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All this talk about Erdnase.... remember the 1st Erdnase deck?

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Ok - where did this deck come from? Who inspired it? Is this just a straight up USPCC release? Was it created by a graphic design house or a magic store? I can't find any credit for its inspiration?

Youtube Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43At9SuWoEg

Playing Cards WIki
http://playingcards.wikidot.com/bee:erdnase-eatct

1 eyed Jack review
http://the1eyedjack.blogspot.com/2010/03/erdnase-deck-expert-at-card-table.html

Art of Play
https://www.artofplay.com/products/bee-erdnase-playing-cards

Thanks for any "rumors" or "alternate facts" you can provide
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Re: All this talk about Erdnase.... remember the 1st Erdnase deck?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 08:58:04 AM »
 

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The green deck was the first "Erdnase" deck in modern history.  I think it was jointly made with D&D/CARC, but don't quote me on that.  I'm pretty sure D&D had a hand in the design at the very least.

The other deck is the Erdnase deck created by CARC with USPC as the printer.  They were trying to reproduce a century-old Bee design that's believed to be the possible deck that served as the "artist's model" for the illustrator of the original book, due to a similarity in appearance between the book's sketches and the deck's back design.  They updated it by having USPC make the stock and finish according to strict specifications given to them by Bill Kalush himself, which USPC never replicated in any deck made thereafter, to the best of my knowledge.  It has a really unique feel to it.
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Re: All this talk about Erdnase.... remember the 1st Erdnase deck?
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Don is still alive on this forum! Cheers.

Ok back to the green deck - some other card guys say, a collaboration between D & D and The Apple Magic Store.....

what do you ya think about them apples?

see what I did there?
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Re: All this talk about Erdnase.... remember the 1st Erdnase deck?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2017, 02:21:17 AM »
 

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Don is still alive on this forum! Cheers.

Ok back to the green deck - some other card guys say, a collaboration between D & D and The Apple Magic Store.....

what do you ya think about them apples?

see what I did there?

I'm reasonably sure that the "Expert at the Card Table" deck, versions one and two, were designed by the Buck Twins or at least they had some hand in its creation.  Beyond that, I'm just not certain.  I'm reasonably sure that CARC sold the decks.  While they have sold other's decks before they created Expert PCC, at the time, they mostly sold their own merchandise, meaning decks that Bill Kalush had some hand in and were manufactured under his supervision by USPC.  It is indeed possible that this is not the case, but it seems logical.  You could just ask Mr. Kalush - he's got a presence on this forum and he's an officer in 52 Plus Joker.

But that other deck was called the Bee Erdnase 216 and that was all Bill Kalush.  I even saw the original deck off of which he modeled his new design - he showed it to me one day at the CARC offices.

BTW: I know the Bee Erdnase 216s weren't first, and I'm somewhat sure that even the EATCT deck wasn't first, either.  Kalush produced several Bee decks with USPC - the ENTIRE RUN of them were called "Bee Erdnase 1902," with the number coming from the year that EATCT was published, with the exception of the 216s and the Erdnaseum deck, which was created to commemorate a museum created after the author.  I suspect that the first Bee Erdnase 1902 deck predates the first-version EATCT deck, but Bill would know for sure.
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Re: All this talk about Erdnase.... remember the 1st Erdnase deck?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 10:50:00 AM »
 

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Just as a FYI, I wrote to the Magic Apple and have been waiting for their response.

The Green deck was a joint effort between the Buck Twins (D&D) and The Magic Apple

Their reply:

@MagicOrthodoxy @bucktwins yes it was. We did 2 versions. They are one of the best decks ever released...ask @cheesymagic

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