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Introduce Yourself / Re: Need some expert advice
« Last post by Daniel Wilson on Today at 10:11:20 AM »
For those of us who (like myself) were curious...

The OP opened the box a couple of weeks later.   Inside were 144 unused and uncancelled blue Bee Caesar's branded playing cards, each sealed with a plain white sticker.  AoS date code says they were manufactured in 1973.  He then went back to the eBay seller who he had purchased the case from, asking about more cards.  The seller was representing a retired Caesar's employee who also had about 30 red decks (from a case the retiree had himself opened and given decks out to friends) from the same time period.  OP made a deal to purchase those as well, then sold several sets of the red/blue combinations back on his poker forum at $45 a pop.

All in all, quite a find and quite a story!
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Pike and Clover
« Last post by shimmering on Today at 09:30:28 AM »
More ...
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Pike and Clover
« Last post by shimmering on Today at 09:28:15 AM »
Thanks Paige!

I'll post a couple of pics here as well so people can see what it's all about. Tarot de Marseille style artwork ....
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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« Last post by Don Boyer on Today at 06:17:28 AM »
So here's a beat up mini deck I picked up on a flyer based on the back design.  What I'm trying to determine is if this is an NYCCC Elf deck or some other NYCCC small deck.  Hochman says NYCCC only made one small deck, the Elf deck, but lists is measurements as 1 15/16" x 2 15/16".  This deck measures 1 15/16" x 2 13/16" or 2 3/4".  Anyone out there have an Elf deck like this one, or have a different one that they can measure?  Thanks for the help.

It's not impossible that the cards were either inaccurately cut at the factory or that someone has trimmed them over the years to eliminate foxing, tears, etc.  I know trimming is a common practice used in certain types of ephemera collectibles, particularly those made of paper - comic books and baseball cards come to mind.  It's also possible that cutting inaccuracies might have slipped past "quality control" (or whatever passed for it back then) because it was a deck made for and sold mostly to children, thus they didn't think they'd be too fussy about the quality.  It's especially possible if the company only made a single brand of miniatures - it was likely not a mainstay of the business and they might have not bothered with proper maintenance of the cutting die in an effort to churn them out fast and cheaply.

You guys are an engaging bunch, huh?! 😂😂😂😂

Here’s a free tip... if you want to grow your community - humour the new people who stop by... some of us may have ended up engaging over the longer term... unfortunately, in this case, now we’ll never know... best of luck - hopefully you guys rediscover why you wanted a forum in the first place :).

You'll have to forgive us for not having an answer immediately ready when you responded.  Our membership largely consists of two categories of collectors - the bulk of them on the forum are more interested in and knowledgeable about modern decks than vintage or antique, while a select crew are more up on the older decks.  The select crew I'm referring to are in the minority at the moment, though their numbers are growing.  There's also a little "cross-pollination" taking place, with each group sharing knowledge, taking interest in and learning more about the other.
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Thanks for your feedback Will and Don.  Hopefully others will chip in as well. 

Out of curiosity, which deck do you have Don?  The newer decks seem better quality than the older ones, so they seem to have made some improvements over time. 

But I don't think it is to the point that their decks are high quality enough for cardistry just yet.  I've been able to do faro/weave shuffles without too much difficulty, and the card-stock and printing registration on the decks I have seems very good.  The main weakness as far as I can tell seems to be a finish (embossing/coating) which doesn't produce a smooth and consistent performance on the level of USPCC/LPCC decks.

As for the business end of things, I haven't noticed anything shady; but they are indeed located in Ukraine, and the level of their ability to communicate clearly in English may be a factor.

The deck I have is the HorRoar deck.  It's a recent printing.  If I get a chance in the next few days, I'll take pictures of the pressure ridge I'm referring to so you can see what I'm talking about.
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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« Last post by Chuqii on Yesterday at 11:15:06 AM »
So here's a beat up mini deck I picked up on a flyer based on the back design.  What I'm trying to determine is if this is an NYCCC Elf deck or some other NYCCC small deck.  Hochman says NYCCC only made one small deck, the Elf deck, but lists is measurements as 1 15/16" x 2 15/16".  This deck measures 1 15/16" x 2 13/16" or 2 3/4".  Anyone out there have an Elf deck like this one, or have a different one that they can measure?  Thanks for the help.
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The Conversation Parlor / Bharata Tarot - Major Arcana
« Last post by leangyan on Yesterday at 09:59:53 AM »
Hi All,

Just FYI...Bharata Tarot Major Arcana has been launched as a standalone deck on Kickstarter. Here is the URL:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sunishchabba/bharata-tarot-major-arcana

Please take a look, share & support.

Regards,
Sunish
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