will happen after they sell out (if u know what I am saying).

As for the quality, I reckon that the smoke and mirrors just have this this distinct feel that packets stay together during aeriel cuts but the deck still fans nicely.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on December 11, 2012, 06:13:28 AM
Don, they were all $5.95 each.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Knobz1 on December 11, 2012, 08:06:58 AM
Don, they were all $5.95 each.
I was just gonna mention that.   Cant beat 2 bricks of S&M V1's at $5.95 a deck.   :bosswalk:
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on December 11, 2012, 11:28:39 AM
They would definitely not cost as much as the original but the reason I think they have not sold out yet is because they cost slightly more than the average deck which is actually good for the aftermarket as the inflation would not be as much during the initial phase when they have not sold out but no one really knows what will happen after they sell out (if u know what I am saying).

As for the quality, I reckon that the smoke and mirrors just have this this distinct feel that packets stay together during aeriel cuts but the deck still fans nicely.


Original, or "new car smell"?


Look at it like this.  S&M v1-3 were like fine works of music.  S&M v4-6 were like remixes - not as good, but still retaining some of that charm.  S&M v7 is the bastard child of the wedding band and the karaoke machine - a pale imitation.


Mind you, this is strictly from the perspective of DESIGN.


Performance-wise, the v7s are probably coated in Magic Finish since it became the USPC default for custom decks.  They used to charge extra for it, or you got it free if you were making a deck with one of their name brands.  Now, you get it free and you actually have to request the original finish if you want it on your deck!  D&D have always been mum about the specifics of their stock and finish, but since we all know there's not much left to choose from these days, we have a pretty good idea of what they're using.


Don, they were all $5.95 each.


...which makes $14 imitations look all the more ridiculous.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on December 11, 2012, 04:38:11 PM
Thing is, handling. I have not handled these but by the sound of it the may have buggered it up with metallic ink. I've heard good things about the handling, but nothing really from Cardists. I congratulate the twins for a decent finale for their famed cards and I LOVE the originals, like absolutely LOVE (top ten decks love). I think the simplification process was a little confused. One of my pet hates with these cards is the standard court cards recoloured and the pips! Why on God's Green Earth would they make the pips different colour to what they're supposed to be? That's like Magic Makers *shiver. Denim has baby blue instead of the red pips WTF! One of the key points to the cards are the simplified court cards, and they simplified them by un-simplifying? Odd.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Russell CircleCityCards on December 11, 2012, 04:50:21 PM
I have not handled these but by the sound of it the may have buggered it up with metallic ink.


(http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/a0/294x294px-LL-a0823f7c_Oh-Boy-here-we-go-again.jpeg)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on December 11, 2012, 06:21:47 PM
lol all the ink is fine. the edges are shit out of the box and they take quite some time to break in. after that period they feel just like every other custom deck because every custom deck feels the same practically.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on December 11, 2012, 10:40:24 PM
I have not handled these but by the sound of it the may have buggered it up with metallic ink.


(http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/a0/294x294px-LL-a0823f7c_Oh-Boy-here-we-go-again.jpeg)

Haha what? I don't like metallic ink on my playing cards ;)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on December 12, 2012, 01:20:54 AM
Thing is, handling. I have not handled these but by the sound of it the may have buggered it up with metallic ink. I've heard good things about the handling, but nothing really from Cardists. I congratulate the twins for a decent finale for their famed cards and I LOVE the originals, like absolutely LOVE (top ten decks love). I think the simplification process was a little confused. One of my pet hates with these cards is the standard court cards recoloured and the pips! Why on God's Green Earth would they make the pips different colour to what they're supposed to be? That's like Magic Makers *shiver. Denim has baby blue instead of the red pips WTF! One of the key points to the cards are the simplified court cards, and they simplified them by un-simplifying? Odd.

Metallic ink stopped being an issue when USPC started offering Magic Finish.  Magic Finish has been the default for USPC Custom for several months now.

Cardists are likely not commenting much because they already own or prefer the originals, or simply don't own these.

Altered colors on pips are an ancient and popular idea - get over it!  At least they aren't using four different colors (atchoo - I have a FLOWERS allergy) or two nearly identically-colored pip sets (coughPURPLEcoughARTIFICEcough) or completely custom pips that don't correspond to the traditional ones (there goes that FLOWERS allergy again)...

The originals had the real simplified (and yet more interesting) courts.  These are just bog standard.  Aside from the flashy colors, that is.

I have not handled these but by the sound of it the may have buggered it up with metallic ink.


(http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/a0/294x294px-LL-a0823f7c_Oh-Boy-here-we-go-again.jpeg)

Haha what? I don't like metallic ink on my playing cards ;)

That's different than saying that the handling is terrible.  One is a statement of fact while the other is a personal preference.

Commenting on the handling of a deck you never handled is about as brilliant as all the Bible-thumping religious folks here in the States who will protest a book they have never read or a movie they have never seen based on what someone else told them about it - and not some divine entity, just another flawed human like themselves who happens to be a religious authority of some sort.  And even that person has likely not read the book or seen the movie - they just heard about it from someone else...

And "the sound of it" doesn't exactly hold up as a criteria by which to judge handling.  All you can state about that is what SOMEONE ELSE said about the handling, someone who also may have no first-hand knowledge of the deck or who is a terrible judge of a deck's handling.  But you also state that you've heard good things about the handling, so you haven't really presented anything that supports that statement about buggered-up handling.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on December 12, 2012, 02:25:19 AM
Thing is, handling. I have not handled these but by the sound of it the may have buggered it up with metallic ink. I've heard good things about the handling, but nothing really from Cardists. I congratulate the twins for a decent finale for their famed cards and I LOVE the originals, like absolutely LOVE (top ten decks love). I think the simplification process was a little confused. One of my pet hates with these cards is the standard court cards recoloured and the pips! Why on God's Green Earth would they make the pips different colour to what they're supposed to be? That's like Magic Makers *shiver. Denim has baby blue instead of the red pips WTF! One of the key points to the cards are the simplified court cards, and they simplified them by un-simplifying? Odd.

Metallic ink stopped being an issue when USPC started offering Magic Finish.  Magic Finish has been the default for USPC Custom for several months now.

Cardists are likely not commenting much because they already own or prefer the originals, or simply don't own these.

Altered colors on pips are an ancient and popular idea - get over it!  At least they aren't using four different colors (atchoo - I have a FLOWERS allergy) or two nearly identically-colored pip sets (coughPURPLEcoughARTIFICEcough) or completely custom pips that don't correspond to the traditional ones (there goes that FLOWERS allergy again)...

The originals had the real simplified (and yet more interesting) courts.  These are just bog standard.  Aside from the flashy colors, that is.

I have not handled these but by the sound of it the may have buggered it up with metallic ink.


(http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/a0/294x294px-LL-a0823f7c_Oh-Boy-here-we-go-again.jpeg)

Haha what? I don't like metallic ink on my playing cards ;)

That's different than saying that the handling is terrible.  One is a statement of fact while the other is a personal preference.

Commenting on the handling of a deck you never handled is about as brilliant as all the Bible-thumping religious folks here in the States who will protest a book they have never read or a movie they have never seen based on what someone else told them about it - and not some divine entity, just another flawed human like themselves who happens to be a religious authority of some sort.  And even that person has likely not read the book or seen the movie - they just heard about it from someone else...

And "the sound of it" doesn't exactly hold up as a criteria by which to judge handling.  All you can state about that is what SOMEONE ELSE said about the handling, someone who also may have no first-hand knowledge of the deck or who is a terrible judge of a deck's handling.  But you also state that you've heard good things about the handling, so you haven't really presented anything that supports that statement about buggered-up handling.

Alrighty. If a deck has metallic ink it will more than likely have magic finish, you even stated that. Thing is, I don't really like magic finish and that means that the handling alters and is unattractive to me. Yes, factors change when using magic finish but I'm still firm on believing that certain combinations lead to bad handling, this MIGHT, I repeat, MIGHT, be the case with Dan and Dave's V7  It's called making an assumption based on the experience of using other magic finish decks. I'm not saying that these have bad handling, I'm simply saying that they MAY have altered the famed handling of the originals through the use of metallic inks, hence magic finish in the v7 decks.

As for recoloured pips and courts, Dan and Dave made a very sudden change and it's unlike them and when it happens it is rare when it does. It's something subjective, and not something that I like. It may be true to say that we're sick of hearing that you won't buy Dan and Dave's playing cards. Get over it, bro.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on December 12, 2012, 03:03:20 AM
Alrighty. If a deck has metallic ink it will more than likely have magic finish, you even stated that. Thing is, I don't really like magic finish and that means that the handling alters and is unattractive to me. Yes, factors change when using magic finish but I'm still firm on believing that certain combinations lead to bad handling, this MIGHT, I repeat, MIGHT, be the case with Dan and Dave's V7  It's called making an assumption based on the experience of using other magic finish decks. I'm not saying that these have bad handling, I'm simply saying that they MAY have altered the famed handling of the originals through the use of metallic inks, hence magic finish in the v7 decks.

As for recoloured pips and courts, Dan and Dave made a very sudden change and it's unlike them and when it happens it is rare when it does. It's something subjective, and not something that I like. It may be true to say that we're sick of hearing that you won't buy Dan and Dave's playing cards. Get over it, bro.

As far as Magic Finish, I know it's not perfect for all occasions but it certainly puts you squarely in the minority.  For whatever that's worth.

As far as the pips - it is what it is.  They were probably concerned about collectors freaking out that the v7 "imitation" decks would be too close to the real thing.  This way, they're nothing like the real thing (and thus lies the problem...)

As far as me not buying their decks - I'm long over it now.  If they come out with a deck that to me is a real original and both well-designed and well-made, I'd be foolish not to buy.  But for now, my resources are limited and D&D aren't the only decks I've opted not to purchase as a result.  I don't see anything on the horizon coming from them that would convince me to buy their decks again - but I also can't see EVERYTHING that's on the other side of that horizon, now can I?  :))

So, we're all good here?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Joker and the Thief on December 12, 2012, 03:44:16 AM
Alrighty. If a deck has metallic ink it will more than likely have magic finish, you even stated that. Thing is, I don't really like magic finish and that means that the handling alters and is unattractive to me. Yes, factors change when using magic finish but I'm still firm on believing that certain combinations lead to bad handling, this MIGHT, I repeat, MIGHT, be the case with Dan and Dave's V7  It's called making an assumption based on the experience of using other magic finish decks. I'm not saying that these have bad handling, I'm simply saying that they MAY have altered the famed handling of the originals through the use of metallic inks, hence magic finish in the v7 decks.

As for recoloured pips and courts, Dan and Dave made a very sudden change and it's unlike them and when it happens it is rare when it does. It's something subjective, and not something that I like. It may be true to say that we're sick of hearing that you won't buy Dan and Dave's playing cards. Get over it, bro.

As far as Magic Finish, I know it's not perfect for all occasions but it certainly puts you squarely in the minority.  For whatever that's worth.

As far as the pips - it is what it is.  They were probably concerned about collectors freaking out that the v7 "imitation" decks would be too close to the real thing.  This way, they're nothing like the real thing (and thus lies the problem...)

As far as me not buying their decks - I'm long over it now.  If they come out with a deck that to me is a real original and both well-designed and well-made, I'd be foolish not to buy.  But for now, my resources are limited and D&D aren't the only decks I've opted not to purchase as a result.  I don't see anything on the horizon coming from them that would convince me to buy their decks again - but I also can't see EVERYTHING that's on the other side of that horizon, now can I?  :))

So, we're all good here?

I guess we are :))
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on February 08, 2013, 11:20:07 PM
Indivial decks from the V7 box set now for sale for $7.95 each! Except the carbon edition....

http://shop.dananddave.com/smoke-and-mirrors-602.html

A new box set of just carbons (called Carbon Copy holding 6 carbon decks a box) are also on sale though!

http://shop.dananddave.com/smoke-and-mirrors-carbon-copy.html

Told myself I wouldn't buy any so we will see how strong my will power is in a day :D The thing is, these don't have anything the originals have that initially attracted me (other than the back design but even that has been slightly changed).

Oh but if you do order today you can get 15% off your order with the discount code "CARBON".
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Magic_Orthodoxy on February 08, 2013, 11:44:09 PM
6 decks at 8 bucks a pop is $48 and the box set cost $85, that means the box plus deck 7 together cost $37? Man, I feel ripped off

it's a cool box though.... right? guys? anyone.....?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on February 08, 2013, 11:47:44 PM
6 decks at 8 bucks a pop is $48 and the box set cost $85, that means the box plus deck 7 together cost $37? Man, I feel ripped off

it's a cool box though.... right? guys? anyone.....?

Yeah cool box for sure. It is a collector's item of some sorts as well. You also can't purchase the carbon deck unfortunately. So $37 for a fancy box as the carbon deck.... Don't think I'd pay that much. Still hate the fact that they didn't simplify the courts for all of these new releases :(
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on February 09, 2013, 02:35:11 AM
6 decks at 8 bucks a pop is $48 and the box set cost $85, that means the box plus deck 7 together cost $37? Man, I feel ripped off

it's a cool box though.... right? guys? anyone.....?

Yeah cool box for sure. It is a collector's item of some sorts as well. You also can't purchase the carbon deck unfortunately. So $37 for a fancy box as the carbon deck.... Don't think I'd pay that much. Still hate the fact that they didn't simplify the courts for all of these new releases :(

Hate is a strong word, but there's a lot to dislike about the entire V7 run of decks.

Here's what's irking me about this "new" release.  A single deck of any of the reprints is $7.95.  Fine, whatever.  The one original deck, Carbon, can't be bought individually, only as part of either the regular boxed set ($84.95) or in a box filled with a half-brick of them for $77.70, or $12.95 a pack (yikes).  Are they really five dollars more special than the other decks, which were a bit underwhelming to begin with?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Gunshy1 on February 09, 2013, 02:54:14 AM
seriously, DnD need to let the S&M series of decks just be done.

are they every going to come out with another magic and cardistry DVD? or is their new business model to sell deck after deck after deck after deck after deck after deck after deck after deck after deck........ after deck.....
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on February 09, 2013, 03:29:05 AM
6 decks at 8 bucks a pop is $48 and the box set cost $85, that means the box plus deck 7 together cost $37? Man, I feel ripped off

it's a cool box though.... right? guys? anyone.....?

Yeah cool box for sure. It is a collector's item of some sorts as well. You also can't purchase the carbon deck unfortunately. So $37 for a fancy box as the carbon deck.... Don't think I'd pay that much. Still hate the fact that they didn't simplify the courts for all of these new releases :(

Hate is a strong word, but there's a lot to dislike about the entire V7 run of decks.

Here's what's irking me about this "new" release.  A single deck of any of the reprints is $7.95.  Fine, whatever.  The one original deck, Carbon, can't be bought individually, only as part of either the regular boxed set ($84.95) or in a box filled with a half-brick of them for $77.70, or $12.95 a pack (yikes).  Are they really five dollars more special than the other decks, which were a bit underwhelming to begin with?  I don't think so.

Hey, I truly do feel very strongly against the standard courts because the courts were the only reason, other than the backs, that I liked this deck. So maybe not hate? But really really really dislike :D
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on February 09, 2013, 03:58:21 AM
seriously, DnD need to let the S&M series of decks just be done.

are they every going to come out with another magic and cardistry DVD? or is their new business model to sell deck after deck after deck after deck after deck after deck after deck after deck after deck........ after deck.....

Hey, let's not forget bottle openers, t-shirts, book shelves, hand lotions...  I half-expect them to soon be renamed "Dan, Dave and Beyond"...  :))  I gotta admit, though, the lotion was pretty good stuff.  I actually did searches in the LA area for "Fulton's Apothecary" before realizing who Brad Fulton was...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Magic_Orthodoxy on February 09, 2013, 08:18:32 AM
uh and let's not forget they released an iphone app this weekend, like em or not - they are taking our hobby into the future, a place quite frankly the rest of the world has been too timid and too reluctant to go to.

I only have Smoke and Mirrors 1 and 2. I missed the boat on all the rest, so when the box set came out  - I thought "here is my chance!" So I shelled out the big bucks. I love these cards actually. My name is "David" so a deck with two D's on it works great for me.

But I think the box wasn't selling like they'd hoped - so now they need to move product and they are piecemealing these decks individually.

Personally, I love the v7 deck
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: blastercast on February 09, 2013, 10:16:41 AM
I must say I love my v7 box set :')
For those who didn't get the originals it's a great collectors item, as for the carbon copy box I have got one on the way because I entered the trailer competition :') I'm a bit aannoyed they are now selling the decks individually but that means I can get more of the "smoke" and the "mirror" decks
-Benny
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Card Player on February 09, 2013, 01:39:16 PM
I must say I love my v7 box set :')
For those who didn't get the originals it's a great collectors item, as for the carbon copy box I have got one on the way because I entered the trailer competition :') I'm a bit aannoyed they are now selling the decks individually but that means I can get more of the "smoke" and the "mirror" decks
-Benny

It all worked out for me. I never had any of the original smoke and mirrors. As you wrote, the Deluxe Box Set is great for me. I own 2 deluxe boxes, both are still sealed and that gives me all of the decks. So, I have no need to buy a Carbon Copy or an Individual deck now.

From a business standpoint I think the way D&D is releasing the Carbon Copy and the Individual decks is strategic genius. I know there were those that did not want to buy an entire Deluxe Box just to get the Carbon decks. Now they can have just Carbon decks but they have to pay for that privilege. So what do you do? Do pay more for the Deluxe and get all the decks or pay $10 less to get 6 Carbon decks. For those that want the Individual decks, sorry no Carbon. They are ONLY for box sets. Those that bought a Deluxe Set at first because you wanted Carbon, can you really be angry? Probably Not or at least I'm not. I like the fact that the individual decks will not have the seal that comes with the Deluxe Box decks. This means the decks come factory sealed in cellophane.

What I have problem with is the 777 Carbon Copy sets and a v7 price to match? Why not 1000 sets at 59.95 or something like that? D&D would still make the money on the extra limited sets while reducing the cost to customers.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: hecrob on February 09, 2013, 03:01:13 PM
Im done buying from them... This just made me mad...   :mindf-ck:

Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on February 09, 2013, 03:17:16 PM
I must say I love my v7 box set :')
For those who didn't get the originals it's a great collectors item, as for the carbon copy box I have got one on the way because I entered the trailer competition :') I'm a bit aannoyed they are now selling the decks individually but that means I can get more of the "smoke" and the "mirror" decks
-Benny

Which means that if you bought just one box set and entered the contest you got 12 decks for $85.... Which actually isn't the worst deal we've seen and for how much these decks can possibly resell for is a great deal. Obviously no one knew that they would just give out a Carbon Copy just for entering the contest. Even if I knew I doubt I would've bought the set and filmed a promo. So although I am envious that I can't get a free Carbon Copy, I'm not terribly distraught.

Im done buying from them... This just made me mad...   :mindf-ck:

Because they're selling them individually and you dished out for a box set? I could understand why but due to the difference in seal (perforated and not) there is a distinct difference. If you wanted to sell off your box collection it could go for higher based on that point (as long as someone is willing to pay for it). And if you just wanted to keep them, this would allow you to at least play with some of the different versions in the V7 box set and not ruin the collection.

Sucks that people paid significantly more for having them first and getting a fancy box and carbon deck but they were willing to pay for it. I don't see how this business strategy is that maddening, to be honest.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Magic_Orthodoxy on February 09, 2013, 05:53:49 PM
I think now that the individual boxes are out, I might pick up an extra red, blue and green - and put the sealed ones away.

BTW the "carbon" discount still worked as of Saturday night
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: KPopFever605 on February 09, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
Meanwhile, check out who won the Smoke and Mirrors v7 Promo Contest (something I didn't even know about):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt_R7TMl4GY
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: S.C. on February 10, 2013, 04:29:22 PM
I think now that the individual boxes are out, I might pick up an extra red, blue and green - and put the sealed ones away.

BTW the "carbon" discount still worked as of Saturday night

I can understand why people are up in arms about the current sale of single decks from the box set, But if your like me, I bought the boxed set with no intention of breaking the seal on the decks of cards. I'm actually a little glad that they released the single decks, I was wondering how different the handling of the re-releases were compared to the originals so I bought a few of the single decks to play around with and compare and I don't have to open the "collectors" set. I guess it all depends on how you look at the situation that determines if this bothers you or not. Although, if I bought the set and opened them to use the cards I guess this move would get on my nerves a little.


Oh the reason I qouted above is because the "CARBON" discount still worked this morning. thanks for the tip. :D
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: MrMollusk on February 10, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
I'm ecstatic they released them in singles. I REALLY wanted the Smoke deck and the Mirror deck, but I didn't want to buy the whole freakin box set.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on February 10, 2013, 08:40:54 PM
I'm ecstatic they released them in singles. I REALLY wanted the Smoke deck and the Mirror deck, but I didn't want to buy the whole freakin box set.

I couldn't help myself and picked up one of each of those decks  ;D although I think I want to buy another set.... Must.... Fight.... The.... Urge!  :-[ I don't think it's too late to add to my order either seeing as they won't ship till at least mid next week...
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: MrMollusk on February 10, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
I'm ecstatic they released them in singles. I REALLY wanted the Smoke deck and the Mirror deck, but I didn't want to buy the whole freakin box set.

I couldn't help myself and picked up one of each of those decks  ;D although I think I want to buy another set.... Must.... Fight.... The.... Urge!  :-[ I don't think it's too late to add to my order either seeing as they won't ship till at least mid next week...

Well, the original V4s, V5s, and V6s are still available if you don't mind eating nothing but Ramen for a week. It's the V3s that'll set me back to when found 5 dollars in first grade.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on February 10, 2013, 09:09:50 PM
I'm lucky enough to have the original V4-6s in quantities more than 1. I haven't found any of the original V1-3s for anything less than an arm and a leg unfortunately. I think that's the reason I bought these new versions (not sure if to call them reprints cause they do have more than just a few points that're different from the originals). But my fund that was exclusively set aside for my collecting is dwindling so I felt it wise not to buy more than one of the Smoke and one of the Mirrors.

I don't think it's too late to tag an extra one on without having to pay for shipping (hopefully). Still debating on whether or not I should be unwise and just get an extra so I can leave one sealed.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Magic_Orthodoxy on February 10, 2013, 09:55:43 PM
yea, I am in the same boat, I had them all in my shopping cart with my finger over the button and my wife in the other room yelling at me, "We owe taxes this year!"

Curse you Uncle Sam for standing between me and cards. I need a sugar daddy.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on February 26, 2013, 11:38:01 PM
Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Fanofyankees13 on February 26, 2013, 11:42:00 PM
Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.

No. The Carbon Copy box has only the v7 Carbon decks in it- 6 of them, to be exact. The v7 boxset has one of each of the "new" Smoke and Mirrors v7 decks- Smoke, Mirror, Eco, Denim, Rouge, and Carbon.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on February 27, 2013, 01:10:22 AM
yea, I am in the same boat, I had them all in my shopping cart with my finger over the button and my wife in the other room yelling at me, "We owe taxes this year!"

Curse you Uncle Sam for standing between me and cards. I need a sugar daddy.

No, you like women.  You need a sugar momma...  :))

As I see it, the version seven release isn't something to freak out over.  Performance-wise, they're practically identical to most custom releases that have come out since Magic Finish became standard.  That's not a bad thing, but it also makes decks seem more or less the same, with only the design setting them apart.  These all have pretty straightforward USPC faces, so it's only the backs that make them interesting.  But even there, we've seen these styles before - they're old, relative to the modern custom-deck release cycle.  Smoke and Mirror (Luxury Edition) are a little more distinctive, but the rest are the same thing done over and over since version 4, the Eco edition.  I'm not one to gripe too much these days about color changes, but using the same design over and over like that?  Imagine one of the other card companies releasing simple recolorations of the same deck for roughly two years or more - you'd get tired of them.  Just as I'm tired of the S&M series.

Now the New Fan Backs and Steamboats - that's another story altogether...   :))
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on February 27, 2013, 01:25:36 AM
I received the individual decks from the V7s yesterday and had little chance to actually break them in well. But initial handling opinion sides with Don's in that it handles like any other Magic Finish deck out there. Nicely, but nothing special.

Can't stand to see faces still. I held them up next to the original version courts and shed a small tear. I know it was also said already but I find it interesting how the whites on these aren't actually white. They did the same with the new Steamboats. I liked it on the Steamboats but honestly not so much on these.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on February 27, 2013, 01:54:12 AM
Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.

No. The Carbon Copy box has only the v7 Carbon decks in it- 6 of them, to be exact. The v7 boxset has one of each of the "new" Smoke and Mirrors v7 decks- Smoke, Mirror, Eco, Denim, Rouge, and Carbon.
Sorry i wasnt clear enough. I was referring to the exterior black box that the decks come with. But thanks for trying to clear my queries anyways :)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Fanofyankees13 on February 27, 2013, 02:15:49 AM
Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.

No. The Carbon Copy box has only the v7 Carbon decks in it- 6 of them, to be exact. The v7 boxset has one of each of the "new" Smoke and Mirrors v7 decks- Smoke, Mirror, Eco, Denim, Rouge, and Carbon.
Sorry i wasnt clear enough. I was referring to the exterior black box that the decks come with. But thanks for trying to clear my queries anyways :)

Ah, well, I believe the black boxes are the same, but the sleeves that go over the top of the boxes are different.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on February 27, 2013, 03:39:44 AM
I received the individual decks from the V7s yesterday and had little chance to actually break them in well. But initial handling opinion sides with Don's in that it handles like any other Magic Finish deck out there. Nicely, but nothing special.

Can't stand to see faces still. I held them up next to the original version courts and shed a small tear. I know it was also said already but I find it interesting how the whites on these aren't actually white. They did the same with the new Steamboats. I liked it on the Steamboats but honestly not so much on these.

Yeah, they started that with the Vintage Plaid decks.  I gotta say, of all the colors I'd use to make a deck appear aged, pale puke green would NOT be my first, second or third choice...  Why give them an aged look at all, really?  They're not decades old, nor are the originals they're modeled after!  That green doesn't make them look old - it makes them look contaminated!
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on February 27, 2013, 03:51:59 AM
Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.

No. The Carbon Copy box has only the v7 Carbon decks in it- 6 of them, to be exact. The v7 boxset has one of each of the "new" Smoke and Mirrors v7 decks- Smoke, Mirror, Eco, Denim, Rouge, and Carbon.
Sorry i wasnt clear enough. I was referring to the exterior black box that the decks come with. But thanks for trying to clear my queries anyways :)

Ah, well, I believe the black boxes are the same, but the sleeves that go over the top of the boxes are different.
What sleeves? didnt they come in plastic wrap?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on February 27, 2013, 11:55:36 AM
Yeah, they started that with the Vintage Plaid decks.  I gotta say, of all the colors I'd use to make a deck appear aged, pale puke green would NOT be my first, second or third choice...  Why give them an aged look at all, really?  They're not decades old, nor are the originals they're modeled after!  That green doesn't make them look old - it makes them look contaminated!

Hmm I didn't recall that the Vintage Plaids were like that as well. Maybe I should've paid more attention to my decks :D ah well. And I don't really mind the aged color... Maybe yes, a little less green would be nice. But I don't understand why you'd do that with the S&Ms. They're supposed to be the "perfect set of perfect cards" or however they were trying to advertise them. I'd imagine they wanted more of a cutting edge, everything redesigned feel. Not a vintage and aged feel.

What sleeves? didnt they come in plastic wrap?

I'm guessing the "sleeve" he's referring to is the cover? Not really a sleeve but what else could he be referring to?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: MrMollusk on February 27, 2013, 06:46:39 PM
I received the individual decks from the V7s yesterday and had little chance to actually break them in well. But initial handling opinion sides with Don's in that it handles like any other Magic Finish deck out there. Nicely, but nothing special.

Can't stand to see faces still. I held them up next to the original version courts and shed a small tear. I know it was also said already but I find it interesting how the whites on these aren't actually white. They did the same with the new Steamboats. I liked it on the Steamboats but honestly not so much on these.

Yeah, they started that with the Vintage Plaid decks.  I gotta say, of all the colors I'd use to make a deck appear aged, pale puke green would NOT be my first, second or third choice...  Why give them an aged look at all, really?  They're not decades old, nor are the originals they're modeled after!  That green doesn't make them look old - it makes them look contaminated!

I loved the shading on the vintage plaid. It tied in really, really nice with the theme and design. It was also done in more of a beige shade, so they didn't look too sickly.
Can't say the same for these though. Haven't seen them irl.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Fanofyankees13 on February 27, 2013, 08:16:52 PM
Correct, I misspoke. I meant to say cover, not sleeve. I was referring to the cover that goes over the top of the box.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Siegismyname on February 27, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
Correct, I misspoke. I meant to say cover, not sleeve. I was referring to the cover that goes over the top of the box.
how different? So they don't say smoke and mirror?
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on February 28, 2013, 01:30:07 AM
The boxes are the same.  They're actually all the same "Smoke and Mirrors v7" series.  The Carbon Copy boxes are numbered 7,001-7,777.  They have different certificates of authenticity.

On top is the standard boxed set, while on the bottom is the Carbon Copy set - the certificate is black and states "Carbon Copy" in the bottom left.  But the boxes are the same.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2013, 02:59:51 AM
Ah that's a good distinction! I think that makes perfect sense even though I haven't seen a picture of the lid. I like the fact that (if it does also say Smoke and Mirrors) that they keep with the idea that "it's all V7" and make these like a special few sets.
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Anthony on November 08, 2013, 01:03:12 PM
I'm sorry for resurrecting an older thread, but to recap.........

I just can't keep track of all of this when I'm looking for decks.

Smoke was released in it's original 3 versions
Mirror was released in it's original 3 versions
Eco was released in it's original and ??
Denim was released in it's original and ??
Rouge was released in it's original and??
Carbon??

I'm just looking to represent S&M in my collection, I don't mind the reprints, I just want to know what I'm looking at and for. I just picked up a Smoke, Mirror, Eco and Denim...not originals. But what are they, I noticed the tucks are diffrent than my v6, are they re releases or the re releases, lol

Below is what I have in my collection, Gracias in advance.......now I need a Tylenol
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: kdklown on November 08, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
Your V6 is an original.  All the rest are part of the V7 reprints. 

Eco was released in it's original, Original w/ seal and V7 Reprints
Denim was released in it's original and V7 Reprints
Rouge was released in it's original and V7 Reprints
Carbon Part of V7 Run

I'm sure others can add to this list but thats the basics
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Anthony on November 08, 2013, 03:40:22 PM
Thanks kd, appreciate it  ;)
Title: Re: Smoke and Mirrors v7
Post by: Don Boyer on November 08, 2013, 08:51:44 PM
Thanks kd, appreciate it  ;)

In addition to his info...

There are a total of four versions of Smoke and Mirror.  There are Smoke and Mirrors versions 1, 2, 3 and 7.  Any version 7 can immediately be spotted because of the special deck seal - it has a perforation around the thumbnail cutout on the tuck box, allowing you to cleanly separate the seal into two neat halves.  The only other S&M deck released with a seal was a small number of the v4 Eco decks, most of which were distributed at a magic convention a short time before the official release date of the deck.