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Gunshy1 · « **on:** November 04, 2011, 04:27:49 PM »

... to make the magic/performance finish into a smooth finish? I would think they could just not put the dimples into the card and just put the finish on making it a smooth finish, or is there WAY more to it then that?

xela · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2011, 07:08:47 PM »

Quote from: Gunshy1 on November 04, 2011, 04:27:49 PM

... to make the magic/performance finish into a smooth finish? I would think they could just not put the dimples into the card and just put the finish on making it a smooth finish, or is there WAY more to it then that?

Way ahead of you...

Gunshy1 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2011, 08:15:06 PM »

Quote from: alex. on November 04, 2011, 07:08:47 PM

Way ahead of you...

good stuff. id love to have a sneak peak of that deck

john · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2011, 08:50:15 PM »

Quote from: alex. on November 04, 2011, 07:08:47 PM

Way ahead of you...

As in it is going to be on the vortex, or it is in the making.

xela · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2011, 09:18:12 PM »

Quote from: JDS1337 on November 04, 2011, 08:50:15 PM

As in it is going to be on the vortex, or it is in the making.

As in it's going to be something I toy with for future decks. The Vortex is Magic Finish with dimpling, that's not changing.

Kanped · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2011, 11:58:49 PM »

Doesn't that BOM deck have something very similar to that?

6insider9 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 05, 2011, 12:27:09 AM »

Quote from: Gunshy1 on November 04, 2011, 04:27:49 PM

... to make the magic/performance finish into a smooth finish? I would think they could just not put the dimples into the card and just put the finish on making it a smooth finish, or is there WAY more to it then that?

Yes its possible, But if you take away the embossing "Air Cushion", the cards will feel cheap and not have the slippery slide. No embossing = more friction = less slide

Curt · « **Reply #7 on:** November 05, 2011, 12:38:33 AM »

Quote from: 6insider9 on November 05, 2011, 12:27:09 AM

Yes its possible, But if you take away the embossing "Air Cushion", the cards will feel cheap and not have the slippery slide. No embossing = more friction = less slide

Unless there is a coating that would produce a lower coefficient of friction than the one currently being used, then it could conceivably create the same amount of friction as the "Air Cushion". I know its probably unlikely, but just trying to think of different ideas.

6insider9 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 05, 2011, 12:45:23 AM »

Quote from: Curt on November 05, 2011, 12:38:33 AM

Unless there is a coating that would produce a lower coefficient of friction than the one currently being used, then it could conceivably create the same amount of friction as the "Air Cushion". I know its probably unlikely, but just trying to think of different ideas.

This would be interesting if it could be done. But would people be able to get over the dramatic feel difference?

xela · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2011, 01:31:49 AM »

I want to experiment with the USPCC smooth finish options because of how amazing smooth finish decks are for cuts.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

Gunshy1 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2011, 05:05:55 AM »

Quote from: alex. on November 05, 2011, 01:31:49 AM

I want to experiment with the USPCC smooth finish options because of how amazing smooth finish decks are for cuts.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

that is exactly why i asked this question. i love the Michel Herp style of cardistry with lots of cuts and very few fans, and sometimes the performance finish can be to slick.

xela · « **Reply #11 on:** November 05, 2011, 03:44:37 PM »

Quote from: Gunshy1 on November 05, 2011, 05:05:55 AM

that is exactly why i asked this question. i love the Michel Herp style of cardistry with lots of cuts and very few fans, and sometimes the performance finish can be to slick.

Any dimpling is definitely too slick, although right now I'm handling the Prototype decks with no finish and only air cushioning and although the fans are slightly clumpy, I've never handled a better deck for cuts.

Gunshy1 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2011, 04:24:16 PM »

who needs thumb or finger fans when you can pressure fan the cards. looks good and is way more fun to do.

sinsandman · « **Reply #13 on:** November 06, 2011, 06:48:22 PM »

Lance is also planning on some huge steps into the future with regards to stock and finish. This is good to read that we are moving forward as opposed to staying with what we know and are comfortable with.

xela · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2011, 07:10:23 PM »

Quote from: Gunshy1 on November 05, 2011, 04:24:16 PM

who needs thumb or finger fans when you can pressure fan the cards. looks good and is way more fun to do.

Try pressure fanning prototype stock and get back to me, darn things are as stiff as steel.

sinsandman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2011, 05:27:03 AM »

You're not kidding there. I have tried handling a proto deck...it didn't go well and I just ended up getting frustrated.

loldudex2 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2011, 02:09:06 PM »

Quote from: sinsandman on November 07, 2011, 05:27:03 AM

You're not kidding there. I have tried handling a proto deck...it didn't go well and I just ended up getting frustrated.

What proto deck have you handled?

Kanped · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2011, 02:13:12 PM »

Quote from: loldudex2 on November 07, 2011, 02:09:06 PM

What proto deck have you handled?

Umm... probably the Vortex proto deck.

loldudex2 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2011, 03:25:45 PM »

Quote from: Kanped on November 07, 2011, 02:13:12 PM

Umm... probably the Vortex proto deck.

I doubt Brandon has the Vortex prototype deck.

Kanped · « **Reply #19 on:** November 07, 2011, 03:33:04 PM »

Quote from: loldudex2 on November 07, 2011, 03:25:45 PM

I doubt Brandon has the Vortex prototype deck.

Oh, i thought you meant Alex :/