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« on: April 18, 2014, 02:08:33 AM »
 

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Allow me to be the first to welcome you to a new concept at the Discourse.  PCF and Expert P.C. Co. entered into a promotional partnership recently and you're seeing one of the results.

Our forum has a new member: "Expert P.C. Co.", with a new rank, "Discourse Agent".  This "member" isn't a standard one - it's the official "company identity" of the Expert Playing Card Company on the Discourse.  "Members" with the rank of Discourse Agent are accounts used by the company to distribute official information and field questions from the membership about their upcoming products, services, events - or even if you just want to say, "Great job, love your stuff!"  This topic is the Discourse Agent's home on the board - the place to go to get the latest information, ask your questions and so on.

The Discourse Agent rank allows the individual members who are employees or owners of a company to use their personal accounts as just that, personal accounts, and to use the Discourse Agent on behalf of their company to be the official news source and conduit for contact.  In time, PCF will create similar partnerships with other companies, giving our members more ways to interact with the companies that make the new decks and other products they love so much!

Keep an eye out for Expert P.C. Co.'s first post!
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Re: EXPERT PLAYING CARD COMPANY - Official Topic
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2014, 05:47:06 PM »
 

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So I think the object of this topic is to talk directly to EPCC.  If that is right I do have a couple of questions:

First, what is the typical cost to get a run of cards from EPCC?  I am currently working on a small project (it may become my entry into the contest, already have had a topic on it in the design section called "hard angle") and was looking to do a kickstarter but I was keeping my sights low at first and just aiming to use a printer like Make Playing Cards.com.  I was doing this as since it will be my first kickstarter/deck design ever, I figured to start small to get an understanding of how this all works and MPC allows runs as low as a single deck.  I know LPCC according to their site require at least a 1500 deck run so I was wondering if it was the same for EPCC since it seems you both use the same printer.

Second, since I am also rather new to the fact that there are other companies besides USPCC out there, and I have been looking at the cards you are putting out, what would be the best deck to buy to get an idea of how the typical cards you print feel?  I currently live on a tight budget so I don't have money to buy your variety pack (though I wish I could).
 

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2014, 08:32:41 AM »
 

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So I think the object of this topic is to talk directly to EPCC.  If that is right I do have a couple of questions:

First, what is the typical cost to get a run of cards from EPCC?  I am currently working on a small project (it may become my entry into the contest, already have had a topic on it in the design section called "hard angle") and was looking to do a kickstarter but I was keeping my sights low at first and just aiming to use a printer like Make Playing Cards.com.  I was doing this as since it will be my first kickstarter/deck design ever, I figured to start small to get an understanding of how this all works and MPC allows runs as low as a single deck.  I know LPCC according to their site require at least a 1500 deck run so I was wondering if it was the same for EPCC since it seems you both use the same printer.

Second, since I am also rather new to the fact that there are other companies besides USPCC out there, and I have been looking at the cards you are putting out, what would be the best deck to buy to get an idea of how the typical cards you print feel?  I currently live on a tight budget so I don't have money to buy your variety pack (though I wish I could).

Actually, I can answer both questions for you right now!

Pricing is generally handled individually and is something you'd need to discuss directly with the company.  That's the case of many companies, especially when considering the addition of custom features, customer loyalty, etc.  I can say they're priced better than USPC and offer a superior quality card.

The best example - Bill Kalush himself has told me that the Exquisites are his best deck to date, and that the blue ones handle just a tiny bit better than the reds.  Both handle slightly better than the Legends v.2 decks, which are pretty stellar themselves in the handling department. 
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Re: EXPERT PLAYING CARD COMPANY - Official Topic
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2014, 03:50:14 PM »
 

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So I think the object of this topic is to talk directly to EPCC.  If that is right I do have a couple of questions:

First, what is the typical cost to get a run of cards from EPCC?  I am currently working on a small project (it may become my entry into the contest, already have had a topic on it in the design section called "hard angle") and was looking to do a kickstarter but I was keeping my sights low at first and just aiming to use a printer like Make Playing Cards.com.  I was doing this as since it will be my first kickstarter/deck design ever, I figured to start small to get an understanding of how this all works and MPC allows runs as low as a single deck.  I know LPCC according to their site require at least a 1500 deck run so I was wondering if it was the same for EPCC since it seems you both use the same printer.

Second, since I am also rather new to the fact that there are other companies besides USPCC out there, and I have been looking at the cards you are putting out, what would be the best deck to buy to get an idea of how the typical cards you print feel?  I currently live on a tight budget so I don't have money to buy your variety pack (though I wish I could).


Sorry for the slow reply to your questions.
Don is right on both counts but let me clarify a bit.
Expert PCC will print one off runs of 1,000 decks and if someone is printing a few orders all at once we would even consider doing 500 decks for a very special edition. We can't do 500 all by themselves though.
Except for Global Titans all of our decks to date have used the same paper and coatings. Surprisingly that doesn't mean they all feel identically though. At the moment our preference is the Zenith by Encarded. The NOC decks are also amazing and the Exquisite Bold which will be an exclusive release by the Art of Play feel different than the others (somewhat softer). These differences are primarily due to the ink coverage and how it affects the paper and coating. But you can rest assured that all of these decks are excellent.
 

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2014, 05:05:07 PM »
 

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^ exquisite bold? more information please!
 

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2014, 05:16:13 PM »
 

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^ exquisite bold? more information please!

We gave Art of Play the exclusive so they will be the gatekeepers of secret info on this one! But once they announce I'll spill more details.
 

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2014, 07:13:13 PM »
 

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Here is a peak at a deck that is on the horizon...
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2014, 09:02:48 AM »
 

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Will EPPCC be releasing a readily available "standard" deck?
 

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2014, 11:55:22 AM »
 

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Will EPPCC be releasing a readily available "standard" deck?

There are several standard decks in the works. Our goal is to create a really beautiful but affordable "worker" deck so that performers and cardists can use them all the time without breaking the bank.
I'm hoping that the first version will be released in 2014.
 

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2014, 11:57:14 AM »
 

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Would you guys consider having a distribution facility from Taiwan itself to cater for the Asian community?
 

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2014, 01:16:54 PM »
 

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Would you guys consider having a distribution facility from Taiwan itself to cater for the Asian community?

Some supplies of most of the decks that we are producing for Conjuring Arts (not customer ordered like Zenith) are also going to Lawrence Sullivan to sell in Asia. This should help somewhat with Asian orders and excessive postage. Alternatively if you know of a good fulfillment house in Taiwan we might use them to expedite our orders there.
 

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2014, 01:57:28 AM »
 

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Nope i dont have any to recommend, but im sure there are, in fact shouldnt the factory have some contacts on its own ?
 

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2014, 12:44:28 PM »
 

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Question, I just bought a pack of blue exquisites and I love them.  They fan awesome and feel really nice.  The one thing though is that they seem to not want to faro for me.  I have gotten them to do it a few times but I can't seem to do it consistently and smoothly like I can with other decks. Is there a specific way I should be trying to faro these?
 

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2014, 03:21:20 PM »
 

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Respected greetings to the EPCC :)

For what it's worth, I'm in agreement with the popular view that EPCC are the real deal when it comes to putting out products with superior quality.

I have a question about the card stock used for EPCC cards which are printed in Taiwan. The question is based on a discussion I had with Don a little while ago, and he recommended that I ask for clarification here... but I never got round to it, until today.

On the sales page for the Exquisite deck(s) it's implied that the paper/card for the Exquisites are the same as the paper that is used for the Legends, with the only difference being the way that the ink is used.

I use the V2 Legends a lot, and every once in a while I'll make use of the Exquisites also... and they do feel different. Some have said that there's a "slight difference"... but I think the difference is pretty huge. Whilst the coating does feel like it's the same, the Exquisite cards feel a lot softer and more flexible, and they also feel thinner.

Is the paper for Master Finish cards and Diamond Finish cards really the same? Master Finish cards feel a lot similar to V1 Legends than they do to V2.

Thank you for your time... and I look forward to all future EPCC releases.
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2014, 03:02:07 AM »
 

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Question, I just bought a pack of blue exquisites and I love them.  They fan awesome and feel really nice.  The one thing though is that they seem to not want to faro for me.  I have gotten them to do it a few times but I can't seem to do it consistently and smoothly like I can with other decks. Is there a specific way I should be trying to faro these?

From the bottom up, when face down.  The deck - like all the decks I've seen from EPCC and CARC - is traditionally cut.  With enough breaking in, they'll faro in either direction.
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2014, 10:06:58 AM »
 

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Hello,

I always thought there was only one factory for good cards : USPCC  .. Everything new seem to come from them, or to come from companies bought by them.

But looking for the new NOC v3, I have discovered the Expert Playing Card Company and as I have never touched any of their cards I was wondering how the quality compares to existing qualities .. Is it equivalent to the Bee top quality with which finish ?

It seems there is only one quality of paper, does it compare to the Bee or the Bicycle one ?   Is the finish more aimed to magicians or flourishers ?
I’m looking forward to getting NOC v3 to test but users can probably already give their point of view ?

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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2014, 04:16:54 AM »
 

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Hello,

I always thought there was only one factory for good cards : USPCC  .. Everything new seem to come from them, or to come from companies bought by them.

But looking for the new NOC v3, I have discovered the Expert Playing Card Company and as I have never touched any of their cards I was wondering how the quality compares to existing qualities .. Is it equivalent to the Bee top quality with which finish ?

It seems there is only one quality of paper, does it compare to the Bee or the Bicycle one ?   Is the finish more aimed to magicians or flourishers ?
I’m looking forward to getting NOC v3 to test but users can probably already give their point of view ?

Thanks

I'm pretty sure that EPCC uses an imported black-core stock from Germany for their decks made in Taipei.  As far as trying to compare them to something from USPC - don't.  They really don't make anything like it.  The closest they came would be Bill Kalush's own Bee Erdnase 216 deck for CARC, but even that is a "close but no cigar".

Since the deck only came available in - what, the last twenty-four hours? - I don't think you'll be getting too many authoritative reviews yet.  But you can always look around the topics on some of the other EPCC-made decks.

Legends
Legends, v. 2
Exquisites
MD Smith Back #3
Zenith (Encarded)
Exquisite Bold (exclusive to Dan and Dave's "Art of Play" website)

I know I must be missing a few.  Were the Night Owls made by Expert?
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2014, 10:12:45 AM »
 

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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2014, 03:42:54 AM »
 

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Is Qualitybrown deck  printed by EPCC?
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2014, 05:54:14 PM »
 

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Yes, Owl Eyes are EPCC.

According to George Hage they're printed at the same factory but it's purely coincidental. Neither Legends or EPCC had anything to do with them apparently other than CARC carrying them of course.
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2014, 10:43:08 AM »
 

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My bad.  Thanks for the info, Paul.

They definitely have that EPCC chemical smell to them.
 

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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2014, 04:17:51 PM »
 

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I know the smell you're referring to but the Owl Eyed decks are actually the only ones I've noticed that smell on to be honest.
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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2014, 12:04:52 PM »
 

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I know the smell you're referring to but the Owl Eyed decks are actually the only ones I've noticed that smell on to be honest.

My Exquisites and Exquisite Bolds have that same smell, just not quite as strong as my Owl Eyes.
 

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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2014, 12:45:07 PM »
 

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I know the smell you're referring to but the Owl Eyed decks are actually the only ones I've noticed that smell on to be honest.

My Exquisites and Exquisite Bolds have that same smell, just not quite as strong as my Owl Eyes.

So you might say they have an exquisite smell? Did you know that you can tell which press a deck was made on at USPCC by the smell too. The web press coating definitely smells different than the sheet fed press coating.
 

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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2014, 03:24:56 AM »
 

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Say, What? Cards smell? Maybe like beer after they've been spilled on.  ;)
 

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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2014, 04:50:59 AM »
 

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I have noticed that Magic Finish has a sharper chemical scent to it than other decks.  My wife can pick it up from across the room when I open a fresh pack.  She actually likes the scent!
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I have noticed that Magic Finish has a sharper chemical scent to it than other decks.  My wife can pick it up from across the room when I open a fresh pack.  She actually likes the scent!

@Don - I thought the cards from the USCC could either be Smooth or Embossed.  I though Magic Finish was just another name for Embossed. Are you suggesting that the cards are dipped or sprayed with Magic Finish? 

@Expert P.C. Co - With having a uncut sheet of 9x6 for a total of 54 cards, do you think people might Kill the Jokers and just print two Gaff cards in the future.  I've heard your becoming a middle man.  Are you in touch with factories that do different uncut sheet sizes?  8x7 is the most common.  Just curious if there are other options...
 

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@Don - I thought the cards from the USCC could either be Smooth or Embossed.  I though Magic Finish was just another name for Embossed. Are you suggesting that the cards are dipped or sprayed with Magic Finish?

The technical definition of a finish is the texturing on the surface of the card, which in the broadest of descriptions is either smooth or embossed.  "Magic Finish" is not, technically speaking, a finish - it's a coating, a plastic-based lacquer like all modern playing card coatings (the only major exception being the new organically-based coating made of starch USPC uses on a limited basis for some more environmentally-friendly print runs).  They originally named it "Performance Coating" while it was still in the beta-test stage when they applied it to the entire print run of the Gold Arcane deck.  Brad Christian liked the name and kept it instead of using Magic Finish when he started applying it on his other decks.  Magic Finish coating can and has been applied to both smooth and textured playing cards.

The reason for the confusion is that at one time in history, finishes were "finished" in the coating of the cards by applying the coating with cloth-covered rollers.  These days, the finish is applied in the paper by pressing it with metal rollers, and the coating is a separate part of the manufacturing process, but the name-brand recognition of these finishes (Air Cushion, Linoid, Cambric, Ivory, Linen, etc.) made manufacturers like USPC loathe to remove the names or alter them to reflect present manufacturing processes, thus creating the confusion you just experienced when you asked me that question.

At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it!  :))
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2014, 05:10:45 AM »
 

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Hello EPCC,

Do you guys have an official web site? I can't find one...
 

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Hello EPCC,

Do you guys have an official web site? I can't find one...

EPCC does not yet have an official website.  It's largely because they deal "business-to-business" and not at the retail level.  A new site is in the works, but I do not have a timetable for when it will be running.

Did you have a question you wanted to ask, or were you simply curious about the web site?
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« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2014, 07:09:46 AM »
 

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I wanted to see the list of the decks that were printed by EPCC and compare their cards to the USPCC ones. I know that people usually say that EPCC's quality is better, but I would rather see that for myself ;)
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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2014, 05:41:53 PM »
 

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Man, have I missed a lot!

This certainly is interesting! While I love USPCC's casino decks, I find EPCC's decks are much more durable in the long run. (My first deck of Exquisites is still handling amazing!) I can't wait to see more from you guys!
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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2014, 12:07:43 AM »
 

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I think it's great that EPCC & LPCC are becoming go to card companies. I'm sure USPCC has noticed. My fear is that you guys will become like them. There are a lot of "junk" cards being printed with the Bicycle logo. I understand that EPCC/LPCC do not have a brand specific logos, but "printed by" is still on the boxes.
Are you guys screening potential designs, or will you print just about any design?
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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2014, 01:38:17 AM »
 

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I wanted to see the list of the decks that were printed by EPCC and compare their cards to the USPCC ones. I know that people usually say that EPCC's quality is better, but I would rather see that for myself ;)

OK, EPCC has used two different printing plants thus far.

The cards from the plant in Shanghai, China are OK but require much more breaking in before they handle well, so in an instant-gratification Magic-Finish world, they're not as popular!  The decks made there:
Global Titans (2 colors)
The Nautical Deck (commissioned by The Blue Crown/HOPC, 3 colors)

The plant in Taipei, Taiwan is thought of by a lot of us as the "holy grail" printing plant, where the best decks are being made today.  Between Legend PCC and Expert PCC, these decks were made there:
Legends (original, 3 colors) * For LPCC
Legends (second edition, 2 colors for general sale, 3rd color exclusive to CARC {black}) * For LPCC
Exquisite (two colors)
Exquisite Bold (sold exclusively by the Art of Play)
NOC v3 (comissioned by The Blue Crown/HOPC)
Smith No. 3 (CARC exclusive)
Zenith Deck (commissioned by Paul Carpenter/Encarded)

I might have missed a deck or two, but that's what I can accurately recall, and there are more in the pipeline.  The least expensive option that's still for sale would be the NOC decks at $4.95 a pack.  Most of the decks mentioned were reasonably priced, with the notable exception of the Zenith deck - a limited edition of 1,000, each deck serial-numbered, they sold for just under $20 a pack and are completely sold out, only available from after-market retailers at a premium mark-up.
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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2014, 01:09:46 PM »
 

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It's official! We have a website! http://expertplayingcard.com
Of course more and more content will be added over time but it gives you an overview of what we are doing.
Thank you to Aron Prins for implementing the design for us!
You will also notice there is not a place on the site to buy anything. The decks meant for our own release will be sold via ConjuringArts.org
 

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Great news, guys!  Now I can point people to a page when they ask me about you and how to make a deck with you!  :))
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Thanks Don! You are a great cheerleader for us and we truly appreciate it.

 

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Thanks Don! You are a great cheerleader for us and we truly appreciate it.

It has everything to do with your quality of product, highly competitive prices and commitment to customer service.  I enjoy telling people that there are viable, even preferable, deck-making alternatives to the 800-pound gorilla.  If I didn't think EPCC was all that and a bag of chips, I wouldn't have much to say about it - but it is, thus, it's hard to shut me up!  I would not support your efforts like I do if I didn't believe in them.  The fact that a charitable cause gets boosted in the process is a genuine plus in your favor!

Simply put, you and Lawrence Sullivan's LPCC look to me to be everything that's right about the playing card industry as it exists today.
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I know that this question cannot be specifically answered as it will depend entirely on the individual job, but can you give me a general idea of how much a basic deck (ie, no upgrades) would cost assuming an order quantity of 2500 decks?

I know the USPC would be roughly around $2.45 per deck so I would just love to see how pricing compares.  Again I understand that it would depend on many factors but I am just looking for a general idea.  Thanks!


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Hi 21,
We are not presently publishing general price lists. But are available to quote specific decks via email. Please send us your specifics at custom-orders@expertplayingcard.com and we can give you a specific quote.
 

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That's definitely fair.  Thank you very much.

Hi 21,
We are not presently publishing general price lists. But are available to quote specific decks via email. Please send us your specifics at custom-orders@expertplayingcard.com and we can give you a specific quote.
 

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Here is a little early info for forum dwellers.

As many will already know from this thread and elsewhere, Expert Playing Card has been working on a new red Zen deck. This is the deck with the detailed retro back design and sideways embossed and foiled tuck. In our efforts to keep pushing the boundaries of fine deck production we have done some experimenting with the deck's coating chemistry. Becuase the red Zen and Zen Pure are experimental prototypes these decks will not be for sale, ever. Instead we are going to give them away starting this afternoon!
For each mixed brick of NOCs you buy from Conjuring Arts you will get one experimental prototype Zen deck. I hope this will please both NOC lovers and deck collectors.
Please keep an eye out for the announcement today.
 

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So if I have no interest in 1 noc, much less 12. No option for zen?  :(
I'm not feeling very zen like now  :(
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So if I have no interest in 1 noc, much less 12. No option for zen?  :(
I'm not feeling very zen like now  :(

The Zen isn't dead! The release version is in production if you don't want the experimental version just hold on.
 

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Custom Decks
As many of you already know, Expert PCC produces cards for Conjuring Arts to sell as well as custom printing for other customers. In an effort to make it easier to manage custom projects we have published a questionnaire on our ExpertPlayingCard.com website. Just got to http://expertplayingcard.com/home/custom/custom-questionnaire/ and fill it out and we can get right back with a general quote etc.
 

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In our efforts to keep pushing the boundaries of fine deck production we have done some experimenting with the deck's coating chemistry. Becuase the red Zen and Zen Pure are experimental prototypes these decks will not be for sale, ever. Instead we are going to give them away starting this afternoon!
For each mixed brick of NOCs you buy from Conjuring Arts you will get one experimental prototype Zen deck.


So if I have no interest in 1 noc, much less 12. No option for zen?  :(
I'm not feeling very zen like now  :(

The Zen isn't dead! The release version is in production if you don't want the experimental version just hold on.

 :o
I guess I can sell the 2 bricks of NOC's I received a few days ago........ :-[
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Expert Playing Card is so excited we can barely stand it!
Just back from a visit to our Taiwan factory and we can now confirm that the absolutely amazing 52 Plus Joker deck designed for the club by Jackson Robinson is a reality!
We are very proud to have worked with a number of club members and Jackson to create what will likely be considered the deck of the year.
Even though we would love to post a picture it's been decided that the deck will be launched at a special cocktail party to be held at the Club convention coming up mid October in Charleston, SC. This will be the first place to see this deck and also be the way to buy it!
Dying of curiosity yet? Then it's time to register for the convention and come see this deck and everything else planned for Charleston.
 

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It's official! We have a website! http://expertplayingcard.com
Of course more and more content will be added over time but it gives you an overview of what we are doing.
Thank you to Aron Prins for implementing the design for us!
You will also notice there is not a place on the site to buy anything. The decks meant for our own release will be sold via ConjuringArts.org

Any chance of implementing a distribution center out of Asia? As you produce in Taiwan, it would be cheaper for Asian clients to ship direct rather than shipping everything out to the US and back... Shipping is a killer for a lot of international customers!
 

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It's official! We have a website! http://expertplayingcard.com
Of course more and more content will be added over time but it gives you an overview of what we are doing.
Thank you to Aron Prins for implementing the design for us!
You will also notice there is not a place on the site to buy anything. The decks meant for our own release will be sold via ConjuringArts.org

Any chance of implementing a distribution center out of Asia? As you produce in Taiwan, it would be cheaper for Asian clients to ship direct rather than shipping everything out to the US and back... Shipping is a killer for a lot of international customers!

I can't speak authoritatively for EPCC, but consider this - are you talking about:
a) distributing a custom deck you produced to you in Asia, or
b) fulfilling all the orders placed by your customers or backers from a center in Asia?

While EPCC uses Kings Wild Fulfillment, I would imagine that a producer interested in distributing the decks in Asia could have them shipped to him from the Taipei factory - but what happens to them after that would be entirely up to that producer.  They'd need to line up a fulfillment center in Asia and take it from there - or create a center of their own, like what Jackson Robinson did with KWF.

No matter how you slice it, you'd really need to ask EPCC directly at custom-orders@expertplayingcard.com.
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New Zen Pure decks finally for sale!

It took a long time to come to pass but we have the official release happening now.
For a short time you can get a great bundle deal too.
11 Zen Pure decks.
1 Zen Pure Gold which has the Genie logo in gold foil on the cards
1 Magnetic Brick Box
And for the first 144 people you get a free RED Zen Pure Prototype that we have made but won't offer for sale.
All of this for an amazing price.

Go to Conjuring Arts store and check it out http://shop.conjuringarts.org/store/pc/Zen-c183.htm
 

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We are really pleased to announce that Uusi launched their latest kickstarter this morning and it is moving like lightning. In just a couple of hours it's $30k goal is nearly reached!
Check it out http://kck.st/1DvhzeR
 

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does anyone have a list of classic finish epcc (or even LPCC for that matter) decks? i love the master finish decks but the classic decks have an amazing feel to them, i have the classic twins and soundboards but i cant seem to figure out which ones have classic finish unless a seller specifies it themselves or magic orthodoxy does a review on it...neither site really say what finish is used
 

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I know most if not all of his work printed by LPCC used classic finish - Draconians, Midnight Bowlarama and Grinders

then we have the Mirage which uses classic finish as well.
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now is there a big variance between decks with the same finish or is there more options, like different card stock? i got gamesters, sky islands, and smith no 3s. theyre all master finish, but the sky islands are a bit different than the gamesters, and the and the smith no 3s are WAY different than the sky islands, theyre almost 2 cards taller!
 

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now is there a big variance between decks with the same finish or is there more options, like different card stock? i got gamesters, sky islands, and smith no 3s. theyre all master finish, but the sky islands are a bit different than the gamesters, and the and the smith no 3s are WAY different than the sky islands, theyre almost 2 cards taller!

Do a search on this site for the free promo issue of CARD CULTURE that I put together last year.  In it was an article that covered all the stocks used by the Expert Playing Card Company.  Legends uses some of the same stocks - Legends uses the same factory in Taipei to do some of its print work and there's a few stocks they have in common, while the rest of their print work is done from another location somewhere in mainland China.  They use the term "stock" and "finish" interchangeably a lot because they get their stocks pre-finished from an undisclosed source in Europe.  So for example, "Master Stock" or "Master Finish" refers to the same thing - the Master paper stock textured with the Master finish.  All the Expert finishes (including the ones that the two companies use in common) are embossed and the embossing comes in different depths, affecting the feel and glide of the stocks differently.  Stock thicknesses vary from type to type as well.  But within a given type, they tend to be quite consistent, as consistent as is possible with any paper stock, really.

BTW: the "Codename: Iron Stock" featured in the article was eventually released as Robusto Stock - and it's probably the thickest card stock you'll find anywhere.  It makes a pack of Bees look like a pack of Bikes.
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now is there a big variance between decks with the same finish or is there more options, like different card stock? i got gamesters, sky islands, and smith no 3s. theyre all master finish, but the sky islands are a bit different than the gamesters, and the and the smith no 3s are WAY different than the sky islands, theyre almost 2 cards taller!

Do a search on this site for the free promo issue of CARD CULTURE that I put together last year.  In it was an article that covered all the stocks used by the Expert Playing Card Company.  Legends uses some of the same stocks - Legends uses the same factory in Taipei to do some of its print work and there's a few stocks they have in common, while the rest of their print work is done from another location somewhere in mainland China.  They use the term "stock" and "finish" interchangeably a lot because they get their stocks pre-finished from an undisclosed source in Europe.  So for example, "Master Stock" or "Master Finish" refers to the same thing - the Master paper stock textured with the Master finish.  All the Expert finishes (including the ones that the two companies use in common) are embossed and the embossing comes in different depths, affecting the feel and glide of the stocks differently.  Stock thicknesses vary from type to type as well.  But within a given type, they tend to be quite consistent, as consistent as is possible with any paper stock, really.

BTW: the "Codename: Iron Stock" featured in the article was eventually released as Robusto Stock - and it's probably the thickest card stock you'll find anywhere.  It makes a pack of Bees look like a pack of Bikes.

very interesting read in that card culture issue, yeah robusto is probably one of my favorite handling decks!but i love thick stocks since my favorite deck is wynns, but my favorite part is for some reason, whether its the actual coating or maybe just the thickness of the cards, but it fans so perfectly like an ohio deck. i need to check out the damask finish decks next, i didnt even know they made them!

i hope one of these days epcc does a smooth finish, CARC was probably the only one making custom decks in ivory finish and theyre great, especially since kentucky aladdins are way worst than ohio aladdins now. if they made a smooth version of their classic finish decks then id be set
 

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very interesting read in that card culture issue, yeah robusto is probably one of my favorite handling decks!but i love thick stocks since my favorite deck is wynns, but my favorite part is for some reason, whether its the actual coating or maybe just the thickness of the cards, but it fans so perfectly like an ohio deck. i need to check out the damask finish decks next, i didnt even know they made them!

i hope one of these days epcc does a smooth finish, CARC was probably the only one making custom decks in ivory finish and theyre great, especially since kentucky aladdins are way worst than ohio aladdins now. if they made a smooth version of their classic finish decks then id be set

Damask is a great stock - I have the Chameleons in Damask stock.  Soft texture to it, though - you might not like it as much as Robustos if you're into heavy stocks.

"Smooth version of classic finish?"  It's like asking for thirst-quenching sand!  The finish is the texture of the surface - smooth is smooth, Classic is a variety of embossed.  Now, if you're talking about a smooth version of Classic stock, THAT'S a different story...  Mention it to Bill Kalush, perhaps he has something in mind.  You can contact him through here, EPCC or CARC.  Don't use Facebook - I answer all requests for information he gets at the Expert FB page, usually just referring people to the business site.
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Yeah thats what i meant lol, a non embossed finish with the classic stock. Yeah i asked om fb but not through email, ill do that now